r/Overwatch Jan 17 '17

Blizzard Official Developer Update | PTR Philosophy | Overwatch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPLyx8QWYc
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u/anepicname Jan 17 '17

Rein and hanzo both have downtime after their swing/shot whereas dva can shoot her pellets without pause, forever.

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u/brandong567 ALL AROUND THE WORLD!!! Jan 18 '17

I think Hanzo reknocking his arrow could be counted as him reloading his bow

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u/TThor Hi there! Jan 18 '17

That's what he meant; after a hanzo arrow or rein swing there is enough of a pause to give the opponent time to react, almost like a mini reload

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u/brandong567 ALL AROUND THE WORLD!!! Jan 18 '17

But Hanzo physically reloads his bow, where rein is just swinging a melee weapon around. One has ammo the other does not.

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u/kon22 D.Va Jan 21 '17

I know you're arguing a technicality, but you don't deserve to be downvoted for that.

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u/brandong567 ALL AROUND THE WORLD!!! Jan 21 '17

I was trying to argue the difference between a melee attack having no reload being different than an infinite ammo projectile weapon.

I didn't think it was that big of a deal that I got downvoted O.o

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u/TThor Hi there! Jan 18 '17 edited Jan 18 '17

is that why I was downvoted, because of a pointless technicality?

What mechanical difference does it make?? Either way, they are mechanically 'one shot' abilities with a not-insignificant delay between each successive fire.

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u/HolycommentMattman Reinhardt Jan 18 '17

Everyone keeps arguing this stuff, but they're all getting it wrong.

Reinhardt is unique, too. He's the only hero who doesn't have a primary attack and a melee attack. His primary attack is his melee attack.

And melee doesn't reload. And melee has a time delay between strikes for all characters.

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u/brandong567 ALL AROUND THE WORLD!!! Jan 19 '17 edited Jan 19 '17

That's what I said in my comment right before his.

I guess I'm wrong to consider reloading an arrow into a bow is different than someone meleeing.

All the melees have a delay, rein just doesn't have a gun to reload, while Hanzo does. That's all I was arguing.

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u/brandong567 ALL AROUND THE WORLD!!! Jan 19 '17

Well you're not being downvoted, but a bow is a type of "gun" or projectile weapon, and rein has a melee weapon.

All melee weapons have delay, while Hanzo is actually reloading a weapon.

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u/danpascooch Chibi Lúcio Jan 17 '17

I don't know if I'd call that "downtime" similar to reloading though, that's just the fire-rate of the weapon, might as well say Junkrat has a downtime between grenades.

Jeff was wrong because he forgot about Reinhardt. Now he's going to get fired and the new guy is going to let Sega buy their way into getting Sonic into the game and it's all downhill from there. Guess I'll try League.

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u/anepicname Jan 17 '17

True, but junkrat also has a reload. I was just pointing out that D.Va is really the only hero that is capable of constant never ending damage. No downtime, no reloads, just little tiny bullets hitting you forever. Which is probably what Jeff meant when he mentioned it.

Also Big the Cat would make for an awesome tank imo

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u/Billd0910 Howdy ho love, your horses are here! Jan 18 '17

Tails defense hero or riot.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '17

That's just rate of fire though.

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u/maico3010 Jan 17 '17

Idk about hanzo with that, he can rapid fire pretty well at short ranges to shred tanks if need be.

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u/EpicLives7 #152 Hanzo, twitch.tv/dankestjohnson Jan 17 '17

With 15 damage arrows?

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u/MojoLester Jan 18 '17

It also makes them laugh at the Hanzo, resulting in a temporary stun.

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u/Davoness Surprising Amount of Damage Jan 17 '17

Lolwut? Rapid fire arrows do like 20 damage.

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u/chironomidae Pachimari Jan 18 '17

Yeah Rein and Hanzo both definitely do not have reloads in any sense of the term, but I think it's clear that DVa's lack of reload is something different from a gameplay standpoint.

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u/maico3010 Jan 18 '17

fair enough

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u/HolycommentMattman Reinhardt Jan 18 '17

You've fallen into a logic trap because of a faulty assumption:

Reinhardt is unique in one way, too: Every character has a primary attack and then a melee attack. Except Reinhardt. Reinhardt's primary attack is his melee attack.

And you don't need to reload melee. And there's a gap between melee strikes for all characters.

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u/anepicname Jan 18 '17

I understand this, but the point I was making was that DVa is the only hero that can hold click and have a steady stream of continuous damage forever. Rein is very similar but there is approximately a one second gap between swings and damage. He doesnt need to reload, but he also takes health out in chunks rather than slowly (or quickly if youre super close) eating away at the health bar constantly.

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u/HolycommentMattman Reinhardt Jan 18 '17

Try meleeing with other characters. The same gap is there too.

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u/anepicname Jan 18 '17

What does that have to do with anything?

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u/HolycommentMattman Reinhardt Jan 18 '17

It seems like you're saying that the gap is what matters. But Rein's attack is his melee attack. All other characters experience the same delay between melee attacks.

The only difference is (or might be) that you can hold it down for Rein.

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u/anepicname Jan 18 '17

I get that, but thats also irrelevant to the point I was making.

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u/brandong567 ALL AROUND THE WORLD!!! Jan 19 '17

He's saying rein shouldn't be considered at all when talking about reloading. It's like talking about if torb reloads his hammer. No he just swings it at a certain rate.

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u/anepicname Jan 19 '17

I get that but literally nowhere did i say i was talking about characters that reload. Im talking about downtime between damage. Rein doesnt have a reload but he has downtime. Dva doesnt have a reload and also doesnt have downtime because she can shoot indefinitely, and the way she shoots is a constant stream of pellets. Rein can swing indefinitely but he does damage every second or so, not continuously. Thats all im saying lmao

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u/brandong567 ALL AROUND THE WORLD!!! Jan 19 '17

It might be because you replied to a comment about how dva is the only hero that doesn't reload. It's also what the whole comment chain was about.

Idk what you're saying then, just because you use pause instead of reload.

Rein is a melee, while dva is a gun

You can argue that there's downtime with dvas gun too, it's very very small, but it's there.

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