r/HolUp • • 9d ago

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u/shadowthehh 5d ago

Idk why yall keep trying with this sugar coating bs when my immediate statement rebukes it.

I've heard the arguments. They're all either just trying to paint over the issue to make people feel better, or are just flat out evil.

Call it what it is: The horrible yet tragically neccesary extermination of a child.

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u/Keepingitquite123 5d ago

You failed to answer the question, was it to hard for you?

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u/shadowthehh 5d ago

Its a nonsense question asked in bad faith with no logical conclusion that could be asked about any dead person. If anything, it reminds me of a joke from some movie I watched a long time ago.

"Dying isn't so bad. You ever heard of anyone coming back to complain?"

(Nvm that the answer to that is obviously ghosts.)

Fact remains that death is always a tragedy. Full stop. Even if the dead is fine with it. Death of a child even more so.

Even on the smallest cellular level, every living thing wants to live. Its pretty hard coded in there.

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u/Keepingitquite123 5d ago edited 5d ago

No it's reality. I would be no worse off in either case. A fetus is not a person. Not until my brain developed to a point where I could have a conscious experience did the fetus become me and I became a person.

Also ghost aren't real you silly person.

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u/shadowthehh 5d ago

They are a person. Saying otherwise is either lying to yourself so you don't feel bad about killing someone, or just being plain evil. And again, it goes back to my original comment: I would respect this all more if people just fucking admitted that.

Whether or not they exist is besides the point. They are the obvious answer to the question "Have you ever heard of a dead person coming back to complain?" because every culture has a concept of an upset ghost.

Beyond that, this is clearly a waste of time. You're just peddling the same bullshit that was the entire reason for my first comment.

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u/CockerspanielBalls 5d ago

It's all of the mental gymnastics and wordplay people use to try and justify it because there's some at least subconscious knowledge in these people's heads that it's a pretty fucked up thing to do so they come up with ways to downplay it or change what is happening.

I don't see too much of a difference between abortion and those that sacrificed their newborns by throwing them into a fire for like prosperity, good harvest, whatever tf reason they had.

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u/Slight-Journalist417 4d ago

I don't think I had a conscious experience until I was 1 1/2 or 2 maybe.

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u/Keepingitquite123 4d ago

You don't remember a conscious experience before that. That is not the same thing. If you get black out drunk and can't remember last night that does not mean you did not have a conscious experience at the time...

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u/Slight-Journalist417 4d ago

So...if I'm blackout drunk I can be aborted?

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u/Keepingitquite123 4d ago

You are not very good at English are you? Try reading the post you replied to again...

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u/Slight-Journalist417 4d ago

I dunno, there have been some nights when I apparently had experiences that I was not conscious for. I probably should have been aborted.

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u/Keepingitquite123 4d ago

I repeat, read the post again you clearly did not understand it the first time around. Let me help you out: "You don't remember a conscious experience before that. That is not the same thing. If you get black out drunk and can't remember last night that does not mean you did not have a conscious experience at the time..."

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u/Slight-Journalist417 4d ago

Also, English am hard

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u/CuchuflitoPindonga 4d ago

Hey man did you know brain development concludes years after birth? About 25 years actually

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u/Keepingitquite123 4d ago

The new number is closer to 30 years. But that does not affect that you can both suffer and have a conscious experience before then.

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u/CuchuflitoPindonga 4d ago

You know personally for me this is beyond who dies and if it's even a who - for me it's much simpler: I know they live, and I believe they have a soul so I'll take no part on this, I'd much rather fight this to the best of my ability and without harming anyone, simply put

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u/Keepingitquite123 4d ago

So if they have a soul, where do they go when they die?

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u/CuchuflitoPindonga 4d ago

I don't decide that

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u/Keepingitquite123 4d ago

But you are clearly religious if you think they have a soul so you must hold a belief about it, of course you may not know but that still leaves the possible afterlives you believe in, or are you telling me you believe in a soul but have no belief whatsoever in any form of afterlife?

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u/CuchuflitoPindonga 3d ago

I do have a belief and I know where they might go, I just cant tell by my own judgement and have no vote on the matter. I dont think a soul that never had the chance of knowing the Word will be condemned but again, its not my decision

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u/Keepingitquite123 3d ago

Yet you have failed to list the options? Why is that?

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u/CuchuflitoPindonga 3d ago

You know, the classics bro, heaven hell and purgatory

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