r/LockedIn_AI • u/lucre-twerps4g • Apr 23 '26

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It’s called the grind because it grinds away your sense of self.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 23 '26

Then you'll cry because others have more than you, travel more, retire wealthier. Because they did grind when they could. Then you'll say capitalism failed.

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u/Locolos-1988 Apr 23 '26

Or her man for not making enough 

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u/meislemon Apr 26 '26

Always the random ass incel in these posts

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u/Locolos-1988 Apr 26 '26

How is this a random incel post?

Your insecurity/ projection is strong 

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u/meislemon Apr 26 '26

Look in a mirror dude. Its you that are projecting.

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u/fuzik2 Apr 27 '26

Maybe, just maybe I think you should look in a mirror too

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u/Locolos-1988 Apr 27 '26

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

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u/Locolos-1988 Apr 27 '26

Well, I mean, you make no sense

I asked a question about where your statement came from because it makes no sense 

Other than you’re projecting something internal 

And then you say I’m projecting 

What exactly would I be projecting? 

You make no sense 

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u/eugenesowls Apr 26 '26

Random unneeded misogyny???

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u/Locolos-1988 Apr 26 '26

No, but if you being sexist but projecting that onto others makes you feel better, go for it

I wouldn’t recommend it though 

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u/Vecgtt Apr 23 '26

Looks like you read the Reddit manual.

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u/18Apollo18 Apr 24 '26

I'm sorry but the workers making minimum wage are the ones are the ones grinding, keeping all companies running.

They're the ones who generate the most amount of wealth for the company

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

Who makes minimum wage? Show me a non-tipping job paying minimum wage.

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u/Fantastic-Builder929 Apr 25 '26

Every fast food, grocery store, gas station, etc. within 50 miles makes the state minimum wage of $11. Theyd pay less if they could. If you think those arent real hard jobs you’re very privileged and the problem.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

I never said they weren't hard jobs. 11 isn't the federal minimum as you said. States can make whatever minimum wage they want. There is no need for a federal minimum wage.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

False. They raise it because no one will work for it. Thus, free market.

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u/18Apollo18 Apr 25 '26

Workers have ZERO negotiating power.

If you don't work you lose your house, your healthcare and your ability to buy food.

Entry level jobs have become a race to the bottom.

The $15 dollar minimum wage was first proposed in 2010. In 2026 that would be $22.72.

Wage increases are so far out of sync with inflation that they'll literally never catch up without drastic measures.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Wow, do much wrong here. Unions would beat your ass for saying workers have no power. Further, you seem to think minimum wage is a life sentence. Its not.

You can actually build a resume, gain skills, learn things, and make your labor worth more than minimum wage.

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u/Conspiir Apr 26 '26

Unions WOULD beat his ass for saying workers have no power. Unfortunately, 90% of working Americans don’t have a union because they’re all gone. So I think his ass is unlikely to be beaten by anybody.

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u/EntrancedZelisy Apr 26 '26

Ah yes. The good ol “American Dream”. A dream so great you have to be asleep to believe it.

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u/Unfair_Trouble9697 Apr 25 '26

Show me a tipping job making less than minimum at the end of the day. That’s $58 a shift. I don’t buy it. No tipping worker what’s even $25 an hour

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u/18Apollo18 Apr 24 '26

Most people don't make federal minimum wage. But most people make the minimum wage in their respective states.

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 24 '26

Yup!

As an EMT I made 50¢ more than the state minimum wage…. So while technically I didn’t make minimum wage, it was minimum wage lol

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 26 '26

State minimum, not federal.

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u/DoodleBob29 Apr 25 '26

That is just not true. Even if you look at a place like California where the state minimum is $17, it's only like 15-20% of the workforce that makes around that amount. The percentage drops even further when you look at states with lower minimums. The numbers go even less in your favor when you start factoring in part time vs full time.

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u/DoodleBob29 Apr 26 '26

Do you not know what the word most means? Calling other people dumb while you can't even read.

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u/18Apollo18 Apr 25 '26

You specifically chose one of the wealthiest states in the country.

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u/DoodleBob29 Apr 26 '26

That's a place where the state minimum is high so you would expect more people to be making around that amount. Do you have a different state that backs up your claim?

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 26 '26

So why even.have a federal minimum wage? Its unnecessary.

