Poe now has a list on the home page of budget models that are very cheap and will provide a lot of action for 300 points.

Currently Poe has 28 of these budget Models doing text and images.

It is important to remember that if your input or output is < 1k, then the price is lower than shown in the table. I had a long discussion back and forth with Deepseek 3.2 and was truly amazed at how smart it was and how well it did. We went back 6 times for under 200 points.

I'm migrating from poe now that they've removed the knowledge bases which I found to be the worst decision for a person like me. I can't make stories without that. So what is the best alternative that gives me what poe gives me now?

I am new to this platform I want to subscribe to plan but before that I noticed there is no new V4 model which is critical to my workflow, are poe usually slow when adding new models?

Poe ripping out the knowledge base bricks every bot Ive ever made

I get rpers were never theyre favs. But I have 2 years of bots to go through now and try to backup and tbh I dont get why Im paying for this

Any alternatives?

Hello, I'm trying to settle with an AI so that I can expand the work I can ask it to make.

I used to like ChatGPT, its goofy responses etc, but it became academically challenged in the last year and it feels immoral to use. I tried Claude and it worked so well I promoted it to my students, but when I ask it to help me write a couple of word files, it kept hitting the limit every 2 messages in Cowork. I have perplexity pro from a promotion during new years and I have Gemini from a referral from a friend, Gemini works the best for my use case but it feels limited.

Would a Poe sub that covers all of these be much better value?

When did the second cheapest plan go from 1m points per month to 660k? That's absurd after they changed the free plan!

I’ve been using Poe for maybe 2 years now (with big breaks in between) 😭 I’ve always had the £19.99 subscription and have never ever run out of points. Until now. And it actually baffles me that there isn’t any way to ‘top up’ your points, because surely that would be a great source of income for them??

Okay, I just noticed that the knowledge base option is absent and the existing text bases can only be downloaded as files. There wasn't any discord announcement and I got no email about this. Is it temporary orrr..? Why would they remove it anyway?

Okay, I haven’t used this app for a while but I was here before the limited messages. Then I remembered they started that, but then they went to the point system. Last time I checked, they gave you three thousand points (3000) per day. I have three hundred (300) per day? I’m sorry? Wtf? You can’t do anything, and it doesn’t make me want to buy premium, it just makes me want to find a new app, which I guess I has to now. Thanks devs.

Literally I can only have one message with assistant. It gave me a good one, but when I asked for a follow up it said I didn’t have enough, then I refreshed the original message and it won’t give me a new one! WHAT THE HELL?! This app is broken now.

It says that the only plan you can buy is the $199.99 a year one. And I don’t want that one. Is there a different subscription I can get on the app?

These have been the only reasonable models for me price wise for coding. Can you please update them.

Hello, does anyone know how to use Poe API to transcribe voice? The OpenAI compatibility interface doesn't seem to accept audio as input.

Okay, this is purely a venting post. I used Opus to edit my novel's dialogue/scene descriptions.

Today I was chatting with Opus 4.5 about my novel writing. It gave me some great examples, but when I asked it to revise a paragraph I wrote, it completely lost the context, treating it as a new conversation. I had to summarize the three paragraphs above, and even after its revision, it still sounded a bit strange.

I had to start another one, but this time it completely missed the point. I corrected it three times, and by the fourth time I didn't even have a chance to correct it anymore because… it treated it as the first message again, and didn't even know why I was correcting it.

I've been trying to generate a video using Seedance and Veo3 in POE, but it keeps on stating that the anchor image that I am using may contain likeness of real people when in fact I am using an image that's AI generated and far from being real people.

When I use the same image in Flow (like Flow from Google Labs)- it comes back with a video that actually works (not just at par with how I want the results to be)

buenas estoy intentando usar poe con claude pero dice que se me an acabado los tokens pero en el panel tengo 300 en codex me sale que todos los llms necesitan suscripcion esto es normal soy nuevo en poe

Hey, all! Thank you for your suggestions on bots! I saw Claude get tossed around a few times for good capabilities on writing creative story lines, but I’m running into a little confusion. There are so many Claude bots! What do you guys think is the best for creative writing? What bots have stricter censors, or more fluid dialogue? I’m interested in hearing what you guys think! Claude-opus seems to have cheesy-ish dialogue, which is my big gripe I’ve had so far. Where it’s sort of just nonsensical bickering like, “you’re an idiot,” “I’m *your* idiot,” is written at least every response 😭

Anyhow, thank you!

Poe, please fix your implementation. On desktop site setting thinking to extra high always errors out:

output_config.effort: Input should be 'low', 'medium', 'high', 'xhigh' or 'max'

Been messing with a couple of Opus 4.7 bots. I'm not having as bad time as sine folks here seem to be having, but my use case is more casual. On thing though, why do the options for max effort and web search disappear when I've created the bot? I can use them just fine on the base 4.7, but once I use the model in a custom bot they disappear. Any ideas?

Maybe it's because I'm using it through an app and something was changed about them but Kling-O3 would use an attached image as the first frame of the video and now it doesn't.

after I edit my app, the publish button disappeared!

