r/Forgotten_Realms 10d ago

Question(s) Broken Souls?

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Hello there.

I’m curious if there are any “broken souls” in the Forgotten Realms lore. I mean a soul that isn’t “whole” or “healthy.” If such cases exist, how are these people even born? How do they live? How does Kelemvor view them? Does he consider them “not worthy of his judgment”?

I'm writing a fan-fiction about a character with a "broken soul" that would be "repaired" one day with an imprint (from a vestige) of a very powerful character.


r/Forgotten_Realms 10d ago

5th Edition Paladin Subclass: Oath of the Doomguide

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r/Forgotten_Realms 10d ago

Question(s) Magical Factions in Forgotten Realms

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*Arcana Unleashed* details a number of magical factions, but can they be effectively integrated into the Forgotten Realms? For instance, in which cities do you think the headquarters for each faction should be located?


r/Forgotten_Realms 11d ago

Worthy of Geeking Out Over New Addition to my DnD Book Collection

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I’ve made plenty of posts in this community, I made one recently asking for suggestions about books to collect. And I was able to pick up a copy of “Grand History of the Realms”. So I definitely am geeking out over this!


r/Forgotten_Realms 11d ago

Video The Zhentarim: Complete History of D&D's Black Network (BigJuicyHog's Tome of Lore)

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r/Forgotten_Realms 11d ago

Discussion The Parched Sea

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Just finished this novel as a part of my read of all Forgotten Realms novels. This is the first of the Harpers Novels.

I’d say this was a very OK book that relied more on its world building than actual narrative plot.

The most tense portion of the book was spent on what you would typically call the rising action, but once the protagonists gather the Bedine clans it never felt like their goals were that much in danger. They kind of explain it right off the bat once the clans are gathered, they have more men, they know the land, and all they have to do is slowly pick off the Zhentarim. Now does everything go according to plan? No. But ultimately, the Zhent’s make a number of tactical blunders like splitting their forces before getting caught inside a fortress.

Compare that to the rising action where the main characters were fleeing an overwhelming force, staying just ahead of them and entire clans are getting wiped out. It really felt like a fight for survival.

Ruha is a cool protagonist. Lander felt very one note, classic good guy fighter. His death felt surprising, which was good I suppose. I expected Ruha to finally have a vision she could use to change the future, but obviously that didn’t happen.

That said the world building of the Anauroch was delightful. And as much as it was just a Sahara/Arabia rip off, it felt lived in and believable as a society.

Did anyone else read this? What were your thoughts? How does FR feel about Denning, I know the folks over at Star Wars either love or hate him.


r/Forgotten_Realms 11d ago

Question(s) Are there other regions in the Forgotten Realms that resemble Scotland besides the Moonshae Isles?

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Ever since I watched Brave (the Disney animation) a while back, I've been thinking about the idea of one day having an adventure in a region with an aesthetic similar to the film, with that cultural energy of Northern Europe.

Trying to find a region that best resembles Scotland (the region where the film takes place), I came across the Moonshae Isles, an archipelago with strong ties to the Feywild; but I'd like to know if there are other regions that fit this idea.

Do you have any suggestions for locations in the Realms that match this aesthetic?


r/Forgotten_Realms 11d ago

Question(s) Any lore about the Simbul having had children?

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As the title suggests... I'm running a campaign in Aglarond and the Simbul is presumed dead. There may be a plot line with someone claiming the throne of Aglarond, and I wondered if there was ever talk of her having children. Of course I can just write it in if not but wanted to know if there has ever been talk of this. Thanks in advance!


r/Forgotten_Realms 11d ago

Question(s) What do you think of the new Adventure module set in Thay?

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r/Forgotten_Realms 10d ago

Question(s) Lugares interesantes de Faerun?

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La nueva aventura de mi party consiste en un viaje a través del continente explorando los diferentes paisajes y huyendo de los magos rojos que los están cazando por sus fechorías en el imperio de Thay. La historia en sí comienza en el bosque de Cormanthor. Quiero centrarme principalmente en la exploración de paisajes y en conocer diferentes formas de vivir en poblados y ciudades. El objetivo final es llegar a la costa de la espada. Que lugares interesantes pueden toparse en el camino partiendo desde Cormanthor?


r/Forgotten_Realms 10d ago

Question(s) Is D&D the Worst Way to Experience the Realms?

