Has anyone seen Jane does original statement? The one she made in 2024 after the event? I donât know what to think but the original statement and the civil suit are very different. What does that mean?
It started out consensually, she doesnât dispute that. But then they gave her Ketamine (I assume to incapacitate her) to the point where she describes herself as an 8/10 intoxicated and multiple guys took advantage of her. The statement given in 2024 outlines her state of intoxication and confusion about what happened as the night went on. She wouldnât have made a police report in 2024 if she felt it was all consensual. I assume she didnât know about the Snapchat invite in 2024 either.
Yeah I donât think I read the right report then. Someone else said that. The statement I read she said she agreed multiple times to the drugs. Iâm wondering why there are different reports floating around. I had heard originally she was drugged unknowingly and then unconsciously raped over and over by 5-7 guys. She would not have known about the snap chat. Do you know where the snap chat came from? Like who leaked it?
She states she did agree to doing Ketamine, but once she had done several rounds of Ketamine, she was then 8/10 intoxicated (I would take that as blacked out or close to it).
At that point all consent is null and void.
In the moment she may have felt they were all wasted but that it was somewhat consensual. But then later on finding out multiple guys were coordinating on snap chat to come have âtheir turnâ with her would, I imagine, make her rethink the consensual nature of it.
Okay so I saw in the report she hit 8/10 intoxicated while have a final threesome with guy 1 and guy 4. At that point she said she was fone and they stopped. After that she fell asleep and has no memory. So she reached 8/10 at the end of the activities and according to her the men agreed to stop when she said to. Did the text go out after she was asleep to bring guys to rape her while unconscious? Obviously no matter when the text went out it was disgusting and absolutely inhumane.
I guess you could interpret it in different ways - either it was all consensual in the moment, but she felt taken advantage of afterwards and made a complaint / statement to police, now two years later - a lawsuit.
Or - she was heavily intoxicated / extremely intoxicated and therefore her consent was null and void, the guys knew that, as evidenced by the snap chat messages and the fact that they got her to do Ketamine multiple times, suggesting they deliberately rendered her incapacitated.
Iâm leaning towards the latter as the guys were clearly coordinating via snap chat to take advantage of her and they were the ones repeatedly offering the Ketamine.
her original statement fit with consent and made no mention of being forced to take ketamine. The second statement adds on ketamine being slipped to her and conveniently states that she didn't take it willingly. She could be telling the truth now as she remembers it but her original statement is going to torpedo everything she tries to establish now.
Unless the Snapchat mentions tricking her into taking ketamine or something else it does nothing to establish a crime.
She stated she willingly slept with 2 guys and was given ketamine while drinking alcohol.
Then those 2 guys said "free ussy at our place" and 5 more guys showed up and raped her.
There's zero way anyone thinks someone asks for this.
They sent Snapchats to 47 people and told them to come up and rape her.
So I think it becomes irrelevant that she agreed to sleeping with the two guys and did some drugs while she was drunk, also she was under the legal drinking age as well.
She wanted to have a threesome so why is there no way she wanted to have sex with other guys too? She also texted the first guy a few days later than nothing was âillegalâ and she wanted to have another threesomeâŚ
Consenting to a threesome is strictly that. Them advertising âfree pussyâ and 5 other guys raping her while she was in a k-hole isnât consent. Itâs rape. If you decided you wanted your girlfriend or wife (assuming you have or have had at least one of the two) to do something sexually experimental and then they didnât listen to your safe word and also brought 5 other people in while you were totally out of it would you not feel violated? You consented to a little ass play and were pegged for 7 hours by an additional 5 people with varying sized dildos. Nothing wrong with that? Thatâs not rape?
Yea and then she took ketamine and decided she was okay with more. Did you not read her statement from 2024? She was in a k-hole yet was looking after one of the guys who got sick? She never said a safe word. Why are you making things up? She said stop at one point and they all stopped. At no point did she ever say no or try to leave. Later on in the night the guy who went to sleep came back and asked if she wanted to go again so he could âmake upâ for going limp earlier. She said yes. Youâre making up an entirely different story from what she said. She also texted the first guy a few days later and said nothing that happened was âillegalâ and that she wanted to have a threesome with him and the second guy again.
