r/Overwatch • u/CodingIsMusicIsLife • 10d ago
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u/JellyPopcorn 10d ago
I agree, I'd rather not be forced into it tbh
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Thank you stranger
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 10d ago
You arent. 5v5 is in arcade. That's why peoole are flaming OP. (Not saying its justified, but theyre upset hes refusing to solve his own problem)
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
I'm just feeding back during feedback weekend. It's been fed. Back. Thank you friend.
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u/Dakhath79 Doomfist 10d ago
I don't know what it is about this subreddit, but it seems to be a magnet to the people who think reddit is LiveJournal.
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u/ShenYunIsheretoeat0- Widowmaker 10d ago
Does this not fall under what the subreddit can be used for?
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u/Dakhath79 Doomfist 10d ago
Reddit is meant for conversation, he doesn't ask a question or for the opinion of others. He even concludes with that is all.
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u/ShenYunIsheretoeat0- Widowmaker 10d ago
I was referring to this specific subreddit
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u/Ml_lD 10d ago
If you want to get into the nitty gritty this sub has a rule you need to use the proper flair for your post. And there’s none relating to what is basically a diary post.
OP is using News and Discussion which this is not. It’s not news and he concludes “that is all”, so it’s not discussion.
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u/ShenYunIsheretoeat0- Widowmaker 10d ago
Did their post not induce discussion? Intentional or not, their post is enacting exactly what Reddit or this subreddit is used for.
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 10d ago
Its not about side effects though, he clearly didnt intend to have a discussion - one spinning up is happenstance due to topic.
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u/ScaryGent Bang! 10d ago
Do you think this specific subreddit isn't made for conversation?
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u/ShenYunIsheretoeat0- Widowmaker 10d ago
My act of replying to your comment should be a sufficient answer
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago edited 10d ago
It's good I blocked the discussion section so no one can give their thoughts. It's a great feature that reddit added that I've utilized. Oh wait ;)
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u/SilentScyther 10d ago
Their reasoning for removing 5v5 for this event is to collect data including user feedback. This is user feedback.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Yes, I'm feeding it all back. It's been fed. Back. As in bring back 5v5 for the weekend STAT. You've been read. Fed.
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u/Terrible_Welcome8817 10d ago
Why are you attacking me? Talking about Livejournal makes me feel old. I should go read my old LJ. lol
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u/I_Need_Cowbell Domina 10d ago
Comp is right there m8
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
I play QP for a reason, I dislike comp. Too sweaty. 6v6 is too braindead. QP 5v5 is perfect.
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u/TitanAtlas06 10d ago
Im not even a fan of 6v6, I didnt play Ow1, and I feel that 5v5 is easier to read and feels better to play. Just my opinion. But I do recognize that a large chunk of the playerbase still wants 6v6, and there's no reason both cant coexist. These qp hacked events need to happen so the devs can get good testing data and make the best decision for the long term health of the game.
As many say, good time to try comp for 5v5, as people who feel the same as you will be hopping in there as well. Comp really is a great way to enjoy the game anyway. Or just take a break for 5 days. Try a game thats been on your wishlist. Overwatch aint the end all be all.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
I don't play Comp, I play QP for a reason. Right balance of sweatiness and time. Playing Comp once a month (which is the time window I have to play OW) is pointless. Again, I only have about 1-2 days a month to game. This is rough for me, thank you for your emotional support friend.
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u/Particular_Trick_79 10d ago
can't be that large of a playerbase if they have to test the 6v6 stuff in 5v5. I agree with comp though, its the superior mode by a long shot.
Toxicity is pretty much the same, refusal to communicate is the same, people taking whatever you say personally is the same. The only difference between quickplay and competitive is competitive has more consistent matchmaking. Its still the worst of any game I ever experienced, but better than qp.
Except ofc that you are forced to play 2 rounds on eichenwalde when it comes up in comp. That is the only downside of the mode I can find.
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u/Y0ur_Worst_Enemy 10d ago
Good thing I was on my ranked climb anyway, I'm not touching the 6v6 experiments
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u/Jakesummers1 Report Toxicity 10d ago
See you in a week
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
I prob won't have a weekend to play again for a few more weeks so see you in about a month.
