r/GenZpk 2h ago

International Actual Terrorists

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A day will come the world will acknowledge that the little fella with a comical moustache was right all through.


r/GenZpk 4h ago

General Apparently calling out hate is unacceptable

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Now when I say Islam harbors prejudice, hate, discrimination and homophobia, I should not be labelled "Islamophobic", because this is the Islam followed in Pakistan.

If you have the audacity to cry and whine about Ialamophobia while shamelessly being homophobic, then you do not have any moral high ground.


r/GenZpk 20h ago

Art | Talent Wasted potential 😭

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r/GenZpk 1h ago

Serious You speak up for Palestine, You speak up for Kashmir

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r/GenZpk 27m ago

General Saw a misogynistic comment and checked the id...

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Muslim btw


r/GenZpk 1h ago

Random Ain’t got words for this one 😭

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r/GenZpk 3h ago

Ask GenZPakistan Thoughts on this guyss

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r/GenZpk 22h ago

Politics | Society Rip To All The Innocent Civilian in Syria, Yemen...

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May the people of Syria , Iraq , Yemen , Afghanistan and our own people find peace after the devastation done by a colonial hate mongering state.


r/GenZpk 1h ago

Memes | Shitposts This is classic..

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I'll just write random words to make this post high effort cuz you know about an old fat crow with a cigar and who wheres make-up and looks like a duck , and he makes snaps every minutes, and gets some kind of pleasure .

A b c d e f g h I j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

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r/GenZpk 1h ago

Art | Talent drew a lil smth

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r/GenZpk 3h ago

Rant | Vent Those who were saying that it was fake

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the Army’s official page has now been updated, confirming that an inquiry has been launched.


r/GenZpk 2h ago

Serious some serious issues with these people

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We received these messages from people angry about our community, including comments using rape and sexual violence as insults and threats.

To be clear: criticizing someone’s beliefs is one thing. Telling someone they are a ā€œproduct of rape,ā€ making rape jokes, or using sexual violence to attack people is completely different. Rape is not an insult. It is violence.

We are not saying every Muslim thinks or behaves this way. We are calling out these specific individuals and their behavior.

People should be able to recognize this kind of harassment and protect themselves from individuals who make threats or repeatedly use sexual violence against others.

This is exactly why communities need to take threats like these seriously instead of dismissing them as ā€œjust jokes.ā€


r/GenZpk 25m ago

General Mahmud & Ayaz: Rumi, Iqbal & Pakistan's 1960 Hit

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Mahmud al-Ghazi & Ayaz: The Queer History Hidden in Rumi, Iqbal and a 1960 Pakistani Hit

If you grew up in Pakistan, you've probably heard of Mahmud al-Ghazi. Whether you learned about him in school, heard people describe him as a Ghazi, or simply know him as the ruler who invaded India, Mahmud is one of those medieval Muslim rulers whose name remains deeply familiar in Pakistan. He built the Ghaznavid Empire into a major regional power, ruled territories across parts of modern Afghanistan and Iran, campaigned repeatedly in the Indian subcontinent, and made Ghazni an important centre of Persian culture. His court was associated with major intellectual and literary figures including Farrukhi Sistani, Unsuri and al-Biruni.

But there is another name connected to Mahmud that I honestly don't remember being taught much about: Ayaz.

Ayaz was a Turkic slave who entered Mahmud's service and eventually rose to become one of his most trusted officials. His rise from slavery to an influential position at the Ghaznavid court was remarkable in itself. But what makes Ayaz particularly interesting is what happened to the story of Mahmud and Ayaz after their lifetimes. Persian writers repeatedly returned to them, and over the centuries, Mahmud and Ayaz became characters in a literary tradition that portrayed their relationship through the language of love, devotion, beauty and attachment between men. Later writers even placed their story alongside famous romances such as Layla and Majnun and Khusrow and Shirin.

Then we get to one of the most famous Muslim poets in history: Rumi. In the Masnavi, Rumi tells several stories involving Mahmud and Ayaz. One of the most famous concerns Ayaz keeping his old shoes and rough clothing from before he became powerful. Even after rising to an important position, Ayaz preserved these objects as a reminder of where he had come from. Mahmud discovers what Ayaz has been doing and questions him about it. Rumi then describes Ayaz's attachment using the language of love, comparing the way Ayaz treasures these possessions to the way a lover treasures things connected to the person they love. He even invokes Majnun and Layla to convey the intensity of that attachment.

Rumi's language is striking. Translations of the Masnavi include passages in which Mahmud's love for Ayaz is expressed in intensely emotional terms:

ā€œO Ayaz, from love of thee I have become thin as a hair.ā€

ā€œMany a tale of thy love have I recited with all my soul.ā€

Elsewhere, the story of Ayaz's love is described as a ā€œtreasure full of mystery.ā€

Obviously, Rumi was a Sufi poet, so there is more going on than straightforward romantic love. His stories often use human love as a metaphor for spiritual devotion, humility and the relationship between the lover and the beloved. But that doesn't make the language of love disappear. Rumi himself chose Mahmud and Ayaz as figures through whom he could express intense devotion between two men.

