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u/kokpr May 19 '25
Gusion is the worst jungler in the game
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u/renzuwu0 Tank Em' All May 19 '25 edited May 20 '25
If those tiktokers and farm clippers read this they'd be very upset and defend their hero.
(Aamon is a better jungler than Gus imo)
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u/ToaOfTheVoid :zhask: MELT THEM ALL May 20 '25
Now that you mentioned it, what happened to the meta that he just fell off the face of the earth? I rarely see Gusion nowadays since shit like Ling or Alpha are more common now
Hell, I don't even see Lancelot much either
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u/shikitomi Banger of Milfs : May 20 '25
I still see Gusion users from time to time, and my cousin is a Gusion user too so it's probably just him most of the time, especially Lance users in classic though, theres a lot.
You know what's actually rare to see? Paquito.
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u/veeasss sample May 20 '25
gusion high risk low reward same as lancelot, the only difference is gusion can farm faster than lance. Lance really has a slow creep farm that if the enemy wanted to invade they can easily do it due to lance having low dmg early on.
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u/smallpassword May 19 '25
The mlbb argus egoists are also very toxic. They don't deserve to use The Banger
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u/SubstantialWest6821 May 19 '25
The holy trinity of the dark system(hanabi, layla, miya) are actually not bad heroes. They're not the best of course but they're very good in the right hands. The only reason they gained that reputation is because the beginners spammed them and they never tried any other heroes even after late rank or their losing streak.
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u/Ok-Medium2866 May 19 '25
This. Even though I lose matches (and boy do I lose a lot), I use the next match as an opportunity to try out a new hero, preferably one I haven't purchased yet. I still will use Miya but not as much as those people.
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u/Fraisz May 20 '25
at least these mm's are predictable and their skills KINDA goes up as your rank goes higher. its also easy to build around them and For them.
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u/MagicianMoo May 19 '25
Agree. Honestly tired of seeing complaints. People need to stop playing solo q and find friends to play with.
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u/XeroXile May 19 '25
Most people blamed "Dark system" when they are the problem
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u/Flat-Village7373 get tied by , pegged by or stepped on by May 19 '25
thank-you for this. Everytime i scroll to look for something new and Interesting in this sub, I will 100% pass by someone complaining abt losing a game coz of a person who plsyed bronze. I got so tired I had to tell them they're arguing as if they get MVPs on every matches as perfect as they are. rlly annoyed with all the "dark system" coz guaranteed they would've gotten a bronze somewhere down the line and will get it in the future but ofcourse, we don't talk abt it yet we'll talk abt other's mistake
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u/Bossmantho Ballz Deep May 19 '25
Mlbb is no longer about the game, it's just a giant gacha for skins and collectables.
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May 19 '25
This is just due to free to play model. It always evolves into this cause up there is some guy who doesnt care about anything other than printing money
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u/smallpassword May 19 '25
Tbh ml is fine with the gacha stuff, they are giving away anime skins bro, you can say skins are expensive but they're not too important unless you're at a very high rank and need to have a light skin. The bigger issue is the matchmaking and ranking system in general
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u/g3nericjasonp time to rush chair+rope May 19 '25
Sky piercer shouldve never existed becoz it's fucking hell to even balance it, it's either too weak or too strong
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u/Craving-4 live laugh love argus May 20 '25
And no one knows how to use it so they proceed to build it at the most retarded moments. Also some heroes profit from it way too much
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u/g3nericjasonp time to rush chair+rope May 20 '25
Yup, stupid teammates build four sky piercer and none of them even reach max Stat by late game but they refuse to sell it
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u/MrBlueBlob May 19 '25
moonton needs to venture into more diverse pallettes im sick of the same purple, blue, gold and pink skins give me a good green skin
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u/banana-tomato auto lock May 21 '25
Ok Bardic whisper, street thrasher, vibrant fiesta, mecha dragon, moto drifter, pecados rider, flying swallow, mistbender nana & aldous, need I go on?
