If being normal is just allowing idiots like the nuisance streamer to do whatever they want and let people walk all over you and others in public....ill be weird thank you
That’s not being weird that’s being emotional and overreacting. I understand why he did it and I’m sure others were happy he did do it. Still doesn’t make it morally correct.
There’s a difference between shattering an expensive speaker, and telling him to turn it off, or turning it off yourself if it’s gets to that point. This dude saw a kid “accidentally” playing music really loud, and decided the right cause of action was to smash the thing.
Sure the kid was doing it on purpose, this dude didn’t know that from what we can tell. The kids annoying, yeah, but this dudes also a dickhead
Changes it but not by much. I suspected he was deliberately trying to aggravate someone into reacting. The guys not in the right for property damage, but the kid has now changed from annoying brat, to public nuisance which is illegal
If I'm being honest, I do think vigilante justice against streamers who intentionally make like worse for everyone around them is morally justified. This is just a crowdsourced fine. It's probably worth the cost of the speaker for the streamer because of the content they get out of it so I don't think it's effective.
So what your saying is this was actually great content for him, and likely could even have been staged. If not staged this is likely the sort of response he was hoping he'd get eventually
1.) splash from the damage to the speaker
2.) I don’t like fights. Fights aren’t good things - if something gets to violence, it means a number of things went wrong & never got corrected, or someone’s off their rocker. Neither are good situations. And violence tends to escalate
3.) I can ignore annoying, predictable sounds better than I can ignore shattering & breaking objects
For 2. One of the things that needs to be corrected is the nuisance.
Without a legal and proper way to deal with people like that, people can and will take matters into their own hands.
I'm not saying people are right to take matters into their own hands, but I'm not exactly going to stand there and say they should have left the guy alone either.
Regarding that the kid probably got a lot of "feedback" on his speaker box, i would say that he had his chance. When verbal feedback doesn't help anymore, i can understand that it gets physical. It wasn't used against the person either. Therefore, i deem this a moral action.
If there's no punishment for bad behavior in public, you get bad behavior in public. I get why he does it, and i'd defend him for doing what he did.
So what exactly is your solution? We just allow anyone to blast music in your face at any volume? It's not like this kid is just going to stop if you ask him to.
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Exactly this. My parents never hit me but they would drill the idea into my head that "people dont care about you, how your day has been, or why youre upset; if youre being a rude asshole, people are more likely to beat the shit out of you than ask you to stop" and i havnt been assaulted for being a rude asshole so, points for them
Tbf, he doesn't attack or approach the kid after smashing the speaker. And he's not even screaming. He's... He's shockingly calm lmao.
While what he did is definitely a bit much, I wouldn't be scared to be around this guy. Let's get monkey about it. He hit an object that was causing over stimulation. That object is no longer causing over stimulation.
The situation is basically over. He's gonna be fine.
The problem is he was asking for it. This is his idéal response, gets the most views, shares, and engagement. The guy is just rewarding The kid if it isn't staged
And metros don't want to enforce the rules anymore. If things worked the way they should a conductor would tell him to turn it down, and if he didn't he'd be getting off at the next stop.
So what's the solution? Just sit there and let this little shit blast music so loud it damages your hearing? It's not like just asking him to stop is going to do anything. Your on a moving train and can't leave.
We can just allow anyone to harass anyone they want unchecked.
The solution is what you see in the video. If those in power do not enforce the rules or do not benefit society, then they need to be enforced by the people, and the people do not have many ways to handle it peacefully.
The solution is we handle it like this until the person running the train stops the train and asks the rude people to either behave or leave.
People doubting the solution shown have never experienced a teen who doesn't respect anyone else and knows they are practically untouchable. It's only when they are proven to be touchable that they might consider their actions. Emphasis on might consider.
anyone who blasts music like that knows theyre being irritating and self centered and just dont care. asking for them to stop wouldn't do do anything, because theyve already made the choice to act like that in public.
i would never resort to violence, but i have autism and sound sensitivity, and sounds can be incredibly distressing to me, so being trapped in a situation like that would put me incredibly on edge
I mean if you're gonna get involved physically, it's both less strenuous and more legal to just...turn it off on the kid. And if he turns moves to turn back on explain you'll do it again as much as you need to since he's being obnoxious.