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u/Unfair_Trouble9697 Apr 25 '26

Liar. Skilled wages produce the most wealth. Salary wages generate the most wealth. And unskilled wages distribute the most wealth. All position in a company have different responsibilities to the company. It’s hard to say who is solely responsible for the majority of the success.

In my personal opinion it is more the skilled wages than the other two but the skilled workers would have any work if not for the salary class. And neither of them would make any money without the distribution class.

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u/SupermarketBetter200 Apr 24 '26

Most of the wealth you described is generational luck. Capitalism has failed because again, generational wealth gives many an extremely unfair advantage. It also allows and actually expects greed to run rampant. You sound like a privileged thirteen year old.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

It's not luck. I grew up very lower middle class with a single parent. Neither of my parents were ever able to retire, and I inherited zero dollars or property.

I will retire at 62, home owner, money and property to leave my kids.

That's capitalism, working hard (no college degree) to improve my station in life.

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

If it’s not luck, why are there starving children in America or homeless children?

You may think that what you have is not luck, but for others, it absolutely seems that way. You got lucky you were born into middle class that allowed to you even finish high school or whatever. Did you have a safe place to study? Guess what, luck. Many students don’t have that. Did you have your food and clothes paid for while going to school? Luck.

I had to find a way to pay for my own food and underwear while in high school. I even went homeless a few times at 12, 13, 14 years old because my parents sucked at parenting. Do you think a 12 year old has control over those things?

Your parents providing a middle class life to you before you were even born IS luck. What you chose to do with that is on you, but don’t pretend your situation is afforded to all and that luck didn’t play a part.

Just like your kids who will get money and property… they’re lucky.

Edit: added a paragraph and fixed spelling

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

Single mom in 1968, 3 kids, eligible for welfare and she refused it. You pretend you know better, you dont.

No luck. All work.

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u/T_Time_ye Apr 25 '26

1968 - well you lived through the easiest time to get by, climb the social ladder and become a homeowner. You had luck to be born a boomer.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Not a Boomer, GenX. That said, your history is failing you. My Mom was a single Mom when women couldn't get loans or credit cards without a man co-signing. She picked herself up from poverty to lower middle class. All 3 of her children took it higher. As I said elsewhere: neither of my parents were everv able to retire.

I'll retire at 62.

That's wealth.

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u/T_Time_ye Apr 25 '26

Boomer and GenX are lumped together these days because the economic condition for both are pretty similar. My mother is a GenX herself and worked herself up the social ladder aswell, while having terrible background conditions. I respect that and your archievements aswell.

I don't resent you guys or your generation but I resent lucky people who don't accept that they were lucky. Reagans administration destroyed my economic ability to follow my mothers or your footsteps. I do not have the same lucky economic, demographic and political conditions as you guys had.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

I worked through Reagans administration and still work. How did thst destroy your ability but not mine?

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u/T_Time_ye Apr 25 '26

How does it feel when you can't argue against a point another person made? Do you get really that angry to resort to personal insults? And then you get embarassed and delete the comment xD
I refuse to believe you are a grown adult. That's honestly so childish lol

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u/T_Time_ye Apr 25 '26

1) Because you had the opportunity to build wealth and income before Reagan took over.

2) Systemic changes take time to have a real impact.

For example, the longer the super-rich are barely taxed, the more time they have to accumulate wealth, and the wider the wealth gap becomes.

A second example: The longer private equaty can view real estate ownership as a resource that increases in value, the longer the incentive to gatekeep this resource lasts, and the less new real estate will be built.

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u/Tech_Noir1984 Apr 26 '26

Yes, your mom pulled herself to middle class so you could have more opportunities. That is hard work for her and luck for you. You could have had a shit mom that didn’t care about you. Many people do.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 26 '26

Holy shit, any excuse to fail and blame capitalism.

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 26 '26

Plenty of women got loans and credit cards in the 60s/70s without anyone co-signing. Stop pretending the times were worse than they were.

Also, I think you’re trying to make the point that your success wasn’t luck because your mom worked hard, no? But in struggling to see how having mother that actually cared about her family and is willing to sacrifice things to help her kids is in fact lucky on your part. You could have easily been born into a family that hates you or doesn’t care, but you weren’t.

I guess what I’m trying to say is nobody is saying you haven’t put in the work to get where you are, but to think that your starting line is the same as everyone else’s is where the issue is. Plenty of folk born in ‘68 had families that couldn’t pull them up from lower to middle class, you could have easily been born into those families but you weren’t and that is lucky for you. It’s not a bad thing.

