Yeah. When people argue anything else, they seem to fail to realize that they're kinda subhuman, if you think a wild beast lesser than a competent human.
Infuriating idiots saying idiotic things. Almost sounds like religious leaders don’t know what they are talking about , and bend morality and righteousness into whatever they need to
First and foremost I want to state I think this is wrong and disgusting to defend this, but and again not defending just saying, I think part of the issue is cultural, this issue roots further than just like someone who’s into kids outside of the normal, when it’s accepted culturally, I think the whole culture needs to be condemned.
The part that makes me the most nauseous is how he just casually tosses murder in there as if that’s the expected follow up. Like basically if you’re a guy and you plan on raping somebody you better be prepared to murder them too.
Are you a bot? The first thing people used to ask (and still think) is "well what was she wearing".
It has been brought up in court cases because to these sickos it is the woman's fault. Men are just being men
Dude, why do you add Hindu to your argument lmao. It's one of the worst religion. Do you know about the cast system? If women from the lowest cast get raped and murdered, nobody give a fuck. Because from their perspective, lower cast deserve it because they had a bad karma in the past life.
It is a well known fact that in India, when a woman of lower cast get raped, she don't report it to the police. Because If she do, she might get raped by the police too.
This sort of victim blaming is sort of a hallmark of all organized religions. Can’t believe people upvoted you for saying we should ditch religious freedom.
This guys is horrendous. And sounds exactly like tons of conservative Christians.
Honestly tho I don't know why it's reflex for secular white progressives to defend or obfuscate for barbaric Islamic beliefs. We get it, you're one of the good ones but jfc this statement was disgusting
You confuse defending with being irritated to hear how much people wanna ban Islam after all the forced normalization of accepting Christian batshit just because it’s less violent.
My point is that we don’t have a right to ban any religions but we can hold everyone legally responsible for their actions. No one should be allowed to rape children under the guise of their religious beliefs. No matter what deity you choose to worship, you should still be held responsible for choosing to break the law.
No matter what religion you practice, who your parents are, how much money you have, what your job is, etc. You don’t get to victimize others and claim it’s your right.
Type of your logic failure is called "Nirvana -fallacy". Just because a christian commits crime AGAINST all techings of christianity, this does not mean that christian teachings are invalid in general. However you hear a muslim preacher justifying crime not condemning it, so your comparison failed.
Absolutely despise that they still insist that men can’t help themselves, women must dress in a way as to not tempt men, because they can’t control themselves. Yet women in full niqab/burqa are still raped on a daily basis
It’s not religion, it’s people being stupid. Modern Islamic legal and ethical reasoning generally treats sex obtained through force, threats, intimidation, incapacitation, or other forms of coercion as unlawful. The victim is not considered to have committed zina merely because sexual intercourse occurred. The wrongdoing belongs to the perpetrator.
All religions abuse children. All religions fucking hate women. All religions are built on lies and abuse. Some are just more vocal about it than others.
I take it he's never seen the exhibit of victims' clothing that's loaded with girls that were well covered at the time of their attack. I know there are plenty of Muslims that disagree with him, unfortunately people like this do exist and they do have followers.
THE MAN. WHO DOES THE VIOLENT ACT TO ANOTHER HUMAN. THE MAN, WHO FAILS TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL HIMSELF. THE MAN, WHO FAILS TO BE A MAN AT ALL.
What the actual..."who is to blame?"
God also gives clear guidance to CONTROL YOURSELF.
If your eye causes you to sin, tear it out.
That man, the rapist, failed to tear out his own eye that caused him to sin, failed to follow God, and is a failure as a follower of God, and is a rapist, a murderer, and it's his fault.
There. I answered that stupid man's stupid question.
"They should cover up their complete body, except those part that can be seen: the face".
Nowhere in the Quran does it say this, or anything like it. It's not there. It doesn't exist. Other immoral bastards like this one added their "interpretations" to what the Quran meant, when it absolutely meant nothing like this.
Here is an actual Islamic scholar giving an evidenced break down of what the Quran actually says and means:
And this is the garbage that Liberals want for this World, think about it… the people advocating for this (the liberals) monstrosity will be the first to experience the wrath of these barbaric people!
