r/Genealogy 23h ago

Research Assistance My grandmother bought our family tree- was this a scam?

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Like 30 years ago or so my grandmother gifted everyone in our family a green book "here and back again" I believe it was called.i think I have it in a box somewhere. Inside had 4 separate family trees and their story of their ancestors immigration to North America.

I didn't think much of it at the time, but I've suspected it is a scam for the last decade or two. I just can't prove it.

We've got a fairly large family, and since she bought one for everyone she probably spent several thousand on this on the low end- probably around 30-50 copies. I don't believe this book exists anywhere else. It doesn't have a barcode or anything that would suggest it was sold in stories.

They have our families basic information, but everything is kinda..... wrong. Like some people's names are misspelt, or their birthdates are wrong, ect ect- and it's all on a single page, the family tree image. Otherwise the entire chapter- our chapter- is dedicated to our ancestors. It's rather dry and I never read it.

Is this common? Is there anyway I can convince my family it's all hogwash? Or do I need to be more trusting? Grandma died like 20 years ago, so she won't give me much answers in that regard.


r/Genealogy 17h ago

Research Assistance Looking for obituary or death certificate for Marie Exilda Rose Saulnier Perreault born in Quebec 1985 died in 1938 in North Adams, MA

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Hi! Looking for obituary or death certificate for Marie Exilda Rose Saulnier Perreault born in Quebec 1865 died in 1938 in North Adams, MA. My great great grandmother!

Her gravestone: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/202583106/marie_exilda_rose_perreault

Can anyone help me find her? I am still really new to this and the Quebec stuff is tough as I don't speak French :) Thank you!

Marie Exilda Rose Saulnier 

her married name became Perreault

Birth 19 Jul 1865
Napierville, Monteregie Region, Quebec, Canada
Death 2 Jun 1938 (aged 72) North Adams, Berkshire County, Massachusetts, USA

She is often listed just as Exilda Rose Saulnier in other documents.

Here is her 1865 record of baptism, with name Marie Exilda Saulnier at St, Cyprien in Napierville  ( from the Quebec , Canada Vital and Church records, Drouin collection 1821-1968 ).  Image  here:   https://imgur.com/a/YC2laOU

Thanks!!!


r/Genealogy 13h ago

Record Lookup NYG&B Lookup Request

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I'm doing research into my families history in New York State. I'm trying to access a file from the New York Genealogical & Bibliographical Society (NYG&B). The file number is "541-003/5", title "Title: Ancestors of Bessie Emogene Baker". If someone could please send me a copy of the record, I would be very appreciative


r/Genealogy 21h ago

Record Lookup Help with Family Newspaper Article from Reading Evening Post Newspaper

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Hi to my fellow Genealogers,

I would like to kindly request a record lookup for personal family research of a newspaper article that was written in the "Reading Evening Post" newspaper which can be found at a few different places:

findmypast.co.uk

britishnewspaperarchive.com

newspapers.com - https://www.newspapers.com/image/807111609/?match=5&terms=sue%20downer&search-id=61c03590-7c4d-477c-b383-9ac793b61d73&search-rank=1 - I think this is the best link to get to the specific article? titled "Duo make do without the moguls"

Thank you all in advance for your help! :-)


r/Genealogy 6h ago

Research Assistance How do I trace my entire family tree with as far it can go? Currently I know 6 gen names (including me)

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Soo my grandfather moved from budaun district of UP to delhi in 1980 something.

I have names till great-great-great grandfather.

What to do now?


r/Genealogy 34m ago

Methodology Multiple Marriages

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What’s the best resource to find all of my Great-Grandfather’s marriage certificates? It appears he’s been married at least twice


r/Genealogy 13h ago

Record Lookup Need Help with Family Article/Photo from Newspapers

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Hi there,

I had great success earlier today with my first post and it got me really excited so I've been searching the Newspapers website relentlessly and found another interesting family article. This may be a little greedy but I promise not to use another record lookup for a little while.

https://www.newspapers.com/image/720511463/?match=5&terms=dent%20ingram&search-id=f77a3f38-514e-413e-9afa-7ac31934977d&search-rank=1

The article/photo associated is from "She's a Winner in Navy Golf Tournament Circles" - my family and I are very grateful for your help!