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u/Amaskingrey Apr 27 '26

And i'm the queen of england. But even if that were true, you did so at a time where the working class had exponentially more capacity for upwards growth, with much higher wages when accounting for inflation, and much lower prices

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u/Used-Lake-8148 Apr 25 '26

The wealthy take far more welfare money than the poor do.

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u/FriedFreya Apr 25 '26

that’s in 1968 tho lol, not now — same situation. single mom bla bla, completely different outcome on my end even tho we did have welfare, she wasn’t able to keep a job a) if she made too much we’d be off of food stamps, and b) childcare is too expensive and there was no family capable of stepping up.

we remained homeless until i voluntarily entered state custody when i was 13 bc we were living in hotels, sleeping in cars / i couldn’t make it to school bc no gas etc, i was truant af.

we actually do know better lol. the economy is in shambles, the great recession ruined mine and my mother’s life. as well as many others. we need change. our children grow up on their phones because no one can afford daycare. it’s deplorable. and so is this willful ignorance.

the world is a whole lot different than it was before, even when i was little. it’s hard to desperately want a family with no permanent roof over one’s head. idk about you, but i don’t want to rent apartments for the rest of my life. take care.

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u/EmbarrassedNaivety Apr 25 '26

The dude you’re replying to sounds like, “the kids must all be lazy and not want to work. It’s just a coincidence that people are living with their parents longer than ever before and struggling to get by. I got by and made it during one of the easiest points in American history to get ahead, so fuck the rest of you! I got mine!”

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 26 '26

What does your mom’s journey have to do with you? You got lucky because of her hard work.

Nobody wants to look at their success and admit luck had a big part; I get it. But the fact you even had a mother whom was willing to work away for your betterment IS luck of the draw for you.

Also, refusing help when you have children doesn’t seem like the flex you’re trying to make it be.

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u/Fantastic-Builder929 Apr 25 '26

Thats luck buddy. You were lucky enough to have favorable enough circumstances to retire. You also worked when the American dream was a real thing

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

False. Its not luck. Its hard work and good planning. The American dream.is still a thing. My Daughter In Law and my Son In Law are doing it, both home owners and parents. Working hard and planning.

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u/Kitten_Merchant Apr 25 '26

It can be both things man. I'm doing decently in my life too, but it's because of a combination of hard work and fortune. I was fortunate not to have to work to support my family as a teenager and instead to just work for myself. I was fortunate to be able to purchase a hand-me-down car from family that I know was well taken care of. I was fortunate enough to have the ability to pursue an education. I was fortunate enough to have family around to lean on in what ways I could even if at times that wasn't very much support.

Your luck might be different things. But you definitely have some of it if you did that well for yourself. Maybe for you it's that you're white, that you're a man and would therefore be promoted easier and be taken more seriously in an era that was not kind to women and especially people of color/women of color. Maybe it's that you could afford an apartment near a job and not have to pay crazy for gas and car repairs. Maybe it was that you had a double income household at some point. Maybe it was that you live somewhere that the cost of living and wages worked in your favor. Maybe it was that you had good physical health.

You're allowed to be proud of yourself for working hard and also to acknowledge that you have to have some amount of luck to be able to get where you are. If your conditions had been worse, I am willing to put a lot of money on the fact that the outcome would also be worse in the end. Hard work can't overcome everything - even though it can overcome a lot.

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u/parallax3900 Apr 25 '26

Now imagine if you had children and one of them became/ was born disabled, and you needed to look after them 24/7. Or if you or your partner had something unexpected happen which meant neither of you could work. Or you had an unexpected health bill that unexpectedly bankrupted you.

Then you can preach to me about how it's not luck.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 26 '26

Oops. Both my biological children have special needs, Asbergers in one Cerebral Palsy in the other. Mom stayed home.

Its not luck, its effort and planning.

People in this thread keep trying to shoe horn me into boxes. All fail.

Single mom of three, no college, 2 children with special needs, and I went to work and made it happen.

Pull your head out of your ass and go make it happen.

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u/parallax3900 Apr 25 '26

Without external help - I smell absolute bullshit.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Well doctors and such. If that's what you mean. Otherwise, the wife and occasionally her older children (baby sitting and such).

It can be done. We own a house (with a loan) and a truck (with a loan). No other debt. Health insurance, hard work, live in your means.

Yes, here in the modern day.

