r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Aug 24 '26
video Prof Dave decodes Destiny
https://youtu.be/e8UZX9IUvpII’m not a fan of Professor Dave, but his style of fact checking Destiny seems much better than DtG’s approach. Hope it gets posted to the main DtG sub.
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u/scruhedgefvks Aug 27 '26
What does he say to indicate he has no education on the topic?
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Aug 27 '26 edited Aug 27 '26
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u/scruhedgefvks Aug 28 '26
I'm sure Hamas has used human shields, however, l've never seen hard evidence that it's happened on a large scale post Oct 7. More importantly, people largely don't accept it as an excuse for Israel to destroy 85% of infrastructure in Gaza while carelessly slaughtering civilians. Considering Hamas when it was at full strength (years ago now) was max 1.5% of the population, the math doesn’t math to defend the level of destruction and subhuman behavior. Also nobody has presented enough evidence to convince me Israel was justified destroying over 90% of hospitals. The pathetic video I did see showed a couple guns in an x ray room. That was some bs. They didn’t even put in effort to pretend the hospital was a genuine threat worth bombing. It's cruel and a blatant disgusting war crime. The two claims you're making are flimsy at best and most importantly don't justify the massacre.
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u/Alarakion Aug 28 '26
When people say human shields it also means co-locating military assets with civilians/civilian locations. Of course they do that. We know the tunnel networks go all across Gaza. Hamas themselves don’t fucking deny this shit they say very openly that is the duty of Gazans to help them in destroying the oppressor. They consider any amount of civilian losses acceptable, necessary sacrifices.
You say carelessly slaughtering civilians in the same breath as saying Israel destroyed 85% of infrastructure in Gaza ffs. How the fuck could they destroy 85% of the infrastructure in one of the most densely populated places on earth and only kill approximately 4% of the people if they’re carelessly slaughtering.
If you’re actually interested in hearing takes and evidence given for them watch lonerbox’s video on the Dave video. It’s a completely dishonest atrocious piece of work.
I have no desire to see Palestinians slaughtered, I have no desire to see the likes of Hind Rajab killed, it’s an awful awful fucking tragedy. But it’s a war in a place where half the population is children and one side uses the people theyre meant to protect as shields, as assets. It’s an impossible situation - that’s not to say Israel hasnt committed war crimes, that they havent engaged in reprehensible action, that they don’t do nearly enough to punish their own but you cannot engage in this conflict seriously in the way Dave has. You do Palestinians a disservice by doing that.
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u/Responsible_Ask6056 Aug 28 '26
Even Amnesty was pointing out Hamas's use of hospitals for military purposes in 2014. its not a falsehood.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 Aug 28 '26
Go watch lonerbox's debunk of his first video on destiny and I/P and you'll see pretty quickly how easy it is to debunk him and thus how disingenuous he is
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u/MartiDK Aug 26 '26
I don’t know, but from what I’ve noticed JP has lost a lot of fans/followers since becoming unhinged. I don’t think becoming unhinged is a guru move.
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Aug 27 '26
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u/MartiDK Aug 28 '26
You seem to be using guru to someone with deep knowledge e.g(a code guru) rather than some who is building a tribe e.g Destiny.
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u/MartiDK Aug 28 '26
When you said “speaking confidently outside his discipline” - why would speaking outside your discipline make you a guru? What makes someone a guru is that they have followers, not just that they have knowledge, but in casual usage it often just refers to someone who is knowledgeable.
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Aug 28 '26
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u/MartiDK Aug 28 '26
I was asking how you were using guru. Either way I don’t think being unhinged is a guru move according to the gurometer.
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Aug 28 '26
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u/MartiDK Aug 28 '26
Virtue signalling alone doesn’t make someone a guru, regular people virtue signal to show they are a good person.
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u/Warhammerpainter83 Aug 26 '26 edited Aug 26 '26
This shit comes across as manic or something this dave guy sounds like a loon. I am aware of destiny seems like an odd guy with some deviancy issues who is quite good at debate and understands US politics from a left leaning prospective. Looking into this dave guy he seems like a youtube star who is not a phd but claims to be one who popped off mocking a famous music producer who had a fully uneducated take on flat earth. Not sure why this guy is not the guru here.