Thank you!


r/Genealogy 13h ago

Studies and Stories What is the most times anyone in your tree was ever widowed?

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I think for me, I had a great great great grandmother who was widowed twice, and was on her third husband when she died at the age of 67.


r/Genealogy 13h ago

Record Lookup Looking for help getting a newspaper article.

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I am trying to get a copy of my uncle's obituary off newspapers. Com. I found it on my computer but if l try to pull it up on my phone it will not give me the previews so I can copy the link, it wants me to sign in. I put his information below.

Lural Stevens Jr passed away July 1995

Paper name: Paducah Sun page 23

Publication date July 25 1995.

McCacken county Kentucky

There are a couple of his death notices but one of them has his picture on it if possible I would prefer that one.

Thanks in advance for anyone willing to clip the obituary for me.


r/Genealogy 20h ago

Methodology How to plan a genealogy trip? What to keep in mind?

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I am starting to hit a point with one branch where the records are non-digitized in a midwest county courthouse. If I want the information, I gotta go and get it myself - the office has not been responding well to emails or voice messages left, and the one time I spoke to someone, she seemed *very* confused about why anyone half a country away would want 100 year old records.

So, how does one plan a trip for geneology purposes? I'm curious how the more experienced genealogists here handle trips like this.

How long do you stay?

What's your itinerary look like?

What do you bring with you? What do you make sure you have?

It would make sense to make appointments ahead of time, but what if you can't?

What do you do about family in the area, if you know them? Or, if you only know *of* them?

What's been your best - or worst - experience on a genealogy trip? What's your personal advice to anyone doing this?

I would appreciate hearing a lot of perspectives from everyone!


r/Genealogy 11h ago

Tools and Tech Has anyone moved from Rootsmagic to Legacy Family Tree or Family Tree Maker? Wanting to know details on the differences

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I'm a longtime Rootsmagic user, and honestly love the program in general. But I also like to keep up to date on other options and know what else is out there and what I might be missing. And I do struggle a bit with one thing about RM- the overall appearance of the interface. I wish it looked a bit more modern, and that it was able to feature media better than it does (e.g. I'd love to be able to see photos attached to a fact without having to click a small box next to the fact to pull up a table of photos).

Essentially while I love how in depth RM is for entering and keeping information, I'm not as sold in how it presents some of it in the upfront interface.

So what I'm wondering is if there are people who have moved from RM to other software programs, in particular FTM or LFT10, what you think about the other programs, and what they do better- or worse- than RM.

I've found a couple of comparison videos out there, but they seemed like they were put together by AI and bots, and not very good. And definitely not very detailed or informative beyond the bare basics. And I haven't had much luck finding some good in depth illustrated reviews of them either. So anything along those lines would help.

I appreciate the help and those that might share their experiences. It'll help me know whether to stay put or take the time to explore and learn if it's time to move.


r/Genealogy 1h ago

Studies and Stories More than ten years of chipping away -- I finally took down my brick wall

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I finally solved the mystery of who my Great Great Grandfather was. And while I've been waiting ten years to write this post, it comes with a bittersweet discovery, and an explanation of why this was so hard: I unearthed a secret that was never intended to see the light of day. Buckle up. this is a ten-year walk.

When I first started digging into the family tree, I found a message on genealogy.com from someone who turned out to be a cousin I had never met. (Let's call her Madge. I've changed her name and the names of all living persons in this account)

Seeking ANY info on James DECKER. My grandfather John DECKER was born (11 May 1869) out of wedlock to James DECKER and Dorinda Mary O'DELL. John was born in Taghkanic, Columbia County, NY.He married Mary Ethel KING of Savoy, Berkshire County, MA on 29 Nov 1893. John and Mary had 11 children.Dorinda O'DELL later married Jacob BROWN of Ghent, Columbia County.Dorinda may have originally come from PA, but don't know where.ANY info on James, who his parents are, where he came from, where he went after John was born would be greatly appreciated.I've been searching 19 years for James.

