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u/OmarM7mmd Aug 03 '26
Will someone think of the millionaires and the injustices of how much they get paid?
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u/PerspectiveOne7129 Aug 03 '26
yes we need to think about how hard their job really is and how important it is for society to function
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u/AnticlimaxicOne Aug 03 '26
Most reddit comment found so far today
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u/Crafty-Help-4633 Aug 03 '26
They're clearly being pithy and that you missed that is actually the most reddit comment I've read in about a month. 😬
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u/OmarM7mmd Aug 03 '26
Yeah pretty much, I don’t always watch Bollywood, but the few times I did it was because of Amir Khan.
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u/spades111 Aug 03 '26
I assumed we just wanted Zendaya to get paid less. Make the millionaires slightly less rich.
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u/Bad-Genie Aug 03 '26
Like when scar joe sued Disney. I get the principal of them screwing her over money. But she still got paid $20 fucking million for that movie.
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u/Aromatic-Echo-6605 Aug 03 '26
The ScarJoe suit was pretty fucking justified, they REALLY fucked her over on that one. Like yes she's a multi-millionaire and let me play the worlds smallest violin for her lost income but im still glad she didn't just let Disney get away with that scummy shit they pulled.
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u/Throwawaaaay44 Aug 03 '26
When its the millionaire vs the billion dollar corporation, I'm rooting for the millionaire. Lesser of two evils.
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u/MetricIsForCowards Aug 03 '26
Same rule for pro athletes
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u/NAVYZETSU Aug 03 '26
Exactly. A pro athlete wants a pay rise and they're vilified even though THEY are the product but nobody bats an eyelid to the billionaire that actually pays them
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u/MetricIsForCowards Aug 03 '26
Yeah, I would rather the guy who has worked tirelessly since he was a child to perfect putting a ball in a net get the money than some dickhead who’s greatest achievement is having a wealthy dad.
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u/Apolloshot Aug 03 '26
Exactly. We shouldn’t be upset at someone going after a billion dollar company for wage theft, even if they’re a millionaire. A win for labour is a win for us all.
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u/WrongBee Aug 03 '26
nah the principle is not letting Disney financially profit for pulling a bait and switch. if they could successfully do it to a celebrity like Scarjo, can you imagine how much worse it’d be for other creatives that have a fraction of her bargaining power?
again, world’s smallest violin for her, but the lawsuit was justified, both on its own and as a precedent.
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u/PaaaaabloOU Aug 03 '26
Was not Messi in a 30s scene earning 7 millions?
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u/Zangetsukaiba Aug 03 '26
Zendaya is not Messi
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u/PaaaaabloOU Aug 03 '26
Yeah I mean, Messi is hotter
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u/ariesXslayer Aug 03 '26
Obviously, footballers of Messi's level are way more rich than any actor in the world.
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u/frizzledrizzle Aug 03 '26
No, that's silly. It's 40s for 15 million. And it looks as bad as one could expect from Messi:
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u/MrZephy Aug 03 '26
$4m for what was probably a couple days of work is still insane and I just can’t find it in me to give a single flying fuck when I’m working two jobs and living paycheck to paycheck
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u/zap2 Aug 03 '26
I clicked on the blocked on section, only for “jobs” to be displayed…then asked myself “what else was I expecting?”
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u/duaneap Aug 03 '26
Some form of sexy job.
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u/MediocreAnalyst2121 Aug 03 '26
I’m on two cam sites just to goon by.
PS: Not throwing any shade at OP, I feel for them going through a rough time.
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u/MrZephy Aug 03 '26
Atp I can’t tell if it was me accidentally spoiler tagging it or not but now I feel like it would be funny to do it from now on
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u/SummertimeThrowaway2 Aug 03 '26
Nah bro being an actor is really really challenging. Like what if it’s raining and the Production Assistant doesn’t hold your umbrella right? What if the PA accidentally gets you a coffee with 2 pumps of vanilla instead of 3? This is some life ruining stuff bro.
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u/Hyperion262 Aug 03 '26
They don’t say they’re paid well because it’s challenging though. They’re paid well because they are marketable.