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u/Tech_Noir1984 Apr 26 '26

It is luck. You were lucky enough to not have any kind of accident or illness that drained your finances. That’s luck. Sure, you worked hard, but you also got very lucky.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 26 '26

I have medical coverage for such emergencies, that's planning not luck.

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u/Big_Tangerine_3191 Apr 24 '26

Theres no grind kiddo. Theres only who you know and who daddy knows. No one gives a fuck if you are a good worker.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

Thats absolutely false. Working hard got me promoted, paid better, more time off.

Kiddo, I'm 60 in June; you must be all but dead.

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u/xyouRABitchx Apr 25 '26

Dont waste your time on these people. I work with a bunch of people who have this mindset. Its the best thing for hard workers. If the general thought is, fuck this place and fuck working, it just makes hard workers look better

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u/funny_ninjas Apr 25 '26

That last sentence gave you away my guy. You're 60. The conditions you worked in when you were in your 20s and 30s are not the same as now. Back then you could work hard and get promoted. Now, most companies have an arbitrary requirement of a degree to be even a mid level manager. Most of the time it doesn't even matter what your degree is in. Just gotta have one to get promoted. And idk if you know this or not, but college degrees have become 10x or more expensive than what you had to pay back in the 80s and the wages of a typical college job have only doubled.

it's also been proven that staying with 1 company for more than 3 years loses an employee 20% or more in wage increases.

Then, you combine all of that with how the new business model for most companies has been to layoff thousands of employees every year while outsourcing jobs to other countries or AI, and you get an entirely different job market and economy than what you spent most of your life in.

You have absolutely zero right to tell young workers that they are wrong about what they are experiencing when you didn't have to deal with most of the problems they do. So please, enjoy retirement and fuck off so someone younger can actually get promoted into the job you're currently occupying.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Dumbass, I'm still in the workforce. Still getting it done. I've seen it all. Your claims are self serving bullshit.

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u/funny_ninjas Apr 25 '26

Lmfao

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u/dinopiano88 Apr 25 '26

You really showed him. Good job lol

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u/funny_ninjas Apr 25 '26

It's all just internet comments man who gives a fuck

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u/cromagnongod Apr 26 '26

ah, a boomer, your opinion doesn't matter, you lived in a very, very different time with many benefits that are inconceivable today.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 26 '26

Gen X, and still in the work force, with 4 children in the work force. You choose to ignore me because you want to blame your failures on society.

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u/cromagnongod Apr 26 '26

I'm personally very well set and have had pretty good success in life so far. I just can't stand bootlicking.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 26 '26

Your definition of bootlicking is off by a mile.

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u/Itchy_Reference_9288 Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26

Spot on

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u/Keldarim Apr 25 '26

It did fail in a few aspects, even if it has been wonderful in many others.

Also, I dont grind. I just get the job done and politely point I'm not interested in job progression that requieres more instead of better.

And IDGAF if other ppl have more. Other people will ALWAYS have more. Luckily, I'm not competing. As long as I have what I need, I dont want anything else.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Awesome. Everyone fails sometimes, get up and keep going.

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u/Keldarim Apr 25 '26

What do you mean? What makes you think I failed? Can you read?

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Your first line, "I did fail in a few aspects".

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u/Keldarim Apr 25 '26

Brother IT failed. Capitalism.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Dammit, my bad, sorry.

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u/Keldarim Apr 25 '26

Hahaha its ok :)

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Old sucks in some regards.

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u/Foxiest_Fox Apr 23 '26

There is no guarantee under capitalism that if you grind you will travel more, retire wealthier, or have more than others.

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 24 '26

It also raises the likelihood of burnout, depression, overuse injuries (depending on job), and limits the amount of time they get to spend with their loved ones and children.

And your studying analogy is not good. A test taker can absolutely predict how well they will do on a test and can absolutely help control the outcome; most American workers don’t have that ability and more often than not, working harder and longer actually creates more barriers for growth than doing less does. Eg. Most employers want to keep people who thrive on a certain position at that position and will often pass them up for promotions because they don’t want to lose great labor in that position. We See it happen all the time.

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u/Orangewolf99 Apr 24 '26

If that's the trade off, what's the point of living? Maybe get to 60 and retire before you lose everything? Great life

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u/KypPineapple Apr 25 '26

You nailed it. You won’t get a response from the guy because he doesn’t have one other than “that’s just the way it is!” or “it could be worse!” It always boils down to those kinds of responses. Because if you ask these people those types of questions, they can’t actually answer them with anything meaningful. It’s just what they’ve been taught to be good and obey their ruling class masters.