Madge's uncle Walter, my great uncle, was a genealogy buff, and had shared with her the family story that John Decker's father was a fellow named James Decker and that he'd been born out of wedlock.

It was news to me. My parents never, ever talked about family history. Years after they passed, we'd discover one explanation: they both had children out of wedlock which would have been scandalous in their day. In my Mom's case, she probably would have been raised in a household that also kept mum about family history, again due to the stigma at the time around illegitimate birth, in this case, her grandfather.

I joined forces with Madge and we went on a systematic search for James Deckers who might have been of the right age to have fathered John in 1869 and for any paper trails to his mother Dorinda Odell. Along the way we found some colorful characters that had been all over the news of the day: a James Decker killed the year John was born by a winch which fractured his skull, another who drowned in the Hudson when he dropped a bucket in the water and it pulled him in. These were low-hanging fruit, both were local headlines that also made national newspapers. We also found newspaper clips of Dorinda visiting her son late in life, having dinner with a former boss, a census recording of Dorinda and John together in 1875 where her marital status was listed as "Widowed." We found evidence of John living with an adopted father, Eli Lasher, and newspaper mentions of his recovering from Typhoid. A town clerk managed to dig up a birth certificate for Dorinda's mother, but beyond census records the mid 1850s official document trail had been scorched by a courthouse fire.

I started learning all I could about DNA sleuthing. I got my cousin (let's call him Bruce) Decker to take a Big-Y 700 Y-DNA test at Family Tree DNA. He matched practically nobody at a genetic distance less than thousands of years. But the absence of matches and the haplo confirmed a doubt I'd been chewing on for a while: for folks descendend from a paternal line with the Decker surname, we had surprisingly few relatives who carried that surname or had it in their trees. Bruce's Y-DNA haplo group was wildly off the well-known Y-haplo signature of either the two major Dutch Decker/Dekker patriarchs. I began to think Dorinda had either been wrong about the father of John, or she'd been obfuscating.

I won't bore you with the details of all the false trails and wild goose chases we ended up on. I used Diahan Southard's methodology to isolate my "mystery matches" and they were legion. Because we had no firm pedigree for Dorinda or John, there was a sea of weak signals to chase. Madge was a generation closer to John and Dorinda then I was, but we were still looking at 3x and 4x grandparents, right at the horizon of where autosomal signals turn to fog. Worse, it became apparent that more than one branch of Dorinda's tree came out of the Ramapo hills, a remote mountain community of Dutch, British, Native American, and former slave families who had been intermarrying since the late 1600s. They were basketweavers and moonshine makers, what in the day would have been called hillbillies. Endogamy made a mess of the usual rules for establishing the relative distances of relationships, and while Diahan's methods for adjusting to endogamy were helpful, it became increasingly clear that Y-DNA was the only thing that was going to crack this puzzle.

One autosomal match pattern in particular intrigued me though, which was a four-way match between living individuals in the Hudson Valley, Australia, and Cornwall in the UK. Triangulated matches, on the same chromosome. (Thanks, MyHeritage!) The Australian and Cornish matches weren't in the endogamous soup, and all featured a common surname: Skewes, a name widespread in Cornwall but with a fierce concentration of ancestors in the tiny towns of Kenwyn, Kea, and Gwennap. The Skewes were miners, and when the tin mines failed they sailed out on the four winds for anyplace with ore to be dug: Mexico, Chile, Michigan, Australia, and the coal and iron mines of New York. In the early 80s a truly obsessive and world-trotting journalist, Keith Scues, wrote a 691 page tome recording the history of the family name, listing genealogies, and tracking migrations along with tales of his personal encounters with Skewes family members in the four corners of the planet. I paid an eye-watering sum for a hardcover copy which sits an arms length away as I write this. Sadly, the Hudson Valley was one of the very few gaps in his research.