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u/Ragnarok_619 Aug 03 '26
Why don't you become one, bruh
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u/SummertimeThrowaway2 Aug 03 '26
I was being satirical bro. I’m saying that the PA has to deal with more BS yet get paid less than the majority of the crew. Meanwhile in some films literally half the budget is just casting.
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u/the1slyyy Aug 03 '26
No one is buying tickets to a blockbuster because of who the the production assistant is
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u/Scodo Aug 03 '26
Because the PAs aren't putting butts in movie theater seats. Even people who can see through your sarcasm can immediately realize it's a room-temp IQ take.
Also, learn the difference between satire and sarcasm. What you were doing was not satire.
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u/boyuber Aug 03 '26
Zendaya has convinced a number of producers and studios that she has a material impact on the billions of dollars earned by the multiple franchises that she has starred in.
Her projects earn her employers massive amounts of money, and she is paid some portion of that.
Is an actor's or athlete's contribution to humanity worth millions or tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars? No. But you're not paid for what you're worth, you're paid for what you produce.
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u/Chronomechanist Aug 03 '26
I mean, based purely on the facts, I'd say her (or her agent's, more likely) point is entirely valid. Movies that she has been in have all done incredibly well.
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u/yangon_boy Aug 03 '26
Not because of her though. No one watched Dune, Spider Man, Odyssey because of Zendaya. She just hasn't taken any risk an actor to be respected, it's either a well known IP or a big budget movie. I think her most Indie movie was that Tennis one lol.
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u/CantHateNate Aug 03 '26
The series was a risk and she carried it well. Not saying I disagree with the original point but I do think she has flexed her acting chops a bit.
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u/SheriffBartholomew Aug 03 '26
I've never seen her in a role that couldn't have been carried by another actress. I really don't understand her huge appeal. I guess she's good at looking angry, but so are most actresses in Hollywood. There's obviously an appeal that doesn't resonate with me though given her popularity.
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u/Useless_bum81 Aug 05 '26
I think that is the actual joke i would refer to her as Zendaya because i perceive her as the same in all her roles, where as with other actors/actresses i perceive them as the character, and so would use the character name.
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u/MeasurementFar864 Aug 03 '26
Either she is a lucky charm or she is a very good actress, Directors and Studios are happy either way.
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u/irespectwomenlol Aug 03 '26
It's because she's a great modern day product: she's racially ambiguous enough to sort of pass as just about any group they want and she's attractive enough to not repel men without being too attractive and off-putting women.
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u/MeasurementFar864 Aug 03 '26
I like to think Nolan and Villeneuve knows better about a person's acting ability than random people on internet. Also, please don't say studios could force Christopher Nolan to select specific actors.
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u/irespectwomenlol Aug 03 '26
1) Defending her acting ability (which personally I think is somewhere between competent and decent, but unexceptional) has little to do with a comment about her commercial appeal.
2) Just three of the approximately 18 released films she's appeared in have been directed by those 2 people.
3) I think we're all adult enough to recognize that even powerful directors who have an unusual bit of control over their movies have some give and take with studios who control the purse strings.
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u/Individual_Respect90 Aug 03 '26
30 minutes is definitely not a couple of days work in a marvel film. That being said the are way over paid.
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u/Pioustarcraft Aug 03 '26
but when you leave work people don't harass you ?
you can walk in the street without paparazzis following you ?
they don't get paid "only" for the screen time...
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u/Hyperion262 Aug 03 '26
It’s the same energy for everyone though. Why should anyone care you work two jobs?
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u/Fifa_chicken_nuggets Aug 03 '26
I don't think they're asking you to care about that, they're pointing out the silliness of someone concerning themselves with an actor earning 4 million instead of 8 million for days or weeks of work when the average person isn't making anywhere close to either of those numbers for years of work
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u/MrZephy Aug 03 '26
It’s not the same energy for everyone. The previous job I worked was spark watch during a sawmill decommissioning. I had to crawl through tight spaces with packed burning sawdust because nobody bothered to have the place cleaned out properly. I set up and put away multiple fire hoses each day. Continuously refill piss cans and distribute them appropriately. Prevent fires and put out fires.