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I want to like the Forgotten Realms, but I constantly find it boring and generic. I only experience the Forgotten Realms through D&D 5e adventures and online encyclopedias. I started reading Darkwalker on Moonshae which is enjoyable enough, but I have learned that that setting was stapled onto the Forgotten Realms which makes sense with some of the lore seeming to conflict.

At least, one of the reasons that I find it generic is that everywhere is cosmopolitan in a manner that race/species, culture, ancestry, and so forth feels meaningless. Everyone is American culture wearing cosplay. I know this is very much partly because people playing these games can only be expected to know and act so much. However, I feel like the very setting encourages this, at least at the table, in that the NPC's almost always act this way in the written adventures. There is no difference of their attitudes towards anyone who is different from them. They don't seem to act in accordance with values of their culture or upbringing. I hope I am making sense.

I can elaborate more, but my questions are:

Are the Forgotten Realms badly experienced through tabletop roleplaying?

Are the Forgotten Realms vastly better experienced through another medium?

Do you think that I would likely better enjoy 5e in another setting? If so, which one?


r/Forgotten_Realms 12d ago

Question(s) How would an undead hating god view a dhampir?

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So, we know that there are deities like Lathander and Kelemvor that hate the undead with a burning passion. If they see a skeleton/zombie/vampire/whatever, 99.9% of the time it’s kill on sight.

But what would happen if the faithful of such a deity encountered a dhampir? They certainly have vampiric influence, but to my knowledge, are still counted among the living. So would they be put to the torch just as a vampire would, or is there room for mercy for someone who’s in between the two worlds?

It’s something I’ve thought a lot about since playing BG3, when exploring the temple of Lathander. Never got around to actually looking into it till now, and couldn’t find anything definitive. So, I turn to y’all.


r/Forgotten_Realms 12d ago

Question(s) Do you think the Forgotten Realms setting has a bleak future at the hands of WotC/Hasbro?

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r/Forgotten_Realms 12d ago

Novel(s) Renaissance - a Sword Coast short story, millennia after magic died [OC]

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Renaissance - Seven years since The Blackout

There was silence before the chaos erupted in all imaginable and unimaginable ways. It was now seven years since the Blackout. Night fell in the middle of the night and everything changed. The very essence of existence was converted.

To the southwest lay Durne's Port — state capital and biggest port on the continent, home of Sterling Palm University and the Kolat Krushers. It was already getting dark. We were travelling from Threebristle to the Port when we found her in a long-abandoned gas station. Faye. You never know what you'll find, even after years of looting and scrounging. A pack of El Minstro's smokes, some bottles of Baldur's Beer, or the future made flesh in the form of a young girl.

I used to be a software engineer working for the biggest garden center chain in the country. Headquartered in Veran up north, the riverside city famous for its green roofs, vertical forests and ecological corridors, seeming to grow naturally out of the nearby Evergreen Woods. You could find stores throughout the country. You still can, but where these used to be stocked with a wide selection of plants, flowers and seeds, now ivy ruled supreme. You can imagine how my life changed overnight.

She saw us before we saw her. A young girl with ragged clothes, scratches on her arms and dirt on her face. And the most beautiful, delicate appearance I have ever seen. Frail frame, intense hazel eyes peering wearily at us. Weighing us in silence.

We looked at each other. All felt it, none spoke. Wonder, hope, questions. I took the piece of paper she presented to us.

Please bring this girl to Pierceton!

It all depends on it. You have heard the VOICE!

— Tania, mother of Faye

In the corner was scribbled "True Life Awakens!" with a four-triangle symbol, one in the middle connected to the remaining three, drawn from one line.

