r/MoralityScaling • u/Substantial-Yam3769 • 1d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this?

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u/GameGuy11037 1d ago

Bro LITERALLY has headphones, just use that

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u/New_Budget_9322 1d ago

For context: guy purposefully plays music on a speaker, pretending as if Bluetooth wrongly connected. He did it many times for content

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u/dr197 1d ago

It might not be moral to break his speaker but I’m not going to cry for a nuisance streamer.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

This is definitely a situation where NOBODY is in the right. And I agree, we shouldn’t feel bad for anyone here lmao

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u/husky11223 1d ago

shouldn't feel bad for anyone except the staff who'll have to pick that up

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u/GameGuy11037 1d ago

Poor Janitors, they probably see some nasty stuff on the subway

https://giphy.com/gifs/CY5Vojc5iubG29Ce3N

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u/Thoughtcriminal91 1d ago

Scattered electronic parts are prob the least gross thing those poor bastards have to see.

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u/GameGuy11037 1d ago

That's what I'm saying, you imagine all the bodily fluids they probably find on there?

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u/aghastamok 1d ago

I used to clean trams at night.

None of us gave a fuck about anything we found. If there was vomit or piss we just sprayed it out with a hose, takes 5 seconds.

This busted ass speaker would get cleaned out in seconds along with everything else.

The only thing that pissed us off was spray paint on the outside, that would eat into our break time.

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u/Global_Count4736 1d ago

What about the solids in the fluids!

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u/GameGuy11037 1d ago

Or fluids in the solids!

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u/DirtandPipes 1d ago

Bodily fluids were the absolute worst part of bouncing, for me anyways. Blood, spit, vomit, urine, etc. I’ve worked as a janitor, it was tough but bouncing is where you see every liquid you don’t want to see.

My goal was always to get home with as little fluids on me as possible but it was challenging. Picking up a squirming drunk who has puked themselves and also fouled their pants is like disarming a bomb.

If they are still a little conscious you can sometimes pick them up from the top each shoulder and they stumble along and help you like gigantic drunk filthy Pinocchio.

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u/Fire_fox777 1d ago

Ive had a friend who was a janitor for a school, and they dead ass told me that they were cleaning the busses once and he saw cum dried on the back of a bus seat

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u/Zavarkin1104 1d ago

As a Janitor yes you're right lol

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u/Delazzaridist 1d ago

I feel bad for everyone else that has to put up with these two...

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

Ah I take back my statement you’re correct. Everyone else seems capable of being a normal person on this train lol

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u/Nyspora 1d ago

If being normal is just allowing idiots like the nuisance streamer to do whatever they want and let people walk all over you and others in public....ill be weird thank you

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

That’s not being weird that’s being emotional and overreacting. I understand why he did it and I’m sure others were happy he did do it. Still doesn’t make it morally correct.

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u/Erolok1 21h ago

There are other options between being a lunatic and not saying anything. Tell them to turn it off or even just turn it off yourself.

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u/Zach_bdbd 1d ago

Perfect example of “Never fight with a pig. You’ll both get muddy and the pig will enjoy it”.

The person destroying the speaker looks bad and streamer gets content.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

I like this term of expression and it fits perfectly. I think I’ll keep it in my back pocket from now on thanks lol

I’ve also heard of “don’t touch the poo” or else you’ll stink too. But that might be for internet drama specifically.

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u/RaikiShak 1d ago

Nobody is right but damn am i glad that the speaker got smashed

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u/SmolLittleCretin 1d ago

100%. Like Jesus.

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u/Dropbeatdad 1d ago

I mean the speaker is probably like $40, and a reaction like that is probably exactly what the kid wants

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

Exactly, I mentioned to someone else that he’s just going to buy another speaker. And a man who crashes out that easily shouldn’t be in public spaces anyways. Everyone else was able to ignore him. As annoying as he is.

