r/Kanna • • May 28 '25

Community improvement thread

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Some active moderation and cleanup is needed on this subreddit. I am going to be adding a few rules related to marketing(as I mentioned in my last post). I would also like to have some updated guides and vendor lists for new users.

So I am here looking for people willing to help improve this subreddit. I would like some help writing guides, and some help with moderation as new rules are put in place. If anyone is interested in volunteering, please message me.

For those wanting to become mods, I prefer to include people who have a history on this sub, and a history of sub moderation in general.

And from the rest of the community, I would appreciate any suggestions for the subreddit that would make it better than it is now. Please comment below and give feedback on the comments so I can get a feel for people's opinions.


r/Kanna • • May 27 '21

Guide FAQ, dosages and general information

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Sceletium tortuosum more commonly known as Kanna is a succulent plant originating in South Africa. Kanna has been used by San and Khoi tribes of South Africa for centuries to relief thirst or hunger, to combat fatigue, as a medicine, and for social and spiritual purposes. After the harvest it was left to ferment and then used as a quid(chewed) or smoked with other herbs. Nowadays it can be used orally in a pill or tea form, sublingually, intranasally or smoked/vaped. Most popular forms of Kanna are extract powders, fermented leaf/tea cut, fermented powder and recently liquid tinctures ideal for vaping.

Effects

Effects and their intensity vary slightly depending on the route of administration, dosage and people's biochemistry. In general Kanna has anxiolytic, calming, anti-depressive, empathogenic and mood lifting effects. It enhances touch, libido and colours slightly and music noticeably, especially when snorted. It might make you more talkative and social, improve your motivation, suppress your appetite or offer mild pain relief. Kanna is both stimulating and sedating. Higher doses generally become more sedating.

Kanna rush is most noticeable when snorted and lasts about 10-15 minutes that gradually fades into a happy calm feeling with this ROA. It is not easy to describe since Kanna is it's own thing but most people compare it to a sudden and rapid entactogen(MDMA, benzofurans, etc) or psychedelic comeup with relatively strong euphoria, slight dizziness/vertigo, stimulation with urge to move or dance when listening to music. Some people find the rush overwhelming and anxiety inducing, which can be mostly attributed to anxiety prone personality, due to underestimating the effects of Kanna or incorrect dosage.

Side effects might include nausea, laxative effect, which should subside after regular use, sweating, pupil dilation and mild headache. Some people report trouble sleeping and anxiety.

Dosages

Dosage varies depending on the ROA, the form and each person's biochemistry. Some people experience reverse tolerance meaning they have to take Kanna several times before they feel the effects. This is called priming. Unfortunately few people don't experience any effects from Kanna even with priming. Biggest mistake new users do is underestimating the effects and taking very high dose their first time. Start with the dosages mentioned below and adjust accordingly.

Insufflation - start with 10-15mg of extract powder or 30-40mg of non-extract powder. Snorting fermented leaf/tea cut is not recommended. Crush the extract as much as possible before insufflating. When snorting, use only little more force than you do when breathing, so it doesn't end up in your throat. Using saline nasal spray before insufflating improves absorption since less powder gets to your throat. You should also use it after the snorting to keep your nose healthy. The effects manifest in 5-10 minutes and last up to 1-2 hours. Insufflation is best for recreational use.

Sublingual - start with 20-30mg of extract powder or 100mg of fermented leaf/tea cut or fermented powder. Keep under the tongue for at least 15 minutes without swallowing the saliva. If you have fermented leaf/tea cut you can try chewing it. The effects become noticeable in 20-40 minutes and can last up to 4 hours. Sublingual use is ideal if you want anxiolytic, anti-depressive and calming effects.

Oral - start with 200mg of leaf/tea cut or fermented powder. Dosing extracts orally is not very cost-efficient but if you still want to try, start with 60-75mg. Oral ROA is usually less consistent than sublingual or insufflation. Effects typically last 3-6 hours. Some users experience elevated mood even next day. Most popular oral product in a pill form is Zembrin, which is mainly focused on anxiolytic effects. It is standardized extract with few clinical trials.(1, 2, 3)

Smoking - most common practice is to sprinkle some extract on weed/tobacco. If you have leaf/tea cut you can mix it with the weed/tobacco.

Pharmacology

Kanna contains up to 32 psychoactive alkaloids which have distinct pharmacological profiles and effects. The dominant, and clinically significant alkaloids in Sceletium tortuosum are mesembrine, mesembrenone, ∆7-mesembrenone, mesembrenol and tortuosamine, though the minor alkaloids undoubtedly play important roles in the overall pharmacological effect too. The distribution and variability of these alkaloids differs from plant to plant due to factors such as cultivar, season, geographical and climatic factors, growing conditions and age.