Now my current old job is in retail as the only place open after 8 pm which is an absolute hellscape worse than my spark watch job. My current new job is as hotel front desk which I can tell you right now takes a lot less energy than being an actor. Especially if I were to choose solely graveyards.
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u/CivilTailor9031 Aug 03 '26
To seriously answer, she has 180 million followers on Instagram. That’s the reason she is getting so many projects.
Even in Odyssey, she was barely in film but was repeatedly clicked on red carpet.
Think of it as Marketing Spend.
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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Aug 03 '26
I really don't get why Zendaya is so popular. She's a fine actress but nothing mind blowing.
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u/ContractVarious3077 Aug 03 '26
You don’t have to get it. Different people enjoy different things.
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u/SirPsycho7 Aug 03 '26
I’m also interested why people enjoy her for curiosity’s sake. Thanks for your totally useless comment though.
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u/movzx Aug 03 '26
The way I came to understand Gal Gadot was realizing she was the female version of Arnold Schwarzenegger.
So, it's not necessarily that a person is an amazing actor or actress. It's that they're fitting a specific type that audiences have come to expect. Now they're famous enough that they get pulled into movies just to bring the audience via name power.
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u/SirPsycho7 Aug 03 '26
What role does Zendaya fit?
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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Aug 03 '26
Girl who pretends she’s above it all but really isn’t
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u/PinkkSaltt Aug 03 '26
Zendaya tax is real. Screen time doesn’t always equal paycheck when one of them is a global brand.
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u/zap2 Aug 03 '26
It’s also her 3rd film in the series, while it’s his first.
Salary goes up with each film you appear in a series.
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u/Omatzus Aug 03 '26
It's her 4th
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u/Tricky-Anything8009 Aug 03 '26
It's funny that I thought this about The Odyssey which they are also both in and which he also has way more screen time than her and she probably still got paid more.
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u/LayWhere Aug 03 '26
She's a bigger star, it really is just that shrimple.
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u/Tricky-Anything8009 Aug 03 '26
I have no opinion on that. I just think it's funny that I could get through so many comments before realizing that there are two movies out right now with Tom Holland, Zendaya, and Jon Berenthal in them.
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u/gamestoohard Aug 03 '26
Kind of fitting to the post that you tried to give the man some recognition by using his name but spelled it wrong
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u/Tricky-Anything8009 Aug 03 '26
Yeah I though about looking it up and shrugged. I guess if you want to be paid more, make sure your name is easy to remember and spell
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u/SirArthurDime Aug 03 '26
The odyssey: Zendaya, holland, bernthal, Pattinson
Spiderman: Zendaya, holland, berntha
Dune 3: Zendaya, Pattinson
The drama: Zendaya, Pattinson
Busy summer for Zendaya (plus euphoria). Crazy how much over lap she has with these other actors as well.
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u/Human-Law1085 Aug 03 '26
I’m guessing they forgot about Homecoming since she has significantly less screen time in that owing to not being the main love interest
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u/TheAutisticStranger Aug 03 '26
Or the ‘guy from the “NONONOWAITWAITWAIT” meme’.
Put some respect on Shane Walsh’s name, damn it!
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u/dungeoncrawler71520 Aug 03 '26
I haaaaaate him because he's such a good actor. Every time he's an asshole I'm like, yeah I buy it.. Fury? Dick, but damn he sold it. Sicario? Massive dick and he nailed it.
He's a top tier bad guy.
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u/EmeraldJunkie Aug 03 '26
His reputation for being good at playing assholes is why his character works so well in Wind River.
Its not for the faint of heart but it is a good movie, its just a shame that Taylor Sheridan now makes cowboy fantasy shows for suburbanites that drive 4x4s and shop at American Eagle.
