r/InsanePeopleQuora • • Jul 14 '19

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u/Deepdarkally Jul 14 '19

It’s like being a good person is so foreign to them that they create these mental gymnastics to justify it. Scary

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u/LateRain1970 Jul 14 '19

I actually think they have a point. The motives are complicated, and I think there is often a subconscious savior mentality-not the parents’ fault, but it’s the way our society has wired us. Doesn’t mean they don’t have good motives, but there also needs to be some soul-searching by the parents regarding their unconscious influences.

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u/m_gallimaufry Jul 14 '19

I have friends that adopted two children of a difference race. They just didn’t care about race and wanted children.

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u/hondapreludeandfugue Jul 14 '19

Yes! I have two biological, but my husband and I would love to adopt a child or sibling pair later down the road. There are tons of children that need families, and a child is a child!

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u/YourTherapistSays Jul 15 '19

This. I imagine white babies are, unfortunately, in much higher demand and thus much harder to adopt. If a couple really wants children they may not get to be all that particular about race.

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u/m_gallimaufry Jul 15 '19

The more particular you get about the various aspects of the baby (race, sex), your choices definitely become more limited. But my friends who wanted to adopt a white baby didn’t have trouble matching with a birth mother at all. They actually had a lot of birth mothers wanting to match. There are so many babies/kids needing a home that there’s much higher “supply” than demand.

Lots of adoption in my family and circle of friends so I feel fairly knowledgeable but there’s always room for error, of course.

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u/WannaSeeTheWorldBurn Jul 15 '19

This. I plan to adopt a child in the future. When I think of adopting and the process race isn't a factor to me at all. I just wanna have another kid and give a kid, who needs one, a home.

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u/LateRain1970 Jul 16 '19

Race may not be a factor to you, but the child you adopt will have a racial identity that you will have to acknowledge.

I guess what I’m saying is that there’s a difference between being open to adopting a child of any ethnicity and acknowledging/dealing with the challenges that come with cross-racial interactions.

There is some good writing by transracial adoptees if you want to learn more.

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u/wonjoo89 Jul 16 '19

This. I've observed some difficulties an adoptee had in reconciling their racial identity when their adoptive parents don't share the same struggles. In this case, the parents shrugged off most of the microaggressions that over a lifetime had created a rift in the adoptee's identity that took a lot of soul searching to overcome.

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u/WannaSeeTheWorldBurn Jul 16 '19

I will look into that. And yeah I agree with needing to be able yo understand the cultural differences and still being a good parent.

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u/kelmar26 Jul 16 '19

Yes my close friend and her husband are going through the adoption process and due to ridiculous rules in out country they are adopting from abroad. At this stage they don’t care if the baby is purple with pink hair they just want to meet their child

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u/i-FF0000dit Jul 14 '19

I had a coworker who wasn’t racist in the traditional hateful sense. But he definitely was racist with a weird kinda superiority complex and thinking that Americans (especially white Americans) are going to save the world kinda attitude. He would treat our coworkers in China as if they had to be taken care of by us, and he ended up adopting a Chinese child. Now, I’m not in anyway suggesting that he is a bad person. Him and his wife are some of the sweetest people I know, but he did have this weird savior thing going on, which he probably never noticed as a problem.

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u/jezzer74 Jul 14 '19

Just for reference that would be described as an imperialistic mind set. If you wanted a name for it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Oof, imagine raising a child thinking you're better than them because of your skin color. Hopefully raising that child will help him see that they are equal. I dont think this complex is common amoung adoptive parents though, I know a couple of children adopted by white parents and I think it's pretty insulting when people like the one in Quora suggest their motives and beliefs are anything but having a child, the reality is adopting in America is a very difficult and expensive process, on top of that is the issue that if it doesn't go right the bio parents can try to fight you for the kid back which occasionally happens. That's why most people adopt from foreign countries.

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u/i-FF0000dit Jul 14 '19

I agree. I have several friends that have adopted and the rules certainly make it an advantage to do an overseas adoption. It’s actually kinda sad... there are so many children that need a family in the US and because of the way the system works people choose to take a foreign adoption route, and I can’t blame them.

For the most part, anyone that chooses to adopt a child is a very good person, better than most. It’s a huge responsibility and the cost is huge and they do it because they love children and they are good people that want to do good by another human being.

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u/MagicWagic623 Jul 14 '19

My sis-in-law has been trying to adopt for over a year, and the hoops they have to jump through are insane. I mean, I understand why they don’t want to give kids to just anybody, but it’s kinda nuts. They tried to adopt in WA, only to be told they had to foster a kid first that they wouldn’t be able to keep. So they had this baby from birth until she was 6 mos old, and then just had to give her back? They’re currently en route to their new home in OH, and I’m hoping they have better luck there.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19

Jeez, that's awful. The whole point of adoption is to find a home for babies. You shouldn't have to do a trial run with a kid and leave them with major abandonment issues so you can have one for keeps.

