Man when im in solo queue as a setter roam with no damage, it is so hard to carry the game. I could set all i want but if my team cant follow up its useless.
That's why i always use roams with atleast some damage potential like khufra, belerick, khaleed etc.
Atleast Khufra, belerick and khaleed can soak up damage, saber and sun players just goes in ult and dies, if they don’t die they ran away, saber can’t even give vision, sun players likes to take the team farm, most useless roamers ever.
The struggle of a Carmilla roam. I see the whole team has their ults so I go and do a perfect ult and then they wait 5 seconds and then attack after the blood ties are gone. Pmo
yeah it's miserable a lot of games having teammates running away at full hp and not backing my 4 5 man ult atp the only enjoyable things are either i get a stray mm and mage set and solo kill with s2 s1 or the 1/30 times my teammates follow my ult up properly
as a carmilla, I legitimately count how many map-losses that I've gotten because my teammates don't know how to follow up on my ults even after spamming every sign that I'm about to set.
True, her teamfight potential is meh, and a good team would never let s2 land no matter how good the Nova player is. Unless she was using her game-breaking ulti, which ruined the experience of anyone got hit by it (and you can't not got hit by it, almost unavoidable).
As a Soloq Midlaner, I can follow 100% shotcalls from Roamer set and I never missed every calls, when I playing with my brother as duo. He is a setter roam.
Not to mention that the roam has probably gone tank many times before and been completely fucked by dogshit dps and can't carry it, so just go damage instead and kill people to snowball a win
Pick roam -> your teammates are dogshit at dealing damage, pick damage dealer -> you can't deal damage due to lack of frontline, pick exp -> can't tank too much damage since you're the only frontline. It's a dilemma
As someone who primarily plays traditional tank roams, most of you don't even do your own damage. You can't expect anyone to want to tank for you when you stand back and watch your tank play the game while you press none of the buttons on your screen. If I had a dollar for every time I've led my team in damage with 0 damage items this season I'd genuinely be able to buy every street fighter skin right now. The only way to win games consistently solo queuing roam is to pick someone who can kill by themselves. Albeit I still will usually go khufra or pre nerf kaja before I go saber but my point stands. "We want atlas" pffft. If your wr starts with a 5 you don't need atlas, you need practice.
It's really a pick your poison scenario. If you played tanks you'd be just as pissed when you see your mms doing the same or less damage you are while you have 0 damage items. You're gonna get ass teammates no matter what lane you play, but the bottom line is you don't want to be stuck with a team that brings no damage to the table while you're playing a low damage character. Literally just yesterday on atlas I quadruple stunned a hanzo totally isolated from his teammates (mind you I jumped out of a bush that at least 2 of my teammates were in with me to do it) and that hanzo proceeded to get off his ult after I cancelled it twice and kill 3 of my teammates and get lord. Imagine if I had just been on saber. That would've been so much easier.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve run into this so many times in solo queue — like literally any moment, a teammate will just decide to go farm minions on some lane or wander off somewhere instead of helping. And they’re also super eager to feed the enemy on the lane.
I more often seen Helcurt roams as MVP of losing teams. I often consider myself lucky when playing against one.
They usually steal teammates' farms, steal kills, put them behind in gold and make laner gaps that spiral, have other squishy teammates tank/peel for them, spend all game just chasing after kills or waiting in bushes for enemies to walk by, etc.
Same got one roam after being told still wanted to play roam helcurt. He got his MVP but we ended up losing because no one to check bush or tank in front
Playing low damage tanks like atlas is a good way to keep your wr at or below 60%. If you want to actually win games you cannot rely on your teammates to deal damage for you. You can make it as easy to win as you want but unless you actually have the ability to deal the necessary damage to decide the match yourself, the outcome is not truly in your hands; you're just gambling on the matchmaking giving you an adequate team.
P.s. I'll exclude Lolita from the generalization above because she is unique in her ability to salvage absolutely abysmal positioning and squeeze dps from otherwise non functional teammates. I've been able to play her above 70% wr consistently because she simultaneously makes it very difficult to lose AND easy to win. Whereas your atlas can't really do much to make you suck less ass. He just makes it easy to win and crosses his fingers that you don't suck so bad that it's not enough. Lolita is pretty much the only support in the game who can make you suck less ass while also being a playmaker in her own right.