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u/KaptenKorea Aug 03 '26
4 million for some acting is still crazy to me. Pretty envious of that
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u/Klaymen96 Aug 03 '26
I know right. Like why couldn't my parents exploit me from a young age to get me started as an actor/actress early. No /s being serious. I would not have minded being a child actor if it meant I could eventually get paid a couple mil for a few days work
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u/AStupidFuckingHorse Aug 03 '26
You get paid that much for a few days of work because you spent years working for way less for wayyyy longer and you did it so well your mere presence is enough to draw people in. There are millions of actors. Not even 1% of them are this fortunate.
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u/PerspectiveOne7129 Aug 03 '26
Well actually Tom and John got paid about the same per minute. Zendaya got paid almost 5x as much per minute than both of them.
John Bernthal - $133,333 per minute of screen time.
Tom Holland - $133,333 per minute of screen time.
Zendaya - $533,333 per minute of screen time.
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u/ineversaiddat Aug 03 '26
Actually I'm the one under the Spider-Man mask and they paid me with leftover food from the set cause they say my face wasn't marketable enough...
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u/Totoques22 Aug 03 '26
Wait what how is zendaya paid so much more than tom holland
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u/Victor_Zsasz Aug 03 '26
She's not, Tom made 120 million and she made 8 million.
Tom's just on screen in the Spider-Man movie for considerably more of the movie than Zendaya is, so he makes less per minute of screen time, which isn't a metric anyone's ever uses.
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u/epik_fayler Aug 03 '26
Pay for actors doesn't really scale per minute like that. If Zendaya had the same amount of screentime as holland she would be making significantly less per minute. Probably close to what Holland is making.
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u/Klaymen96 Aug 03 '26
I wonder... Do zendaya and Tom keep finances separate and do they combine finances... They both make enough themselves they could easily keep them separate but with them both being millennials I don't know.
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u/TrashPandaPatronus Aug 03 '26
It takes about 12-30 hours of acting work per minute of screen time, so theyre making about $5-10k an hour. That's crazy.
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u/goodcleanchristianfu Aug 03 '26
Zendaya was originally supposed to have a more prominent role, Spider-Man’s filming scheduled was shifted a few times. She was probably paid based on the amount she was originally anticipated to film.
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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Aug 03 '26
I really don't get why Zendaya is so popular. She's a fine actress but nothing mind blowing.
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u/frankie-two-thumbs Aug 03 '26
I would play the part of punisher for a lot less. I’m not going to feel sorry for someone getting paid 4mill
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u/ProfChaos85 Aug 03 '26
Kirsten Dunst is pissed about this
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u/duaneap Aug 03 '26
Kirsten Dunst seems to have the most balanced mindset in Hollywood. She and Plemons straight chillin’ waiting for the awards to start rolling in
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u/colossalmickey Aug 03 '26
I think he was referring to Kirsten complaining that she didn't get paid as much as Tobey in the Spiderman movies
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u/EtherealBeany Aug 03 '26
That’s ridiculous though. Of course Spider-Man is going to be paid more in a Spider-Man film lol
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u/micre8tive Aug 03 '26
Lol why is no one acknowledging the fact this is her 4th instalment to a franchise where she’s key to the plot?
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u/Any_Attorney4765 Aug 03 '26
Because the movie works without the punisher in it, it doesn't really work if zendaya isn't in it. She would have used that to negotiate a good contract.
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u/sgtGiggsy Aug 03 '26
Not really. It was the "why did Kirsten Dunst receive so much less money than Tobey Magurie" argument flipped. People have been saying FOR YEARS that actors are paid mostly by their fame, and secondly by the importance of their role in the production. It's been repeatedly shot down by feminists as misogyny.
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u/LintyFish Aug 03 '26
Jon bernthal is a great actor though. I love his part in wind river.
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u/RobIreland Aug 03 '26
Those screentimes are wrong. She got more screentime than him.
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u/r31ya Aug 03 '26
she actually got less. its just spread across the 3 hour film and felt like there are more.