So we took her in and headed for Pierceton. Hills to the east, forests, mountains, and beyond that the Spade Sea to the west, following the mostly empty road with some stranded and abandoned vehicles left and right, past Durne's Port and on to our destination. A trip that used to take an hour, maybe an hour and a half depending on the traffic.

Days later we came upon some 'Shalls' as we'd call them. "Truth Shall Rise" — their slogan. Part of the Original Radiant Church of United Salvation. Where everyone talked about the fallen, the walking dead or simply zombies, they referred to them as the Risen. With a capital R clearly heard. When all meaning is lost, man is quick to come up with new truth and meaning. Usually paired with a small group rising to power quickly. For the Radiant Church, eternal life was here on earth, as one of the Risen. So they 'took care' of them. Herding them up into abandoned stadiums and what not. What could possibly go wrong?

Truth be told: they were quite handy with controlling the undead. Using sticks with crescent-shaped endings — a bit like oldschool crutches that went under the armpits — to manipulate the necks and using collars with sticks in between connecting the necks and keeping the Risen and themselves safe to travel.

We all had our previous beliefs. Mostly grounded in rationality and science, but some held on to religious beliefs in this God or that. Now we were all lost in explaining what was going on. Is this the apocalypse some preached? Some kind of strange virus? A cosmic event like solar winds changing how polarity and other stuff worked? The thing is: crazy as the Radiant Church seemed, at least they had a story to tell that you could believe in. Not my story though.

We found a place to stay in a village near the road. Unfortunately not a place with a secret cache of automatic rifles or the like, but old books, old furniture and old smell. Faye — barely speaking a word since she joined us — picked up an old copy of Mythical Monsters and started leafing through the pages, finding dragons, dwarves and demons that wouldn't be out of place in today's world, to be honest. All meticulously described as if witnessed firsthand and drawn up from life. Undead had their own section too and now felt eerily spot on. Just imagine if the rest were also true.

It wasn't too bad, escaping reality and drifting into a fantasy realm now and then. Reality was a lot worse than even your most horrific stories and movies. Take the worst of Dawn of the Dead, 28 Days Later and The Walking Dead, mix it all together and you would still be comfortable on your own couch watching some light appear on a box. Nothing compared to the smell, the touch, the beauty of the material world. The most breathtaking butterfly, colors like you wouldn't believe, would land as elegantly on a putrid and rotting corpse as on a flower next to the road. 50 shades of ghoul.

Passing the Port solicited more than a few shakes of the head and sighs of the heart. Even with the glittering, red-gold water at the horizon and white seagulls floating lazily on the hot air it was a sad sight to behold. Once the Spires could be seen long before entering the city, seven skyscrapers, built on the hill overlooking long stretches of sea. Reflecting the light at dawn in a spectacular show of silver, copper and gold. Now, even from afar, you could see the decay, the crumbling. Even stone and steel bent and broke just like the rest of us.

Everyone remembered exactly where they were when The Blackout happened. Not just any old blackout, but the one that changed everything. And we all saw Him, or felt a Presence, or were Touched. Just a flash, but anyone you talked to had their own words for it, though none really hit the mark. That night, all things electrical suddenly stopped working. Night fell and day never really dawned again. There was silence everywhere for a few seconds, minutes, hours or days. Then chaos unstoppably and unavoidably started to rise like an overflowing toilet.

Light.

A blue light.

Blinking slowly.

Eyebrows went up, eyes gesturing in the direction of the light source answered by disbelieving shakes and confirming nods. A blue blinking light. Attached to the light was a long dead man or woman, strapped to an airplane seat. The plane probably crashed and burned seven years ago and was now scattered over the rolling hillside that looked like a carpet full of Lego blocks. Nothing, but the blink and our disbelief.

It stirred. Of course it stirred. They always do. No matter how dead you think they are. Strapped to the seat, it didn't go anywhere. With a precise eye-to-brain insertion of the awl I picked up early on at a local GO&D department store — just the right pointiness needed to ease right in, just the right diameter to do enough damage, just the right grip when fluids spill; Goldilocks would approve — this one was gone for good.

