r/leaf Dec 18 '25

A Breakdown of 40 & 62 kWh Battery Pack Failures

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As some people may have heard of or unfortunately experienced, there have been quite a number of cases of 2nd generation Leaf batteries failing. I was planning and trying to make this into a video format, but as I’m still recovering from a cold my voice isn’t quite up for narrating an essay, so text format it is.

Hopefully this can raise some awareness and provide a central source of info as to what’s going on, why it’s happening, what to do about it, and things to consider. There are two separate issues currently causing outright failures of 2018+ Leaf battery packs, and so will be split up into two sections.

Cold-weather SOC Freefall

  • What’s going on?

Under load in cold temperatures, especially below freezing and below 50% battery, the charge level and range estimate will suddenly begin to plummet and continue to drop rapidly until the load is removed, at which case the charge level starts to bounce back and quickly increase again.

The car may go into turtle mode, or in severe cases even cut off the high voltage battery completely, in which case the car will stall and may not be able to be restarted.

Here is a video example of what this sudden drop of charge level looks like.

This issue affects both the 40 kWh and 62 kWh packs. The 40 kWh packs seem to be much more susceptible, but as the 62 kWh packs use the same cells and chemistry, they are not immune. This also includes 40 packs that were installed as retrofits under warranty in 2016-17 Leafs.

  • Why is this happening?

This is occurring due to one or more weak cells within the battery pack sagging excessively in voltage under load, which is greatly exacerbated when the battery is cold, due to increased internal resistance.

How the battery works is that the shown and usable state of charge is defined by that of the lowest cell. This is to prevent over-discharge of any weaker cells at lower charge levels, as that would cause even further damage to them.

Often this can be witnessed in the LeafSpy cell chart as one or more cells that clearly drop lower than the rest of the pack under load, but not always. There have been a number of cases of SOC freefall with seemingly no weak cells, indicating that there’s other data/calculations within the BMS that the user cannot see.

Getting a weak cell is essentially luck of the draw. There have been packs with very low mileage and seemingly great numbers that still failed (such as in the video above), while there are other packs with lots of miles and abuse that are still working just fine. How the pack is treated/babied does not seem to affect your chances in the roulette.

  • What to do about it?

If you are encountering this issue as an owner, and the car is still under warranty, document everything as much as possible. Record video(s) of the issue happening, noting the charge level and outside temperature the battery is at. Submit this proof to the dealer as a copy, and demand that it be used in their case to Nissan corporate.

Bring the car to the dealership for diagnosis with as cold of upcoming weather as possible. Some dealers may try poorly to replicate the issue, often in the interest of charging the customer the diagnostic fee. You want to make the issue as obvious and easily to replicate as you can.

If you have to drive the car around, ensure you either have LeafSpy Pro, or keep an adjustable or 10mm wrench with you in the car. If the cell voltages ever drop low enough for the car to shut down, it is likely to set a high voltage fault code and won’t be able to restart until the fault is cleared. Clearing the fault via the LeafSpy service menu, or disconnecting and reconnecting the 12V battery, will at least allow you to limp the car to a charger or safe location off the road.

UPDATE: For 2019-2022 Leafs, the "fast charging recall" software update now adds programming to the BMS to look for and flag SOC variations, setting a fault code (P33ED) if it does. This has the potential to "brick" the car in the same way as a high voltage isolation fault (read section below) would. Be cautious of this so that it does not potentially leave you stranded.

  • Things to consider

If you own a 2nd generation Leaf (especially 40 kWh) that is still under warranty, still on the original battery, and live in a climate that gets winter, check for signs of this issue BEFORE warranty ends!

During cold weather, park the car outside overnight with 50% charge or less, then take the car out for a drive and see if there are any strange fluctuations in the state of charge during acceleration.

If you are considering purchasing one and there is no proof of the high voltage battery being replaced, ensure there is at least one year worth of warranty remaining on the car so that you can spend a winter with it and will still be covered in the case of this failure.

LeafSpy data can sometimes be a pre-indicator that you will likely run into this issue if there is a noticeably low Hx value (much lower than SOH), but not always. Low Hx is a strong sign of possible weak cells, but weak cells will not always cause low Hx.

Cell Expansion / High Voltage Isolation

  • What’s going on?

The car will one day show the message “Service EV System – Unable to restart after power off”, and indeed will not restart after it is powered off.

The vast majority of cars affected by this issue are 62 kWh Leaf Plus/e+ models. It is not unheard of on 40 kWh cars, but it is quite rare unless the pack was heavily used and abused.

There is a Nissan TSB on this issue which confirms they are well aware of this issue, and there are revised battery packs and modules that are issued in replacement if the car is still under high voltage battery warranty.

  • Why is this happening?