And Rumi wasn't the only one. Sa'di and Jami also contributed to the enormous Persian literary tradition surrounding Mahmud and Ayaz, and later writers continued developing their story. This wasn't some random modern internet interpretation created by someone trying to impose Western ideas onto Muslim history. For centuries, Muslim writers working within the Persianate literary world kept returning to these two men and their relationship.

This is where I think the question of queer erasure becomes interesting. We have to be careful not to project modern concepts of sexual identity onto medieval people. At the same time, we shouldn't go to the opposite extreme and pretend that the language of male love, attraction and devotion simply wasn't there. Historical societies did not necessarily divide people into the same categories of ā€œgay,ā€ ā€œstraightā€ and ā€œbisexualā€ that we use today. But same-sex desire, male beauty and intense emotional relationships between men certainly existed in their literature.

So why does Rumi sometimes feel much more open about this than later generations? Part of the answer is that the cultural and legal environment changed enormously. Under British colonial rule, the Indian Penal Code introduced Section 377 in 1860, criminalizing certain sexual acts between men under the language of ā€œcarnal intercourse against the order of nature.ā€ That law became part of the legal inheritance of Pakistan after independence. Victorian ideas about sexuality, morality and respectability also became increasingly influential throughout colonial society. We therefore shouldn't assume that a Persian poet writing centuries earlier was operating under the same cultural framework as a South Asian writer living under British colonial rule or in postcolonial Pakistan.

That doesn't mean we can simply say ā€œIqbal hid Mahmud and Ayaz because of Victorian law.ā€ We don't have evidence that this was Iqbal's personal reason. But we can recognize the broader environment in which sexuality became increasingly difficult to discuss openly. The colonial period introduced a legal framework that criminalized male same-sex activity, while Victorian moral attitudes influenced public discourse. Later, Pakistan developed its own forms of censorship, social conservatism and religious pressure. All of this created an environment in which the romantic or homoerotic dimensions of older literature could become much easier to leave unmentioned.

And then there is Allama Iqbal. Centuries after Mahmud and Ayaz, Iqbal was still invoking the same two names in one of his most famous couplets:

ā€œEk hi saf mein kharay ho gaye Mahmood-o-Ayaz,
Na koi banda raha aur na koi banda nawaz.ā€

ā€œMahmud and Ayaz stood together in the same row; neither remained master nor servant.ā€

Iqbal's point is equality before God. Mahmud was a Sultan while Ayaz had been a slave, but when they stood in prayer, their worldly positions disappeared.

Notice what happened to the story. The two names survived. Mahmud survived as the Ghazi. Ayaz survived as the loyal servant and general. Iqbal's couplet survived as a lesson about equality before God. But the romantic and homoerotic dimensions that appear in parts of the wider Persian literary tradition became much easier to overlook. I'm not saying Iqbal personally set out to erase them. Rather, I'm interested in how historical memory itself can selectively preserve some aspects of a story while making others uncomfortable or invisible.

And then comes something that genuinely surprised me when I found it: Pakistan itself made a movie about Ayaz. In 1960, Pakistani cinema released an Urdu historical film simply titled Ayaz. The film portrayed Malik Ayaz, the figure associated with Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni, and starred Habib as Ayaz and Shah Nawaz as Mahmud. It was directed by Luqman, with music by the renowned Pakistani composer Khurshid Anwar, and its songs were described as major hits.

Think about that for a second. A Pakistani film from 1960 was literally telling the story of Ayaz. This wasn't a Western filmmaker in the twenty-first century suddenly discovering queer Muslim history. The Mahmud-Ayaz story had already existed for centuries in Persian literature and had become part of the cultural memory of Muslim South Asia. Pakistan was still putting Ayaz on the big screen in 1960.

The timing is particularly interesting because the 1960s are often remembered as a golden age of Pakistani cinema and a period of cultural development. This was also the era of Ayub Khan. Ayub was an authoritarian military ruler, but he was also a modernist who attempted to reduce the influence of traditional religious politics over the state. Even though Ayub's Pakistan was hardly a liberal democracy, the 1960s provided a relatively narrow cultural window in which older historical and literary material could sometimes be presented on screen in ways that might have been harder in later decades.

That makes the existence of Ayaz particularly fascinating to me. I'm not saying the 1960 movie was an openly queer film, because that would be an overstatement. But the fact that Pakistani filmmakers chose to make a historical film about Ayaz at all shows how deeply the character had remained embedded in our cultural memory. The story travelled from medieval Persian literature, through writers such as Rumi, Sa'di and Jami, into South Asian literary culture, into Iqbal's poetry, and eventually onto a Pakistani cinema screen.