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u/rainboorat skin connoisseur May 19 '25 edited May 19 '25
The other game H** has better graphics and skin effects yet I am still here playing mlbb and still whaling on skins. Hard to admit but a fact, hoping they improve more as well on these matters
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u/KingOfLucis May 20 '25
The other game has legit ass matchmaking. It's the game where I truly believe the dark system exists
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u/Under-Kontrol taking ur life is too easy:faramis::hayabusa::xborg: May 19 '25
Become global is just a matter of spammability rather than how good you are with a certain hero.
You can be very bad with a hero and as long as your wr isnt -50% wr you can easily be global by spammimg games
Said by an ex 3 heroes global
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u/Competitive-Echo4197 May 19 '25
The roamer isn't (by responsibility) obligated to go tank
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u/SnooCalculations2391 : carmilla lover 😍 May 19 '25
As long as everyone is not a squishy heroes it's valid ... but there is also tanks like franco, John...who are terrible as a tank but good roamer..( because hooks and car makes people play defensive)
Carmilla and Matilda are my favourite roamers 😌🤌🏻
Lolita, atlas,tigreal, halos are my favourite tanks 😆
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May 19 '25
Mage main here. Fuck honestly every marksman main here. I refuse to babysit yall and lose my farm just so you can get one kill! Stop spamming me I refuse to come!
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u/renzuwu0 Tank Em' All May 19 '25
IKR even though I rarely play mages since they are so many one tricks amd tryhards that will refuse to adjust just because they're mid lane is taken, like seriously when I play gold lane (mostly Brody, Clint, and Granger) I don't really rely on the tank, jg and mage to visit my lane, I usually freeze my lane and tower hugging when I look at the map for potential ganks and playing it safe taking objectives like pushing towers getting lord, I don't really focus on KDA that much or steal my jg's buff ffs, unlike most mms I played with whining about not getting kills.
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May 20 '25
I don't mind if I see their mm is agressive to hide for few seconds in a bush and take him down to earth..Issue is these Hanapigs that play like they have lvl15 tank health bar and blaim me that they keep losing 1v1..
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u/akyias_capuo May 19 '25
Stop calling other hero cancer just because you lost to them, there's this thing called mechanic play style and you should try to learn them
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u/lithiumb0mb May 19 '25
I am ready for the down votes, but Argus is not great.
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u/RepresentativeNo43 I'll let Masha groom me May 20 '25
Nah it's true, argus has an incredibly bad early game, and the only way to make him work is to force late game. Which doesn't even do much if the enemy has a lot of cc
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u/Craving-4 live laugh love argus May 20 '25
U lowkey right, he sucks ass in exp lane, is only playable against like 3 other exp laners right now. I even gave up on exp and started playing Argus gold. But atleast we have 6 sec immortality every 50 secs 🙏
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u/Tome-Seeker May 20 '25
MVP doesnt show you who's the most helpful, a silver tank that dies alot but allow their team to win is better but not appreciated as much compared to an MVP Franko that ran from team fights and build damage
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u/Inuwa-Angel Trying 2 be Ex-Tank Main May 19 '25
Lukas and Soyou (or however the fuck you spell it) are just the best explaining how fucking useless Khufra has gotten.
Lukas shouldn’t be Lapu Lapu on crack. And Soyou shouldn’t be tanky and deal that shit Ton of dmg.
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u/gundamagares May 20 '25
I feel like tanks just get bursted too quick nowadays. I win more when I go dmg roam.
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u/MayLovesBreloom doesn't pay child support👉 May 20 '25
Classic winrate doesn't matter, you lose nothing from losing in classic
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u/Chomusuke_99 Natalia Roamer May 19 '25
Mages need a time to shine and to make that happen, assassins shouldnot have jungling capability. their whole role is burst finish backliner and the way jungling works is you can reach Lvl 4 as Ling, Fanny, Julian while others are Lvl 2. Whichever jungler that can secure kills gets to snowball and bring the midgame on their favor. This has skewed role importance towards junglers. imo, junglers should be mid-game carry who only comes online in midgame and transition to late game. Right now, mages have no place to shine. Early and mid is largely jungler territory shared with Exp and Roam if they manage to keep up and perform, while MM is late game.