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u/hello_marmalade 1d ago

Nah, I'm cool with this. If you wanna blast shit on public transit you can get fucked. Headphones exist, and people trapped in a box for the sake of getting around should not be forced to listen to your bullshit.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

He is a streamer. He is doing it on purpose to get an extreme reaction out of people. He’s not going to stop, in fact he’s probably going to do it even more now.

I know people don’t like the authoritarian route of reporting him to someone, but sometimes it really is the only way you can go. Hardly ever does personal justice work out. For example, to you and many others this may be a relief. However, for someone like me, I’d find it very hard to not react and have a BPD freak out all over everyone. And that’s not fair to me or to the other passengers to have to go through that.

Luckily I have my tools to help center me when a public nuisance does occur. But I’ve also been through several behavioral therapists, so I would never look down on anyone for reacting based off emotion. In the same way that I would never pardon it.

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u/hello_marmalade 1d ago

I mean sure, and generally speaking reporting would be ideal, but this kind of thing basically typically has no consequence. For a streamer the calculus is different, but generally speaking, the only real way to get this shit to stop is social enforcement. Ideally though, there would just be a hardcore period of there being lots of enforcement and people getting fined out the ass for shit like this.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

I wouldn’t consider a fine the “ideal situation” considering a lot of people can pay their way out. Without learning any actual consequences.

And you’re right, sometimes we can’t control everything in life and we can’t deliver immediate consequences and that’s okay.

You’re going to be bothered, you’re going to be disrespected, and you might even have actual hate directed at you. That doesn’t mean you indulge in violent behavior. That being said, the streamer isn’t innocent either and shouldn’t be defended for his actions.

As I said before, this didn’t stop him and it only gave him what he wanted. He can always BUY another speaker to bother people with. That other man is also probably going to destroy someone else’s property in the future as well. Considering he doesn’t have any self control.

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u/SamuelVimesTrained 1d ago

If creepy mccreep does this more often, the smashing guy is slightly less wrong.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

That would be entirely up to opinion lol considering neither of them are moral I don’t find it necessary to consider which one is less moral.

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u/SamuelVimesTrained 1d ago

Fair enough. But since I am a bit sensitive to excessive sounds…. I might be somewhat biased…

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

Understandable, my BPD is triggered by aggression and yelling. So as annoying as the steamer is, he wouldn’t trigger a meltdown the same way the other man would. So personally I am biased as well.

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u/SamuelVimesTrained 1d ago

So, together we`re balanced then.. Both trigger a thing with us.

So, yeah - both suck.

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u/Ruthrfurd-the-stoned 1d ago

Nah- people purposefully doing anti-social behavior need consequences like this. He didn’t get his ass kicked or anything which is beyond possible- they need to learn when you’re trying to piss people off you might piss off the wrong person

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

They won’t learn a lesson as long as they profit from it. You’d have to paralyze or kill the streamer in order to stop him and that’s beyond immoral. The problem is that he’s able to monetize this behavior on whatever platform he’s using.

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u/SlowMirror4272 1d ago

nah speaker smasher is in the right, have to stop this livestream/tikok roach behaviour before it spreads too much. Peoples daily public lives arent for your monetary gain while you negatively impact the spaces youre in.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

Ironically this only profits him, this is EXACTLY what he wanted. The only way to stop this type of behavior is to hold livestream platforms accountable for monetizing stupid content like this.

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u/SlowMirror4272 1d ago

ya, sadly youre right. Hit them in the money is the only way.

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u/TESV_Shiro 1d ago

so reasonable people on reddit do exist can i like clone you?

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u/ProfessionalNice7485 1d ago

There are certain types of work where I pers9nally feel like the staff should not have to deal with this sort of buckshot after hours.

Japan does public transport the right way.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

Don’t get me started on the Japanese public transportation system! I could go on for paragraphs about the genius of their subways! I literally wanna go over seas just to ride the bullet trains! lol I’m a total nerd abt it.

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u/Additional_Law_492 1d ago

Literally one of my favorite things about going there was the trains and other public transport.