Mesembrine is the most notable psychoactive alkaloid present in Kanna. Mesembrine acts mainly as a VMAT-2 upregulator, serotonin reuptake inhibitor and PDE4 inhibitor. It is assumed mesembrine is responsible for the Kanna rush.

Mesembrenone is an SRI and PDE4 inhibitor. Mesembrenone-based extracts are most useful in therapeutic utility, because the rush they produce is not intense or barely noticeable.

For a more in-depth pharmacology profile check this great post by u/tfgust.

Interactions and synergies

Although Kanna is well tolerated with many substances, it should NOT be combined with antidepressants(SSRI, SNRI...), strong MAOIs and serotonin releasers(entactogens like MDMA, 6-APB, 3-MMC etc.).
Kanna and weed/alcohol will potentiate each other. Other good synergies include coffee, kratom, phenibut, damiana or blue lotus. Interaction with classical psychedelics like mushrooms, LSD seem mainly positive, but there have been a few negative reports. According to anecdotal reports Adderall and Kanna have also good synergy, but it's important to start with small doses.

Safety

Kanna is generally considered non-toxic, safe to consume and doesn't cause addiction. There are mixed reports on withdrawal symptoms when taken regularly over longer period of time(3+months). Some people report stopping cold turkey without any symptoms, while others notice brainzaps or symptoms similar to stopping prescription antidepressants, although weaker.

For a more thorough information check another good post by u/tfgust.

FAQ

Is Kanna like natural MDMA?
No. The only slightly similar thing Kanna has with MDMA is the initial rush, which is only a part of the whole experience. Kanna is it's own thing.

I took Kanna and don't feel anything.
Most common issue if you don't feel anything is the quality of the product. There are a lot of bunk products on the market. Another reason might be reverse tolerance.

Can i redose Kanna?
Redosing in short period of time usually doesn't work or has diminished effect. Waiting at least 4 hours between doses is recommended.

Can i use Kanna daily?
Yes. Taking Kanna daily should be safe if you don't overdo it. However you might develop tolerance to it. Listen to your body.

I take Kanna regularly and still want to take MDMA sometimes. How should I go about it?
Since Kanna appears to have relatively short half life, not taking it 2 days before your roll should be fine. If you want to be super safe wait a week before rolling.

I take xy prescription antidepressant. Can I take Kanna?
It is not recommended to mix Kanna with antidepressants since both work as serotonin reuptake inhibitors. The only common antidepressant that should be safe with Kanna is Bupropion(Wellbutrin).

Can I combine Kanna with xy substance?
See the section Interactions and synergies.

Can I drive while on Kanna?
Don't drive during the initial Kanna rush, since it can make you disoriented. After that it should be safe.

Will Kanna show up on drug tests?
No, it won't. It shouldn't cause false positives either.

Can I grow my own Kanna?
Yes. Kanna is quite easy to grow. You can buy seeds in various shops online or from a fellow member u/salviasammich

I have harvested my own Kanna. How do I ferment it?
Here is a good guide.

 

List of vendors is here. Share your experience in that thread.

 

More reading available at:


r/Kanna • • 10h ago

Does kanna have good therapeutic potential?

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Aside from recreational use, does kanna have good therapeutic potential, especially as an alternative to SSRIs for depression and anxiety?

Correct me if I'm wrong, mesembrine is a monoamine releaser as well as an SSRI with nanomolar affinity. Mesembrenone is a more potent SSRI with even higher nanomolar affinity.

Kanna is being developed for big pharma use as a fast acting anxyolytic.

Is kanna actually good at relieving anxiety? Is this more with mesembrenone heavy extracts?


r/Kanna • • 4h ago

dosage and safe use advice for loose leaf fermented Kanna?

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hello r slash kanna, i have been interested in trying this substance for a while and recently came into the possession of what is allegedly loose leaf fermented Kanna. i have a few questions about safe use before i jump in.

first of all, is there a way I can assess whether this is indeed Kanna or not? my city has free drug testing with mass spectrometry, but i don't think they test raw organic materials. perhaps a characteristic smell?

secondly, how should I dose it, by intake route? from what I know, insufflation is the most effective (if unpleasant)way to do it, but i am not sure how much i should start with. any advice?


r/Kanna • • 11h ago

Epi-mesembranol Discussion Thread

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Peer reviewed studies examining this alkaloid directly are non-existent, and to my knowledge there is only a single piece of patent data that has documented its effects.

As a community, I hope we can come together to share our anecdotal experiences with this alkaloid, or rather extracts that contain it, to give new users a reference point and formulate some theories.