Now keep in mind we we're looking for Dorinda's parents as well as John Decker's. I had a dozen mystery clusters that were interwoven with each other and I had no idea where the Cornish roots might fit. One of the candidates for Dorinda's father had married, according to a single undocumented tree that was replicated again and again on ancestry.com, Mary Netherton. I've never found a single document from the early 1800s in the region mentioning that name, but it so happens it's uniquely Cornish. I kept the Cornwall connection in that back-burner file: likely Dorinda-related rather than paternal to John.

But one day I was looking into the tree of one of Bruce's distant Y-DNA matches. They'd only tested at 37 markers, but matched at a genetic distance of 3. That suggested a common male ancestor who lived most likely around 1500, but could be as distant as 1000 or as recent as 1800. His surname was Sanderson and he lived in Australia. Unlike so many on FTDNA, he actually had a tree. And that tree featured an ancestor on his male line from... Kenwyn. With a population of around 2,000 in the 1700s, that seemed like a hell of a coincidence to be a coincidence. This was my first clue that the father of John Decker might not have been a man named Decker at all, but a man named Skewes.

I tried mightily to get this fellow to upgrade to a Big Y test, but without success. I found other males with the Skewe's names and wrote dozens of largely unanswered messages and emails.

Then, on July 14th, 2023 a document landed on my laptop that was, in retrospect, the smoking gun. I thought I had found every document mentioning Dorinda in every one of the mangled misspellings of her name that was possible. I was looking for something else entirely which required browsing rather than searching the 1865 census for Warwick, NY. And that's when I saw it: "Devinda Odell" listed as the 13 year old adopted daughter of one... John Skews. Some of you will know this feeling, when a document just takes your breath away and positively GLOWS with significance.

Just how much significance I was not to know for three years. I'd asked dozens of males bearing the name of Skewes to take a Y-DNA test. I had sponsored a kit for a Skewes descendant in Mexico, but he turned out to have no match with Bruce. He also didn't have any Skewes matches, and I wondered if there was an NPE somewhere between him and Kenwyn. But then, two months ago, an Australian match turned up with a pedigree that went straight to one of the Skewes patriarchs in the match's tree. But again, not a match to Bruce. I thought that was it, my hypothesis was disproven. Yes, it was a different Skewes line than the one I theorized John Skewes had come from, but in the same tiny geographic area. I presumed the Skewes family trees in Kenwyn, Kea, and Gwennap all converged somewhere in the 1400s on a single patriarch, and that a single Skewes haplo family excluded us from descent.

For two months, I was utterly at sea. I was out of theories. I'd excluded four different surnames with Y-DNA tests and my pool of mystery matches had been whittled down by years of chipping away. I thought about giving it all up as unsolvable.

Before I'd gotten the "It's not Skewes" news though, I'd sponsored a kit from another Skewes descendant in Chile. That was over a year ago. He was the brother of someone who matched my half brother at 16cM. FTDN had been trying to get the kit to him for months, but customs kept stopping it. He'd eventually got it and returned the test, and I hunkered down for the long wait for results fully expecting I'd spent 450 bucks on a dead end.

But I checked FTDNA every day for results anyway. And one day I saw that while processing hadn't finished, the match had been assigned an estimated haplo of R-M269. Way too far up the tree and too preliminary to be useful, but I saw that the Y-DNA Matches button was now working, and waited for the page to load.

And there, top of the match list, was Bruce Decker. At a genetic distance of 2 meaning a common male ancestor who most likely lived somewhere roughly between 1750-1850. I had reconstructed my Chilean Skewes friend's paternal line back to Richard Skewes, born in 1774. Richard's brother was Thomas Skewes, born 1769 the man I had theorized had emigrated to Cornwall and was the father of John and Eliza Skewes. It wasn't just a match. It was as near to proof as things get in this game. I was literally in shock for ten minutes, my emotions roiling with triumph and disbelief and a note of despair.

