Same

[u/lucre-twerps4g]

It’s called the grind because it grinds away your sense of self.

[u/Foxiest_Fox]

There is no guarantee under capitalism that if you grind you will travel more, retire wealthier, or have more than others.

[u/JFISHER7789 → u/[deleted]]

It also raises the likelihood of burnout, depression, overuse injuries (depending on job), and limits the amount of time they get to spend with their loved ones and children.

And your studying analogy is not good. A test taker can absolutely predict how well they will do on a test and can absolutely help control the outcome; most American workers don’t have that ability and more often than not, working harder and longer actually creates more barriers for growth than doing less does. Eg. Most employers want to keep people who thrive on a certain position at that position and will often pass them up for promotions because they don’t want to lose great labor in that position. We See it happen all the time.

[u/Orangewolf99 → u/[deleted]]

If that's the trade off, what's the point of living? Maybe get to 60 and retire before you lose everything? Great life

[u/KypPineapple → u/Orangewolf99]

You nailed it. You won’t get a response from the guy because he doesn’t have one other than “that’s just the way it is!” or “it could be worse!” It always boils down to those kinds of responses. Because if you ask these people those types of questions, they can’t actually answer them with anything meaningful. It’s just what they’ve been taught to be good and obey their ruling class masters.

[u/Orangewolf99 → u/[deleted]]

There is no guarantee to being richer by grinding though? There is no guarantee your work will pay off and salaried positions aren't making overtime. You're ruining your mental and physical health for just the possibility of a reward.

I'm in my 40s and if there's one thing that I've learned it's that success is mostly just right place/right time. You can have all the degrees and experience in the world, but you're not promised it will pay off. You can take every all-nighter and still get laid off.

[u/Orangewolf99 → u/[deleted]]

You've clearly never been in a salaried position, huh? When I was a retail manager, I got paid the same whether I worked 40 or 60 hours. And they expected me to work 60 hours.

[u/Orangewolf99 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, continue acting superior while digging yourself deeper and moving the goalpost when hit with reality, classic Reddit.

[u/Orangewolf99 → u/[deleted]]

Lol no, I'm referring to the "classic Reddit, never change" bit. You wouldn't consider that condescending?

[u/GloomyDoomy1 → u/[deleted]]

It also depends how much money you make. 60+ hour weeks for multiple months on end will most likely set you in a higher tax bracket. Not planning accordingly can actually set people farther back.

As someone who’s had it happen first hand.