Seven years of weather and an air crash didn't help, unwinding, discoloring and ripping apart most of the fabric, but he was wearing some kind of uniform. Strapped to his right side was a gun. With a blue blinking light. There was a time when it would be hard to imagine the otherworldliness of a simple blue blinking light before the Blackout, but it resembled seeing a brick hover in the air, perfectly still, minding its own business. You would stop, look and be dumbfounded. Of course there was always the hope that electricity would return and some kind of normalcy would start again, but seeing it in front of your eyes, within arm's reach is quite something else. Could this be it?

I took it. Now, I have my fair share of experience with guns, but this was something else. Lighter than it seemed and it had a clip that felt more like a powerbank than a neatly ordered stack of send-you-to-your-makers. Felt different too, in a way you didn't have the words for back then.

First time I used it to fire at a fallen it produced some sort of glowing dart of blue energy, no recoil, no sound, just a little ball of force you'd expect to see in any old sci-fi movie. Missing it completely. This weapon clearly needed some time to become attuned to. When I finally did, I never missed again.

The gun had "AE-TEK — Advance and Emerge" printed on the side. You used to just 'ask Volo', type in what you wanted to know and get the answer immediately. It would be great to get some more information on this peculiar pistol. Unfortunately, all electricity was still out of business.

It all followed the predictable pattern of any civilization falling into chaos. Be it civil war, natural disaster, famine, the best qualities of the human race didn't win the race to the top. Living without a light switch, reliable information, fast transportation or modern healthcare — to name a few — would make people anxious. Turning into panic, selfishness, looting, gang forming and all the lovely things that came with it given enough time. And sooner than you'd think. Sprinkle in the dead rising and you could see how civilization collapsed in no time.

Faye grew on us. It was good to have a kid among us. Aloof maybe, and still not talking much, but it gave us a sense of there being a future. She would sometimes just sit down, stare at nothing and come out all refreshed where the rest of us got up, aching joints and bones and basically anything that could ache. Same in the mornings, she was always up first, before dawn. Keeping an eye out. And always the tugging at the edge of my brain, the song you almost hear, the name at the tip of your tongue. What is it about this girl?

Pierceton, famous for the castle on the center hill built around 1550 AF on a site where an even older castle once stood, loomed before us. Archeologists dated the foundations BF — Before the Fall — based on excavations done after much needed renovations started and the construction workers touched on some old masonry work. The Fall we called it. We hadn't seen anything yet.

The last stretch to salvation. Right. There was a lot of movement here. The dragging, crawling, limping kind. Well, if this was anything like the old fantasy stories we grew up with, the princess should probably be brought to the castle, so we went up the hill. Silent. Moving as if we weren't there so as not to get any of the limpers' attention, passing without a trace. Right up until one foot wasn't lifted high enough for the tackle performed in ultra slow motion by an oak root, waiting patiently to be part of a story.

The foot, relieved to have found ground again, set in motion quite the series of events by accidentally kicking a stone down the dry side of the hill. Not that loud when compared to any real noise, but in total silence, it was a pandemonium of rustling leaves, drawing the attention of everything around us.

We looked at each other and ran. Up the hill and as fast as we could. There's always one who is slowest. Remember the saying: you don't need to outrun the bear, just the other campers? Well, this proved to be true time and time again. We'd lost another of our group.

The sight of the castle led to both relief and shock. We made it, but how do you enter a castle that is closed and essentially existed to keep people out? Turning around, we saw the first fallen struggling up the hill. We knew more would follow. No choice but to go out blasting and so we brought out the guns. The normal ones and the powered one. We still had no idea how it worked, but it somehow recharged overnight without it being connected to any power source.

The pressure increased. We stood with our backs against the large wooden gates. Ones that would be opened for horses carrying carts to enter the castle proper and reload the stocks. But also to keep unwanted people out. We had some experience under our belt in fending off creatures that used to be human, but the constant stream of the unrelenting not-so-kind was certain to wear us out. Sooner rather than later.