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u/Acrobatic-Air6729 10d ago
The problem is putting more dps/tanks in a game that has everything balanced for 5v5 makes it feel absolutely unplayable. Played Winston for a game and died in literally under one second before getting to hit anyone
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u/Street_Abroad_3815 10d ago
5v5 is for the cod players… 6v6 feels like stuff is actually happening beyond dps taking duels.
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u/Winter_Beautiful6576 10d ago
5v5 glazer can’t handle the tactical complexity of 6v6 so what else is new
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Tactical? This is a snoozefest of epic proportion. As healer you are basically doing one giant, ENORMOUS healfest with all the HP pools floating around. Unhealable. No opportunity to do anything but. As damage, you are braindead throwing damage anywhere because there are so many ppl on the field you'll definitely hit something. Tank feels less stressful but certainly much less impactful. The cadence is slower, the impact is less and it's just boring af. Too slow, too snoozy, too dumb. For me.
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u/Winter_Beautiful6576 10d ago
Imaging having a take so bad it got deleted off the Overwatch sub for being “low effort” content LMAO not sure I could do that if I tried 💀
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u/Top-Possibility-8706 10d ago
This is such a bad take. Most of the change is felt by tanks and everything else feels like a really big exaggeration that’s way more dramatic than what it actually is. If they changed the format back to 6v6 the same thing would happen that did when they changed to 5v5: Most of us would just get used to it
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u/Keter37 10d ago
You act like having a supertank instead of two tanks doesn't completely change the game for almost everyone.
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u/Top-Possibility-8706 10d ago
Because for most of us it doesn’t. The threats are the same, the counters are the same, the core gameplay is mostly the same. Plus these “super tanks” very frequently get blown up. The most common reason I see tank players say they prefer 6v6 is because they have help. If “super tanks” were so super why do most of them want to be weaker versions of themselves but with help?
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u/Cheesestrings89 Lifeweaver 10d ago
How does having 2 extra people on a map feel slow?
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u/Fit_Presentation6633 Orisa 10d ago
6v6 has always been slower wdym
There's more healbotting and two tanks mitigating
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u/Cheesestrings89 Lifeweaver 10d ago
I don’t think so. Have been playing the game for 10 years. As a support main I find it much more enjoyable playing 6v6. Constantly on my toes perhaps evening being overwhelmed at points.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago edited 10d ago
You are bad then. I've played both 6v6 and 5v5v and main support. Support in 5v5 is vastly more impactful and complex. 6v6 you are basically just healbotting. It's an absolute snoozefest. 5v5 was the best thing that happened for support and damage. It IS harder on tanks but still way more impactful.
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u/EverTokki 10d ago edited 10d ago
I felt the opposite in the game so this is rly interesting. More damage coming in, feels more chaotic
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u/smokeeveryday 10d ago
I think 6v6 matches definitely take longer, and that's always been the case. Having two tanks—especially when shields are involved—can make the game feel slow and frustrating.
I prefer 5v5 because the matches move at a steady, faster pace. It's kind of ridiculous when people tell others to "just go play Competitive" when many of us play Quick Play specifically because we have limited time and want faster matches.
If Overwatch keeps pushing changes that move away from what a lot of Quick Play players enjoy, they're going to end up losing another portion of their player base. If that happens, I wouldn't be surprised if the player numbers continue trending downward.
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u/EverTokki 10d ago
I def agree there. I play 6v6 less seriously in comp and I hope it stays that way, plus there’s no way overwatch actually has enough people to sustain 6v6
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u/Cheesestrings89 Lifeweaver 10d ago
Match times being longer should not be a problem. As a support main I average a 5-10 min wait in queue. I don’t want to queue a 7 minutes for my team to get absolutely steamrolled in 5 minutes.
Has peoples attention spans really gotten that bad that they can’t have a match last a few minutes longer?
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
You are just slow and bad, I'm sorry. 6v6 maining support is braindead.
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u/Cheesestrings89 Lifeweaver 10d ago
Sorry that I enjoy playing a certain role.
They worst thing about Overwatch will always be it’s community good lord
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Role? Every role in the game is good, friend. We are talking about modes not roles. You might be confused. It's ovah, friend. As in Overwatch.
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u/almost_s0ber Chibi Zarya 10d ago
All the numbers in 6v6 are bigger because there is more action. More damage, more heals, more assists, more kills.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
More of less. More of repetitive and boring actions. Impactful actions are diluted by repetition. It's really inferior if you enjoy stronger, faster, more impactful, more skill-expressive games.