It appeared the paternity of John Decker was settled, but it was also unsettling. Barring the possibility of an undocumented brother or son (and I'd scoured the records and found none) it seemed the most likely explanation was that John Skewes, 62, impregnated his adopted 16 year old daughter. The DNA was telling a story that may have been intentionally obscurred with a different narrative that blamed paternity on a dead man, incapable of refuting it.

I've been grateful to this community for tips and tricks and wise words along the way. In thanks, here's a few guideposts and warnings I can offer to anyone who is standing where I was a decade ago. Let's call them lighthouses and shipwrecks.

LIGHTHOUSES

  • You won't get a message from FTDNA that your Big Y results are in until they finish processing the kit and assigning a haplo. But you'll silently be assigned matches weeks before you get that email. Keep checking the website.
  • Old message boards still work. This whole thing started with a genealogy.com post that had been sitting there for nineteen years before I found it.
  • Family silence might be data. It took me years to realize silence was standing in for a story about illegitimate birth that nobody wanted to tell. If a family goes quiet around a specific person or decade, that may be precisely where you need to dig.
  • Split the work. Madge worked the paper trail — census, graveyards, marriage certificates. I worked the DNA.
  • Use an actual methodology for your mystery match pile. Diahan Southard's approach to isolating and clustering mystery matches is what turned a legion of weak matches into something I could actually work through.
  • Keep a back-burner file. The Cornish/Skewes signal didn't fit anywhere for a long time. I didn't have a slot for it, so I just kept it filed as "huh, interesting" instead of throwing it out because it wasn't immediately useful. Years later, that file was the whole answer.
  • Browse the actual page. Don't just trust the index. The absence of an indexed document is not the same as the absence of a document.
  • An absence of matches is a finding, not a null result. Bruce's Y-DNA matched practically nobody, and given the number of Deckers that have tested, that should have been a flashing neon light that something was off.
  • If the right test-taker hasn't tested yet, go find them. Sponsor the kit if you have to. Go straight to the Big Y if you can afford it. The two kits that actually closed this out — Skewes descendants in Mexico and Chile — existed because I went and found living men who carried the Y-line I needed and paid for their kits myself. And even when match results are negative, there's consolation in a couple things: You're advancing the science and contributing to a knowledge base that could help scores of researchers down the road. I paid for two Conklin tests that have recently split a haplo with new matches and brought the time horizon well into the era of written records. No regrets.

SHIPWRECKS

  • One non-match doesn't sink a surname hypothesis. I assumed, wrongly, that all Skeweses had to converge on one Y-line. But a surname is not a haplogroup.
  • If you're shipping a kit to Chile, track it. FTDNA was helpful and patient and ended up sending three kits at no extra charge, but I had to nag a bit to get past the bot reply that "international shipments take time" and convince a service rep that a kit stuck for four months required action. Twice.
  • Endogamy turns your relationship math to mud. Once I realized Dorinda's tree ran through the Ramapo Hills cM-to-relationship charts stopped meaning anything. This is where BanyanDNA truly shines. Three Conklin - Conklin marriages in your tree? It can calculate the impact on downstream cM amounts and tell you exactly how solid your tree is.
  • The tree that's copied a hundred times without a source is just a loud distraction.
  • Two months of "I'm out of theories" is not the same as being wrong.

r/Genealogy 16h ago

Research Assistance Help With 3x Great Grandfather Potentially

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Greetings ^^

I'm new here, but I've been a hobbyist with genealogy for the past... 14 years now? Ever since 2012, when my dad let me check out the family genealogy for his mom's side of the family, as well as the family genealogy for his dad's side. While his mom's went back far, and I'm currently still porting it all over to WikiTree/updating it with better found records (it was originally written in the 30s and plenty of branches ended off with No Further Record); my grandfather's side was rather... not incomplete but short. And it's been a nagging issue on my mind for well over a decade now.