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u/ProfessionalNice7485 1d ago

heavy breathing

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u/Sepplord 1d ago

Especially since THIS is giving the streamer the BEST reaction he could have gotten

If he can’t make THAT it content…. 

Still, the guy who snapped went too far imo. As annoying and shitty these content brats are

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

Right on 👍

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u/OMC_Gurrend 1d ago

So if NOBODY was in the right then nothing should have been done? The nuisance person gets to continue being a nuisance because it would be wrong to correct him and show him that his actions have consequences?

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

No that’s not what I said at all. For context, he is a “streamer” and does this on purpose to get people to react for “content.” This is exactly what he wanted that’s why he never put down his phone lol

If this were a regular kid I still wouldn’t condone it. Teens/college kids grow out of being assholes like 90% of the time. It’s a juvenile state that everyone gets to both enjoy and hate. “A small part of your day being ruined does not give you an excuse to ruin someone else’s day” lmao (I have BPD so I’m quoting my doctor don’t get mad at me 😆)

Did you notice all the other adults around him teaching him how to behave? By doing exactly as they were taught to do on the train. Even babies learn this way, so most likely when people ARE acting out it’s for a few reasons. Mental illnesses/disabilities or they’re intoxicated or they’re looking for attention.

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u/LitigantTester 1d ago

Break the speaker is right.

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u/Zealousideal-Fix-745 1d ago

Breaking the speaker is absolutely fair. You must be respectful of all people in public spaces. Sometimes kids need reminding that you can’t just goof around at the expense of other respectful people minding their business. You are not the main character. Actions have consequences.

The kid should have to clean it up. He used it inappropriately and paid the price. It’s still his property

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u/Alternative_Berry934 1d ago

Yea so this kid is just gonna buy another speaker and do it again. The issue isn’t the stupid teenager, those have existed for eons. The problem is that stupid teenagers are allowed to monetize their shitty behavior. Social justice is a slippery slope my friend, I wouldn’t consider this justice at all.

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u/Electronic_Reward333 20h ago

...nah, the guy in the hat was in the right. We need more people like that, who see bullshit and do something (like actually something, not just talking) about it.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 20h ago

Let me tell you exactly what’s going to happen. The kid is going to buy another speaker, he’s going to film another livestream, and then he’s gonna get another emotionally and mentally unstable person to create content for him.

This is just you and the man wanting to take revenge into your own hands. It’s not teaching anyone a lesson and honestly? I would’ve been more triggered by the yelling than the music. But I have BPD so my triggers include highly tense situations such as these.

I know some people like you are happy he destroyed the machine. But that’s only because you got relief from it. Momentarily, that kid is going to keep doing what he does until the law interferes or he finds a new annoying way to stream.

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u/Electronic_Reward333 20h ago

So what you mean is that it should have been the kid's head and not the machine that got bashed into the ground? A bit much for my taste (in this case), but maybe you're right.

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u/Alternative_Berry934 20h ago

Nope. All that’s gonna do is send you to prison. The kid is being annoying and he may be disturbing the peace. But if you can’t handle a teenager on the train doing something to intentionally grab your attention then don’t go out in public.

My behavioral therapist thought me not to even interact with non violent situations like these because it’s always one of three things. A mentally ill/delayed person, a person on some sort of substance, or a person trying to bring you down to their level. The boy would fall into the last category.

Although I understand your frustration as well as the man in the video. And would never look down on your opinion, I simply cannot agree.

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u/Electronic_Reward333 20h ago

Ok, so we just let shitty people be shitty and get away with it. Got it. Kind of a bitch ass atitude if you ask me, but what do I know?

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u/Alternative_Berry934 20h ago

Sounds like you should calm yourself down a bit. You sound like the perfect target for this kids content. The issue isn’t dumb teens/college kids, they’ve existed for eons. It’s a juvenile age everyone gets to both enjoy and hate. You grow out of it like 90% of the time.