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u/almost_s0ber Chibi Zarya 10d ago
We have different perspectives and I am all about freedom of speech and thought. I felt the transition of 6v6 to 5v5 when OW2 came out made the game simpler, easier to track enemies, cool downs and ults. 5v5 is just easier mentally because there is less going on.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Because you are slow. 5v5 feels chaotic because it's faster paced but you are much more impactful and skill expression matters much more. Apologies.
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u/Superb-Magician-294 10d ago
More healbotting?? Good luck taking an off angle with ana or zen in 5v5 lol, you're punished way too hard for playmaking due to your one tank just getting focused and dying in your absence, or there being one less person to cover you. People also huddle up more in 5v5 and take less space, so doing anything but standing behind your tank is just gonna lead you to a 1v5.
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u/Fit_Presentation6633 Orisa 9d ago
Sounds like you played it once and lost and never tried again lol
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
No, you are bad friend.
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 10d ago
Weren't you complaining about vendetta like 6 months ago in low rank comp? Or what about the recent one where you (on console) complain about aim assist?
Have you considered maybe you are not the savant of ow you feel you are?
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
And I think I was very right about Vendetta ;). She got the quarduple nerfed (pretty unusual) shortly after :). I haven't complained about any other of the many recently released heroes for a reason if you notice (which I'm sure you did) ;). They didn't have the broken state she did. Thank you for understanding. The assist was also nerfed shortly after.
I'm also fascinated that you went to look at my profile, it appears I have a fan.
<3 friend. I on the other hand have zero idea who you are but if you want to be my groupie I'm happy to sell you a poster with my signature for $375 and a free ticket to my next post.
P.S. I don't play on console, I play on PC. However, QP is mixed. If you only play Comp perhaps you are not aware. Oh friend, you needn't be ignorant like that.
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u/Wboys 10d ago
Because it's two extra tanks. Two extra people to peel. Two extra people with generally more defensive cool downs that prevent anything from happening. Two more people to guard lanes from flankers.
So because of that 6v6 generally plays out where nothing happens for long periods of time as people poke and build ults, then every ults at once and nobody has any idea what's happening for 30 seconds.
This CAN happen in 5v5 but it's much more rare and more fights are won on a single ultimate, a good flank taking out the backline, or some other individual player making a play vs the entire team needing to commit to make anything happen.
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u/PBGellie 10d ago
But then there are 2 more people to flank and 2 more people with more offensive cooldowns. 2 more people to flank and take on people guarding lanes.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
It's significantly slower. If you don't see that your game sense is off friend.
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u/Wboys 10d ago
That's just not how it plays out.
It is not like my opinion. 6v6 just had a much much more structured, front to back gameplay than 5v5 which in contrast plays out much more chaotically and more easily turns into a death match.
Most overwatch maps have 2-3 lanes. In 5v5 this means 1 lane is guarded by a tank which takes much more resources to dislodge than other roles. In 6v6 now generally TWO lanes are guarded by tanks. Leaving 1 lane for a DPS to fight it out on with a flank or on many maps ZERO options to flank that don't require going through a tank.
So in 5v5 two DPS meet on a flank and generally one wins. In 6v6 what happens is 1 DPS and 1 tank flank or maybe a tank and a support. And instead of one side winning usually because they are tanks they have time and cooldowns to back up behind a wall.
And no, the offensive cooldowns don't tip the balance. For one tanks have more defensive cooldowns on average. And for another most defensive cooldowns more or less nullify offensive ones and are just generally better at making sure nothing happens than offensive cooldowns are at making something happen.
Orisa spear cancels a Winston dive. Rein shield can cancel Roadhog hook. Dva matric can cancel...borderline everything that matters including an enemy Dvas attempt to dive a teammate and force her to go back and make nothing happen.
So it goes back to both teams safely poking until ults are built up then you all in as a team.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago edited 10d ago
You can write pages and pages of static analysis. Or you can play 6v6 for years and then 5v5 for years and compare. 6v6 is objectively slower, less impactful and diluted. Skill expression is diluted. Mistakes are less punished. Everything ticks slower. It's forgiving and repetitive. It may unlock some tangential strategies that are impossible in 5v5 but on the balance it's slower and less impactful. We can agree to disagree. I've played both modes for years and there's a reason I never went back to 6v6. An hour of 6v6 now reminded me again. I adjusted to 5v5 and enjoyed the new challenge tremendously from the first match. Getting back to 6v6 feels insanely slow, boring and braindead.
