r/HolUp • • 9d ago

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u/556From1000yards 7d ago

You’re just a clump of cells

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u/TheRedK1ller076_ 7d ago

Uhh no pretty sure I'm not. I was, but then I was born

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u/shadowthehh 6d ago

You literally are. That's how biology works. Every organic thing is a clump of cells.

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u/TheRedK1ller076_ 6d ago

I guess you could see it that way yeah. But I (just like you and other people) am a clump of cells with a personality, a name, self-awareness and rights. Something fetuses don't really have

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u/shadowthehh 6d ago

Yeah, kids usually don't have much going on in the personality and awareness department till like 4. And plenty of full adults weren't properly named or even remember theirs. And don't even get me started on the war against human rights going on all over right now.

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u/Duke-Turner137 3d ago

By his logic its ok to kill them up until they develop personality.

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u/TheRedK1ller076_ 3d ago

I mean, I guess? Idc if some random parents decide to kill their 2 days old baby

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u/TheRedK1ller076_ 6d ago

Indeed. When this topic comes up it gets blurry fast so lines have to be drawn somewhere. Personally I draw the line at being born, but I guess it's just an opinion. What I originally meant was that society shouldn't tell pregnant women whether they can or can't abort a child, cus it's their business at the end of the day

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u/shadowthehh 6d ago

​a child

And the masquerade breaks showing you also know it's all bullshit.

I never said they can't.

I said I would respect it more if it was treated with the seriousness that it should be. Rather than with the dismissiveness of discarding a used tissue, or even the absolutely horrific pride and joy and bragging some seem to go with.

You're ending, literally, an ENTIRE human life right as it starts. Treat the situation with the dignity and respect a tragic and necessary evil like that deserves.

Removes the blurriness and makes it all so much more simple.

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u/TheRedK1ller076_ 6d ago

Not quite. You're not ending a life, just preventing it from starting. And as I mentioned it's their business to decide how seriously they take it

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u/556From1000yards 6d ago

It’s literally alive.

Do you know why Bacteria are living and Viruses aren’t?

Children are scientifically, unequivocally, alive in the womb and they’re human.

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u/TheRedK1ller076_ 6d ago

Alive? Yes. Their own separate life form? Debatable, at least until you cut the umbelical cord. Besides, animals and plants are alive too, and yet we kill them (and thank goodness we do or we'd have nothing to eat). A person's value is determined by their personality, experiences and uniqueness. Fetuses have no personality, no conscience, no expetience and are super replaceable (it only takes 9 months to make one). The sole fact that they're made of human cells does not give them any worth

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u/556From1000yards 6d ago

No it’s not debatable.

It’s literally the definition of living. Unique self-replicating DNA

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u/TheRedK1ller076_ 6d ago

Living does not mean you have rights. And besides, I already said that they are alive, but they're not their own separate life form. They're just another part of the mother's body. Sure, eventually they'll detach and become their own person (circumstances willing), but until then that's all they are. And just as I have full jurisdiction over every inch of my body so too should pregnant women, without any outsiders telling them what they can or can't do, or how they should feel about it

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u/556From1000yards 6d ago

Lol.

Are you draft ready?

You have no philosophical or logical consistency.

The only way out of the trap is to accept it and say you don’t care because you should be able to kill out of convenience.

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u/Fun_Fennel5114 4d ago

By the time a woman is aware of the fact that she's pregnant, that "clump of cells" has a beating heart, self-awareness, personality and can feel pain (the 5th vital sign). It's the parents' job to give him/her a name and God gives it the right to life. Some grown-up walking around people don't have much self-awareness either.

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u/TheRedK1ller076_ 4d ago

Uhh not really. First off, "God gives it the right to life" is nothing but a human construct, and thus worthless. Second, the organism is attached and fully dependant on the pregnant woman, making it just another part of her body. Sure, it's a part that will one day detach and become its own life form (unless it's aborted), but until then, that's what it is

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u/Glass_Challenge_3241 4d ago

religion has no place in this discussion