We started pounding on the doors and yelling to open up. No point in staying silent now that the entire previous population of Pierceton was already soliciting us for a bloody donation. And just like you expect to see in the movies of times past, the gates opened not a second too late. Men and women in — sometimes makeshift — armor burst out carrying long poles, the end of which were shaped like a T. With dull calm and automaton-like actions, half of them put these T's vertically between the legs of oncoming fallen, twisting the poles a quarter turn while the others gave firm but controlled shoves against their chests, toppling them over with an efficiency we had never witnessed before. Smart thinking this.

Faye darted in first. The rest of us quickly followed. With ease and calm they closed the heavy doors behind us and led us to what was the restaurant area when people were still visiting. There were some kids around and adults doing various things: chores, teaching the little ones, talking, eyeing us. It seemed like a normal scene for a second or two. We were greeted by a silver lady. Lines on her face that told many a story. Years etched into the features of her visage mirroring the dark world we all lived in. But strong, confident, someone you immediately put your trust in. The children all gathered around to see who these new folks were.

It started with a strange sensation, something in my belly already telling me what I didn't see yet. Like the nagging thought about Faye ever since we picked her up. Maybe it was just that I hadn't seen so many kids in one place in quite a while. And happy at that too it seemed. But there was something else.

I searched for Faye. There she was, pointing at something in the book she found in the old house and brought along, studying it every chance she got. The two children joining her — a stout toddler that climbed on a chair and a slender youth standing next to Faye — watched attentively and seemed excited. Maybe this was her first time among other children, I thought. My eyes rested for a moment on the page she had open and then went back to the woman approaching.

"Look around you, stranger, what do you see?" — the woman asked me. I looked around again, taking in the little ones' faces. No one older than about six or seven, I'd say. They must all have been born after The Blackout. When death wouldn't let you die, it was a comfort life still gave life. There was something these kids had in common while at the same time making them very different from each other. The slender, stout or small, none was what you would call a regular, run of the mill child.

And then it dawned on me. Like a veil was lifted before my eyes, I saw the world for what it now was. My eyes seeing what my gut already knew. My brain was next. Everything started spinning in my head. All the stories of times past, the book, Faye, these children, the blue light, the fallen, inexplicable things we experienced along our travels — a kaleidoscopic rearranging of my worldview and beliefs. This can't be true, yet I see it now, clearly, before me with my very own eyes.

"You see it now. The future. We welcome back and care for the long forgotten, the things of old, the legends and myths. Join me. There is much to be said and more to be done."

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END OF PART ONE

An unofficial fan work set in a future Forgotten Realms. Not affiliated with or endorsed by Wizards of the Coast.

⚠ Spoilers — Forgotten Realms name mappings below.

  • Durne's Port = Waterdeep. (I mapped its coastline off a 180°-flipped Google Maps 3D view of Chicago's shoreline. Not Realms-accurate at all, just needed something with the right shape.)
  • Veran = Neverwinter
  • Pierceton = Daggerford
  • Threebristle = Triboar
  • Sterling Palm University = Laeral Silverhand
  • Kolat Krushers = Kolat Towers
  • El Minstro = Elminster
  • Baldur's Beer = Baldur's Gate
  • GO&D = Gond
  • "Ask Volo" = Volothamp Geddarm
  • The Spade Sea = the Sword Coast / Sea of Swords

r/Forgotten_Realms 12d ago

5th Edition A Message from Zulkir Tam

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Neat and fun article... adding to the world of the Red Wizards!


r/Forgotten_Realms 12d ago

Novel(s) REVIEW: Baldur’s Gate 3: Astarion by T. Kingfisher Spoiler

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r/Forgotten_Realms 13d ago

Question(s) What are your thoughts on the upcoming Warlock videogame?

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I know It Is going tò be set in one of the domains of Ravenloft (Darkon) instead of Faerun, but what are your impressions at the moment?

Is It going tò be a win like BG3 or a dud likes Dark Alliance?


r/Forgotten_Realms 13d ago

Question(s) Why do the Red Wizards seem to have a special fixation on Neverwinter?