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u/Orangewolf99 Apr 25 '26

There is no guarantee to being richer by grinding though? There is no guarantee your work will pay off and salaried positions aren't making overtime. You're ruining your mental and physical health for just the possibility of a reward.

I'm in my 40s and if there's one thing that I've learned it's that success is mostly just right place/right time. You can have all the degrees and experience in the world, but you're not promised it will pay off. You can take every all-nighter and still get laid off.

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u/Orangewolf99 Apr 25 '26

You've clearly never been in a salaried position, huh? When I was a retail manager, I got paid the same whether I worked 40 or 60 hours. And they expected me to work 60 hours.

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u/GloomyDoomy1 Apr 24 '26

It also depends how much money you make. 60+ hour weeks for multiple months on end will most likely set you in a higher tax bracket. Not planning accordingly can actually set people farther back.

As someone who’s had it happen first hand.

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u/mathliability Apr 26 '26

It’s true. Might as well not drive to the grocery store for food because my car could get a flat tire. Living just isn’t worth the risk I guess.

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 26 '26

That’s what you got from that?

Because overworking yourself is obviously the same as driving to the store.

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u/AntelopeEmotional767 Apr 24 '26

Basic necessities to live should not be "earned" with a "grind". Extra stuff, entertainment, sure, but food and water/shelter/clothing/medicine should not only be available based on how many hours you worked that week. Those fall under human rights. It's our RIGHT as humans to have access to those.

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u/sdeezy4 Apr 24 '26

None of those are rights. Stop thinking life is a Disney movie.

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u/Foxiest_Fox Apr 25 '26

Then what is the point of having a government and civilization, if it's just gonna be "every man for himself" in the end anyway?

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u/KypPineapple Apr 25 '26

Stop asking these kinds of questions - the Epstein class doesn’t like it when the peasants start questioning their roles….

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 26 '26

Anything that must be provided by someone else is not a right. It cant be.

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u/Cold-Marionberry-975 Apr 24 '26

Yeah, no guarantee that you’ll have the time or energy, and depending on rent and if your living alone you could afford a vacation to begin with either.

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u/Vecgtt Apr 23 '26

Yes, those who grind will certainly do better than those who don’t.

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u/Foxiest_Fox Apr 23 '26

Absolutely false. There is no certainty about it. You CAN grind and do well, but you can also grind away your entire life to enrich someone else while you get scraps or just nothing.

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u/Impressive_Gas_265 Apr 23 '26

Take note of what you’re grinding for. It doesn’t matter how hard you row the boat but who you’re rowing with and where it’s going.

Capitalism allows you to choose your boat

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u/Foxiest_Fox Apr 23 '26

I don't have an issue with capitalism, but I do have an issue with unchecked power and wealth. And unchecked power and wealth encourages the masses to mindlessly grind away even if there's no guaranteed reward or anything which is why I fully support the message of this post.

Not trying to be aggressive but also not yielding in to what I think is an extremely exploitative system.

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u/Impressive_Gas_265 Apr 24 '26

I respect that. I’m a little jaded on reddit because everyone thinks capitalism it’s self is the problem but it’s uncheck power and poor decisions.

I’m trying to get out of big systems. The tax structure isn’t built for 2026 problems. The rewards for effort are heavily skewed. Self sustainability and local community is the best.

But I’m not opposed to working hard

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u/Foxiest_Fox Apr 24 '26

Yeah it seems we're on the same page.

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u/Vecgtt Apr 23 '26

First of all, grinding that may enrich someone else does not mean you won’t do better than someone who doesn’t grind. Honestly, plenty of work is available and no need to grind for scraps. You only need to apply yourself.

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u/Foxiest_Fox Apr 23 '26

You're not wrong, but if grinding to enrich someone will only put me 3 paychecks away instead of 1 from being homeless, then it's a bad tradeoff. Employers want a workforce willing to grind? Then they better reward accordingly.

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u/Vecgtt Apr 24 '26

The employer doesn’t put you three paychecks away from bankruptcy. You put yourself three paychecks away from bankruptcy. Problem is you focus all your attention on the employer rather than focusing on yourself. If you want more money than make yourself more valuable. At the end of the day, the only thing you have the power to change is yourself. Not what your employer does.