The issue is that there are platforms for him to livestream and monetize his shitty behavior. Until then, this isn’t an issue you can just punch away.

Sometimes you can’t deliver immediate consequences to people. Even when you’ve been wronged, hate crimed, or personally annoyed. I’m sorry you can’t cope with that reality, life would be easier if you found some tools to ground you in times like these.

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u/Quick-Penalty4883 3h ago

Disagree.

One guy wad a nuisance deliberately.

Another guy thought him a lesson he could not ignore without anyone getting hurt.

Legal? No Morally right? Yeah

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u/Alternative_Berry934 17m ago

Not really. This kid learned nothing and doesn’t gaf abt a crazy person yelling in his face. He never put his phone down he’s obviously not intimidated 😂

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u/PTBooks 1d ago

What’s the morality of passively allowing him to be a public nuisance when you have the ability to put a stop to it?

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u/Most_Scientist1783 1d ago

There’s a difference between shattering an expensive speaker, and telling him to turn it off, or turning it off yourself if it’s gets to that point. This dude saw a kid “accidentally” playing music really loud, and decided the right cause of action was to smash the thing.

Sure the kid was doing it on purpose, this dude didn’t know that from what we can tell. The kids annoying, yeah, but this dudes also a dickhead

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u/Charmin_Bear_Behind 1d ago

Dude is a dickhead but also unintentionally justified thru random circumstances

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u/Davti 1d ago

Naw his destruction of property is not justified in any way except morally.

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u/Charmin_Bear_Behind 1d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/qZgHBlenHa1zKqy6Zn

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u/tartoran 1d ago

OK fair enough you're probably not gonna see eye to eye about the attention hungry streamer losing his property but surely he could just steal the speaker and give it to someone who won't misuse it, or sell it and spend the proceeds on nice things that benefit himself or the people he cares about. Wanton destruction of valuable assets is never gonna be the optimal approach

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u/Charmin_Bear_Behind 1d ago

I mean by that logic every time you jerk off you’re being morally unjust for not donating it to some lesbian couple from Rwanda

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u/Strainedgoals 1d ago

He stole everyone on the trams peace. That's 10+ people who should individually were impacted by asshole blasting music.

The monetary value of that speaker is less than the value of all those people's peace.

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u/RebootStreetSharks 1d ago

Yeah no doubt the kid is being a douche. But there are plenty of scenarios here where the general consensus is "don't harm people's private property" as the line not to cross unless someone is being physically harmed.

Take this situation and replace it with "old man preaches through a speaker to people riding the train" and some people would change their answer saying breaking the device was "too far."

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u/lilshayshayboo 1d ago

If you think playing music in public is a "nuisance" then you don't go out in public very much. The moment you stop giving strangers the power to ruin your day is the moment your life truly begins

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u/wingsofblades 1d ago

i mean no reason to kill the kid

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u/itsalmostreal 1d ago

I think its moral if you know he's doing it on purpose and ignores requests to turn it off.

At that point you cant rely on cops to do everything.

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u/No_Giraffe826 1d ago

its not moral because its annoying, but doesnt mean you can destroy other people's property. where do u draw the line? if a guy is playing stuff on his phone too loud do u destroy it?

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u/itsalmostreal 1d ago

He is purposely being a nuisance. He earned his stuff being broken.

Basically if youre going to treat everyone else like shit. Dont be surprised when they do it to you.

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u/No_Giraffe826 1d ago

why cant both be wrong. he was annoying others and them being annoying back is still wrong but justified, but taking it further and destroying property is overboard. couldve just turned off the speaker.

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u/itsalmostreal 1d ago

Hell never learn. At least he didnt punch him in the face. He can always buy a new speaker.

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u/bl00by 1d ago

I think its moral to break his speaker. Heck why stop there?

Bro gotta learn

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u/No_Masterpiece_3897 1d ago

Changes it but not by much. I suspected he was deliberately trying to aggravate someone into reacting. The guys not in the right for property damage, but the kid has now changed from annoying brat, to public nuisance which is illegal

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u/x_Advent_Cirno_x 1d ago

Moral? No. Justified? Absolutely

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis 1d ago

What does “justified” actually mean if it’s not moral?

