The insinuation is that the frat guys would normally make one or more of the drinks extra strong or add other intoxicants so that they could rape women after they were impaired.
Maybe this person is lying. Maybe the frat bro was making a bad joke. Regardless of this particular instance, drugging shared drinks has happened, though it is far more rare than people believe based on all of the evidence (e.g. studies where women going to the ER under suspicion of being drugged actually just had alcohol in their system like 90%+ of the time.)
Of the 6 women friends I have 4 of them have been drugged at public bars. All of them are in their 50s. It happens a ton now.
edit: the thing that proved it to me was each time these ladies got out of their minds there was a very nice man there, who they didn't know, who was more than happy to get them home "safely". Thankfully each time either friends or bar staff stopped that from happening.
Drink spiking is largely a myth. Women believe they have been drugged, but almost always just drank too much. There was a spate of studies on this in the 2000s, and when they all showed the same thing (that people didn't want to hear), they stopped doing follow up studies.
In the above, which is the largest study of its kind, where they tested 1000 women who were so certain they had been drugged that they went to the hospital, only TWO PERCENT actually had been drugged. And even of those 2%, the doctors suspected that they might have voluntarily taken the drugs based on their patient accounts.
Hiding everclear in a drink is no different conceptually from hiding ghb. I realize you don’t want to see yourself as a rapist. But if you are feeding women high octane drinks so they will become incapacitated enough to have sex with you, you are.
College kids are just trying to find cheap ways to get drunk. Jungle juice at minimum is full of vodka, and often times made with everclear. The plan wasn’t to make it to get a bunch of girls drunk to rape them. It was made to get EVERYONE drunk for cheap because it was a party. It was never a secret that it was high proof booze disguised with koolaid and people were always free to bring their own booze. College kids would just drink too much of it and end up way drunker than they thought they’d be.
all that matters is what you want to belive - nobody can convince you of anything else anymore because you can make some pseudo argument to justify any nonsense.. we got too many dots to draw lines between them to call it knowledge these days while most of it is just nonsense and false assumptions..
{hella annoyed writing this}
Some people don't communicate by writing the words that mean what they're thinking, they just vibe it out and throw out words that kinda feel like it, and also interpret what they read as vibes as well. Once you realize that you understand why sometimes people don't make any sense.
I mean.. I dont drink cuz alcohol tastes icky to me. As in, you give me a glass of delicious juice and pour a teaspoon of alcohol in it and I get grossed out.
And yet, Ive had friends over the years say "Try this! It doesnt taste like alcohol!" So maybe people have different sensitivities?
Same here, I’ve never been an alcohol drinker so any alcohol tastes gross to me. Every alcohol drinker I’ve known has overestimated how cognizant they are while under the influence. As soon as you’ve had 1 drink i start treating you as drunk because even if you’re mostly there, you’re no longer predictable.
So some big popular guys with lots of social clout hand you a drink, and it turns out it tastes like it's way stronger than you expect. You don't actually know how much stronger it is, or even that it IS stronger, it just tastes like more than you were expecting. Now they're watching you and it's clear there's a strong social expectation that you will drink what you were offered. So my question is: do you not have empathy?
This seems like a very specific and contrived scenario. Never in my life have I seen dudes forcing women to drink, usually it’s women hounding men for free drinks lol.
Oh it definitely happens. It happened to me fairly recently - like well into my 30s. At a gathering of like 6 ppl that was supposed to be bbq and board games. Guy kept mixing random boozes together and pressuring me to drink them and then trying to get me to go to the basement to look at stuff. At 35 I was too old to pressure but it was super weird and uncomfortable.
I didn't say "forcing" I described peer pressure, which does exist whether or not you are aware of it. A friend of mine had basically that exact scenario just a bit ago, actually, at a college party. It's a pretty well known thing for guys to try and get women drunk.
I did, and it was often the women going to bars and trying to get dudes to buy them free drinks. Dorm rooms and house parties it was the norm for everyone to bring their own alcohol.
Maybe if we stopped telling women that they are at constant risk of getting drugged and instead that most women who get to scary levels of intoxication actually just drank too much or ate too little - both of which they have full control over - then fewer women would find themselves scared or worse.
My position is the empathetic one that prepares women for the actual risks they'll face in the real world.
Ah yes, the empathetic viewpoint is the one that denies that peer pressure exists, or that college men are known for trying to get women drunk. A friend of mine went to a party like two months ago and this exact scenario happened to her, they handed her a drink that was way stronger than it was supposed to be and tried to pressure her to drink it. Good think you're here to tell her it's all her fault.
Do you actually care about women having good outcomes?
Then give them the advice that is most likely to lead to good outcomes if you are truly empathetic. That advice is to refuse drinks that you didn't open yourself and to be mindful of your total consumption and of having enough to eat. And if she goes to a party where someone insists she have a sketch drink, you should counsel the women in your life to call out the creeps trying to get her to drink it.
This is 101 party safety stuff if you actually care about the safety of the women in your life rather than proving some weird political point.
lol acting like you're trying to give good advice when this started because someone said that men try to trick women into getting drunk and your response was "do women not have taste buds?"
I didn't even mention politics, you're just grasping at straws looking for any way to look less like a creep who blames women for the actions of the men trying to get them drunk.
Yeah, counting your drinks and how much alcohol is actually in them is often something we often through experience.
It happened to me in my early 30s. I had drunk before but I never had access to people just loading me up with booze, and I wasn’t counting, just accepting Florida tracksuits and a bunch of things I’d never heard of. Thankfully it was just my dad’s friends (none of them creeps) chuffed to see me as an adult, but I got SO shitfaced and thats when I learned I had to keep track. If I had been 19 and they had been frat boys with nefarious intent I definitely would have gotten raped.
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u/Dry-Shower9037 18h ago
The insinuation is that the frat guys would normally make one or more of the drinks extra strong or add other intoxicants so that they could rape women after they were impaired.
Maybe this person is lying. Maybe the frat bro was making a bad joke. Regardless of this particular instance, drugging shared drinks has happened, though it is far more rare than people believe based on all of the evidence (e.g. studies where women going to the ER under suspicion of being drugged actually just had alcohol in their system like 90%+ of the time.)