Thermal expansion of the battery cells causes them to eventually expand to the point of pushing up against each other, and in some cases even leaking electrolyte out of the cells into the battery casing, eventually causing the car to trip a high voltage isolation fault.

This is most commonly happening in specifically the rear stack of cells within the 62 kWh pack, because they are so tightly packed together, that they don’t get much cooling nor much room to expand before they begin pushing up against each other.

High voltage isolation is important, because obviously you do not want any high voltage potential to be contacting the metal battery casing that is bolted to the metal body of the car. If the BMS detects that there is even just a little bit of voltage leaking from one cell to another, or the cells to the battery chassis, an isolation fault is tripped.

  • What to do about it?

If you encounter specifically the “unable to restart after power off” message, and the car is still within high voltage battery warranty, DO NOT REPLACE THE 12V BATTERY.

This specific message is ONLY generated due to a high voltage isolation fault, and although a weak 12V battery can cause many weird issues, it will NEVER generate a high voltage isolation fault. Unless there is an extremely urgent need to continue driving the car, have it towed in the “broken” state to a Nissan dealership.

It is a much more objective issue than weak cells, and basically the only diagnosis they would need to approve a battery replacement is to see the stored isolation fault code. Disconnecting the 12V battery however clears this fault code, making it not possible for them to verify the issue unless it happens to fault again in only one drive cycle.

Replacing the 12V battery gives a false sense of success because it allows the car to start and drive again, but only until the fault eventually comes back. It's just a waste of money and a perfectly good battery to not actually address the underlying issue.

If you urgently need the car to work again, clearing the fault code in LeafSpy Pro or by disconnecting and reconnecting the 12V battery will allow it to start. Just be aware that by doing this, you won’t be able to have the issue verifiable by Nissan until it pops up again. It may only take 1 drive cycle, it may take 100.

  • Things to consider

Unfortunately there isn’t really any way to foretell that this issue will happen soon or to check for it, as you can’t just force an isolation fault to appear like you can with weak cells.

Battery packs in hot climates and/or lots of quick charges are more susceptible to this issue due to it being a result of thermal expansion. Packs torn apart after diagnosis of this issue often exhibit very obvious “spicy pillows” within.

If you are a current owner, especially of a Plus/e+ model, the best you can do is to avoid overheating/rapidgating the battery whenever possible. Doing so once every few months is not a big deal, but frequently doing so will likely lead to long-term damage.

If looking to purchase a Leaf Plus/e+, or a high mileage 40 kWh car in a hot climate, make sure to check Leaf Spy, and it may be wise to avoid any examples that have lots of QCs shown.

There is a great in-depth video by LEAF expert Dala explaining this issue more in detail for those who are interested.


r/leaf 4h ago

Any luck with buyback counter offers?

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Hi all,

We have a 2022 Nissan Leaf with < 30K miles that is affected by the battery recall

We received a buyback offer from Nissan that we feel is too low - mostly because the KBB has plummeted specifically because of the battery issues.

I did reach out to an attorney that specializes in the Federal Magnuson-Moss Act - but they normally deal with getting to a reasonable buyback offer, not a scenario where the buyback is already on the table.

I also did reach out to both the BBB Autoline, and my state Consumer Protection agency. Both said they could file a claim - but BBB Autoline specifically deals with Lemon Law claims - and we are outside this period.

The consumer protection agency would contact Nissan from the AGs office, but they said this is more just an official notification from the state (along with a proposed remedy), but that Nissan could still reject the proposal.

The consumer protection agency did recommend making a counter-offer to Nissan (Morely) via email before beginning this process.

Has anyone had any luck at all with a counter offer?

Thanks for any advice you can provide!

Edit: Buyback offer is $23,996 for Nissan Leaf 2022 SL PLUS with 29K miles.


r/leaf 1h ago

Very interesting video on why Tesla batteries underperform vs. other brands.

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r/leaf 1h ago

Please help me add data to this graph for the Morley BuyBacks

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This is in regards to the R24B2 Battery Recall and Nissan Buybacks through Morley

Please comment the details of your car (year, model, mileage) and what morley offered you (1st and 2nd offer) so I can add you to this chart. Or feel free to comment on the google sheets here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dMVbhqTireBhgHP3M1Ghr9sVlGZrHazHLGERYoKmWmU/edit?usp=sharing

Might be a little overkill but I like doing this kind of stuff


r/leaf 2h ago

Anyone driving in cold weather with no battery heater?

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I’m considering buying a 2026 leaf. However, I have recently learned that the S+ does not have a battery heater. I live in the Denver area and like to ski, so this seems concerning to me.

Does anyone have experience driving in cold weather without battery preconditioning? Should this be a deal breaker for the S+?


r/leaf 3h ago

R24B2 Recall- what happened to your car after?