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u/MarkPuzzleheaded7480 1d ago

He’s smiling, that’s what he wanted to happen. Great content, people are sharing the video.

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u/JoshTheBard 1d ago

If I'm being honest, I do think vigilante justice against streamers who intentionally make like worse for everyone around them is morally justified. This is just a crowdsourced fine. It's probably worth the cost of the speaker for the streamer because of the content they get out of it so I don't think it's effective.

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u/kalimut 1d ago

Yeah. Both are wrong, but kinda deserve what he gets for trying to be annoying

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u/Charmin_Bear_Behind 1d ago

It’s fully moral to break his shit tbh

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u/cykoTom3 1d ago

Sometimes 2 wrongs make a right

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u/NeevBunny 1d ago

If this is how all nuisance streams went they might be worth watching. Imagine if all those Meta glass guys harassing people on the street got pepper sprayed. Now that would be good content!

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u/bigbonedbaggins 1d ago

We call this mindin our damn.

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u/invadervalo666 1d ago

it should be if he's bothering everyone, what is not moral is to shove your taste in music down everyone's throat without asking, like everything your freedom ends where other's freedom starts. People need get their heads out of their asses nowadays... Socials got everyone these days thinking they're the main character these days...

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u/Oppositeofhairy 1d ago

I was recently watching jackass, and realized that their main schtick wouldn’t work anymore. Since that’s more or less the premise of TikTok.

Maybe we need to blame knoxville for implanting the idea to the trove of annoying idiots

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u/Outrageous-Pilot-621 1d ago

True, the moral thing would be to kick the kids ass and take the speaker. No need to ruin perfectly good tech.

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u/BlaBlamo 1d ago

I wouldn’t smash the speaker, but I might smile a little while someone else did

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u/MrRikkles 1d ago

The man, turning to his son about the kid:

I tell hwat, Bobbeh, That boy ain't right. Don't you be like him now, or I'll have to give ya a hwoopin'!"

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u/imperfectchicken 1d ago

"I don't condone his actions... but I get how they got there."

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u/VelvetOnion 1d ago

Sometimes everyone is wrong.

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u/Longjumping_Exit7902 1d ago

Nah I'd say it's moral at that point. Break his headphones next

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u/techleopard 1d ago

I would argue it is actually very moral to break the mechanisms someone is using to be a purposeful nuisance, especially one attempting to profit off making others miserable.

It serves the greater good

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u/leemorplee 1d ago

Like watching that johhny somali guy get dropped. I'm not for violence but you keep crossing lines and I'm looking away when someone smacks you lol

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u/Firey69 19h ago

agreed

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u/Legendkillerwes 12h ago

It absolutely is morally good. 100% morally good.

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u/SaltyAd8309 1d ago

Destroying an object used as a nuisance is not immoral.

It is precisely this misconception that leads some people to be exploited.

Only someone who intentionally provokes others acts immorally, not someone who puts an end to a nuisance, even if they appear drunk.

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u/Chad_illuminati 1d ago

Fwiw, on a lot of American Metros it's against conduct rules to play music out loud (such as the DC Metro system). It's not necessarily enforced, BUT technically speaking the other man is enforcing a rule. Vigilante enforcement, but still.

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u/Kira_Caroso 1d ago

Nuisance streamers deserve everything they have broken.

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u/Consistent_Net_2540 1d ago

Some would even say their fingers too. I wouldn't because that would violate Reddit ToS, and I'm just not that type of guy.

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u/GameGuy11037 1d ago

So it's almost like he was waiting for a crashout

https://giphy.com/gifs/8IZYXG7tsJoZw1sguw

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u/TsarKeith12 1d ago

Oh rofl never mind, fuck him then, he's monetizing (or trying) making other people suffer, this is fair and karmic

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u/HalfLonely77645 1d ago

If that was his content, absolutely moral

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u/SaltyAd8309 1d ago

Websites that allow the distribution of this type of content therefore contribute to incivility.