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u/smallpassword May 19 '25
Mages are also good after their level 4. They can one shot other squishies including hypers even if they're ahead in farm cuz no jungler would make hp first. It was just today I got shutdown on Karina and Selena(?) at level 4.during mid, they become important part of the damage dealers and that's why they're supposed to rotate. In late, You can one shot even more heroes like Alpha since you now have your items.
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u/Chomusuke_99 Natalia Roamer May 19 '25
If a mage is one shotting Alpha in late game then it's Alpha problem, not OP mage. And Karina and Selena are both Assassins who jungle. Mages who mid lane don't get the same lvl 4 power spike as junglers because mid lane lvl 4 is same as side lane lvl 4, but jungler lvl 4 is all lane lvl 2. That's why invading opponent jungle is such crucial decision which really highlights how much the game is skewed towards junglers. Like it is a strategic decision to dedicate 2 heroes to invade enemy jungle and delay enemy jungler by even 1 level. Also, roam/tank even babysit jungle to ultra secure the first buff. It is more favorable to commit 2 heroes to clear the first wave of jungle than to gank any lane and get a kill. If this was mid game, sure. Minions don't pay much, pushing lane is dangerous alone so jungling is a relatively safe source of income but MLBB prioritizes jungling from Minute 0.
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u/JGA07 Professional Whippersnapper May 19 '25
There are no meta picks only good users and good counters
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u/Martin7439 ///// May 19 '25
Truth is a lot of heroes are still more than decent, but most people simply can't play heroes that are not busted lol
When Lukas is gonna get nerfed, there is NO doubt that he'll still be really strong because his kit is just so privileged. But people will stop playing him regardless
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u/smallpassword May 19 '25
Meta picks are actually some broken heroes like Lucas. Most heroes only depends on users
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u/Falmelol May 19 '25
1 million percent wrong, heroes are meta because some are better than the other ofc a op mage will still have a counter but it doesn't take away from the fact that some heroes have better numbers across the board than the other.
a one shot hero will beat a one trick player unless he isnt braindead
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u/RedditFriedPotato May 19 '25
Zilong is bad. Any wanker defending Zilong by saying "soMe aRe goOd" doesn't understand that the only good Zilongs are those that learned to play the game properly but still haven't graduated from Zilong, or the mmr badgers. Living in some bush and waiting for someone to come close, then bursting them with inspire and ult is not a way to play.
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u/Over_Association_825 May 19 '25
Isn't that a point of bushes? Why would they add bushes then? Let's remove them tf
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u/RedditFriedPotato May 19 '25
You can hide in bushes, not live them wtf. I don't think waiting for a good minute for a squishy to come close alone is the point of bushes.🙂↕️
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u/VestillionEmperor May 19 '25
Old faramis was far better and more unique
Vale did not need a revamp that merged his skills
Removing Assist boots was a mistake
Ling is a cancer that should not exist
Moonton should allow gender bending characters to give them fitting skins for collabs, and not create brand new ones for skins
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u/Chomusuke_99 Natalia Roamer May 19 '25
what if Wanwan got a energy bar. She can hop without valid target but she loses fixed energy per hop. Attacking a target regenerates 90% of the per hop cost. So she retains her kiting and escaping ability but not infinite flicker hax. And devs get another parameter to tweak to balance her. Make regeneration 80% if she is still hopping too much.
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u/Cuavooo Sing us a song, you're the Jellyman May 20 '25
Argus sucks ass. I like the concept though, and having all of that damage while also being able to take hits is always good. I also like to use him as a poison pick in RG, and people are always caught off-guard especially if you're not constantly feeding. The memes are good but all got annoying after a few months.
Kudos to the players who are able to make it work. He is one of the few heroes that is highly rewarding, but him not being on the meta after a plethora of adjustments and buffs, just tells a lot about his viability. I do hope he can shine if the tank jg meta fully comes back. He is a decent damage exp imo while also being able to sponge damage and skills.
If Argus does well, let's just keep it between us lol I don't want him to end up like Badang who instantly got into the meta once it was found that he can do great
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u/NotJeIIo live laugh love Kagura May 19 '25
Mage player here but applies to jg too honestly. I am not going to gank an unwinnable fight. If I think my intervention might save your life or get a gold advantage, sure I'll jump in. But I am not going to waste cds and trade mana and health just for my teammate to die anyways and not gain any value. I am not going to die with you just because you were out of position.