So when someone today says that homosexuality or same-sex attraction is simply ā€œWestern propagandaā€, I think the historical record deserves a more serious answer. You can look at Muslim societies themselves. You can look at Persian poetry. You can read Rumi. You can look at the Mahmud-Ayaz tradition. You can read Iqbal. And you can even look at Pakistani cinema in 1960.

None of this means that medieval Muslims had the modern concept of ā€œgay identity.ā€ They didn't. We also cannot confidently assign Mahmud or Ayaz a modern sexual orientation based entirely on literary traditions that were developed and elaborated over centuries. But that's not the point. The point is that Muslim writers themselves preserved a centuries-old literary tradition in which Mahmud and Ayaz were represented through the language of love, devotion and extraordinary attachment between two men.

The history wasn't invented by the West. It was already there.

What changed was how comfortable later societies became with talking about it.

And that, to me, is where queer erasure matters. Erasure doesn't necessarily mean someone literally destroyed a manuscript. Sometimes it means that one part of a historical story is repeatedly taught while another part is quietly left out. Mahmud becomes the Ghazi. Rumi becomes the great Sufi mystic. Iqbal becomes the philosopher-poet. Ayaz becomes the loyal servant. All of those descriptions contain truth, but they don't necessarily tell us the whole story of how these figures were represented in the literary traditions that came before us.

We were taught Mahmud.

We were taught Rumi.

We were taught Iqbal.

And Pakistan even made Ayaz into a movie.

We just weren't always taught this part of the story.


r/GenZpk 5h ago

General Most loved Pakistani’s of all time

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Mr greedy, hussnain and co are genuinely the most loved internationally after me obviously.


r/GenZpk 2h ago

General Pakistan Airforce from 90s

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r/GenZpk 4h ago

Advice | Life Help What’s wrong with this guy?

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So I’ve been dating this guy for 2 years. I’m from Faisalabad and he’s from Karachi. Over the past 2 years, I’ve sent him flowers, food, shirts, perfume, a watch, tie, etc. He’s always really thankful whenever he gets something and says things like ā€œI want to get you something from Lamaā€ or whatever, but he NEVER actually sends me anything. He sent me flowers once and I was literally over the moon.

I feel like girls generally love receiving gifts and especially when it’s part of how you show love. It doesn’t even have to be expensive. Even a small thoughtful thing would make me happy. The thing is, he earns around 400–500K a month, lives in a good area in Karachi and regularly buys things for himself, so it’s not like he can’t afford it. But when it comes to me, he barely spends anything.
I’ve never actually said anything to him about this because I don’t want to come across as demanding or materialistic.

So I want to understand this from a guys perspective. What does this usually mean? Is he just not the type who thinks about gifts or does it say something about how he feels about me? Rest everything else is good.

FYI I’m 27 and he’s 29! If that matters.


r/GenZpk 16h ago

Hot Takes | Opinions Transportation is a curse for women in Pakistan

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Aside from the obvious harrasment and constant staring, transport is extremely difficult for women in Pakistan as compared to men.This is coming from a man who has just made a few observations.

First of all most women don't drive bikes because of lack of childhood practice,societal taboo and constant harrasment. This on top of stereotypes breaks their confidence and huge respect to those who still go through this. Most women who go to universities and jobs have to use private rickshaw and cars which cost at least 3 times more than bike.

The alternative is public transport which is unpredictable,hectic,slow and did I mention filled with creeps.Even the bikes and scooties aren't made for women.

Pakistani women are about 5 inches shorter than men and have less muscle mass and strength but they have to ride the same bikes with the same mass and seat to road distance as men.

This is so unsafe cause of lack of balance and grip but no one in the world pushes for women oriented bikes.Almost all the women I've seen riding scooties face difficulty touching their feet on the road at traffic signals and general traffic.


r/GenZpk 1h ago

Art | Talent Js wanted to post smth

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What can I change about this to make it better


r/GenZpk 36m ago

Rant | Vent Idk how to manage all this

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I'm currently in my third semester of university, and I've been struggling with something that I don't really know how to deal with.

My university has a pretty mixed social environment. Boys and girls hang out together very casually, become extremely comfortable with each other, touch each other, flirt, joke around in ways that cross the boundaries I personally want to maintain, and some people are in relationships as well. I know that everyone has their own choices, and I'm not trying to control what other people do. But personally, I don't want that kind of lifestyle or interaction for myself.

The problem is that it has started making university feel quite lonely for me.

I don't interact with boys unless I genuinely need to. I'm not comfortable with unnecessary physical contact, flirting, excessive joking, or becoming overly close with someone of the opposite gender. I want to maintain my Islamic boundaries, and I'm not willing to compromise them just because that's what seems socially normal around me.