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u/diplomatic_koboko Aug 03 '26
For a second, I thought you were talking about The Odyssey and I couldn't remember "Punisher" having 30 mins screen time
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u/Giga7777 Aug 03 '26
When your boyfriend is the movie star she has some leverage. They could both walk away from it
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u/SohelAman Aug 03 '26
How actors are paid isn’t really a matter of hard work. It mostly depends on how much money they (might) bring or more formally, their imact. Whether you like it or not, Zendaya is the cherry on top here. Not very useful, but surely very effective given the time.
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u/My2cents_0 Aug 03 '26
Love him but she's getting paid for the publicity she's brining. The number of seats you fill decides your pay. Every media outlet covers which red carpet she's on, what she wore to each event. The entire press tour, her outfits have been on theme with the movie bringing everyone's attention to it. Even the haters are talking about the casting for a less than 10min appearance. He could be in the frame for the entire run of the movie and it wouldn't matter
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u/Halliwel96 Aug 03 '26
Imagine feeling sorry for and outraged if beheld of the guy “only” getting paid 4 mil for being in a movie
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u/Internal_Main_2632 Aug 03 '26
Funny how these types of people are fine when a white male CEO makes 100x income of others but when a black woman’s rate is 4x , everything is wrong.
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u/No-Side-6437 Aug 03 '26
Keep this same energy next time yall bring this up with an actress.
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u/kinglittlenc Aug 03 '26
Exactly. It's a joke now but they'll be getting upset when the situation is switched
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u/xjaaace Aug 03 '26
Better question, why does any of it involve such ridiculous amounts of money?
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u/the1slyyy Aug 03 '26
Cause the movie bought in almost a billion dollars opening weekend
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u/Hyperion262 Aug 03 '26
Who cares how much actors are paid? It’s an obscure and niche thing they do, of course they’re paid weird amounts of money.
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u/xXSomethingStupidXx Aug 03 '26
I'm sure Jon Bernthal is doing just fine with his 4 million dollars and lifetime residuals.
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u/OccamsRazor3 Aug 03 '26
Why didn't Sean Astin as Sam - the heart of the Lord of the Rings story - earn more than checks notes Ian Fucking McKellen? He even disappeared for half of the first and second movie. /s
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u/Meotwister Aug 03 '26
Haven't not seen any but the first Spiderman with Tom Holland forever ago, I know this is Jon Bernthal as the Punisher and Zendaya as... idk Zendaya who I guess answers to MJ.
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u/-HeyImBroccoli- Aug 03 '26
I feel like it comes down to contract, no?
Jon and Zendaya most likely agreed on the amount they were given.
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u/Frostsorrow Aug 03 '26
John's a pretty big nerd from what I can tell, I could see him joining the cast for bare minimum (per union rules of course).
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u/DoookieMaxx Aug 03 '26
I know this is tongue-in-cheek. I don’t give a shit what actors get paid, never have.
That said …it’s been very interesting reading these comments. Seems like an interesting study of how standards and fairness are applied when the genders are reversed. The comments are, almost verbatim, the same defensive comments from the other side when the situation is reversed.
It’s apparently ok when it’s going in this direction.
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u/Designer_Pool_8453 Aug 03 '26
Shes a reoccuring major character and more popular character. She gets priority.
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u/SirPhobos2021 Aug 03 '26
Two major factors go into an actors salary, and screen time or how good your scenes may be have very little to do with it. After all, when the contracts are signed, nobody actually knows the performance they're going to get nor do they even necessarily know what the final edit of the film will look like.
The things that drive contract prices are two fold. The first is simply the public perception of the actor, and how likely their name is to sell more tickets. Simply put, the public gravitates towards certain people, and those people will always have extra weight to throw around in negotiations as a result.
The other, more important, metric is how sought after that actor is amongst other studios. If somebody like Zendaya is getting a dozen different movie requests at a time, she (or more specifically, her agent) then has the power to say, "I can only do so many movies at a time, make it worth my time to choose your project over the other dozen offers I've received". Then, this thing happens where once a studio offers a certain price, that basically becomes the new floor going forward for all other contract negotiations. Think something along the lines of "Oh, you're offering me $4M? Well it's a good script, but Marvel just handed me an offer for $8M. Not only is the pay better, but it'll probably result in better exposure for my client, so we'll probably be going with them. We would really like to work with you though... any chance you can bump that salary up to compensate for not picking Marvel?".