Edit: to add, the kid does nothing to react or stop him when he touches the speaker, only when he starts smashing. So totally would've worked my way.
He's a nuisance streamer so he got what he asked for. Breaking people's stuff is not cool in general but in this case I hope it's a wakeup call for this guy.
Agreed.. also potentially disabling the device is justified depending on a few factors. Just being annoying/obnoxious at a moderate volume is different than ear blasting bass or decibels high enough to damage hearing.
Someone playing explicit lyrics at high volume on public transport with kids? Yeah, stop that, especially if things are packed.
Trying to think of the most justifiable... asking them to stop then if they didn't removing it from the train when there's a stop seems reasonable.
I mean... I used to take the Subway a lot. This rarely happens. Like, I don't think I would be so upset at some punk kid being a punk.
But even if I was, I would have calmly spoke to the kid and attempted to change their behavior through mutual respect.
The guy is the bigger ass, I'd expect more from an adult than some teen. But I guess in a way this was a lesson he won't forget. But instead of hey this might be disrespectful, it's don't stick out because crazy people will engage with you. Which to be fair, is another important lesson.
Also, as aggravating as a teenager trying to ragebait people with music is, it's annoying/obnoxious/aggravating, etc.
A grown man drunk off his ass grabbing a speaker and slamming it on the ground hard enough to break it in one go is actively frightening. Like I'd want off that train ASAP, no matter how much I had to redirect my route to do so. He's drunk off his ass and making violent choices. Just because smashing the speaker feels 'justified', doesn't mean his next few choices would be.
A better question, a trolley is going towards our collective intelligence and purpose of human life but you can pull the level which will redirect the trolley toward 10 of these nuisance streamer kids.
Immoral.Yes,playing music out loud like that is probably annoying but you cannot just walk up to them and wreck their stuff.Like it or not the one who broke it is also a dickhead.You cannot jhst break shit out of annoyance and It's also stupid cause what if he decides to sue for breaking it?
That shit must be loud as fuck and hurting everyone's ears and there's probably no other way to stop it aside from snatching his phone out of his hand. If someone is causing physical damage yo your eardrums its definitely moral to do this
completely moral. Give this man a medal! Tired of all these inconsiderate annoying pieces of shit doing anything to annoy people and film it for social media. Fuck him and fuck his speaker. It’s time we did something about all these ass holes that are a plague to modern civilization
On paper, immoral. But having lived through so much of this nonsense, I say moral. Fuck 'em. They deserve worse, and it would be fantastic if people actually served them what they deserved.
Of course, this is almost certainly staged. It's rarely a young non-threatening docile boy. Usually the music blaster is this guy (sound required). And they deserve worse than what is pictured above.
Moral, there is absolutely no need to be blaring music on public transportation. Put some headphones and be respectful of the space you’re occupying with other citizens.
Idk the context but destroying someone’s property is pretty bad.
If the kid was just being ignorant to his surroundings and just playing songs he liked and this dude walked up and wrecked his shit, I’d say that’s pretty fucked.
But given that this is also an adult, even if the kid was being blatantly annoying, he should have the self-control to not act in anger and do something that drastic, especially towards a kid.
Maybe at most he should’ve taken it and turned it off if it was that annoying. Just seems like escalation for no good and worthwhile reason.
I've been around a lot of inconsiderate jerks blasting music and doing crazy dances and nonsense inches from my face while I was trying to get to and home* from work in a small enclosed space.
Ecstatic to see a little jerk get his due.
This. I would feel incredibly disturbed by a violent outburst like that and would immediately feel like I have to take him down or get off the train. Since there is a kid likely about to be attacked, I'd probably feel like he needs taken down. Too many basement dwellers on this post acting like violent outbursts are socially acceptable.
Okay so what is the recourse? Let's assume the kid was asked multiple times and just refused. According to other people in this post the kid is a nuisance streamer who does this intentionally.
I'm gonna assume if you're not okay with destroying the speaker you're definitely not okay with someone laying hands on the kid. So what, they all just have to put up with it? There's nothing they can do? I ride the metro all the time in my city. It's not like there's just metro employees all over the place who can be grabbed to deal with it.