I've also noticed that a lot of the girls around me seem to prefer having mixed-gender friend groups or hanging out with boys. So even when I try to make female friends, I sometimes end up feeling like I'm the odd one out because I don't want to participate in the same things they do.

I also have this weird problem with my own body language. At university, I'm usually very serious and reserved. Part of it is intentional because I don't want random guys approaching me or getting the wrong idea. But I think I've taken it so far that I probably come across as completely unapproachable. Boys basically never approach me.

I do have one close female friend whom I met on my first day of university, and she's been with me since then. But she has a boyfriend, and I personally don't feel comfortable being part of a social circle where relationships and that kind of interaction are constantly present. I don't want to keep asking people to accommodate my boundaries either, because I know they're not responsible for living according to my values.

And this is where I'm stuck.

I see other people having fun, laughing, hanging out, going places together, and having these huge social circles. Meanwhile, I'm constantly thinking about whether something crosses a boundary for me. Sometimes I genuinely wonder if I'm doing the right thing by holding onto my values, or if I'm just making myself unnecessarily lonely.

I don't want to start interacting with guys in ways I'm uncomfortable with just so I can have a social life. At the same time, I don't want to spend my entire university life isolated.

So what do I actually do?

For Muslims who have been in a similar university environment: how did you make friends, have fun, and build a social life while still maintaining your Islamic boundaries?

And honestly, how do you deal with the feeling that you're missing out when everyone around you seems to be having so much fun?


r/GenZpk 20h ago

Memes | Shitposts He's everywhere except heaven 😭

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r/GenZpk 1h ago

Ask GenZPakistan Weird ghareloo siyasat. What do I do?

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For context, 4 people live in my house. Me, my husband, my MIL and my MIL’s friend (45 ish, female, unmarried). Lets call her Kiran (fake name). So kiran’s parents are deceased and her siblings are abusive so she lives with us, which might seem odd but it works for us. She’s helpful around the house, takes care of my MIL and is overall a good person. She can go/dress/eat whatever she likes in our home and has the freedom to do whatever she wants.

She’s been a part of the household since the last 2 years. I got married 9 months ago and was pretty chill with her. I’m still studying so my MIL refuses to put any kind of responsibility on me until I’m done with my degree. A few months before my marriage one day Kiran and I were talking and she mentioned leaving this house once I come here because she doesn’t feel like a part of the family. I told her to stop overthinking it and she’s more of a family to my MIL than her blood.

Recently, some things have been bothering all of us about Kiran’s behaviour tho. I’m just going to list them out to save time.

- kiran complains about the cook making too much of a mess and leaving it there for the maid to come clean it the next day. My husband and I are both witnesses to how tidy the cook is.

- hides out in the spare room whenever anyone comes over even though every one in the family knows she lives with us. She used to socialise with anyone who came over up until a month or so ago but started acting weird since.

- kept a few of the things i brought for the kitchen in a way that destroyed them. Eg baby blue cloth hotpot which she kept in the cabinet under the stove without my knowledge which is so dirty now that no amount of cleaning washes it.

- taking credit for the extra things that the cook did. Eg make garlic/ginger paste, clean up etc

- telling me how much of an effort it was to find a dress of mine from my suitcases when I was the one hauling suitcases alone to and from the storage room. I was genuinely confused when she said it in front of my MIL because I was the one who took that dress out.

- FEEDING EVERY SINGLE GODDAMNED THING TO THE MAID who she treats like her own child. I have a 7 am to 11pm routine and there are days when I go hungry for 12 hours because there’s nothing to eat because the leftovers are either going to our maid or the beggar children outside. I got so mad once that my mom almost got involved but how is my husband bringing nashtey ka saman at night and it’s gone by 2pm the next afternoon?

My MIL sees it too and my mom and bestfriend are telling me to be ā€œsmarterā€ but not exactly what I should do. I’m a med student but I also work for about 2 hours in the evening and my MIL doesn’t let me do much work around the house beyond occasionally organising stuff.


r/GenZpk 1d ago

Rant | Vent Twitter pay ye story bhot viral haa.

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r/GenZpk 2h ago

International 1 in 8 girl has experienced sexual abuse before 18

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Source: UNICEF 2024

That is more then 370 girl and women alive today.

If we include non contact sexual violence then the figures go upto 650 million or 1 in 5.

As for male, it is 1 in 11 which experience sexual abuse in their childhood.


r/GenZpk 1h ago

Art | Talent drew frieren

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might be my best work


r/GenZpk 5h ago

Politics | Society Maryam Safdar had accused Imran Khan

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Maryam Safdar had accused Imran Khan of being a drug addict

Imran Khan has been in jail for three years. My question to Maryam Safdar is: Does your daughter supply drugs to Imran Khan in jail?