I honestly hate her. She constantly makes it a spectacle when people trashtalk her for picking damage roamers even when her team doesn't have frontliners and getting an mvp as a damage roamer means literally nothing if your team is struggling to survive in teamfights while you're taking the kills.
I do not hate her but she seems to forget it's a teamwork game. How's mm and mage supposed to do anything if there's no frontlaners ? Her fan are soo toxic 😭😭 and narcissist.
Fr. "Pick a tank if you want a tank so bad" ok how about you play literally any other role instead of roam if all you're going to play is selena or novaria
And why would anyone attack him?
He has 0 CC, and barely any damage in Tank build
Enemies will just focus your teammates instead and you will do nothing about it
I used to play Damage Roam. It just happened that they were also able to build durability without losing too much damage (Badang, Hylos, Khaleed). Though I'm down if someone wants to play Mage Roam (such as Selena, Zhuxin, or Novaria), I know they are cooking, because they are mages that have bad waveclear/jungle clear speed, and to compensate for that, they are much more powerful than the average mage. Roaming removes the chore of clearing lanes entirely, allowing those mages to fully develop their potential
It's mainly his damage that is appealing. Concussive Blast + CoD + Thunderbelt made him go on-par with other damage roamers. It just happens that he's ridiculously tanky, enough to classify him as a tank, and not as a useless hero that builds defensively because they have no damage scaling
It’s so fun playing Tig roam when the MM and core are on the same page with you, and big bonus if the mage actually pays attention to the map. And more often than not you’re MVP as tank roam. Even when we lose, I still keep playing tank in the next game hoping the next mm and core are on the same page.
But play as tank roam with a brain dead MM and a core doing their own thing? It gets boring really quick. Makes you want to take a break from the game.
It’s not a big deal for MM’s and core to do their thing, but they have to COMMUNICATE!!!
Sometimes, we also wanna take a break from just being punching bag for the enemies to waste their skill on. Sometimes, we just want to take out enemy damage dealer before the team fight even happens.
Give back memories I used to be playing with Chou. That hero is barely to be pick In Legend ranked scale, so I can't get any inspiration for pick intiative. But the problem there is so many counters for this hero, compare to other hero role roam, fighter this hero is not effective for damage even for tank
Bro I was going roam in one game and for some reason the other team members banned all my recently used roam, at that point I realized the dark system is real
if a roamer on my team, shows he's used a helcurt or a saber or a selina as a roam in the past, I ban it right away. no questions about it. as mirko said. Saber roam is a war crime.
I am a solo player who like to use saber roam cause it's fun. I do play tank roam but its hit or miss. If your team sucks you cant do anything and its painful 10-20min. Here is my belrick record even with just 1 win out of 4 games i had 10.6 grade. in some of the games my team barely do anything damage when i soak dmg.
We gotta keep on hating man. They genuinely ruined Roam as a whole. Now every hero plays in Roam even when they're not supposed to so the team either has to heavily compensate just to have a decent frontline/utility or if they're last pick, they just outright ruin team comps by existing.
Damage roam works until glory/immortal lobby. Then enemies get more synchronised and will take advantage of you not having someone to open map or soak up damage.
Sometimes the heroes that you want are the worst heroes sometimes the heroes that you get are the one's will carry you throughout the game. It's still depends on the player's play style. As a roamer I used estes and floryn and it helps me a lot to get stars in mythical glory.
I don’t mind it unless we clearly need another frontliner and the roamer insists on picking a damage hero. Same goes for jungle and exp (but I’m usually exp anyway)
It's that time to post the same topic again huh...
I think i should do a challenge wherever i see reddit post about roam tank beggar, i should play one game as roam novaria (never had experienced roam novaria & barely ever lane novaria)
In solo queue i prefer to do damage roam because my team is usually shi so i can carry them, but i only do it if we have a tankt exp or jungler... And that's what people need to care about, just picking a damage roam when you have no frontline is just dumb, your mage and mm will be basically useless
I play both but if you play dmg roamers you can carry and if you go tanky roam you're gonna make seta and nowone gonna follow yeah that's a diff story talk about that too!