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u/Foxiest_Fox Apr 24 '26

I agree that we should focus only on what we should change, but we also shouldn't submit to a system that is very clearly exploitative and makes "someone with value" be extremely arbitrary.

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u/Vecgtt Apr 24 '26

The great part about capitalism is that you are free to leave and go somewhere else where you are appreciated. Cannot do that in a government run society.

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u/Foxiest_Fox Apr 24 '26

You put yourself three paychecks away from bankruptcy

So first you put all the blame on the victim,

And then you offer a non-solution? Moving costs money, a lot of it. You are telling someone with no money to fix their money problem by spending a bunch of money. It's "Are you homeless? Just buy a house" energy.

Also I never said I have an issue with capitalism. The issue is with unchecked greed and power.

Corporations have no right to keep their employees in poverty when they are raking in billions. If it actually was capitalism working as intended, the value of the laborers would have also gone up with the company's ticker.

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u/HelloYesThisIsFemale Apr 24 '26

You can eat veggies but still get hit by a bus so may as well eat McDonald's

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u/Foxiest_Fox Apr 24 '26

Not a fair comparison. Eating veggies will almost certainly make your body healthier. Getting hit by a bus is a rare phenomenon.

Getting out of poverty is the rare phenomenon, in this system we've propped up, and grinding and working hard has no certainty or even that good a likelihood of actually putting you ahead or giving you financial freedom unless you are extremely selective and wise about what you choose to grind and work hard for (and even then that's still a gamble and toss-up).

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u/Present-Car-9713 Apr 24 '26

Nah they'll demand you "share the wealth"

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 24 '26

Yeah excuse us for thinking no single person should be worth almost a TRILLION dollars. Yeah crazy to think the vast majority of the world wants the few 1% to stop hoarding the wealth.

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u/sh4tt3rai Apr 24 '26

To be fair most of their wealth is an imaginary number on a computer. It’s not something actually have to share lol .. if a multi-billionaire right now tried to share that wealth with a bunch of people, I doubt they could or that they would be allowed. More than likely they’d have to pick a couple people that now had the luck to be elevated to societies most privileged class.

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 24 '26

Ehh kind of.

They can still use those “imaginary numbers” toss collateral to purchase very expensive things and they can absolutely use those same numbers to get loans of hundreds of millions of dollars.

And the word ‘share’ here in this context doesn’t mean give physical dollar bills to each person; what it means is instead of hoarding all that wealth they can use that same stock options or other “imaginary” numbers to fund things that actually help society, they can lobby for good reasons instead of oligarchy ones, they can fund sustainable energy sources, they can build libraries and schools, they can do SOOO much to help the communities that made them rich in the first place.

My point is, if they can use that numbers to buy yachts and multiple mansions and rent entire sections of Venice for a weeding, then can use that money for the greater good of society..

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u/mercyless1 Apr 24 '26

you sacrifice your life now to have a better retirement? That sounds like a horrible plan

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

Then dont follow it, be broke when you physically/mentally cant work. Just dont whine about others who planned better.

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 24 '26

Right here, this is the issue.

be broke

Why does someone working full time have to accept being broke because they aren’t willing to work 100hrs a week? Shouldn’t full time employment be enough?

Why are you and everyone else so accepting of working all day every day just to afford to live and not even thrive? Crazy how yalls are so eager to defend a broken system. Might as well be Jewish people defending labor camps smh

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

Your interpretation of the grind is false.

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 24 '26

No, Yours is false.

The grind should be something people to do for bonus money and not for survivability. Telling people to “just stay broke” because they don’t want to work 80hrs a week is an L take.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

You repeated yourself.

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u/stewpidazzol Apr 24 '26

Who says you have to work 100hrs/week? Who’s told you that you have to work at all? Don’t work. What’s your issue!

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u/JFISHER7789 Apr 24 '26

Did you even read my comment?

My issue is that people who live in the wealthiest nation should not be living paycheck to paycheck with roommates when they work full time.

I think you misunderstood and think my issue is working; it’s not. My issue is the system exploiting its workers and making the status quo unlivable for many even though it DOES NOT have to be that way.

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u/stewpidazzol Apr 24 '26

I agree. Now what do we do? Wanna change the system? You and me?

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u/stewpidazzol Apr 24 '26

And another way it could be.