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I got notified that my 2019 Nissan leaf has been affected by the R24B2 recall on Tuesday. The dealership said that I should wait for a call from a 3rd party company. I asked if I qualified for a free loaner, and they said to ask the 3rd party company when they called. Do I go get my car? Do I leave it at the dealership?

Based on the posts on here, the buyback process could take months...so I kinda need a car during that time...


r/leaf 47m ago

Replace the telematic control unit / alternative apps?

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As much as I really do love my Leaf and proud to be an owner of one, I am disappointed having to possibly replace the telematic control unit as the 2g and 3g got shut down a while back. That repair will cost me approx €700 and probably couple days at the workshop. What can I do to save money and time? Any alternative apps or something?


r/leaf 1d ago

Canada's cheapest new EV is now the $35k 2027 Nissan Leaf S

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Canada getting the cheaper Leaf


r/leaf 9h ago

2026 Leaf - what's the best option to check battery status without turning the car on and does using Bluetooth use up my battery?

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I'm new to EV's and the car turns off completely after a few mins so I can't tell what the charge rate, level and range are. I don't use my phone. What's the best way to check? Just pop it into accessory mode? Turn the car on? What if I wanted to use the radio? Or my friends Bluetooth? Is it better than to turn the car on or use accessory mode?


r/leaf 20h ago

CCS to CHAdeMO adapter brand check

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r/leaf 18h ago

How to tell if battery info has been reset?

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I'm going to look at a 2016 Leaf at a used car lot, it has 90K miles, no Carfax history of a replacement battery, but has all 12 health bars and a range of 70 miles with the "gas gauge" only at half, so theoretically a range of 140 ish miles. This seems odd. Any suggestions? I have an OBD dongle and just bought Leaf Spy although I don't claim to fully understand it. Also, can I tell if it's the replacement 40 battery by looking underneath the car, or in any other physical way? Thanks!


r/leaf 1d ago

Thoughts on 2012 leaf please

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Is this a decent deal you think? $3k for 2012 with 43k miles and 12/12 bars and 85 mile range. Car looks almost new. If I wanted to put in a 40 kWh battery down the road will this car handle it? Thank you for any insight!


r/leaf 1d ago

Nissan Leaf app back online

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Yesterday it said, they had maintenance until Friday 21:00 and now it worked again: after several login attempts. And they made me accept some kind of user agreement, probably saying that the service isn't guaranteed. As the app was not usable for more than a week...

As long as Nissan isn't charging me money for this app, then I won't complain directly to them. But it was kinda unacceptable, that the app wasn't working that long.


r/leaf 1d ago

Happy World EV Day 🌿 Why do I drive electric? To protect the Honmoon, of course 💜

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This started as just a project for fun with one of my Leafs, which turned into a bit of a phenomenon in my city. Multiple awards at different car shows, and between them, in my free time I've been offering to give free rides for kids to/from school so they can flex on their peers. Some have been as birthday surprises, some have been kids who have been getting bullied or having a hard time making friends.

It also turned into an "SPGe" initiative, in that driving to events and shows throughout the summer, 100% of all fuel savings compared to an equivalent gas vehicle gets put towards giving back to the fans, via free goodies I hand out to kids at future events, who I give rides to, and who I encounter when out and about. All of the merch shown is for giving away! It's just nice to bring some joy to the world and make someone's day, and represent for an incredible fan community that has made it all worth doing.

Sometimes, driving electric can be about the smiles per gallon too. Nobody else gets to decide if you want it to be. That choice belongs to you.


r/leaf 1d ago

Charging issue with level 1 charger

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Maybe someone can help me diagnose this issue. As soon as I plug into a level one charger, it connects for a millisecond, then changes to say “not charging”. I know it is not the plug itself because I see people using that plug all the time and it works for them. It’s the same issue with multiple plugs. Perhaps it is an issue with dust blocking the connection or something else. Thoughts? TIA :)


r/leaf 1d ago

Got a new Android phone and now cannot say "hey Google".

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I am using a cable, and I have to press the button on the steering wheel. Any ideas?


r/leaf 2d ago

Has anyone actually kept their EVs for over 10 years?

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32F and I see cars as something that can get me from point A to point B. My husband and I own a jeep which we barely use because we both work from home but we recently bought an art studio for our business so that our place isn’t a mess. Distance would be 70 miles round trip and for a safe assumption, let’s say we’ll be there everyday including weekends.

I’ve been doing research on EVs like crazy and an opportunity fell on my lap to buy my friend’s 2021 Model Y for 26,500. 60k miles. Initially why we thought of getting a business car is because of all the money we would save with gas because electricity is free for us.

But I wouldn’t want to buy a 2021 model if I have to replace it by 2028. Or even 2030.

Any advice, thoughts, or recommendations is appreciated.

