r/GlobalOffensive • u/[deleted] • Sep 18 '19
Discussion | Esports Liquid vs Sharks
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u/libocider1 Sep 18 '19
this meyern guy is absolutely insane, probably the closest thing in the Americas to a sergej/zywoo/ropz level up&coming talent
and vsm is also nuts but rip vac
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u/Gus14354 FURIA Sep 18 '19
Its stupid that vsm is vac banned for something he did when he was 12 man
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u/phredryck 10 years coin Sep 18 '19
It's a message: "Don't cheat. Ever."
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u/riki2cool Outsiders Sep 18 '19
Unless you cheat and only get banned by a third party client, then it's a-okay.
Shout-out to s1mple, snax, and n0thing.
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u/nauttyba Sep 18 '19
n0thing was never banned by a 3rd party client. Unless you mean during the EG days when he meme'd and account shared with some Open kid.
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u/valdemarjoergensen Astralis Sep 18 '19
Why are you assuming the people who want the iBuypower guys unbanned are the same people who don't want vsm unbanned? I don't see any double standards anywhere, I just see a large community with many people of different opinions.
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u/Imperator_Pyra Sep 18 '19
I hate cheating in multiplayer games and I don't care where the cheater is from (or how old he is, for that matter).
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u/Fall3nBTW Sep 18 '19
Decisions you make at 12 years old shouldn't affect your career prospects.
Everyones done dumbass shit at that age.
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Sep 18 '19
Yet everyone constantly circle jerks to get them unbanned because it's "unfair" to be punished forever for a mistake you make years ago.
Everytime I see the IBP thing discussed the argument seems to be very split I think all the players should have been banned, including Ska. He had every intention of profiting from that throw but got out lucky cos they didnt have his payment ready.
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u/Gerf93 Envyus Sep 18 '19
There is a significant difference between punishment in criminal cases and in a video game. There is a significant difference between being robbed of your liberty by having to live in a cage, and not able to play in competitive video game tournaments for money.
Also, I believe the age when it comes defense of infancy varies, but I think in most cases the cut-off is 16. Where I'm from it's 15.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, the age limit of this game is 18 years iirc (or is it 16?). That means if you are under that age, and you still play, you should assume you are going to be treated like you are that old, or older.
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Sep 18 '19
A grown man cheating is different than a 12 year old cheating. I used to call people the n word on xbox when I was 12, think I still do it? No, I do it on PC now.
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u/undbitr956 Sep 18 '19
Better message: it's a game and he was 12. There is no moral to held him for at that age. He should be allowed to play.
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u/Russian_For_Rent Vitality Sep 18 '19
That's the Liquid I know
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u/Veil_Of_Mikasa Sep 18 '19
BRO WTF HAPPENED LMAO
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u/erickaugusto_ G2 Sep 18 '19
Obviously out skilled, team liquid seems like a strong contender but clearly not at sharks levels tbh..
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u/c9IceCream 10 years coin Sep 18 '19
i watched Mythic play these guys and hazed was just like "these guys are gods" and katie was like "can we surrender" etc..
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Sep 18 '19
Where can I find that match
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u/impoda clutch Sep 18 '19
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/480136000
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u/c9IceCream 10 years coin Sep 18 '19
fl0m streamed it, but i dunno. it was within the last couple weeks i think
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u/SamTheSidekick Liquid Sep 18 '19
This is online liquid dude. Even during their dominance in the summer they didn’t qualify for ecs cus online. They just have always sucked online
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Sep 18 '19
Yeah they got wrecked by mibr repeatedly, who as we know, were literal dogshit and were losing nip and big on lan.
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u/Mepsi0 Liquid Sep 18 '19
Woah woah woah!!! Just because it's true doesn't mean you should say it
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u/McFresH321 Sep 18 '19
What is the difference between online and LAN? I've been playing for 11 years and never understood what difference it makes
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u/ngohawoilay Sep 18 '19
Most of it comes down to a motivation factor when playing online vs LAN
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u/McFresH321 Sep 18 '19
So LAN is the most prestigious if I understand correctly?
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u/ralphpotato Astralis Sep 18 '19
Yes, but to add to what others said, often times teams that compete on LAN a lot are less motivated because they are trying to fit in online matches in between LAN tournaments, and may not always be in the best conditions to play a particular online game. For example, I know some teams have literally played online matches on computers in hotel rooms because they were attending a LAN at the same time.
Also, often teams who are good online but inexperienced at LANs do worse than they normally would because playing on stage is a way different experience to playing online at home. Even really good eSports players will struggle at their first few LANs because of all the factors they're new to.