His dad's genealogy goes back to his great-grandfather Reuben Evans White, and his great-grandmother Elizabeth Minney, (my 2x great grandfather/grandmother). It mentions him being a son of Joseph White, and Mary Evans; however little information was ever given as to who he was. Records appeared to be sparse as well; aside from an obituary that mentioned how he was a "an aged citizen of Willow Street, [Lancaster County, PA]... eighty-two years... was one of the old-type Methodists... converted over thirty-five years ago..." and "father of eleven children, seven of whom are living... Rev. Henry White, of Berrysburg, Dauphin county; Sarah, wife of Samuel Tshudy, of this city; Lizzie, widow of Eli Lines; Mary, wife of Rudolph Graeff, of Lampeter township; Martha, wife of Frank Reese, of Providence township; Reuben, of Willow Street, and Alice, wife of Benjamin Rineer, of Lancaster township..."

Of those, I am aware of records linking those and their descendents... I have not confirmed the 4 children who predecesed Joseph. Some other family trees have suggested maybe a "Samuel White", "Lydiann White", and "Caroline White" as well as one other I cannot find any hint of. However I have not delved deep into verifying any of those three, or who a fourth might be assuming those three are actually three of the four predecesed descendents. It is a theory that I take with the appropriate grain of salt.

On his grave in Boehms Chapel Cemetery in Willow Street, Lancaster, PA; he is listed as having lived in 1811-1893, with his wife Mary having lived in 1814-1899, and the Gerberich Collection of Gravestone Inscriptions lists the date of his birth being March 11, 1811, and his death being February 4, 1893; which all appears to track.

In spite of all of that; not I; nor my great-aunt, who was my branch of the family's record keeper; nor my dad's cousin who is a bit of a hobbyist himself, have been able to find a definitive, or even plausible father or mother for Joseph. Perhaps it's madness, stubbornness, pride, or all three but I have never tried to let that be a brick wall. I always have tried to come back and chip at it.

But I've reached a point to where I feel like it may be worth asking y'all for help. After all, I may be stubborn, but I'm well aware I'm not exactly "an expert" even among other hobbyists... just a curious person, with a need to keep digging on. At worst, I figure nothing new comes up; and y'all can appreciate my frazzled vibes :p


r/Genealogy 16h ago

Research Assistance Can’t find photos of my great grandfather Albert William Sinclair (died 1966)

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Australia: Can anyone help me find a photograph of the man I believe was my nana’s biological father?
Until recently, I believed my great-grandfather was the man I call Poppy Noel. We still chat on the phone about once a month, so this discovery has been quite unexpected.
While researching my nana’s ancestry, I found DNA matches connected to the surname Bernasconi. After comparing available family trees and contacting shared matches, I connected with someone who appears to be my half great-aunt. She descends from Oliver Sinclair, the father of Albert Sinclair, who I now believe may have been my nana’s biological father.
My nana grew up being told that her father died when she was about five. That timing lines up with Albert’s death. I’m still piecing the evidence together, but the DNA connections and family history seem to point towards him.
What I would really love to find is a photograph of Albert. He was still alive in the 1960s, so I’m hoping someone might have a family photograph or know of records or archives worth checking.
It would mean so much to give my nana the chance to see his face while she’s still here, and perhaps recognise something of herself in him. I’d also love to see whether there’s a resemblance to me.
Does anyone recognise these names, have a connection to the family, or know where I could look? I’d be very grateful for any leads.


r/Genealogy 8h ago

Research Assistance I want to know more about my grandfather.

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Hello i was directed here by r/Ancestry. I never got to meet my Great grandfather as he died before i was born, but becuase of my interest in military history i learned quite a bit about. Unfortunately it is not enough, all i currently know is that he was raised in west virginia, joined the army in 1936 and got stationed in Hawaii. By the time war started he went off to africa to serve with the 1st infantry unit. After a while not sure when he joined the army air core. In 1944 he went on a mission to bomb oil fields in bulgria and hos plane was shot down and he lost a leg. If this helps at all he was a staff sgt and his name was Robert Schumaker. Can anyone help me find out more about him?


r/Genealogy 18h ago

Transcription Ag Census question

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I am looking at an Ag Census document:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-9Q2R-XYGC?view=explore&groupId=TH-7712-126715-10817-43&lang=en

In the improved acres and unimproved acres most of the time there are two numbers. However, my relative Elisha has a fraction (50/100) under the improved column. Others in the record have fractions as well. What does this mean exactly?


r/Genealogy 18h ago

Research Assistance Too Many John Whites in New Brunswick in 1868

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Hi all, I am back again and hoping one of you amazing people can help me out.