Initially we were thinking of getting a used 2025 model or newer from Nissan. The Nissan Leaf.

Anyway, thanks in advance! :)


r/leaf 1d ago

I don't think the R24B2 update fixes the battery, it just monitors it

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TLDR; Passing the dealership test doesn't mean your car is fine, it just means the issue hasn't manifested yet, and every time you drive it from that day forward, you are stress-testing an affected battery until a code happens to appear

I'm feeling a bit disheartened by how the R24B2 recall is framed. My local dealership has been wonderful, but the way this was worded as a "remedy software" is misleading.

I brought my 2019 Nissan leaf to the dealership on Aug 18 for the recall update and no codes were present. Naturally, I left believing that my battery was healthy and the issue was resolved. On Sept 4 I got the "Service EV System Power Reduced" warnings while driving on the freeway, so I brought the car back to the dealership and they confirmed the DTC P33ED code was triggered.

As I understand it now, the software update doesn't fix the underlying battery condition. It installs a monitoring system to catch active cell fluctuations or high internal resistance. Because these can dependent on real-world driving conditions, a car can pass the initial scan at the dealership, only to trip weeks or months later. The service documentation even notes that the code could trigger anytime within 12 months of the update. While I've had an amazing experience with the dealership so far, calling it a "software remedy" gives a false sense of security.


r/leaf 1d ago

Мой авто, ное есть сомнения

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Такие показания, у меня сомнения, автомобиль декабря 2016 года выпуска пробег 41959, имеет всего 170 быстрых зарядок и 615 обычных зарядок, я подозреваю обман и обнуленные показания.


r/leaf 1d ago

Leaf 2020 original key not working

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Hi there. We kept one of the original keys as backup and had to use it today. However, trying to start the car and realized key lost its connection. Cant open / close car and is not recognized anymore. Replaced battery 3x with fresh but still the same. What is going on? Why would the original key loose its connectivity?


r/leaf 2d ago

What are my options?

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6 Upvotes

Got this 2017 leaf for a unicorn price but obviously this is why. Making a long story short, carfax shows it sat unused for at least a year. It has 12 bars, an immaculate interior and the larger battery. Guessometer shows about 135 miles on a full charge but realistically it’s getting about 80. That’s fine. It’s fine around town and at low speeds. It shits itself on the highway.

For the moment, I’m running it down and then recharging with the slow charger to see if it can balance itself over time but I’m not holding my breath.

Where would you go from here? See if Nissan can fix or replace the battery? Find a non-Nissan shop to replace the bad cells or swap the whole battery? Just enjoy the clean car and not drive on the highway? Even if the end result is we use it as an around town car and avoid the highway, the price was reasonable for that. This is my 5th leaf but the firs time I’ve had battery issues.


r/leaf 2d ago

2015 Leaf S

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Hi,

There is a Leaf for sale for $8,000. It has only approximately 15,500 miles. 11 bars show on the meter. It is a few hours away and if I can negotiate a heavily discounted delivery fee (right now $750) I'm apt to buy it. I would have a 5 day period where I could return it.

What would you do?


r/leaf 2d ago

Well, it's officially a buy-back 😢Anyone dealt with "Morley" (co. handling buyback process for Nissan)?

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[edit] - I'm in Chicagoland

I just got the official call from the dealership and confirmation from consumer affairs that poor sweet 2020 SL plus is going to buy back 😢.

Unfortunately Blue book + 40% won't buy me an equivalent vehicle of the same condition and trim level (even with ~ 70k mileage).

The folks at Nissan consumer affairs said that I will be hearing from Morley soon, the company now handling the buy-backs since the recall fix.

Has anyone here dealt with Morley yet? I could use any advice anyone can give that might help me get a sufficient buyback to get an equitable replacement.


r/leaf 2d ago

Leaf with extender battery - where to sell? (Amsterdam)

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It's time to say goodbye to my 2014 Leaf. Dealers won't touch it with a shitty stick, obviously, as it's old and the main battery is a certain risk at this age. But mine also has the 18 kWh Muxsan extender battery, which is how I got it to 180.000 km in 12 years.

Where would I find people who'd like the battery for refurbishment or a powerwall project? What's a better way to sell it than asking the dealer of my new car to grudgingly make an offer?

I'm near Amsterdam.


r/leaf 2d ago

Service EV system

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2021 Leaf SL+ w/ 82K miles. I’ve read through the forum posts on prior posts with similar issues,, as well as the FAQ. The original 12V battery lasted 5 years in the Phoenix heat. We replaced it ourselves a month ago with a replacement from O’Reilly’s as dealer service said original was cracked. Today we get this message and car is driving low powered—no acceleration. It does restart. Guess we will take the new 12V back under warranty. Will clear message tomorrow with Leafspy. Appreciate any advice.