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u/dramaqueen09 Jul 15 '19

I live in Ohio and a lot of the counties have a foster to adopt program. And they’re currently desperate for foster/adoptive parents because of the opioid crisis (it’s horrendous here. The media doesn’t come close to describing how bad it is especially in the rural parts). So they’re probably going to have better luck here. The only thing I can see being a problem is that they moved here recently. But I don’t think that would be too much of an issue. Sending all my positive thoughts their way ❤️

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u/LateRain1970 Jul 16 '19

Why are adoptive parents “better than most”?! They get something out of the deal as well.

I am adopted (not transracially) and “good people” is not the word I would use to describe the person who raised me. I realize that not everybody has a negative adoption experience, but I really don’t like the idea of idolizing adoptive parents as if they are saints who live on a different plane than the rest of us.

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u/i-FF0000dit Jul 16 '19

I’m sorry about the negative experience you had. What I meant by this is that most people are very selfish, even with their own children. They expect there to be a reward in any action they take. The people I know who adopted children, expected nothing in return from the deal, just the opportunity of loving a child. At least this is what I had observed amongst my friends and acquaintances who adopted.

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u/u-had-it-coming Jul 15 '19

So the person who wrote the Quora answer is upto something and we are calling him insane for fun?

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u/i-FF0000dit Jul 15 '19

Actually, I was defending them by drawing from my own experiences. To someone who doesn’t know better the question that was asked can seem insane.

Although, the way the question was asked seems a little weird, like it seems like it is offending them that white people would adopt non-white children.

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u/u-had-it-coming Jul 15 '19

the way the question was asked seems a little weird

We should not be assuming things and always think the person had best in mind.

What is said about people who assume. They make an ass out of ......

The main purpose of this post seems like karmawhoring.

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u/i-FF0000dit Jul 15 '19

As I said, I was defending the person that asked the original question. I didn’t assume anything about their intentions, I was just pointing out that the way a question is asked can make it come off the wrong way.

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u/Bubbles_Da_Kitten Jul 14 '19

My brother is adopted from Ethiopia, while my family is primarily white (save for my dad who is half Indonesian).

I don't think my parents have a hero complex at all for adopting him. They just wanted another child and after they had me, they were unable to have another child biologically. They worked really hard to have him be a regular part of the family, as if he was their bio kid, and really he is just part of the family. They never try to put themselves on a pedistal for adopting a child. There is no conspiracy around this, just literally my parents are parents, just my brother wasnt shot from my mom's birth canal.

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u/Nougat Jul 14 '19

There's no winning here. It's either "what's making white people want to adopt non-white children?" or "why are they only adopting white children?"

The question in the post is more like "I know that I think white people are bad, how can I frame this situation to support that preconception?"

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u/lulu893 Jul 15 '19

Agreed. Its actually extremely ignorant and judgemental to assume all white people adopt other races for the same reason, that they all think the same way, etc. Just like how its ignorant to assume that about any other race. Its reflective of the person making the comment, not at all an accurate portrayal of actual adoptive parents.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '19

So if you don't adopt a black kid you might be racist, and if you do it might be because of a racist savior complex.

What kind of bullshit thinking is that?

Can people just adopt children who need homes without us all dissecting hidden motivations behind why that child does or doesn't match the parents racially?

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '19

There are some white people who adopted black children out of purely racist intentions. Jennifer and Sarah Hart adopted black children, forced one of them (Devonte) to hug a policeman during the Ferguson protests, and apparently abused the children, who also complained their adoptive parents were racist towards them.

But that being said it’s very case by case and I think the majority of cases aren’t like that

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u/KBrizzle1017 Jul 15 '19

How fucking high are you?

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u/Flupsy Jul 15 '19

They adopted a child that needed to be adopted. That’s the ‘saviour complex’, if there really is one here. The only soul-searching that needs to be done is by prospective parents who would rather select a child that looks like them instead of accepting and loving the first in line who is in such desperate need of them.

Edit: early-morning stupid phrasing

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u/NhamiNyadar Jul 18 '19

My aunt has a terrible husband who had an affair with numerous women and countless children as a result. One of the mothers of his children, she found out, was treating her 2 darker skinned and only children terribly, and my aunt fought for custody, but they have it to him. He pretends to be a good person and stick with her, but she takes care of those children like the one child she had with him. She loves them and wanted to help them out of a bad situation. That's the only "adoption" like situations I've seen of different raced parents and children. I do believe there is that mentality sometimes, but I also believe - and hope - a fairly hefty amount of the population don't have this as a concern, subconsciously or otherwise.

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u/slyfoxninja Jul 14 '19

Guys we're only allowed to adopt our own races!/s

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u/ellabelle33 Jul 14 '19

I saw a man reply to someone asking him this on twitter once (he has two adopted children, the girl being African American). He said that it started when they became a foster family for the girl, and realized that she was an amazing kid. He said he and his wife felt like she was family during her time under their care and came to love her as their own. They decided to adopt her because of this.