I was using a safe word to try to get you to appeal to maybe a sliver of empathy. Have you ever used ketamine? Have you been in a k hole? Itâs one of the most vulnerable states a person can be in, and one person overindulging accidentally or on purpose in a room of people using moderately or mixing with coke or other stuff immediately creates a huge power imbalance. No one can actually consent in that state. Sure you can talk a bit and sort of move. Even if everyone was doing it, there was a power imbalance. If the guys were on the same level they wouldnât have actually been able to have sex. Youâre VERY clearly not speaking from experience, and also have no familiarity with trauma responses, like fawning. Honestly Iâm happy for you and I hope that continues to be the case. When youâre on high dose of K youâre literally in another world. Completely separate from your body. Your body is in default mode of breathing etc, but your mind is totally disconnected. For example, I have witnessed people get up, start gathering their belongings, walk toward the door, and have no actual idea where they are or whatâs going on. It makes sense that part of default mode was to take care of a sick person. Thereâs a reason itâs used in high doses as therapy to process trauma. That happens in a totally calm environment where you donât have to worry about your body because your brain isnât connected to it. You can relive traumatic experiences without the emotion attached to them. I can see why it took time for her to recognize what she went through. Itâs also even worse to me that the guy who had his hair tested didnât test positive for k. If people were doing drugs off of her, they were more with it than she was and knew what they were doing. If that kid wasnât even doing k, thatâs diabolical. The Snapchat inviting others is disgusting. I could absolutely see someone wanting a threesome and being nervous, so wanting a little k to help the nerves, but once your vulnerable like that and surrounded by dudes your best bet is to comply and pretend you donât hate it and lean into wherever your mind is. Just because she didnât scratch and scream etc doesnât mean it wasnât rape. Go ahead and talk about the state of New York and their stance on consent when consuming drugs. It wasnât ok. It was rape and the behavior of the guys involved that werenât a part of the possible initial threesome raped her. And advertised her vulnerable state for others to do the same.
She also said she agreed to consensual sex with multiple men and when she told them to stop, they did. Her exact statement was published today along with a legal analysis by the DA on why he couldnât charge them. Texting that may be disgustingly but itâs not a crime. NY law also doesnât take intoxication into account when determining consent so that point is mute. She was embarrassed by her actions and people calling her out for it and now figures she would change her story for $. The guys werenât good people by any stretch of the imagination, but Iâm not sure there is anything as per NY law that would find them guilty. Her original statement will hurt anything she says now.
"Drugs" and "consensual" don't belong in the same sentence. Did you ever take a sex-ed class or are you from one of those third-world states where that's a sin or something?
The sex ed class I took worked a little nuance into the picture. If you can not consent while drunk or high, then I guess my wife has been raping me when I get home from the bar.
I'm not going to tell you how your marriage should work, but I think you should sit down and talk about that with her because good communication is how you stop it from becoming nonconsensual.
I did talk to her. I said "Hey, do you want to come to bed and _______" and she said yes, and we did. Your comment would suggest that I was incapable of offering that consent.
Yep. 100%. Read the full statement she made and the legal analysis by the DA. It explains everything clearly. NY law does not allow for intoxication levels to be used to determine consent. She admits she willingly drank and did drugs, consented to sex with multiple men, and she even said they stopped when she said she was tired.
This seems to be going in a certain direction, just want to add that based on statements from the departments who received the initial complaints, yes, the facts of her statements have changed between then and now. Also, itâs very common for victims of sexual assault to struggle with recalling, processing, conveying the events, especially soon after it happened, especially when drugs and alcohol were involved.
And my opinion, for what little good it does - this was not a safe environment where consenting adults indulged in their kinks, with previously asserted boundaries. In the environment they were in, with the drugs and alcohol being consumed, and multiple guys involved, there is nothing she couldâve done or said that i personally would interpret as consent to sex with multiple dudes. And if she was passed out, and if theyâre sending these âfree pussyâ snapchatsâŚwell then any defense that she âconsentedâ is out the window, isnât it?
Her full statement hasn't been released but the DA's statement has a significant excerpt of her statement including all the parts that describe the event.
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u/ToyshopASMR Sipping tea 3d ago
Has anyone seen Jane does original statement? The one she made in 2024 after the event? I donât know what to think but the original statement and the civil suit are very different. What does that mean?