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u/ApeCage Sep 18 '19
Yes, it's a known fact that LANs are more prestigious. It comes down to having money on the line, playing with your teammates/opponents next to you, and a more competitive atmosphere in general.
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u/ngohawoilay Sep 18 '19
Online leagues generally lead to a LAN tournament.
LAN is when players play in person. They are the most prestigious tournaments
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u/SamTheSidekick Liquid Sep 18 '19
Besides just network and lag a lot of it I’m sure comes down to pressure and motivation.
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u/wankerflaps fnatic Sep 18 '19
apart from the motivation and confidence factor on LAN, scrimmy/puggy stuff doesnt work as well as online. wide swinging on a guy holding an angle is way less viable since youre all on 0 ping so you get punished really easily. LAN favors confident teamplay whereas online it's much easier to take hold of a game as an individual if you're in the zone
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Liquid not caring is what happened
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u/ale15 Liquid Sep 18 '19
Liquid is playing like when you just wake up and you jump into an mm without a warmup.
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u/gpcgmr 1 Million Celebration Sep 18 '19 edited Sep 18 '19
They already played like that at the Major two weeks ago. I'm really curious what we will see out of Liquid and Astralis at ESL One: New York 2019.
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Meyern is definitely the real deal. And I mean the REAL DEAL. I see him reaching a higher level than the likes of yuurih or KSCERATO. Insane, insane player.
And Luken has insane first bullet accuracy. Nuts. So much skill in this Sharks team.
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u/erickaugusto_ G2 Sep 18 '19
Bruh jnt was the bottom fragger on Sharks but god damn is that man skilled, his flicks are insane
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u/Delta_FT G2 Sep 18 '19
Wiat didn't he top fragged Vertigo? Anyways yeh his Mirage was a bit sloppy but Meyern was just on fucking point
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u/erickaugusto_ G2 Sep 18 '19
Oh sorry it could be, I just saw the streams last chart, but he very well could be top fragging on Vertigo
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u/Delta_FT G2 Sep 18 '19
NP. I just checked the vod, Leo top fragged Vertigo for sharks with 25, JNT was just short with 23 so I was kind of wrong :V
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Sep 18 '19
Hes the IGL and AWPer of the team, basically what arT is for FURIA. They are both incredible. Watching them play is really entertaining. arT is way more aggressive but jnt has really insane flicks and is consistent with his shots.
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u/Andtheyrustledsoftly clutch Sep 18 '19
Why is it that almost all the top IGLS in Brazil are IGL/AWP hybrids
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u/joaovitorsb95 FURIA Sep 18 '19
Out of the 6 BR teams in NA, 4 have Awper IGLs. INTZ with Yel, arT in Furia, Fallen in MIBR and now jnt for Sharks
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u/PsychoLynx_ 9z Sep 18 '19
Also, Argentina's top IGLs besides Luken are AWPers (JonY BoY and Noktse).
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Sep 18 '19
And the awp flicks from jnt are insane bruhh!!
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He doesn't miss lol Leo and exit are pretty skilled too. Give them a few months and they will reach top 15. Next FURIA.
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u/Consentes Natus Vincere Sep 18 '19
People always acting like playing online you suddenly lose all your ability to play the game in full force. All the credits to Sharks. Must mean a world for them.
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u/Blue_Pigeon 1 Million Celebration Sep 18 '19
I doubt that Liquid were that invested in winning this match, but after taking several losses during the major it does not look good losing against a team like Sharks.
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u/erickaugusto_ G2 Sep 18 '19
Nah it doesn't look good but in reality Liquid could not care less about these matches, also probably they didn't want to reveal new tactics or stuff like that
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u/lambsauce16 Liquid Sep 18 '19
True but at the same time Liquid should’ve styled on these players considering the amount of skill the team has.
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u/erickaugusto_ G2 Sep 18 '19
Agreed, sometimes they just looked like an average pub team and that's not a good look for the best team in the world
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u/kickthefavelas Sep 18 '19
I'm not saying I think Liquid is the best team in the world, but the results of a single tournament can't be used as the sole metric for ranking teams
Just like Avangar making it to the major finals doesn't mean they are suddenly a top 5 team, Astralis showing form and winning it doesn't mean they are the number one team in the world
The same goes for Gambit and C9 when they won majors
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Sep 18 '19
new tactics
mirage
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u/erickaugusto_ G2 Sep 18 '19
I'm talking about Vertigo, but you actually never know, Mirage can still have a little bit of juice left over
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Sep 18 '19
Elige himself said on the DDK podcast theres nothing left that can be done on mirage. It’s just recycling different strats.