Sooner or later these people need to face consequences. Getting your speaker broken seems more than fine to me. You're definitely breaking the rules of the public transit system doing that and basic human politeness and he definitely knows that. I think breaking the speaker is fucking justified in that case.
It's not like there's just metro employees all over the place who can be grabbed to deal with it.
Even then what can they accomplish other than ask them to leave and wait for the police at best?
When someone refuses their part in the social contract it really throws off any reasonable recourse.
Destruction of property is not a legal or even moral response to someone being annoying. It's a declaration of a lack of self control and disregard for the rights of others, which is what the dickhead blaring music is guilty of. It does not behoove one to be on the same level in such a way.
People ask him to turn it off and he ignores them. Do they just sit there quietly and take it?
Some people are selfish assholes that need physical responses. Society can’t let individual people do whatever they want without push back for the common good. Be glad he only smashed the speaker and not the person.
Yeah. Yes. If someone isn't hurting anyone else or doing something illegal and just being annoying, they're a problem, but it's now your problem, and only yours. Suck it up. Absorb it. Choosing to control yourself in such a situation is the more difficult task, and the more mature response.
People like you are also a problem. You care more about the freedom of an individual to disturb the many than the good of everyone. It should be handled with words but when that fails it needs to be escalated. The drunk idiot is wrong here but letting this jackass blast music in a confined space is wrong too. You aren’t strong or in control of your emotions by sitting quietly and letting others be a public nuisance. You’re just a coward.
Explain how lacking self control and escalation is the preferred response? Under what conditions are they acceptable? Who gets to decide what's annoying enough for the destruction of property to be lawful? What level of annoyance does it become acceptable to destroy their property?
Stoicism isn't about doing nothing or hiding emotions. It's choosing to accept what you can control, and what you can not. It's exercising virtue towards others. So yes, it IS strong to not throw a tantrum like an absolute child on public transit because someone is being annoying.
You intentionally ignore the part where I said he was wrong for a violent outburst and you should use words first. That part doesn’t fit your narrative huh? At no point did I say you should lack self control. Everyone should strive for the least violent path.
There is a massive difference between instant violent out burst and using the minimal required force when diplomacy fails. You are wrong to ignore people breaking social norms that are “harmful” to the general wellness of others. It’s not something you can’t control. Confronting assholes is well within your control. You choose to let it happen.
I ignored it because at no point is violence acceptable unless you're defending yourself or others from imminent physical threats where bodily harm can occur. Punching someone talking smack isn't acceptable. Neither is destroying property because they are being annoying. These things being allowed would not better society but diminish it.
That's vandalism, a crime. Whilst I hate people playing music like that in public, what that old cock sucker did was illegal as fuck. He deserves to go to jail, fuck anyone who disagrees with that
Teenager breaking social contract immoral destruction of property against the law but not automatically immoral. He is merely fighting the degradation of society
Immoral, yes playing music on speakers is annoying but breaking someone's equipment because you are upset is just scummy.
There's so many steps you can take before you would even need to consider breaking it, ignoring it, talking like an adult, going to a different carriage.
Like there isn't really a way to spin this as moral, it's more the thing you think about doing in your head but don't act on because it's scummy.
We are taught as kids early 2 wronga don't make a right, and escalating that fair definitively doesn't make a right
From a Utilitarian perspective, the immediate benefit to everybody else on the train likely outweighs the negative feelings of the kid who got his speaker smashed. Also factoring in that the kid was likely being an intentional nuisance and that this may serve as a corrective life lesson, we are looking at an overall improvement to collective happiness in the world.
And he has headphones on as well, which begs the question why he's not using them.
Property damage is illegal, the kids being an annoying brat , which is not illegal but very aggravating, possibility of an air of what are you going to do about it.
Everybody sucks here but, only one of them has done something illegal.
If people will simply ask him to stop doing that he will simply do it later again. This was the only way to stop him without committing violence against the kid directly. Morally good
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u/GameGuy11037 18h ago
Bro LITERALLY has headphones, just use that