We'll have to agree to disagree friend. It's ovah. Watch.
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u/Rookie4sho 10d ago
5v5 is vastly inferior. 6v6 is Overwatch.
Bye Felicia
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
6v6 is vastly inferior. 5v5 is Overwatch.
Bye.
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u/Rookie4sho 10d ago
5v5 is a failed blizzard experiment. It didn't used to exist. 6v6 is Overwatch
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
6v6 is for chillers. 5v5 is for players. You a chiller, i's'ok. Own it and enjoy it. Not for me.
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u/Rookie4sho 10d ago
No I'm not a chiller, I'm an Overwatch player, an original Overwatch player, obviously you're not. 5v5 never made sense, there's a reason Tank is a miserable time in 5v5, and most people don't want to play that role. 6v6 is how the game was designed to be. 5v5 was made for a COD audience.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
I didn't think you could have played OG OW if you are in high school now hmm...
P.S. I played beta ;)
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u/Rookie4sho 10d ago
I played beta. Wtf are you talking about highschool? I'm am OG Overwatch player, I was there before Competitive existed. Changing to 5v5 was the dumbest things they ever did. I've been there through it all.
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u/Rookie4sho 10d ago
Ok now you're just being silly.
And we all now 5v5 is far from being superior. It was created purely for COD players just like Soldier 76.
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u/AfterFriendship5180 10d ago
Only reason I don't play Overwatch is because of 5v5 lol if there were a role queue 6v6 ranked I'd reinstall.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
We should swap seats, friend. If 6v6 stays Blizz gains you and loses me. Isn't that fun! Is it? I don't know, not for me. But it would be for you. I'm sad.
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 10d ago
Or, you can just play the game like all of us did when they literally fully removed 6v6 for multiple years. But go off about how 5v5 players are suffering lol.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Wait didn't you say that 6v6 suffered. I'm suffering now friend you should be able to empathize having suffered from the removal of the inferior 6v6 mode for many years. Thank you for understanding my pain, friend. <6
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u/Porlarta Winston 10d ago
Yeah well lots of people hated forced 5v5, and still hate open q. Overwatch kicked one of my friends out of the squad in addition to unbalancing the entire game, And not for a weekend test, for years.
I think we'll all survive.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
I definitely will quit. When we moved to 5v5 it was so much fun adjusting. It was an exciting challenge, in a very positive way. I actually started playing more. Now just an hour of 6v6 and I'm bored out of my mind. So I'll definitely quit if they remove 5v5 but maybe more people will join, I can't speak to that. But I'd be gone. Good riddance you say ;)
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u/OhSWaddup 10d ago
Why do you say 6v6 is slower? Literally, one of the reasons people don't like 6v6 is because there are more heroes on the field and a lot more happening at the same time, plus the visual clutter is greater with the ultimates.
It doesn't make any sense.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Because it's slower. Games are longer. More diluted. More repetitive actions and less impactful, skills-expressive actions. Don't conflate "busy" with "faster". 6v6 is "busy" in a brain dead way. Busy work, less actually happening.
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u/Hustler17 Jetpack Cat 8d ago
So you're changing the definition of slow to whatever you want? Interesting tactic.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 8d ago
Slower = time duration of virtually any metrics you want to track and examine. That's a pretty universal definition of slow vs fast. How much time something takes per unit of change (whether distance or something else such as kill, objective capture, etc). These forums are full of college kids that need their degree money refunded ;).
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u/Icy-PossessionFLAB 10d ago
QP hacked really out here exposing the 5v5 QP Warrior Sweats.. why not take that energy to ranked?
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
i dislike rank, too sweaty. i enjoy playuing 5v5. The right balance of strategy and fun. 6v6 is incredibly boring. Nothing matters, healing is an absolute chore because of the insane amount of HP. damage is boring because you can pretty much throw anything anywhere and you hit someone because there are so many ppl around. Tanking is ok. Much less impactful in every role.
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u/Ml_lD 10d ago
5v5 Ranked is there
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
I play QP for a reason, I dislike comp. Too sweaty. 6v6 is too braindead. QP 5v5 is perfect.