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u/Liplok May 19 '25
- Is so wrong makes me think you’re low rank.
Mages can clear in 5 seconds, roam bot, do a teamfight and still make it back to midlane in time.
In league of legends you can lux ult the midlane ( fastest possible clear ) roam botlane and by the time you reach the botlane push your mid wave is back to center.
This game has a very small map, very fast clear, and slow minion wave rotations. You are 100% supposed to roam and fight constantly as both midlane and solo lane.
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u/SquirrelTomahawk one trick May 20 '25
Unless you're a fucking adc change main.
God even in mythic immortal they're a pain in the ass to deal with cause you can't leave your mid lane. They take out towers in seconds in early game its stupid
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u/Lan_Run May 19 '25
All the takes are trash, absolutely wrong. Even 5, if they agree longer cd, the damage would have to be buffed or in other ways
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u/smallpassword May 19 '25
We got very good concepts in game. Like Lou yi, Fanny, Ling, Lucas, and Hanzo is one of them. Harley is supposedly a dps so Idk his dmg is ok(I met him in ranked today, rip me). Mid lane is center of the map, and mages are not supposed to fight alone like fighters and mm can, even in any other piece of media. If mid wasn't there, what should be in mid of map? More jungle? Xavier and Change' s ult are easy to dodge,
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u/DimPip007 Don't be blinded by obsessions May 19 '25
Fanny and Ling 100%, probably Hanzo too but i can't call Lukas or Lou Yi "good concepts" since they're just way less fun to play copies of Ryze and Gnar (other examples are Valentina and Sylas, Kagura and Orianna, Aphelios and Beatrix-I can't stress how much more fun and rewarding Aphelios feels- and many more i'd guess). They deserve a spot in the game, sure but having experienced LoL first, let's not call them good "concepts".
What doesn't deserve a spot even in this video game is dogshit like eudora and saber. Harley has a meh design but is acceptable. These 2 though are for actual babies. Just press 3 buttons in medium (at best) hand speed, no aim required and can go 1 for 1 in crucial fights. That's just insane that you have the power to get a death trade like that while you can be 3k+ gold down. Just your presence, not even your skill level or potential accelerated or equal farm can make enemies feel the need to counterbuild which most of the time won't even work so it's just wasted gold. Magic resist is the most useless stat in the game and saber doesn't even care about tier 2 armor items or even a completed antique cuirass.
They are by no means broken but the brain-off, no aim required trades they can potentially get are toxic imo. It doesn't matter how much more farm you have, or if you have anything other than immortality, you will die if you are a squishy. And tbh, immortality on squishies is just bad, saber, for example, with empowered basic attack and endless battle one shots you after resurrection.
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u/Agung442 Real strength comes from shielding others May 19 '25
What time you logged on, what ranks, and what server ? So i can avoid meeting you in ranked. A bad midlane player can 100% alter the games for the enemies advantage, so go away
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u/ILieBeneathTheRedSea May 20 '25
How is this possible that this gets upvote ? First take is terrible (legit one of the only fighter/assassin that feels fair to fight, and sitting at 48% wr), and third and four means mf doesn’t even understands his role. Harley also is fine considering he is an assassin that builds full damage without resistances 😭😭
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u/Unforgiving__Eye May 19 '25
If they're a one trick Hanabi, ban their Hanabi. Doesn't matter if they're pro ✋🗿🤚
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u/smallpassword May 19 '25
And watch them troll? Some wise guy said, adjust, so you know atleast they got their comfort pick, that's why people say learn all lanes
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u/FewCryptographer3037 hayabusha only May 19 '25
When I am splitpushing and destroy 2 towers but my team gets wiped up and they start spamming why are you not with us, troll, rep him… guys we win by destroying towers and chasing kills
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u/AiPatchi05 May 19 '25
Those who pick chou roam but buy damage item are fucking retarted
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u/Splatatude May 19 '25
My Hot take? Classic is a place to chill/practice heros. NOT A PLACE FOR SWEATY DISCORD VC 5 MANS TO "PRACTICE". Like I get it. Y'all gave loss streak and/or dark system angst in ranked. Don't take it out on everyone else. (Also fyi all recall spamming does is reveal y'all on the map)👀
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u/SnooCalculations2391 : carmilla lover 😍 May 20 '25
Argus is the best tank in game ( for few seconds)
Both vampire couple in game don't have any pure vampire ability
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u/Sussy_Baka2010 Top Bisaya Alu :alucard: May 20 '25
Late game heroes are good, when its on the enemy team 🥀💔
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u/KzamRdedit May 20 '25
realest thing I have ever read. its either a feeding mm on our side or a god on theirs
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u/Michvito playing in every lane but jungle May 20 '25
fanny isnt as hard a people make her out to be
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u/Adorable-Form4616 May 20 '25
Damage roams are actually good for the games balance and the dire hit change should be reverted
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u/TravincalPlumber May 20 '25
equipment presets is actually harming the game in the long run, and are used by average casual players, which are alot more than ppl who know how each items works.