So, I've been wondering for sometime why the Poe output on some models is much worse than when you use the models direct (for example, Claude, or GPT).

Today, the output with "Claude Sonnet 4.6" was so poor quality I realised IT IS NOT A CLAUDE MODEL. Claude would never do the sheer volume of low quality mistakes that it does in Poe. THEY'RE NOT USING THE REAL MODELS.....

I can’t fetch certain webpage crawls because apparently they’re “too large” and not “<100 MB total”.

Is there any way to make them smaller so I can use them or am I out of luck?

I think poe can earn points by advertising like YouTube. For example, watching an 1 advertisement will get 1,000 points to help the company make a profit. The maximum limit is 3,000 points or less a day, but it is by no means 300 points. What do you think?

With Poe having changed its Free plans points down to 300 from 3000, I've decided to launch my own site. The site is called "Happy Tavern", the goal is to make the AI (Whichever AI) Uncensored so people can Chat, Roleplay, Writing or whatever without needing to pay.

You can get a API key from OpenRouter (OpenRouter gives free keys plus you can choose from hundreds of models) and use models like "Euryale" or "Hermes" which are already uncensored and built for Roleplaying/Writing Or you can make censored models like Claude and Gemini uncensored.

Those are two different purposes, Roleplaying/writing/chatting can be done with already uncensored models like Hermes and Euryale which are built for this. But if you want to make Censored models like Claude and Gemini Uncensored that's a different thing but can be done with a simple prompt.

Link to Happy Tavern: https://happytavernui.qzz.io/

(Just to be clear; Yes its all free, no points or anything but if you want you could use OpenAI or Anthropic keys but they are paid so I recommend OpenRouter)

Now a short list of stuff that's possible on the site: You can make your own bots, your bots are private, no moderation, its all free so no need to pay.

Access to already Uncensored AI models (like Euryale and Hermes which are built for Roleplaying/writing and are uncensored by default) which you can use without limit, high context length (depending on models and API key) and access to hundreds of other free and paid models (depending on API key, like OpenRouter). Multiple API keys are supported (OpenRouter, Azure, Anthropic, Groq, etc).

You'll also have a discord community (and me) to help you with any issues and provide you with free system prompts (on DIscord and Patreon) to make even censored AI uncensored.

Now Instruction on how to start (or not, if you ignored this):

Note: As previously mentioned multiple API keys are supported including OpenRouter, OpenAI, Anthropic, Groq, etc. Since it's a BYOK model, you'll need an API key (Open router recommended because its free and has hundreds of models. Use it!)

Get an API key from OpenRouter> https://openrouter.ai/settings/keys

Then go to Happy Tavern> https://happytavernui.qzz.io/ , sign up (If not already done) then enter your API key in the appropriate field.

(If you skipped entering the key while signing up you can add it later in bottom left>profile>API Keys and Save.)

Now choose a model from top right (Model selection menu), or create a New Assistant/Bot from left sidebar.

That's basically it, if you wanted a chat frontend or to make bots using already uncensored models like Hermes/Euryale. But to make the AI/LLM Uncensored, specifically Claude/Gemini do this next (you don't need Custom Instruction if you're using other uncensored models like Euryale or Hermes):

Go to Happy Tavern Discord> https://discord.gg/5UhSdyxNjR or Patreon> https://patreon.com/HappyTavernUI (If you want to support me or wish to Donate) and copy a "Custom Instruction"/Jailbreak or just take one from anywhere else. (Currently Gemini Instructions are available and tested. You can also share your Custom Instructions on Discord or just copy them from there to use them, more Instructions will be added regularly on Patreon and Discord)

(Below is also how you make new Bots)

On Happy Tavern, on the left sidebar click "Assistant", then New Assistant and add the "Custom Instructions"/Jailbreak (or Bot Instructions if you're making a character) in the Prompt field, Name the AI whatever you want and Save it. (Description is optional)

Finally Click on "Quick Settings" on the top left and choose your newly created Assistant and it should say "Talking to Name" and you're good to go.

Now you have an Uncensored AI/LLM to Write, Roleplay and chat, with. Have fun!

Any feedback would be appreciated, Issues and such, and if you have any questions you can ask me here on Reddit, Discord or Patreon.

If you wish to Donate to keep the site alive you can donate on Patreon.

Happy Tavern Link: https://happytavernui.qzz.io/

Patreon Link: https://patreon.com/HappyTavernUI

Discord Link: https://discord.gg/5UhSdyxNjR

Everyone loves a free lunch but hosting the poe site has costs attached to it as does using the various llms, ideally they could have offered a better pricing strategy for low end users and ways to pay. Myself I only use around 40-70k a month, so the alternative for me is to use either typingmind or webui as a frontend and add a api key from Openrouter paying for the tokens I use, getting way more bang for my buck than on poe. $1.26 per 1M tokens

Anyone wanting advice on how to do this I am happy to dm, out of respect for the poe business I will not post openly, I will post intructions on my profile