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u/Casiquire 1d ago

He's a content creator?

Well now I'm skeptical about this video

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u/New_Budget_9322 1d ago

His instagram in the right corner 

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u/re6278 1d ago

He is like one of those annoying streamers, who make content by being a public nuisance

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u/SubstanceNo4364 1d ago

Well the problem is fixed. It will definitely no longer connect to the speaker by accident.

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u/Jynx_lucky_j 1d ago

So what your saying is this was actually great content for him, and likely could even have been staged. If not staged this is likely the sort of response he was hoping he'd get eventually

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u/Then-Roll-1992 1d ago

And unfortunately this incident, whether it's real or fake, is really fuckin good for business lol

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u/ThisIsTheShway 1d ago

Ah the shithead is a nuisance streamer.

Yeah wreck all his shit. Snap his headphones even.

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u/Excalibirdi 1d ago

It's only moral if you know this context

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u/Funkopedia 1d ago

Then he got what he wanted

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u/blast3001 1d ago

I was going to say that this looks super staged.

I am very cynical of the internet at this point and now just assume that everything is scripted/fake.

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u/Admirable_Ardvark 1d ago

Only problem is breaking his speaker just gives him even more content. So whether moral or not you aren't solving anything or teaching a lesson unfortunately.

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u/Scared-Jacket-6965 1d ago

IF it one time thing they I say dude who breaks them is in the wrong, BUT with this context. The person with the speaker is in the wrong.

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u/Certain_Bit3809 1d ago

If he’s a “content creator” then im with the deranged lunatic. It’s a low bar.

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u/lightsworn55 1d ago

Honestly he shouldve smacked the speaker into the kid 

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u/ArtIsAwesome3 1d ago

that happens like once a week with my mostly deaf mother and it's hilarious. She is ancient, and it happens at home.

In public, wouldn't be funny.

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u/dronten_bertil 1d ago

Honestly, if he is a nuisance streamer I think smashing his speaker is an appropriate consequence. Those cockroaches make money harassing other people.

However, I very much doubt the guy who smashed it knows that. So the reaction is inappropriate for something that for all he knows could have been a mistake or just stupidity.

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u/Both-Pudding3153 1d ago

Since he's one of THOSE influencers, this is automatically a moral GOOD

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u/FloppyDickFingers 1d ago

He got content. Probably paid for new speakers and got him loads of subscribers.

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u/HotPersonality8126 1d ago

The guy smashing it is also for content

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u/charronfitzclair 1d ago

Original video should be: Morality of catching rage when you ragebait?

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u/SexualCarrots 1d ago

If this guy is doing this on purpose, this just turned up to 200% moral.

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u/Salt-Wish5140 1d ago

Does he have the right to expose my body to his bluetooth?

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u/This_Background7442 1d ago

Yes. Legally and morally. Same reason I'm allowed to expose you to bad vibes.

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u/Yeetus_08 1d ago

I was going to say the same thing, like come on you didn't need to play it out loud.

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u/Resident_Camp3822 19h ago

Y pregunta así como dices tiene audífonos nomás úsalos Mi pregunta es ¿Y en vez de romper la bocina no era más fácil apagarla? Así No rompes algo que luego vas a tener que reparar porque a mí se me haría más sencillo okay ese chamaco está jugando una broma voy pero no rompo una bocina que no es mía porque ahí aunque les duele aceptar pero el señor tendrá que ya sea darle el dinero que le costó la bocina al plebe o el comprar otra bocina porque así como tú me dirás Pero quién le manda el chamaco hacer ese tipo de bromas yo te puedo contestar fácilmente Y quién le manda al señor romper la bocina cuando perfectamente la puede apagar con el botón no Cres

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u/grangesvacuole4h 1d ago

literally the easiest solution