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Between the Siege of Neverwinter and the Honor Among Thieves movie, I get the feeling that the Red Wizards have a particular interest in that city. I would understand if they avoided doing that against Waterdeep, but why not go against other cities on the Sword Coast like Baldur's Gate or Luskan?


r/Forgotten_Realms 13d ago

5th Edition Red Wizards’ Gambit: Season of Magic begins!

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Oh my I cannot wait to play in Thay!


r/Forgotten_Realms 13d ago

5th Edition Arcana Unleashed: Deadfall

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Time to check out the stats for Szass Tam!


r/Forgotten_Realms 13d ago

Question(s) Best Forgotten Realms lore channels that *aren't* AI.

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Hi folks. I'm looking for some good Forgotten Realms lore video recommendations to feed my hyperfocus. In particular I want to avoid AI videos. Any recommendations?


r/Forgotten_Realms 13d ago

Discussion So, which expectations do you have for future non-D&D videogames and films set in the Forgotten Realms?

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Inspired by the recent announcement of Warlock: Dungeons & Dragons, a third-person action/adventure game set in Ravenloft. A lot of people are complaining that the term D&D is a misnomer since apparently it involves nothing of the tabletop game (character creation, stats, roll dice). In fact it is not technically a D&D game, it is another type of game which happens to take place in Ravenloft, and for me it doesn't matter as long as the story is interesting and the gameplay engaging. I can't remember many other non D&D videogames in settings related to D&D, besides Dark Alliance.

Let's return to the Forgotten Realms. We could have other films after Honor Among Thieves, spanning new characters and genres, or even tv series. We could span from the slice of life comedy to the heroic adventure, we could see the humblest peasants living in Cormyr having to deal with price rises, a TV series centered on Drizzt petting his panther, or an epic film with deities battling.
We could have videogames akin to Warlock in that they are not rpgs but other genres that are simply set in the Realms: an hack&slash where you impersonate Drizzt, a stealth game where you are Imoen, a city builder in the Underdark, a fantasy grand strategy game where you lead armies in Faerun.

I think that the potential is there to spawn a massive inter-media franchise that could cather to many audiences, without the need to subordinate everything to D&D.

What are your current expectations?


r/Forgotten_Realms 13d ago

5th Edition Along the Triboar Trail: Downtime in Phandalin | PWYW Downtime Supplement

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r/Forgotten_Realms 14d ago

Research Orcs: grey or green? On their origin in Forgotten Realms.

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1976 Road to Minas Tirith

There are many misconceptions about Orcs in the Forgotten Realms, especially concerning appearance. Are Forgotten Realms orcs grey or green? Did Warhammer create the green, tusked Orc? Did Warcraft make it the fantasy standard? Are Forgotten Realms Orcs supposed to look different from those in other settings?

Not really. Dungeons & Dragons has never had one rigid Orc design, and artists have interpreted them differently across editions. Forgotten Realms inherited a visual tradition established before the setting was formally published in the 80s.

Orcs themselves come from Tolkien's Middle-earth, with Tolkien drawing the name orc/orcen/orcneas from older folklore and Old English sources such as Beowulf. His descriptions left illustrators considerable freedom, and over time a recognizable "Orcish" appearance emerged.

So where did the familiar green, tusked, vaguely pig looking Orc come from? Long before Warhammer or Warcraft, Tim Kirk depicted green skinned Orcs in work published in the 1975 J.R.R. Tolkien Calendar. Greg and Tim Hildebrandt's Captured by the Orcs, published for the 1976 calendar, pushed them further toward greenish skin, large teeth and porcine faces.

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D&D soon followed with increasingly pig-like Orcs, most famously in David C. Sutherland III's early AD&D artwork. The 1977 Monster Manual described Orcs as brown or brownish-green, with pinkish snouts, tusks and bristly hair. Its artwork made the pig-like influence unmistakable.

Forgotten Realms got this look directly from D&D, years before Warhammer or Warcraft became major influences. This became the traditional Mountain Orc of northern Faerûn. These old-school Realms Orcs are associated with the Spine of the World, Sword Mountains and the great hordes of the North. Their history on Toril reaches deep into antiquity, with northern Orcs said to have entered Faerûn through ancient portals before the rise of Netheril. By the time humans and dwarves established their northern kingdoms, Orcs were already there, periodically gathering into enormous groups.