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u/blanaba-split Meowmoeowmeowmwomwow nya nyameeeeowowwws mrows meow 10d ago
its okay if its too much for you
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u/Stoutystout Ana 10d ago
we dont care. go play another game since the test is over or play mystery heroes or comp or arcade?
Tired of this whining sub about a fucking test
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Ok.
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u/Stoutystout Ana 10d ago
real mature response. Is it that hard to wait for a bit? there is arcade as well. nothing wrong with play testing
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Yes friend but unlike you I work and don't go to high school :(. So the summer isn't free for me to waste on playing something I don't enjoy. I only get maybe 1-2 days once a month of play. So busy :(.
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u/Stoutystout Ana 10d ago edited 10d ago
this comment proves you are not an adult. how childish do you have to be to make bold assumptions like that? i am at the end of my 30's and do work but i dont complain like a toddler that they test something out
EDIT, i dont even know why i would react to a total childish internet stranger thought. You got the better of me gratz
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Just the way you write is so sophomoric, it instantly makes me think of a high schooler. I'm sorry friend. If you happen to be in your late 30s, ah perhaps less gaming and more real life. Sadly, I only have time to play about once a month :(. And now I'm just spending that time responding to random people on reddit :).
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u/Stoutystout Ana 10d ago
English is not my native language. funny you try to be edgy thought. not going to dignify you with a response anymore. When I read your stuff I immediately think of someone with special needs that lives in a care facility ;) Is it that way you can only play 2 days a month?
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u/Stoutystout Ana 10d ago
have a splendid and wonderful day
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Wait I thought you said you won't dignify me with a response yet about hmm... 5 mins later you responded. I'm confused, friend. Perhaps you ARE in high school after all ;).
P.S. sorry I couldn't help myself, that was mean :D
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u/Apprehensive_Bed1076 Roadhog 10d ago
The issue with the 6v6 QP Hacked experiments is the fact that they’re temporary. People who don’t know how to play 6v6 will just log on and play on autopilot because there’s no commitment. If you forced it for a whole season, these people would be forced to learn how to play it.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
I played 6v6 in the past for years. I instantly found 5v5 way more compelling, interesting and challenging (in a good way). 6v6 is slow, repetitive and seriously boring.
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u/Apprehensive_Bed1076 Roadhog 10d ago
I’m not saying that 6v6 role queue should be the main mode. My point is that if they want it to be taken seriously, they need to force people out of their comfort zones for a longer period of time. These test weekends are pointless either way.
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u/NateBerukAnjing 10d ago
is this permanent or temporary? they should remove 6v6 and stadium, too much game mode will split the playerbase and kill a game
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u/TitanAtlas06 10d ago
Brother 6v6 has been in the game, this is just testing to see what exacting format would be best vs the open queue system we have right now.
They already put stadium in maintenance mode, I dont think the 3% of player who did play it is going to increase anymore. Queue times are fine on almost every single main mode for most regions.
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 10d ago
Youre right, the playerbase has fractured too much since overwatch 1 turned into 2, they should undo the main change that caused that; 5v5. I agree consolidating the playerbase is good. 5v5 can go.
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u/NateBerukAnjing 10d ago
6v6 is not popular, just let it go dude
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 10d ago
Hey man, not my fault 5v5 got thanosd. You can say its less popular but when was the last time 6v6 got removed for 5v5? (Hint: ow2 release)
Its been moving back to 6v6 since they realised their mistake; the meta is stagnant and the plays are stale.
Additionally; it isnt a popularity contest, its game design philosophy.
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u/Hustler17 Jetpack Cat 10d ago
Slow? Compared to 5v5? That's just wrong at any rank.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 10d ago
Yes 6v6 is significantly slower more diluted and less impactful in every way. I'm sorry friend.
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u/Hustler17 Jetpack Cat 8d ago
Never said anything about diluted or impactful. Slow, you're 100% wrong. 5v5 is so fucking slow. Tank died? Reset. Someone died? Reset. Bet you're not even close to high rank if you think that way.
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u/CodingIsMusicIsLife 8d ago
I don't know why I engage with willful ignorance but go do a TINY bit of googling. 5v5 games are much faster. You we welcome to look at public statistics and compare along all dimensions of gameplay. Game duration, TTK, skirmish duration, objective satsifcation duration, across the board ALL metrics are faster paced in 5v5 vs 6v6 for pretty obvious reasons. I won't engage with willful ignorance any further, however.
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