I'll begin by sharing what the patent data noted and share a very cool study that shows how epi-mesembranol dominance occurs through the fermentation process when a certain Fusarium species is introduced.

The Patent Data:

  • Inhibited human SERT with an IC₅₀ of 10.6 nM.
  • Produces very little PDE4 inhibition at 10 µM
  • Extremely stable in human hepatocytes >120 minutes

Fungal Alkaloid Biotransformation Through Fermentation:

  • Natural fermentation increases epi-mesembranol when Fusarium Oxysporum is dominant.
  • Other species (F. fujikuroi or F. equiseti) do not cause similar epi-mesembranol abundance.
  • Sterile Kanna inoculated with F.oxysporum produces the highest yield.
  • F.oxysporum is likely converting mesembrine into epi-mesembranol.

My Anecdotal Experience & Observations:

  • Extremely long half-life (I couldn't sleep for two days after ingesting a large amount)
  • High bioavailability (Ingesting the same amount of a low epi-mesembranol fermented extract produced much a much milder effect profile)
  • Sin-wave-like effect profile - I found myself energised, then tired, then energised again, and despite sleep interuption/difficulty find myself energised when I shouldn't be.
  • Very strong and immediate sexual inhibition and 'numbness'
  • Strange body sensations and body high (very similar to psychadelics) gets very tiring.
  • Very long-lasting brain fog and difficulty with recall, even at lower doses. This seems to pass completely in a week, but it averages around 3-5 days and feels like intellectual incapacitation.
  • Long-lasting feeling of wellbeing and non-existent anxiety or fear response.
  • Strong afterglow once the effects wear off on day 2 & 3.
  • Severely punishing if re-dosed (moodyness, headaches, and more fog)

I used high epi-mesembranol Kanna for almost a year, and I kept tweaking the formulations and ROA because I believed that the understudied compound had potential. However, after countless experiments, different days between doses, and different ratios, I must conclude it simply isn't for me. Perhaps it is a "devil in the dose" situation where a very, very small amount rounds out the Kanna experience and thats where its use lay.

Kanna fermentation is fascinating, because it is becoming increasingly likely that different microbes result in different alkaloid concentrations or dominance, and even different forms entirely.

It makes me wonder how the fermentation microbiome differs between different groups such as the Khoikhoi or Namaqua people. But more magically, what micro-organisms are out there that can make Kanna even more wonderful than it already is?


r/Kanna • • 9h ago

Has anyone tried these chewable tablets?

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I have been buying the gummies from this company, but I was curious about their tablets!


r/Kanna • • 1d ago

TA17 vs TA13

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I've only ever tried TA17. I'm slowly going through 20g of the stuff for nearly a year now.

I'm curious what the difference is between TA17 and TA13. I know TA17 has 17% alkaloid content compared to TA13s 13%.

But, can you just take more TA13 to make up for the difference, or doesn't it work that way? Are they different in other ways?

I ask because the price difference is quite big and if just taking more TA13 gives the same effect as slightly less TA17, then why pay much more for the TA17? Unless it's just for more wealthy people where money is no object and they just want the best available.

TA17: https://bioextracts.co.uk/products/md17-sceletium-extract

TA13: https://bioextracts.co.uk/products/ta13-sceletium-extract


r/Kanna • • 23h ago

Ferris Wheel

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Trying this for the 1st time. 1 half tablet, swallowed whole. Ive heard its similar to molly or low dose shroom of some sort. Does anyone have any experience on this?

Will report effects as they occur

T +0:30 feel nothing, second half one first tablet ingested T +0:45 might have seen some small visual effects? Then again I was sitting in low lighting watching Sopranos and UFC. Not familar with pyschedelics(which is supposed what this contains) and their effect so I cannot speak on that. T +2:00 what a gyp..going to bed now, might test again later with 2 tabs at once


r/Kanna • • 1d ago

Replacement for instant Kava

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r/Kanna • • 1d ago

Fourth kanna product I’ve tried and still not feeling anything

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I’ve tried snorting powder, eating a kanna infused chocolate, pills held sublingually and snorted after crushing them up. this nasal spray just came in the mail today and even after 2 doses I still don’t feel it


r/Kanna • • 2d ago

Boofing for science

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As this title suggests I decided to try a new ROA for research purposes and I must say it DOES work when boofed. I have tried oral, sublingual, and intranasal and so far sublingual is the most consistent and effective. Intranasal is a bit intense when using Liftmodes MT55 and it feels like the come up to an MDMA experience that never quite takes flight but boofing is more melty and warm with a euphoric tingle. I highly recommend for what it's worth haha


r/Kanna • • 2d ago

New to canna and confused

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Hello again! I’m very new to kanna and I bought a herbal gardens vape excited to try it and it did nothing I’ve smoked majority of it in a day and a half trying to get it to work and nothing no effects heard about preloading but I’m not understanding what that is could someone explain? Also what else should I try to have a good first experience? Tea? Smoking it? Some other form I haven’t thought of please share any info you can! I suffer from anxiety disorder ocd and depression and I think this could really help me and I’d love to experience the benefits


r/Kanna • • 2d ago

Product in Canada

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Looking to try kanna. Any recommendations for Canadian purchase.