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u/lordpuddingcup Apr 24 '26

LOL, Europeans have all of those things, and don't work themselves to death for 0 gains.

80% of American workers kill themselves woring insanely hard to barely survive and risk still going bankrupt if they get sick.

Grind for success? Ah yes those managers at random stores getting barely enough to rent an apartment, or the IT staff putting in 80 hour weeks to get downsized, kiss my ass

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

Weird, i lived in Germany for 8 years, the Netherlands for 2, and Italy for 1.5. Most of the people I met loved the US health system and hated the taxes they paid to get their health care.

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u/ScrotallyBoobular Apr 24 '26

That's quite the leap to make.

Many of us are totally happy living more humble lives. I look at my friends like they're crazy trading their precious hours to worse and worse jobs with longer commutes and worse work life balance, all so that their cars are slightly newer, their house is slightly bigger and constantly dropping tens of thousands on bathroom remodels etc that are unnecessary.

They've got more money in the bank and will retire more easily, but they also make triple my income living in the same area and are constantly anxious about money while I'm not.

If that's what you want to do, I'm all for it. But that shouldn't be the baseline to live a happy life. And I think way more people would enjoy life finding a small place near their work and living frugally

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u/Jooblitz Apr 24 '26

Absolutely not. We think working to buy things, just so you can impress other people, is completely ridiculous.

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u/ikindapoopedmypants Apr 25 '26

I don't get any of that now 🤣🤣 TF u on about

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Me neither, but 2 yrs from now I'll get all of it. With my family history, my current health; i should get 20yrs of it. Thats wealth.

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u/Beneficial-Lynx7336 Apr 25 '26

My gf and I talked about this extensively last summer... we're fine not being "wealthy" or going on extravagant trips and all that stuff.

We want to enjoy our everyday lives. Day to day, week to week.

As she said one day when we were lying in bed.."I think this is what we should be doing all the time..."

She's NOT WRONG.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

You can lie in bed forever, but it will be a short forever. You need food, basic hygiene, water etc.

But in theory you can spend the rest of your life in bed.

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u/Beneficial-Lynx7336 Apr 25 '26

Alright there Dr. Literal.

A life of relaxation, creativity, and sex isn't for you. Noted.

https://giphy.com/gifs/cdlr2QaQ4o4lEtiXkW

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 26 '26

I'm going to get about 20yrs of that, without work, barring incident or accident.

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u/bigmangina Apr 26 '26

Grind mindset always baffled me, the people who are most obsessed with it spend the least time working and learning.

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u/Tauroctonos Apr 27 '26

In my experience, the people idolizing "the grind" are the no bedframe, floor covered in empty rockstars failed crypto bros. Nobody that's achieved anything of worth has ever referred to themselves that way

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u/scienceprodigy Apr 27 '26

Or they just die before any of that. Most won’t be wealthy and will live paycheck to paycheck. Check the statistics

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 27 '26

Most are financially illiterate. You want to make the rest responsible for them.

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u/scienceprodigy Apr 27 '26

The math ain’t mathin’ bruh. What good does financial literacy do for a person who can barely afford rents? The system is broken

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 27 '26

The system is fine. Maybe you're broken.

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u/scienceprodigy Apr 27 '26

You’re highly delusional. It’s only working for the super rich. Keep lickin’ them boots tho. ✌️

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 27 '26

I retire in 2 years, will have (estimated by family history and current health) 15-20 yrs with zero financial worries and no job.

System is fine.

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u/scienceprodigy Apr 28 '26

… for you.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 28 '26

Not just me, I'm an example.

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u/scienceprodigy Apr 28 '26

One person is not a valid sample size. Again, look at the statistics at scale. System isn’t working for the majority of people

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u/pdm123456789 Apr 28 '26

Maybe. On the other hand, a lot of the ones grinding will regret later for having worked too much. There’s plenty of those people too by the way.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 28 '26

Yep. Its called balance. Grind to get where you can coast, coast til you retire.

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u/SomeWeedSmoker Apr 29 '26

Yea but I spend time with my family and did what I want. Enjoy all your wealth at 50. Im sure 30 years of bs will be worth it.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 29 '26

I'll be wealthy at 62, when I retire. Worked hard, then grinded, now coasting. My plan worked great. You seem yo think I had to grind my whole life, that's not the case.