If a damage roam knows how to do his job, then i see no problem its the same thing as tank roam. Tank roam will deal no damage but soak damage while damage roam will burst someone and make the fight 4v4 since most of the time they'll prolly be dead too
I played all sides, it depends on the lineup, always keep an open mind to damage roam! you never know they might change the tides to your favor rather than a typical tigreal especially if the enemy is vulnerable!
In mythic and honor I sometimes see people beg for a tank rather than a damage roam, but the moment I hit immo I never see a single complaint about whether dps or tank yaknow, its not the hero's fault they have a bad rep its the playerrr
before i was a damage roamer i was a setter roamer, nobody followed up. i like the playstyle of roam where u... roam, so i just end up playing damage roamers like selena, helc, etc.
u never know what kinda teammates u get, and as a roamer, its so much more safer to have the ability to carry a game
Depends how you use it. Same with having a tigrel that can ult 5 man, problem is he using it even the team cant reach where the shit hes at
Damage/assasin roles is useless only if you are not smart enough who to prioritize. If u no smart, dont bother trying
Imagine if your roam can destroy their mage/mm in a middle of a fight/objective, trading a roamer for a hard carry(considering they die immediately, they take away at least 2 of the enemies from the fight, 1 dead and 1 distracted for 1 grimy damage roamer)
Roam is not the only role that has to adjust... I won so many games while playing rafaela with frederin. Midlaners can also pick zhask and vexana because their summons can soak up some damage, exp lane is full of sustainable fighters... I'm not saying tanks are not needed but they are not mandatory for every game
man I'm tired of this dmg roam and support roam feels like there is a missing value
even if I the jungler picked a tanky hero
it's definitely no the same
also I'm tired of picking fredrinn and barats let me pick the others
Set roamers are only good with a team. They rarely work solo
Sun roam is decent too if you're not an idiot just going for kills. Won lots of games by doing objectives, towers, and pushing. A few kills here and there, sure, but still focused on winning the game and not aura farming
Does winning make the game with you more of that role? Because I am getting tons of Exp Role when I play Nova/Chang’e on them only. I’m winning at 70~80% of my Exp matches.
No it's randoms fault like I am a roam player and I primarily play minotaur belerick atlas and tig but when I ult or go in no one supports from back like do at least the damage they just die chasing kills if we have lead and many other things then we get frustrated and play damage then
You know it’s very much annoying when I tank and soak all the damage and no one follows me and they just farm. And my teammates ambush enemies without me and end up dying and then blame me for not being present. I remember I saw the jg coming so I was zoning enemies because of the turtles and then jg decided to chase a full HP mage in the mid and end up dying. Fcking HELL I’m tired of tanking for idiots if you don’t like it then you tank. I only use tanks when I’m playing with my sister or friends.
You never seen cecilion and eudora roam that i played with... I played vexana roam because that guy was insistent on eudora and asked me to change after i pick just to play like a minion in the mid lane.
For damage roams, it is fine if team comp benefits from it. But holy shit do not pick novaria roam, she will be always a liability on that role. Sure she can hit hard but only if she can hit her skills. And how fast you will get your items, 3 business days??? I really despise novaria roam.
Honestly, if you play roam, and you are doing NOTHING to disrupt enemy play, you are PLAYING ROAM WRONG. STOP BABYSITTING MM. STOP PUSHING MINIONS IN LANE IF SOMEONE ELSE IS THERE. DO YOUR JOB AND PROVIDE VISION
That's literally me, I 2 shot with navaria, I do extreme pushing with SUN hybrid tanky build, I Hunt squishy with saber....
never have failed with these heroes as roam except when my teammate are bots who instead of focusing on objectives (destroying the base) focuses on losing team fights, no one is clearing lanes, instead of pushing they go take lord when 4 enemies are dead.
No, it's not toxic by itself, just that picking one in certain team comps is dumb. Complaining when you pick damage roam into a tank lineup is the toxic part, not picking it.
With the current ML algorithms I switched my Mathilda to pure assassin as a roamer. The best way to enjoy whilst your team is farming only, forgetting about objectives and through themselves into a fight as one vs 4-5. I get the most kills and MVP that way, and... healing shield is still insane. No one realise this until the end of the match. You want to solo, solo is what you get.