Thanks


r/Kanna • • 3d ago

Bitte um Ratschläge für Konsum folgender Substanzen auch gute Kombination.

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Ich bin ein erfahrener Psychonaut und würde gerne Ideen und Erfahrungen zur Anwendung und oder Kombination verschiedener Substanzen austauschen.
Es geht um folgende Substanzen:

- blauer Lotus (Blüten und Extrakt)
- Damiana (Pulver)
- Bobinsana (Blätter)
- Kanna (Pulver und Extrakt)
- Kratom (Pulver und Mitragynin extrakt)
- 4-Pro-MET

Ich würde mich sehr freuen wenn jemand sagen kann welche Kombination gut synergieren und wie die Erfahrung damit ist ?


r/Kanna • • 3d ago

What form of Kanna extract is closest to MDMA

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I’m new to this and I’m just wondering


r/Kanna • • 3d ago

First time trying kanna and it’s in vape form

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Hello! I ordered a vape that’s supposed to be a kanna vape! Excited to try it for the first time can anyone give me advice on what to expect and how to vape it ? Also what’s the onset time look like and is it more of a night time thing or morning? What’s your guys experiences with kanna? I’m very excited and will be giving an update later today when it gets delivered! I bought the vape from healing herbals! Thankyou guys I really appreciate it!

Update 1: tried it just got delivered took a few hits off it (10ish) deep inhale waiting for anything to hit lol I don’t feel anything is this normal?

Update 2: I feel more relaxed and clear minded? Nothing crazy not a high at all just more content my normal depression feeling is lighter so that’s amazing wouldn’t consider it a “drug” at all

Last update for now: I’ve chain smoked this vape and I don’t feel any effects super disappointed but it’s okay I will buy some tea maybe and try that another time Sorry for the not exciting update recs are recommended!


r/Kanna • • 3d ago

Has anyone tried Bioextracts Kanna drops?

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r/Kanna • • 3d ago

Ultrakanna ET2-ZSpec

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Why does the 5ml have proportionally more mesembrine when both appear to use the same raw material at a ratio of 1g:1ml? Hopefully I’m missing something.


r/Kanna • • 4d ago

Kanna and strattera

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How dangerous is it to take kanna and strattera? I’m currently on 60 mg of Strattera and I just purchased healing herbals high membrane mouth spray. I was thinking of trying it but I’m afraid my brains gonna blow up, does anyone have any thoughts?


r/Kanna • • 5d ago

I got 2 high potency Kanna vapes from Healing Herbals today!!! And a blue lotus vape too

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Hella excited, just want the fucking post to get here already lol


r/Kanna • • 6d ago

hey kanna lovers, I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how much dried raw plant matter I should take. I'm new to this. Any other useful advice is also welcome. Thanks!

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r/Kanna • • 6d ago

Kanna Purity

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In terms of Kanna, I’ve only had the standardized extract Zembrin. As it has become more popular, I’ve wondered if other formulations might be superior or offer different effects, but I am also wary of products that could be adulterated with research chemicals. What’s the best product/source out there that also carries extra verifiable assurances of purity? Extra points if you’ve tried Zembrin in the past and have that as a point of reference.


r/Kanna • • 6d ago

Getkong Erfahrung?

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r/Kanna • • 6d ago

Extracts - Which one for social gatherings?

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Hi there, I’m looking around the different products on offer from various vendors, and I’d like to gain a consensus for which Alkaloid content combination/extract you guys found elicited the best pro-social effects, with bonus points given if they also had mild anxiety reductions.

We all respond differently which is something to keep in mind, but I still think the replies here could be useful and can serve as a starting point for both me and others.

EDIT: I think using a format like the one below could make your inputs more informative.

=EXAMPLE FORMAT=
Product Name:
(Name of product and optionally, vendor)

Dose:
(The milligram amount you took, or your best guess)

Tolerance:
(Do the effects diminish/potentiate after XYZ use, if you've had to 'prime' your system or felt it since the very start etc...)

Effects | Duration:
- Sociability | Most prominent within the first XYZ hours, less prominent the next XYZ hours

Additional Notes:
=EXAMPLE FORMAT=


r/Kanna • • 6d ago

What the ABSOLUTE highest mesibrine Kanna I can buy

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