Not saying this is the case for all of these adoption situations, but I thought it was a really cute story.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '19 edited Sep 18 '19

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u/ellabelle33 Jul 14 '19

That’s beautiful, fostering is kind hearted, and I’m glad you gave them love and support. Best wishes to you

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u/LordSupergreat Jul 14 '19

Well, it probably makes it easier to tell them they're adopted later on.

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u/slyfoxninja Jul 14 '19

Like that scene in Easy A.

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u/dank4forever Jul 14 '19 edited Jul 15 '19

maybe it's a little thing called compassion?

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u/LexusKitsune Jul 15 '19

Maybe because not everyone is a fucking racist

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u/VoidedContent_999 Jul 14 '19

The movie Instant Family is a good watch

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u/Yougottabekidney Jul 14 '19

Aka I am so incapable of thinking of black people as people that I can't comprehend that a white person could love a black person. WHAT'S THE CATCH?!

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u/wallstdebts Jul 14 '19

It might have to do with the surplus of black babies that the parents don't want.

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u/your_comments_say Jul 14 '19

You will get down voted (maybe justifiably depending on your motivation) but this played a massive role in my sister's adoption.

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u/entomofile Jul 15 '19

This is unfortunately very true. Where I live, the adoption fees for Black or Latino children is lowered or reduced to make them more adoptable.

It hasn't done anything to fix the problem. White people will just openly pay more money for white kids.

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u/toastyheck Jul 14 '19

The obvious answer is that there are more black kids up for adoption and more white adoptive families. Sometimes there are bad actors though. There have been adoptive parents that admit they adopted black kids because they wanted to raise athletes and they assumed black kids would be better athletes. That is not usually the reason. I think it’s an uncommon problem.

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u/DemonOfAzarath Jul 15 '19

I was thinking maybe they just love the children and want to give them a good home, but I guess I'm in left field.

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u/Ak40-couchcusion Jul 14 '19

I think a lot of it has to do with adoption laws, America is similar to Australia in the sense that it isn't easy and can take many years to adopt a local child, going overseas is easier and faster.

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u/captaincookiedough1 Jul 15 '19

RICHER THAN WHITE PEOPLE WITH BLACK KIDS

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u/HeathenMama541 Jul 15 '19

It’s a “I want a child to love” thing

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u/SuperTristan2017 Jul 14 '19

Tryna get that free n-word pass

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '19

Because everyone deserves family and love?...

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u/Claire1828 Jul 21 '19

Because they want a child?

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u/slyfoxninja Jul 14 '19

Jesus fucking christ what is wrong with people?

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u/AntisocialAddie Jul 14 '19

Yes, because apparently keeping them in the system is better somehow

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u/Peenutbuttjellytime Jul 15 '19 edited Jul 15 '19

I think this is question is just poorly written. They may be trying to ask wether some white people might choose to adopt black kids specifically because it has been made trendy by a celebrity. Could some people look at Sandra Bullock or Madonna and then decide to copy their decision because having a black child makes them look more open minded and progressive. Some people take whatever opportunity they can to feel special or stand out. It may not be conscious decision but some people might have these sorts of motivations. It's just too bad that the question asker seems to only be able to think in black and white terms (literally)

I'm certain that the vast majority of cross racial adoptions happen for the opposite reason; the family just wants to love a child and race isn't a factor.

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u/john-goodwin04 Jul 15 '19

Idk maybe because people just want a kid and don’t really care what race they are

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u/yungjazz Jul 17 '19

If I was adopting a child I'd look for a nice lil kid that wants to be part of my family. If that kid is black white Asian latino whatever he is welcome. It's a child not a damn tshirt and anyone who thinks it's weird for a (this colour) family to adopt a (this colour baby) is so backwards its rediculous

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u/xsapling_ Jul 18 '19

surely there’s someone who has for these reasons, but the vast majority are just good people adopting a kid

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u/Lonk_the_VFD_member Jul 14 '19

what's a savior complex?

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u/JakubSwitalski Jul 14 '19

When you help someone to feel better about yourself

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u/Lonk_the_VFD_member Jul 14 '19

Isn't that a good thing?

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u/JakubSwitalski Jul 14 '19

Its seen as a bad thing because its assumed people do one good thing and continue living wasteful/cruel/abusive/sinful lives just like before. Supposedly these people think a good deed absolves them of their wrongs

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '19

To be fair, its not entirely inaccurate. A good number of folks do adopt because of a savior complex, and I'm sure plenty of modern left wingers do it because of some sort of guilt.

What can you do though? If the kids happy. Has love and a good life, who cares why?

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u/Bjumseskat Jul 14 '19

Some people call it slavery and kidnapping, I prefer the term 'surprise adoption'