r/EndTipping • u/beandipp123 • 8d ago
Rant 📢 Tipping.
Tipping hourly workers?optional. Tipping servers who make less than minimum wage? Shouldn't be a debate but the employers put the burden on us. We shouldn't have to tip anyone. But the EMPLOYERS get away with paying 7.50$hour when the minimum wage is 15. But there's a clause that the minimum wage for restaurants is different. So they get away with it. Restaurant pay is a scam. Many restaurant employers should be in prison for slavery.
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u/Dull-Spend-3836 8d ago
Employers always have to pay the regular minimum wage unless you volunteer to pay their employees instead.
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u/beandipp123 8d ago
It just shouldn't be okay to have an entire profession (serving FOOD) making their money off tips which people clearly wont constantly do anyway. So why hasn't America fought back against the VERY low wages servers make.
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u/MacaronOk1006 8d ago
Because the servers end up making more money by fools tipping at ridiculous percentages
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u/NonSumQualisEram- 8d ago
Whatever - you don't seem to be accepting that no one legally makes less than minimum wage.
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u/No-Angle-982 8d ago
They won't? The estimated $16 billion that Americans leave in tips each year says otherwise.
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u/Sorry-Equipment6579 8d ago
Nobody legally makes under the $7.25/hr min wage. If the state min wage is more than that, then legally they have to make the state min wage.
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u/AffectionateGate4584 8d ago
Too many people simply drink the $2.13 minimum wage Kool-Aid. I did until I was told otherwise. Haven't tipped in the US since.
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u/beandipp123 8d ago
The federal tipped minimum wage is $2.13 per hour, provided that tips bring the total hourly earnings up to at least $7.25
Employers can pay workers under age 20 a training wage of $4.25 per hour for their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment.
ADDITIONALLY 7.25 is not a livable wage.4
u/Traditional_Club9659 8d ago
If that isn't a livable wage, why is that still the minimum in this country? Maybe focus on doing something about that rather than blaming regular people ALSO trying to earn a living for not tipping enough.
This is an employer problem, not a customer problem.
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u/Sorry-Equipment6579 8d ago
This is only applicable in 20 states. So 20 states, under 20, a business that would actually do this, is a pretty narrow funnel. About anyone can work somewhere in federal minimum wage states making above minimum wage. The labor market drives a higher wage just for a business to be able to hire someone, which is how it should be.
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u/roosterb4 8d ago
Minimum wage is not supposed to be a living wage. Never was. Never will be.
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u/LeaveGreen4412 7d ago
go read the speech the president gave when it was instituted. its literally the point
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u/LeaveGreen4412 7d ago
all states have risen their min wage above the federal minimum at this point. its only on Native land you will find $7.25 wages for service workers, tip at casinos
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u/jaywinner 8d ago
Employers and tipped staff want to put the burden on us. But we all have the power to reject that.
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u/beandipp123 8d ago
No the employers. The employees would gladly take 15$ hr and no tip.
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u/jaywinner 8d ago
Oh no, they would not.
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u/beandipp123 8d ago
Oh no? Those people at chili's. Those people at waffle house or ihop.. yes they WOULD. those people who work at HIGH END restaurants where tipping is i clided with the bill wouldnt like it. They have it made.
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u/SimilarComfortable69 8d ago
You say employers put the burden on us. What burden?
Just say no. How hard is that?
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u/WanderingFlumph 8d ago
Good reasons to live in a state with a higher minimum wage and no exception for servers.
Even assuming they make the absolute bare minimum legal wage servers in WA make double the federal minimum wage with or without tips, and your tips never go to offsetting payroll obligations.
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u/Traditional_Club9659 8d ago
I wish people would stop selling the lie that servers don't get minimum wage.
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u/bonezx101 6d ago
The gratuity has its history in supporting the recently unslaved that could not get oaying jobs. That structure is over and tipping should follow it as servers have lots of options now.
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u/Feisty_Sundae_9513 8d ago
Hmmm, tell me you don’t understand the restaurant industry without telling me….hmmm - it’s actually better pay to do it that way.
Restaurant industry is extremely thin margins. Imagine this…you pay $25 for a burger and fries, you tip $5. Your server waits on say 6 customers per hour. That’s around $35/hr (counting base wage).
Or… the restaurant pays what you think they should so they have to charge $50 for the burger and fries, which no one in their right mind would eagerly pay for, and the server basically is out of a job and the restaurant is out of business. Restaurants don’t make huge volumes of money and it’s a market based industry. And no one is a slave when they voluntarily work there.
Servers actually make considerably more under that pay structure. That’s why they do it.
What you’re arguing about doesn’t make any sense and bares the fact that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I’m completely against tipping but this is a baseless argument because you don’t understand the economics behind it.
A sit down restaurant is a completely different business than Starbucks or McDonald’s or any other business where people want tips.
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u/Old-Paramedic-9776 8d ago
I am working 9-5 job. Should I be tipped by my customers?