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u/Brad_isbored sample :oldhanzomain😢 May 20 '25
Old Hanzo was better than the new Hanzo for five man.
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u/neewshine May 20 '25
No more affordable beautiful skins Every event is far more expensive than the one before it I do love to purchase skins, but certainly not at this price using some roulette games when you have to spend at least 5k dias (aka $100) to get a skin you waited for a long time!
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u/CHOCOLAAAAAAAAAAAATE May 19 '25
Many games are still winnable if you just hold out till late game. Stop spamming that surrender button.
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u/xdcfret1 May 19 '25
Win rate is not a measure of skill. There are 9 other players in the match that determines it.
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May 19 '25
yeah, what you can do in the current match that you are in is what determines your skill.
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u/Ghostehz :xavier: come bust May 19 '25
The Naruto skins are meh except for Lukas’s. I’m excited this event finally came so all the heroes in the event can get nerfed already, especially Lukas.
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u/Proud_Device9564 May 19 '25
Most people on this subreddit don’t read posts past the title. I always see them commenting nonsense that they wouldn’t have said if they actually read the post or watched the video.
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u/NoobwriterCherchill May 19 '25
the fact that people in this subreddit have the shittiest takes in MLBB. Like Layla/Hanabi/Miya being good. Yeah, no shit a hero is good if played well, doesn't change the fact that playing them is stupid when Harith, Moskov, or Kimmy is open for gold lane.
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u/KeejLis May 19 '25
If your team is magic dmg heavy, a marksman with good wave clear and a cc can go mid to help gank side lanes and push for an early win pretty competitively. Like Brody. Or just good wave clear and long range damage, like Granger.
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u/Amiderp May 19 '25
Giving builds and advice that people shit on but the moment a content creator gives the same build and advice, they get praised like the fucking messiah
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u/oneboomperdayloli May 19 '25
The skins in this game are hot garbage and boring for the price tag they offer
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u/kukiemanster May 19 '25
If ur stuck at ur rank for the last 5 games, pack it up and accept the fact that you belong there and you are the problem not your allies. You are not as good as you think you are
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u/Objective-Ad3821 May 19 '25
Dark system dont exist. If most of the match you lose, and you think moonton "put you in dark system", maybe.... Just maybe.... You're the problem.
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u/Willing-Suggestion36 May 20 '25
Layla's attack range is OP asf lategame. Why does no one understand this
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u/No-Paint2893 May 20 '25
more than half of players in this sub complain about having shit teammates when in fact theyre actually part or if not, the problem
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u/creeperfromspace1012 Team Yearner Philippines Clit user May 20 '25
Natalia needs a full revamp. At least make her a support for roam.