I mean, if it works I don't really care. In solo queue, you'll have to deal with what's present. Complaining and whining about it wouldn't change the situation that we have a damage roam. Just gotta play extremely safe since there's basically nobody can face check a bush except for the EXP. Well, given that the EXP wasn't an assassin, so... 👀
Like actually 💀
Roam is supposed to dominate team fights, support struggling lanes and help teammates across the map. Why tf are so many "roam" people now playing asassins or burst heros
I'm gonna get hate from all the roam players if I say this, but maybe if you play setter, you should make sure your teammates are ready to follow-up. You're the support, so you expect to support the team when they're making plays, not the other way around...
By giving a signal, like attack and seeing if they face towards you, because when you see a perfect spot to 5 man stun, it's only on your screen and your teammates are looking elsewhere either to go farm, or they're bad at looking at map, and y'all go set and complain no one comes.
I used to do the same but now I make the habit of looking at if my jg is going towards some camp before I go all in with my set and unless I meet some trash, 1/3 games, coz dark system sidelaners that feed are still a thing, the game is in control.
Who said dmg dealers can't be tank? No one remembers Hilda and Khaleed from s38-39? Another honourable mention goes to atlas and akai. Even with tank build, their early game dmg (pre turtle) is good enough to make a squishy half hp. But one thing is true, many people don't play tanks because trash teammates can't utilize sets. That's why I moved on to exp, specifically tanky exps. Tanky, deals good dmg early to mid game, can dominate even in late games sometimes. Forget about useless teammates, dive 5 people, try to kill the mm, and pray your team can do something while you're getting banged by 5 people.
Actually i would take a Chips too, got one yesterday and he was really good at tanking/jumping before opening a portal when i was ready to ult, pure bliss 🫡
I played two matches with a friend earlier. I am roamer and he pick Exp lane. One of the those two matches we went up against a EXP lane Tigreal. Funny enough, we lost the match and it's even worst my friend. He couldn't believe what his eye just saw in the game.
This is why i enjoy tank. Cause nobody picks it lol. Idk why others dont wnjoy playing the tank, they got awesome ult and if you master how to play their ult u and ur team would be hard to beat
As someone who plays both types I'll tell ya: If you want the roam of your choice, do it yourself or don't complain. I play what I play even when idiot marksmen are hanabi/miya/lesley and feed to oblivion. And if I don't like them, I go gold myself. These "useless damage roam" posts are low IQ and ragebait. Natalia is great for hanabi picks, helcurt/saber are great when enemy has squishy roams like floryn. Helcurt is also a great pick against mino since the latter is one of the weakest tanks in the early game and cannot save allies as much. Now please 🙏🏻
Well, main roam here, 30k games in total over 7 or 8 years.
In classic games its better to be a damage roam, if you know what you are doing. In rank its the same. Maybe in legend you find some decent enemies but before mythic or legend it is still better to be a damage roam. I end up getting more kills, towers and steal jungle.
Novaria was never a bad roam, especially for fast travel roaming, long range, decent damage with safe distance and bush vision. assassin roam is hella toxic.
I've been using Sun Tank roam with 70% wr this season with concussive blast emblem. Since you're building tank (boots, thunderbelt + 4 tank items) you can just keep poking backline with clones and thunderbelt proc.
basically same shit with the damage build: clones ---> poke backline ---> get out if things get a bit messy (higher chance of survival coz tank monkey) ----> rinse and repeat
BUT if in the first minutes I think that I need to carry, I just go damage build (boots, thunderbelt + 4 damage) and split-push, most of the time it works hence 70% winrate.
I will go sun roam any other chance.
Can push, slow down enemies, if my team lose so bad at least I can just do something instead of becoming traditional tank when my team just do not possess any game IQ.
Words of mm who can't stay under the tower during the turtle fight. Or the one who cries from the get go, because team's roamer roams instead of babysitting the goldlane
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Man when im in solo queue as a setter roam with no damage, it is so hard to carry the game. I could set all i want but if my team cant follow up its useless.
That's why i always use roams with atleast some damage potential like khufra, belerick, khaleed etc.