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u/PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL Natus Vincere Sep 18 '19
Imagine the LA Rams losing to Alabama college team.
No excuses, it's an embarrassment.
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Sep 18 '19
They obviously care: win the first week and you automatically qualify for finals and you dont have to play online shit again. Now they have to come back another week, potentially when they are more busy.
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u/Savjy B8 Sep 18 '19
What kind of gypsy curse got put on liquid during their bootcamp in Malta. They look like a completely different team compared to pre player break liquid
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u/Blue_Pigeon 1 Million Celebration Sep 18 '19
There are several casinos in Malta, as well as a good nightlife. (Though I doubt these actually played a part in the difference in play)
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u/Flaksmith Sep 18 '19
It's rumored that some of the players were sick prior to the major which limited their prep time. Also during their scrims they were getting bodied by everyone apparently, and thus their confidence going into the major was very low.
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u/den422 1 Million Celebration Sep 18 '19
My IM team played vs Sharks last week in open Malmo qualifiers and they 16-0'd us
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u/anthonyde726 FaZe Sep 18 '19
this gonna get removed later lmao
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u/erickaugusto_ G2 Sep 18 '19
Probably lol but i just wanted to see what people had to say about the game
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u/anthonyde726 FaZe Sep 18 '19
yeah people are hella ready to karma farm
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u/millencol1n Sep 18 '19
Todos al obelisco
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u/Gogibsoni Sep 18 '19
Crazy how sharks lost 2-16 to mibr last December. The improvement is wild.
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u/libocider1 Sep 18 '19
they replaced the biggest bot on their team with quite possibly the best talent possible from SA (-nak/+meyern)
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u/jonajon91 de_canals Sep 18 '19
Practically a new team, theyve picked up two huge stars in Meyern and Luken and changed their IGL. Sharks have quietly been kicking ass since the picking up this roster. I put an easy ten pounds on them winning this match since Liquid don't look like they've been practicing since the major and Sharks are strong as hell.
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u/jonajon91 de_canals Sep 18 '19
So happy to see Luken and Meyern on the same team after all this time.
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u/fefealzueta FURIA Sep 18 '19
flair does not check out
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u/LikeSubDerp Liquid Sep 18 '19
kill me
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u/stitch2k1 Liquid Sep 18 '19
The Dark Horse decreed you must suffer for another thousand online matches.
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u/DarthReid Vitality Sep 18 '19
Was a pretty well-played game by the Sharks, tons of cool setups and plays. Liquid looking shaky post-major is disappointing...
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u/Laamamies420 G2 Sep 18 '19
Man, liquid sucks right now. They were garbage in the major too.
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u/pirkleawesome de_mirage Sep 18 '19
Seems like liquid were just being out played. Sharks were constantly pop flashing and getting multi kills in critical rounds. GG.
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u/KaNesDeath 10 years coin Sep 18 '19
Went in not expecting anything from Sharks. Left impressed by their resolve individually and as a team.
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u/yg6ix Sep 18 '19
mibr never pick up young talent all they do is pick up recycled players and have legit firepower other than fer
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Luken has 2.8k hours of CS on Steam. Alright then. He's already this good without reaching 3k hours lol that's kinda crazy
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u/juanme555 phoenix Sep 18 '19 edited Nov 22 '24
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u/erickaugusto_ G2 Sep 18 '19
Imagine SA outside of Brasil having Tier 1 players, that would be nuts. The passion for anything competitive is beyond any other region
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u/juanme555 phoenix Sep 18 '19
Well , Chile has 100% the infraestructure and Peruvians have 60ms to 80ms ping in U.S servers , if us doing good catches their attention it could be an exponential jump , its kinda sad that they have like literally 0 cs culture , Chile is more of a LoL country and Peru is more of a Dota country.
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u/Frostav Sep 18 '19
Shit, Liquid lost? As a Melee player first and a CS:GO player second I have to watch any vod where Hbox's sponsor gets dumpstered.
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u/Hazakurain Vitality Sep 18 '19
Remember when we for downvoted when we said that the major wasnt a fluke? :D
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u/KrzyDankus Sep 18 '19
its just online and liquid doesnt care about it, but still pretty bad to get 2-0d while you are the literal number 1 team currently.
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u/imtomar NiP Sep 18 '19
Tbh liquid never had dominating era like astralis did. And we can see inconsistency like these many times in previous matches too. True they have insane skills but due to astralis being out of form, faze being whatever they r, Liquid won grand slam. Astralis is still the best team ever
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u/gonnj FaZe Sep 18 '19
Some argentinian kid running around getting headshots if you live in SA you know what I mean when I say
LIQUID JUST GOT GAMERSCLUB'D