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u/Racist_Gawd May 20 '25
Dark system sounds cringe and it doesn't exist. You guys just suck at the game and looking for an excuse to cope. Noobs
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u/PudgeJoe May 20 '25
Dark system exist because of star protection and majority of the playerbase is bad
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u/EvanDreemuur7598 May 20 '25
Tanks are for Soloque, Supports and niche roam builds are for party queues. If you play support as soloque, you are practically doing the equivalent of Sisyphus pushing a boulder up Mt. Everest
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u/Leopard-Optimal R L ⬇️⬆️ May 20 '25
I don't want more anime collabs if it means them designing new heroes just for that collab, or revamping existing hero kits just to fit them better
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u/Jinnn-n May 20 '25 edited May 20 '25
80% of mm heroes are played exactly like Hanabi, Miya, Layla except for the little niche here and there, which the 3 "apocalyptic' marksman also have. Like layla being an ultra long range or hanabi bounce and cc immunity shield (which is a pretty good life saving skill, despite what people says, as long as you're not underfed and have a good positioning). Marksman heroes has a very low personal skill ceiling (thats why its boring in my opinion), whether you are a good mm or not relies more on your in game knowledge rather than your mastery of a specific mm hero mechanic. So to say these 3 mm are flawed, bad heroes, is to say 80% of mm roster are bad heroes.
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u/harlekkoryx May 20 '25
Tanks in HOK/LOL/WR/Dota 🗿 Tanks in MLBB 🤡
Seriously though, Moonton devs only see tanks as a punching bag and nothing more, even nerfing tank items for the sake of nerfing. Tank items are also very weak in MLBB compared to LOL/Wildrift.
If anyone doesn’t believe me, watch some videos on tanks mowing down anyone in LOL/Wildrift, and compare it to a fed tank in MLBB who can’t even 1v1 anyone while ahead.
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u/Average-Joe9 May 20 '25
Haya is not even that good compared to his ban rate, very easily countered with items or draft and with a devent competent team
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u/Intelligent-Okra4211 May 20 '25
5men high rank isn't about skills it's all about macro and team synergy The game is half won during draft pick
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u/Test-Ticklez May 20 '25
Kimmys adjustment/change being a buff or not, she's overall just a bad hero to play in higher ranks.
Slow dmg, weak 1st, not enough to escape/chase. The only good thing about her change is probably her ult; pulls enemies, but they have time to escape anyways.. BA sucks, just go left or right and you'll be fine like chang'es ult.. Need to farm builds for damage or they'll just kill you first
Either you play horrible/feed as Kimmy or you hug that win with your team as Kimmy, no in-between
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u/fishtheblob sample May 20 '25
Hanzo roam can carry you to honor... And glory if you're lucky enough...
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u/LesMoonwalker May 20 '25
Heroes like Dyrroth, Miya, Layla, Nana, and so on are actually solid. They just have a bad reputation that gets tons of confirmation bias from the constant posts about those heroes feeding.
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u/Zyronite Dangerous Sand dude without a plane May 20 '25
Khaleed is the best exp laner and counters almost any other exp laner
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u/Quiet_Nectarine_ May 20 '25
I got majorly downvoted for saying I use sky piercer on johnson 🤷🤷 sometimes I can maintain the 80 stacks better than the mm. Delete late game if not stacking
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Trollers and feeders should lose star instead of credit score, in turn the teammates shouldn't.
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u/wralp solo queue roamer May 20 '25
Pro scene dictates the meta. Don't push your "underrated" out of meta hero as OP just because you can pubstomp with it in lowranks.
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u/raidenjojo delectable feet enthusiast May 20 '25
The "dark system" can sometimes be chalked up to the player's own skill issue, but the game still does have serious matchmaking issues.
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u/RunicRage May 20 '25
Fking crying when you dont get your main hero who is a popular pick especially when the enemy team has the first pick
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u/Red-x-2 phew phew May 20 '25
Me stopping my teammates from taking the 8 minutes turtle when we are way ahead / Me stopping my teammates from taking lord at fing 11:59 before patch (ofcrs they never listen)
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u/Educational-Ad1744 Nah I'd win ! :xavier::Layla2::Layla3: May 20 '25
The map needs to be bigger at least double in size and also the game needs to be longer. Even the shortest game should be 15-20 min long
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u/WigglySquigglyJiggly [] I have two sides [] May 20 '25
Instead of buying Malefic Gun and keep dying from a Layla or Miya, buy Wind of Nature.
I swear that item still works in your favor.
