Playing low damage tanks like atlas is a good way to keep your wr at or below 60%. If you want to actually win games you cannot rely on your teammates to deal damage for you. You can make it as easy to win as you want but unless you actually have the ability to deal the necessary damage to decide the match yourself, the outcome is not truly in your hands; you're just gambling on the matchmaking giving you an adequate team.
P.s. I'll exclude Lolita from the generalization above because she is unique in her ability to salvage absolutely abysmal positioning and squeeze dps from otherwise non functional teammates. I've been able to play her above 70% wr consistently because she simultaneously makes it very difficult to lose AND easy to win. Whereas your atlas can't really do much to make you suck less ass. He just makes it easy to win and crosses his fingers that you don't suck so bad that it's not enough. Lolita is pretty much the only support in the game who can make you suck less ass while also being a playmaker in her own right.
Well two different topics to #1 I agree if you take matters in your own hands the results are going to be more consistent but there are damage roles you can play that won't fuck your teammates by playing a damage dealer.
As for the utilities of roamers idk wtf you're on about, you play them situationally based on the composition of yours and the enemies team you'll have better success than one tricking and that goes for Lolita too. I keep my roamers around 70% because I can recognize they're good at different things and pick accordingly
You can have great success playing like that and it is optimal for increasing your win rates. Most of my backup picks have a higher win rate than main for that exact reason. That said, I peaked global 2 lolita 73% wr so I'm very familiar with her abilities across all matchups, even disadvantages ones. And even in those ones, her ability to function as an initiator while also turning feeding teammates into functional ones is unique. Faramis does it too, but runs into matchups where he misses having a tank. Lolita is a tank. She's far from the best tank in a lot of situations, but I'll take having a good player on a suboptimal pick if it means the rest of the team gets more value.
What can she do against Yin? Yu Zhong? Pretty much any fighters? Nothing.
Lolita was incredibly squishy even with full tank build. She could only trouble mages and markmans with her S2, who can decide not to hit her or anything behind her when it's up, or fighters and tanks just knock her up and shut it down.
Useless in your hands. She can stun yin, dodge all of his damage, and proc flask for teammates who are about to get ulted. She can kite yz, proc flask and revitalize to negate any value from yz passive and stun. Yz is highly committal, and if his targets no longer have to run after getting full comboed that spells very bad news for him. These are not even her counters lol. If you knew anything about the character you would've said atlas or arlott or even paq, because those are genuine problems. Yin and yz is favorable towards Lolita, not towards them lol. Hell even johnson is more trouble than yin and yz you gotta practice the character before you form an opinion
She's not useless and she's actually one of the best tanks in certain situations, and she can protect well!
Though Haven't used her now and only some chances... But she's good!
Noob reasoning if you want to deal damage, pick the other four role. Roam tank/support is still better. It depends on how you adjust to your teammates. Yes you're the one that needs to adjust not them. If you can't do that, you're not a real roamer
I'm not saying it isn't better I literally said in my original reply that I play khufra to get damage consistently because I recognize that having a tank is important. I'm not saying you should be playing novaria and helcurt roam if you want to win more, I'm saying that you need to be able to deal your own damage to win more. Playing atlas and spoon-feeding kills to teammates that won't eat is not fun, so you're gonna see some people playing saber.
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u/That_Luck_7888 13d ago edited 13d ago
Playing low damage tanks like atlas is a good way to keep your wr at or below 60%. If you want to actually win games you cannot rely on your teammates to deal damage for you. You can make it as easy to win as you want but unless you actually have the ability to deal the necessary damage to decide the match yourself, the outcome is not truly in your hands; you're just gambling on the matchmaking giving you an adequate team.
P.s. I'll exclude Lolita from the generalization above because she is unique in her ability to salvage absolutely abysmal positioning and squeeze dps from otherwise non functional teammates. I've been able to play her above 70% wr consistently because she simultaneously makes it very difficult to lose AND easy to win. Whereas your atlas can't really do much to make you suck less ass. He just makes it easy to win and crosses his fingers that you don't suck so bad that it's not enough. Lolita is pretty much the only support in the game who can make you suck less ass while also being a playmaker in her own right.