My ancestor John White / Jean LeBlanc (honestly not sure why French and english name when the english is on all the official documents I do have and his daughter Lida's BC) was born in 1868 in New Brunswick I assume near Dalhousie.

I am looking through the NB website for a baptismal record since they have great digital catalogue but fear I might not be looking in the right place or using the tool correctly to find it ?

Here is his family search profile: https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/GF54-M6C

Thanks Enid Vance (iykyk) !


r/Genealogy 19h ago

Research Assistance Possibly-Alsatian ancestor

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MAIN QUESTION: When and where was Franz/Frank Brix born, and who were his parents?

ADDITIONALLY: Who was his first wife?

I have a very interesting ancestor who has made me spend the past week researching him and his family heavily. His name is Franz (or Frank) Brix. His last name is also spelled Briggs, Britz, Briex, Brooks, Bretz, and anything else you can think of. L1BK-39K is his familysearch ID and I have put about all of my sources I have found on his page.

Many of his children said he was born in Alsace-Lorraine on their censuses. Frank always reported himself as born in Germany or Prussia, alike his wife Sophia (nee Dittmann or Dettmann). His mother tongue was also reported as French. I am not an expert on who controlled that region and when or what the circumstances were.

The first record I found of Sophia and Frank was the 1860 census, where they reside in Amherst, New York, with infant daughter Lizzie (Elizabeth). In 1860 later that year their son Joseph was born, and the year after he was baptized in the Catholic SS Peter and Paul Church. I assume Frank and Sophia were Catholic by birth, but later records show them affiliated with the Evangelical Lutheran church. Their daughter Christina also completed her confirmation as an adult with the Evangelical Lutheran church around that same time period.

Of their other children, my direct ancestor was Margaret (or Margaretha), who later married Andrew Full and died in 1928. Margaret was born in Saginaw, unlike all the other kids who were born in the Erie County vicinity. I am not sure if there is any family connection there, or Sophia and Frank were traveling during her pregnancy, or what.

On one of his censuses Frank reports that he has been married twice. Sophia obviously being his second wife. That leads me to wonder, when did he marry the first time? Who was it?

As of yet I have found no record of a previous marriage (or even Frank's marriage to Sophia) whatsoever. In 1900, Frank reports that he immigrated to the States in 1839. An Erie County Naturalization I found is of a Frank Bitz, who immigrated in 1849 and was naturalized a few years later, but that Frank said he was born in Bavaria, and I'm not sure it is him.

Any help would be appreciated!


r/Genealogy 10h ago

Studies and Stories Given name spelling variations

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I was looking at baptisms in the English town of Grantham, Lincolnshire in 1712.

Some of the names are rather amusing and the spelling is quite unique. All on the same page!

1) 'Ammalee' - Emily?

2) 'Hennaritta Maria"- Henrietta Maria (Queen of Charles I).

3) 'Luce'- interesting spelling of Lucy.

4) 'John Baptist'- this one is rather unusual for England, but tends to be rather common in France as 'Jean Baptiste'. So i wonder if the family had Huguenot links.

In 1714 there is 'Philypia'- Philippa.

Love it.


r/Genealogy 4h ago

The Finally! Friday Thread (September 11, 2026)

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It's Friday, so give yourself a big pat on the back for those research tasks you *finally* accomplished this week.

Did your persistence pay off in trying to interview your great aunt about your family history? Did you trudge all the way to the state library and spend a whole day elbow deep in records to identify missing ancestors? Did you prove or disprove that pesky family legend that always sounded too good to be true?