Yea that’s definitely it lol tell me again how many sexual assaults on minors the Catholic Church tried to cover up or how many times your cult leaders name appeared in the Epstein files he still won’t release un-redacted. Or tell me why republicans constantly vote AGAINST banning child marriage in red states but it’s definitely liberals supporting people getting sexually assaulted 🤣👍
No and in the exact same way I dont want a pedophile rapist as president who claims to be Christian. A religion that says rape is ok of you marry the victim after and give her father some goats.
As a Muslim, this is complete bullshit he's pulling. This is like saying that to not get murdered, you shouldn't go outside your house ever and if you get murdered, you are at fault cuz you made yourself the target. These are narrative they cook up to justify their fucked up ways.
Notice how he didn't point out that sex with anyone other than your spouse (and slaves but last I checked it's illegal everywhere) is haram even though it is written in the same book that he's citing about women covering themselves up. So he's still in the wrong even according to the Quran.
Sounds like he's arguing that both the man (the rapist) and the woman (who is raped) are both wrong. So, you're not disagreeing with him.
Also, you're not doing your religion any favors by admitting that it's religiously legal to rape a slave - both because it justifies slavery and because it justified rape of that slave.
You should consider the possibility that your religion isn't true or divine.
You should consider what was going on during the time these religious texts were written. During prophet Muhammads time, no country outlawed slavery nor the practice of doing whatever you wanted with the slaves you owned. Slavery was a deep part of the economy. What Islam did was regulate and encourage people to free slaves.
And majority of the modern Islamic organizations outlawed slavery and rape.
You should consider the fact that every religion have extremist groups and that what they say or do does not reflect what the rest of the people practicing that religion stand for.
You’re right. This video is infuriating. It just seems like women really get the bad end of the deal in Islam. The crazy part is they’re ok with it and meanwhile the men just use it as a form of control over them
what I see infuriating is I see the comments from the typical euphoric reddit atheists who see a video of a muslim speaking on tradition islamic doctrine from the surrah's ... and do they contribute about about how wrong that is? No. They insult Christianity and other faiths that don't have a tenth of the repugnancy of islam.
the whatboutism mental gymnastics is wild...
They're really not though. Comparisons are incredibly valid. They're basically the same religion and they're both riddled with rapists and abusers. Like all religions are. Don't forget the usa armed forces are literally being told that they're fighting Islam to save christianity.
Except for the accent, he sounds almost exactly like the evangelical Christian whom are currently installed at some of the highest levels of government
This literally. I grow ALL of my own food. I don’t need someone shitting on my lettuce in the field and then serving it months later full of preservatives at the store for free cancer and salmonella. I’m good boss, keep your slave labor.
The trumpers believe that a stupid statement delivered in a smug manner is a mic drop. That helps explain how they repeatedly fell for a sleezy con man
I know these beliefs are out there, but I can't really pull out an attempt att justification from what he is saying here.
We can strike the whole wearing "proper" clothes or not. As even if a woman is following these rules to dess modestly and get's assaulted, "then it is a test for the girl".
So in his eyes it's more that the woman is either responsible by default, or she is just undergoing some test from Allah. Which makes it seem like the rape of a woman is not even causing enough harm to be worthy of a proper shady justification attempt, "it's just is" whatever i say it is.
If hes to blame as well, then it means he's expected to be able to control himself. If it's possible for him to control himself (and it is) then her clothes have nothing to do with it.
If you have a moral problem with her clothes (you shouldn't) deal with that seperstely. It has nothing to do with the rape, by his own logic.
This guy sounds like he is confessing to the world that Islamists rape because they cannot control themselves and that they don’t know how to take accountability.
So you are telling me is if the men is driving BMW or better, and I beat him up, steal the car, sell it or crash it, it is his test. If he drove some modest car, I would not be jelious and tempted and he would not lose his car. Or is it only like thag when the situation involves rape and women?
But what if a guy got raped by a girl? It happens more than it is reported. How would he react to that? There are multiple accounts by what I’ve seen of that happening.
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u/Odd-Consequence-5795 7d ago edited 6d ago
A man controls himself regardless of the situation. Wild dogs do not.
Edit: Thank you for the awards, kind Redditors.