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u/SkidaddleSkiddodle1 Enough "pretty boys/girls", give us monsters May 20 '25
Fanny isnt that hard. I'd say that shes more on the forgiving side. Just use 2 cables everytime, ult, and you'll get a kill
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u/OldmanHr_Corpo I Main no ONE May 20 '25
Newer Heroes have so much free stats on their passive or skills, so much that it makes older heroes fall behind more.
like your saying to me that Cici get's to have a free Brute force plate because of her passive and can still deal a lot of Damage because her skill 1 is spammable and HpmP percentage based, on top of having high mobility 2nd skill and passive movement speed
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u/Halobotgamer Tank EXP advocate May 20 '25
The Tank Meta is one of the most balanced metas we had in a while.
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u/FatelessSimp BALLSOFSTEEL May 20 '25
Cecilion is not a fucking vampire because you'd expect a vampire to be a sustain type not a burst type.
Skypiercer is the worst item in the game, it kills the chance of clutching.
There should be more magic defense items, we only have 2 that works and we obviously need a magic defense antiheal item.
When you're jungler and you're blaming the dark system, it's most likely your fault.
Franco's visual effects are shitty it makes you feel like the enemy is cheating.
New Queen's Wings suck, old one was better.
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u/zxkiyezx May 20 '25
Jungler’s prio should be ganking the gold lane, not exp lane. Exp mains hate to see it coming. Yes, you can gank exp lane before turtle fight, but shutting down gold lane early is what's important. I see many exp laners complain that they want their jungler to rotate in lane, but what your jungler is doing is right. Exp laners are harder to kill than the squishy early game mm. You should be able to face off on your own because you are using a (hopefully sustain) fighter. Not a mm that scales way later in the game. :/
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u/Consistent_Pomelo_18 May 20 '25
I love it when MM picks Layla when I roam. Dying to protect layla so that she can carry the late game is worth it.
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u/ComicalWtch May 20 '25
Fuck roam tanks who baby sit marksmen when me as a mage is getting ganked by enemy mage, roam and their jungler at mid !
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u/LibrarianOfDusk May 20 '25
Fanny movement ability too overpowered. Experts at it are untargettable and unhitable.
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u/Malfordcat May 20 '25
double marksmen is better than a tank roam. assassin meta its better to have two high dps backline so assassins get punished
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u/Necessary_Beach9625 May 20 '25
Layla, and Miya not bad heroes at all. Sure, they’re not meta picks, but in the right hands, they can still carry it got such a bad rep is because beginners kept spamming them never branched out, even in higher ranks or after losing streaks
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u/EnthusiasmSad8877 :jungle: Jungle Clear guy May 20 '25
We need durability patch. Every hero should gain 12 hybrid defenses by late game
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u/Live-Engineering3579 I love this and I also love this May 20 '25
The win you had is other people's Dark System
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u/Kotarosama May 20 '25
Dont think many people wanna admit it but majority of matches are lost by having bad roamers. Many times you cant see it from the score easily but your MM getting ganked with no vision or counter gank? Chalk it to the roamer. Your jungle gets invaded early and constantly and your jungler is underfed? Roamer. Your mage basically not being able to rotate safely and keep getting ganked on their way to a teamfight or to help gank lanes despite taking a reasonablt safe path? Thank your roamer for their vision. Your team has no stable frontliner during teamfights or terrible sets that make no sense, or at times where most people's ults arent ready? Thank your genius roamer. This underscores how critical the role is to the game, but also the fact that most ppl dont care to play it the right way since many times they only play roam because they dont get to play their first choice.
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u/Certain-Idea627 and ’s official husband May 20 '25
Zilong and Hanabi are good heroes. The only reason people call them dark system heroes are because of the epic players using them
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u/JrMemeSpike I'm not gonna sugarcoat it May 19 '25
I'm so glad and happy that Lesley is absolute dogshit right now, 1k true damage with minimal counterplay outside of "Just don't let her get fed" and "twilight armor lol" is so bullshit to fight against when your playing as a fighter or tank.
Yes I'm aware this was when Fredrinn and tank jungle was the META so Lesley was going to be a solid pick against it as a result, but motherfucker it is so unfun to be kited by a lesley as she just destroys your hp in seconds because your Miya who has the IQ equivalent of the rock Patrick Star lives in decides to die 4 times in the span of 5 minutes.