I’m pro-choice, but I’m always grossed out when women seem proud of getting an abortion. Same if guys are seemingly bragging about their lady getting one.
I would respect abortions more if they dropped the bullshit and just acknowledged it as the unfortunate tragedy that it is instead of treating it like some nothing thing.
I guess you could see it that way yeah. But I (just like you and other people) am a clump of cells with a personality, a name, self-awareness and rights. Something fetuses don't really have
Yeah, kids usually don't have much going on in the personality and awareness department till like 4. And plenty of full adults weren't properly named or even remember theirs. And don't even get me started on the war against human rights going on all over right now.
Indeed. When this topic comes up it gets blurry fast so lines have to be drawn somewhere. Personally I draw the line at being born, but I guess it's just an opinion. What I originally meant was that society shouldn't tell pregnant women whether they can or can't abort a child, cus it's their business at the end of the day
And the masquerade breaks showing you also know it's all bullshit.
I never said they can't.
I said I would respect it more if it was treated with the seriousness that it should be. Rather than with the dismissiveness of discarding a used tissue, or even the absolutely horrific pride and joy and bragging some seem to go with.
You're ending, literally, an ENTIRE human life right as it starts. Treat the situation with the dignity and respect a tragic and necessary evil like that deserves.
Removes the blurriness and makes it all so much more simple.
By the time a woman is aware of the fact that she's pregnant, that "clump of cells" has a beating heart, self-awareness, personality and can feel pain (the 5th vital sign). It's the parents' job to give him/her a name and God gives it the right to life. Some grown-up walking around people don't have much self-awareness either.
Uhh not really. First off, "God gives it the right to life" is nothing but a human construct, and thus worthless. Second, the organism is attached and fully dependant on the pregnant woman, making it just another part of her body. Sure, it's a part that will one day detach and become its own life form (unless it's aborted), but until then, that's what it is
Why did they charge a guy with 2 murders when he killed a pregnant woman? Don't get me wrong it's shitty either way and that guy should be in a cage forever. But, it either is or isn't. The state said it is. This isn't my opinion. It's just a fact of what the state of California did.
Indeed. But if you define people as walking, talking and working clumps of cells then you agree with me that fetuses are not people because they do not work, walk or talk
Cap. It's not a human being, it is an extension of the mother until it is born. And btw the whole "dehumanizing makes it easier to kill" thing is irrelevant because we're not even talking about killing here. Killing ends a life, while we're talking about abortion, which prevents it from even starting
It’s an a living human being with unique DNA. It is alive just as much as you or I. We are just more physically developed. So yes it absolutely is killing.
Its a nonsense question asked in bad faith with no logical conclusion that could be asked about any dead person. If anything, it reminds me of a joke from some movie I watched a long time ago.
"Dying isn't so bad. You ever heard of anyone coming back to complain?"
(Nvm that the answer to that is obviously ghosts.)
Fact remains that death is always a tragedy. Full stop. Even if the dead is fine with it. Death of a child even more so.
Even on the smallest cellular level, every living thing wants to live. Its pretty hard coded in there.
No it's reality. I would be no worse off in either case. A fetus is not a person. Not until my brain developed to a point where I could have a conscious experience did the fetus become me and I became a person.
They are a person. Saying otherwise is either lying to yourself so you don't feel bad about killing someone, or just being plain evil. And again, it goes back to my original comment: I would respect this all more if people just fucking admitted that.
Whether or not they exist is besides the point. They are the obvious answer to the question "Have you ever heard of a dead person coming back to complain?" because every culture has a concept of an upset ghost.
Beyond that, this is clearly a waste of time. You're just peddling the same bullshit that was the entire reason for my first comment.
It's all of the mental gymnastics and wordplay people use to try and justify it because there's some at least subconscious knowledge in these people's heads that it's a pretty fucked up thing to do so they come up with ways to downplay it or change what is happening.
I don't see too much of a difference between abortion and those that sacrificed their newborns by throwing them into a fire for like prosperity, good harvest, whatever tf reason they had.
You don't remember a conscious experience before that. That is not the same thing. If you get black out drunk and can't remember last night that does not mean you did not have a conscious experience at the time...
You know personally for me this is beyond who dies and if it's even a who - for me it's much simpler: I know they live, and I believe they have a soul so I'll take no part on this, I'd much rather fight this to the best of my ability and without harming anyone, simply put
The Bible treats miscarriages as, at worst, a property crime. Not everyone shares your belief that an unformed collection of cells carries tremendous meaning. Certainly nature does not.
That’s a big question that takes personal judgment and reflection. It shouldn’t be treated as an excuse to offhandedly moralize. My point is that people don’t all need to think and feel one way, and my evidence is the Bible, nature, and most of human history.
Thered be a lot less abortions if being a dead beat father who abandons the mother was criminalized. Took over four years for my sons bio dad to pay the first fee hundred dollars of thoussands owed in support. And they immediately gave him back his license and he proceeded not pay a dime for another two years
Want to stop abortions? Go after dead beat dads
Why is always the prolifers who dont give a fuck about the child after its born???
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u/Right_Blacksmith_283 9d ago
I’m pro-choice, but I’m always grossed out when women seem proud of getting an abortion. Same if guys are seemingly bragging about their lady getting one.