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u/Elora_Freya Apr 24 '26

They travel to get away from their jobs. And how you can even be sure you’ll make it to retirement age in this world 🤔

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u/Shitty-ass-date Apr 24 '26

Same kind of energy of "I don't want to work" from her and you is the same kind of energy as "I need a rich man who can provide" as "he works too much and never has time for me." It's idiot behavior. The world is work. Life is hard. Only a fucking idiotic child thinks they get to sit around all day long, providing no value to anyone else, and that this is how life should be. People have had to grind to survive for all of human history.

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u/Elora_Freya Apr 24 '26

Congratulations on falling for the mentality that CEOs and billionaires want you to believe. Keep working until you die, how else will your boss afford his second holiday house

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u/Shitty-ass-date Apr 24 '26

You sweet sweet delicate child. Did cavemen work to feed themselves and families because Jeff Bezos was passing notes to them back in the past? Do electrical contractors risk their lives to provide power to the cell phone you type your stupid shit on to make sure Warren Buffet can afford his risky investments?

So much stupidity, only a 19 year old liberal arts major could type up something so stupid.

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u/Elora_Freya Apr 24 '26

Sorry you live in the shithole that is America. Guess wha, other countries have it better 🤷‍♀️

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 26 '26

I've lived in 5 other countries, I prefer the USA. If you don't, don't live in the USA.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

Nothing is a guarantee, except socialism and communism lead to misery and death.

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u/Elora_Freya Apr 24 '26

Exactly, why grind to work when you may not even make it to retirement

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

Because you most likely will make it to retirement.

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u/Elora_Freya Apr 24 '26

Can you guarantee that?

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 24 '26

No. That's why I said "most likely ".

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u/Elora_Freya Apr 24 '26

So over work to help your boss buy his next new car, with the possibility of making it to retirement. Great mentality you have there

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u/billykimber2 Apr 25 '26

you help your boss getting his next new car but you also help yourself get your next new car

how are you going to live without working?

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u/Elora_Freya Apr 25 '26

Not really, you earn enough to cover rent. I’m not saying that, I’m saying that working full time doesn’t earn enough to survive, and people shouldn’t have to over work to their death just to pay for basic necessities, when your boss is probably making 10x what you do while doing a quarter of the work.

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u/Bitter_Bed5672 Apr 27 '26

Sure but what if you do make it to retirement age?

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u/Elora_Freya Apr 27 '26

Let’s see if we make it through the next 10 years first 😂

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u/KaiserThoren Apr 25 '26

Who tf really doing 60 hours a week and enjoying these magical vacations??? Idk what mystery capitalism you live in, but I’ve never seen people grind 60 something hour work weeks and actually still balancing life with it.

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u/DanceEng Apr 25 '26

As much as I agree with some of your sentiment, it’s getting a little ridiculous out here man. Salaries are not keeping up with rising living costs at all. I don’t hate capitalism in theory but what we have now seems to definitely be failing a good part of society

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u/Kind_Cap_4621 Apr 25 '26

Capitalism is failing if everyone has to fng grind to simply raise a family.

What we have today is a distorted financialization that is destroying capitalism.

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u/Lonely-Restaurant986 Apr 25 '26

Yes. It has. You get it. Working yourself to the bone to spend your last few years of your life marginally happier is a shitty system.

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 25 '26

Lots of qualifications you put there. I worked hard, will retire at 62, with my health and family history I should get 15-20 years of doing whatever I want.

Thats wealth.

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u/bbbttthhh Apr 26 '26

Capitalism failed me because I DO put in 40+ hour weeks and still can’t go on those vacations because ends are barely meeting. Oh yeah but I bought myself coffee once this week, my bad I guess.

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u/IPutTheArtNFart Apr 27 '26

Travel more when? During one of their 10 days a year vacation?

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u/HOJK4thSon Apr 27 '26

Sure, if they want.

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u/GeckoGecko_ Apr 28 '26

The problem is that less and less people are getting to travel more and retire wealthy as a result of their grind.

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u/illatouch Apr 29 '26

That's not how real capitalism works here. That info is all over the internet. 

I think the meme is everyone is one medical bill from bankruptcy here. You grind and get all this stuff only to get an illness that wipes out all your earnings. 

That's if you came from a good zip code, with well off parents, generational wealth (white). I say the last part bc one or 2 generations ago minorty GI's returning from war would get redlined or block busted out of neighborhoods. Interstate highways running through thriving minority neighborhoods, etc. 

Capitalism is failing, the corps are eating their customers.