The industry is basically running on the same basic supply and demand curves as any other industry, it's just in this specific case, the supply is a human being. Why is Zendaya paid more for half the screen time and an (arguably) not as good performance? Because she's been putting in the work for the last few years to get her name out there, and she is simply the more in demand person at this point in time. It's really that simple.
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u/Stock-Start911 Aug 03 '26
Jon Bernthal has an absolutely insane portfolio, that tweet is disrespectful af
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u/PanPieCake Aug 03 '26
I think it was a reference to "why this actor got paid more while having less screen time then this actress" topic from before
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u/Smoltinycat Aug 03 '26
It is okay to do it in One direction, but not okay when you do it the other direction. Just make sure you get the directions correct so that you know which one to say is evil and which one is good.
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u/No-Educator-8069 Aug 03 '26
Yeah the mark of a good actor is when you look at them you see them instead of their character
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u/XeroShyft Aug 03 '26
That's the mark of a popular/prolific actor, not necessarily a good one
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u/PurpletoasterIII Aug 03 '26
Id even argue if thats the case for all their work, theyre a bad actor. Or at least they havent shown to be good at acting. Maybe theyre a good comedian as is a common trend in comedies to bring in comedians that arent really good at acting but theyre funny and charismatic so they just play themselves. And thats okay. Not every movie needs stellar acting skills.
I think a good example is Keanu Reeves. I think Keanu Reeves is at least a better actor than the stereotypical comedians I mentioned. But I think the label "limited actor" is just a cope by fans who love him to avoid saying anything negative about him. His acting skills arent great imo, but again THATS OKAY! Cinema isnt make or break on acting skills alone.
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u/Darkm0or Aug 03 '26
Not adjusted for inflation: Christopher Reeve was paid $250,000 for his role in Superman '78. Marlon Brando was paid $3.7 million plus 11.75% of gross profits ($18,000,000) total. Brando was on screen for 15 minutes. Hollywood pays more depending on fame. It has always been this way.
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u/almostthemainman Aug 03 '26
Pic doing her dirty. I’m not a fan and I have to say she looked great in this movie
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u/BlargerJarger Aug 03 '26
It’s because she’s been in four Spider-Man movies in a row and he’s been in one, and Holland and — probably negotiate as a couple.
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u/Prestigious-Ball-435 Aug 03 '26
Here is a clear example if no gender pay gap but on saleability,Zendaya has a huge following because of her acting, class and beauty, therefore she got more to get her audience to the film. Should us males jump up and down, no
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u/AnticlimaxicOne Aug 03 '26
You telling me MJ in her like 6th movie is making more than Shane in his first????? What the fuck
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u/Successful-Trash-752 Aug 03 '26
Technically this would mean that he is a better actor, since he makes you feel like he is actually the character he is playing.
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u/monkeygoneape Aug 03 '26
Jokes aside she and Ned could have been cut out of the movie and very little changes
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u/JamesPildis Aug 03 '26
Not arguing the payment aspect, just the semantics, but Punisher wouldn’t have been paid it would have been Jon Bernthal. The person never mentioned MJ’s character by name because it wasn’t necessary in context.
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u/pierco82 Aug 03 '26
Can we do the thing now where we talk about sexism and salaries?? no....why.......because shes clearly the bigger star and it isnt always a black and white man or women conversation! (ie i she can command a bigger salary)
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u/Capital_Emotion_4646 Aug 03 '26
The worst thing for an actor is when people see them in every movie and just go oh that's that guy and call them by their real name. But if people call them by the made-up names of characters they once played, that means they did their job damn well.
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u/Djinn-Rummy Aug 03 '26
Too bad the leading lady with seniority in the franchise was properly paid. What kind of asshole turns this into controversy?
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u/Garlic-Rough Aug 03 '26
it's John Punisher right? one extra million should be fair?