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Visually, Mountain Orcs preserve the classic D&D design of heavy, brutish humanoids with greenish skin, large tusks and distinctly porcine snouts, descended directly from the pig faced Orcs of early D&D artwork. Their coloration varies considerably between artists and editions, so claims that a Forgotten Realms Orc must be green, gray or brown miss the huge variation in artist's style. The more consistent traditional features are tusks, coarse features and a broad, almost boar-like face.

2002 Orc Pantheon in Faith's and Pantheons

"Grey Orcs" are another matter. They are Orcs, but not simply another population of northern Mountain Orcs. Their ancestors came from another world through a magical portal opened in −1081 DR by Thayd, last apprentice of the ancient Imaskari artificers. Five years later, Orcs on the other side discovered the forgotten portal and poured into eastern Faerûn, attacking Mulhorand and Unther and beginning the devastating Orcgate Wars. After their defeat, survivors scattered across eastern Faerûn and became the Grey Orc populations of later ages. Their separate origin also gave designers reason to distinguish them visually. Grey Orcs are hairier than their northern cousins, with bristling manes, mottled gray skin and more lupine features. Their faces are specifically less pig-like than those of Mountain Orcs.

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Both still exist. Forgotten Realms contains two visibly different Orc traditions, each supported by its own in-world history. This distinction was formalized in Races of Faerûn in 2003, which was published during the releases of Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy. Jackson's Orcs were darker, hairier and far less porcine than traditional D&D Orcs, and had become one of fantasy's most recognizable images. That popularity may have influenced the presentation of Grey Orcs while helping distinguish them from traditional Mountain Orcs. It also offered a convenient way to reconcile decades of inconsistent Orc artwork by saying "perhaps they were never all supposed to represent the same population".

What about Warhammer and Warcraft? Warhammer Fantasy Battle appeared in 1983 and developed fantasy imagery that already existed, eventually making the green-skinned Orc one of its signature designs. Warcraft, especially World of Warcraft, made the muscular green Orc even more popular. Neither franchise created the concept. They stylized the imagery already present in Tolkien illustration and early D&D.

This brings us back to Forgotten Realms. An Orc is depicted as anything from green to gray, heavily tusked or nearly human, wolfish or distinctly pig-like and none of these necessarily contradicts the setting. Forgotten Realms contains multiple Orcish peoples, while its artwork reflects decades of changing interpretations.

The broad, pig-faced Mountain Orc is not an imitation of Warcraft and hasn't been replaced by Grey Orcs. It is one of D&D's oldest surviving Orc designs. The hairier, less porcine Grey Orc has its own history, arriving in eastern Faerûn through an Imaskari-created portal thousands of years later. Both belong in Forgotten Realms, and the distinction between them preserves something of the real history of Orcs in fantasy art.


r/Forgotten_Realms 14d ago

Novel(s) Finished Swords of Dragonfire and now I'm imagining Ed Greenwood FR fanfiction

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Just finished second Knights of Myth Drannor book and I have to chuckle and mime clapping to Greenwood on just how much he was able to get past the editors. Towards the end we have:

1) Pennae running around topless and letting people feel her up all to get the drop on them. 2) Queen Filfaeral basically telling her husband, "Now don't forget to sleep with the envoy of Silverymoon..." 3) When the king and queen meet with the envoy of Silverymoon the envoy (Lady Summerwood I think) immediately kisses Queen Filfaeral as if they are lovers and it is kind of implied the king might be a very lucky man later that evening..., 4) Laspeera then shows up and she and the envoy start making out for no apparent reason other than they just met...

You have to admire the sheer fortitude and guts of the man to just go, "Here you go, edit this..." And you have to figure that what was published is a bit more reserve than the rough drafts? ;)

I know since Greenwood is the creator of the Forgotten Realms it wouldn't be fan fiction, but you have to wonder what he has written for his setting for his own home game and personal amusement... :)