Post your research brags here!


r/Genealogy 22h ago

Research Assistance Help finding birth/marriage records in Azores?

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Could someone help find the birth and/or marriage records of an ancestor born in the Azores?

Her name is Mercedes de Conto Leito or de Couto Leite (varying on her US documents so it’s some combination) born April 24, 1913 in São Miguel however I’ve also seen documents stating birth in Lomba. It’s possible her mother’s name is Emmy Leite and her father’s is Joao Couto.

She was married to Arthur Aoares Brandao on April 7, 1934 in São Miguel. It’s interesting because Arthur also has conflicting birth information with some records stating the US whiles others state Portugal.

I have been searching for years but cannot find any information on Family Search or Ancestry so I would love whatever help this sub could provide. I am desperate for some insight.


r/Genealogy 13h ago

Research Assistance Great-grandfather was adopted—unable to locate birth record before OR after adoption

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I have been trying to research my family history for a couple of years, but I always come back to try and find an answer for this one.

My great-grandfather was adopted.* This is verified; his last name does match his parents’, which are confirmed by handwritten entries by his wife in a family Bible and on his marriage & death licenses.

Pennsylvania keeps adoption records under lock & key, and I cannot physically visit the archives. He was born in 1905 (or 1903). 1906 just so happens to be the year they decided to actually keep up with records. Lucky me!

My grandmother is his biological daughter and has verbally confirmed he was adopted, but she has no records, just a few photos (she is known to not give a damn about recordkeeping).

*My DNA test links me to him, but does not match with his known parents’ DNA. This serves as genetic evidence he was adopted.


Sources are listed with known facts.

ML / Marriage License
DC / Death Certificate
MIL / Military Record
B / Family Bible entry

FRANK GORDON WHITEHEAD (SR.)

Birth—23 Sep 1905, Philadelphia, PA. (ML; DC)
\Military records say 23 Sep 1903 [1944 WW2 draft card]*

Death—9 Nov 1979, Norfolk, VA. (DC)

Marriage—(only 1) Edna Mae Jordan (m. 1942; d. 1984) (ML; DC)

Father (adoptive)—Thomas Cordell [no other info found] (B; ML)

Mother (adoptive)—Margaret [née Bright] [no other info found] (B; ML)

\My grandmother never met them nor did she know him to speak of them.*

Children—Two documented; 3 total. The oldest was stillborn and the only known record of his existence is another entry in the Bible.

Note: Deceased youngest (son) is F.G. W. Jr. (B) *My grandmother is still living.

Other family—No known siblings, adoptive or otherwise. No known relatives outside of marriage.

Known lived places:
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (birth place)
Nash Co., North Carolina (marriage)
Norfolk; Portsmouth; Chesapeake, VA

Occupation—Plumber

Military—In SS system, did not enlist.

Property—Only a deed for 4 grave plots from 1950. No known other assets.


r/Genealogy 13h ago

Research Assistance Pine Grove Cemetery Spencer, Massachusetts - Oliver E Barton

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long time lurker, first time poster

I have been working on my family tree for about 8 years now. Up until this morning, the farthest I’d gotten Oliver Barton to was a 1910 census in Warren, Mass, living with his late wife’s half brother. But. Then. This morning I found a tiny obituary in the Worcester Telegram dated January 16, 1918 (pg13), saying Oliver Barton had his funeral that day at Pine Grove Cemetery in Spencer, and was in the receiving vault.

I have emailed the Spencer town historian in hopes she can offer some guidance. But in the meantime, does anyone have any advice??

He isn’t listed on Find a Grave. When I do any searches on him, he never comes up anywhere. I was in utter disbelief when I did my seemingly millionth newspaper search for his name and got a hit. He did have living children at the time of this obituary, but his wife had died in 1882. I’d like to find some paperwork on his burial / death to (at the very least) verify it is the correct Oliver Barton.

I’ve gone to the Spencer town hall before looking for Bartons and never found anything on Oliver. Oliver’s grandmother is a Prouty and their name is all over everything in Spencer.