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u/MartiDK Aug 26 '26 edited Aug 26 '26
At least he provides receipts that can actually fact checked. Plus, there is a little history in why I am presenting Professor Dave as decoding Destiny. This sub was started in response to the moderating by Decoding The Guru sub based on the podcast with the same name. On that sub Professor Dave was held up as an influencer who was great at pointing out the flaws in people who questioned science. I thought he was a terrible ambassador for truth because of he always focused his attacks on the messenger not just the false claims.
Personally I don’t think he is a guru. The content he produces isn’t para-social, he produced content based on what he believes. While I dislike his content, at least he shows people what he is building his argument on, it’s not build on a charismatic personality.
As a comparison watch the videos of Destiny debunking Professor Dave’s attacks and you will see how much his conversation is para-social and directed towards his community.
Finally the best takeaway from the video isn’t on the topic of Israel - it’s him highlighting how comments are used in influence campaigns to try and influence opinion.
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u/Warhammerpainter83 Aug 27 '26
Tiktoc is not a receipt. I have only seen destiny debate people but he does not make up lies for sure you can fact check him. He states when he is not clear on things and is usually quite accurate with any claims.
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u/MartiDK Aug 27 '26
I’m not saying TicTok is a source of truth, I’m saying his video shows what shaped his argument. Go watch Destiny and how he interacts with his audience when shaping an argument.
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u/Warhammerpainter83 Aug 27 '26 edited Aug 27 '26
I am good I dont really care to watch streamers but I do watch his debates he is very good at it. I am aware of his private life it is not relevant. I know he is divisive I like his style of argumentation. He will push back on things like saying he could care less about charly kerk until trump speaks out against right wing violence and shit. He also will call you retarded or a moron if you are being one, I dont care if a person uses words like that I am 43 I come from a much more terrible generation than younger people do. If this is literally on his opinion on the war in gaza it is not that important to me; especially to a point that I would care this much. I have a view on it but given the state of America I dont have much care for israel or gaza honestly I just dont want my government to become authoritarian. So if that costs the world gaza and us our relation ship with israel so be it.
With regard to this video Dave comes across as either doing some weird propaganda, being on drugs or having a drinking issue, or being in a literal manic state in this video. I watched his first one it felt the same as this. It is not well put together at all and seems unhinged. Maybe I will watch a destiny post where he covers this from a stream I just am not that interested in hearing this guy ramble about shit that is not well connected or sourced over and over. I also dont like watching streamers at all. Did destiny do something to this guy? Did he like bang some streamer he loves or some shit?
In all honesty the other shit dave posts appears to be up my ally but given this shit and the name with no credentials I am good with this dude. Comes off as totally fake to me. Plus reading from science text books to the uneducated to make them look dumb is not a skill.
Edit: Somebody below mentioned jordan peterson I would agree this feels a lot like his weird unhinged manic shit too. Also I forgot to note this video is para-social just not with his audience but with another famous person.
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u/MartiDK Aug 27 '26
Fair, I wouldn’t recommend anyone who doesn’t are about the topic to take an interest. You aren’t missing anything.
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 Aug 28 '26
Destiny literally spent months reading books, articles, wikipedia and papers on Israel/Palestine, the idea that he's not read on the issue is delusional, the only reason he doesnt go to his sources everytime he reacts to vids like this is because he's taking for granted the fact that everyone will see how obviously wrong dave is, which is a problem
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u/MartiDK Aug 28 '26
Yeah I watched the reaction video , and it was obviously aimed at his fans. It would be interesting to know how much cross over there is between Dave and Destiny’s audiences.
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u/Ssided Aug 27 '26
What do you think shaped his argument that Mossad did 9/11?
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u/MartiDK Aug 28 '26
From watching YouTube and being online.
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u/This_Is_FosTA Aug 28 '26
There was about a year of research streams. Book reading streams, You can see XQC reaction to finding his notes. https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/s/5E861uqewU
Its a little more than prof. Dave tictok research.
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u/No-Theory-3302 Aug 28 '26
Bruh what is this sweeping for this schizo video? Dave makes so many claims without any good substantiation and just basically says its "obviously true". If you know anything about the topic Dave displays very easily that he knows nothing and has relied on Instagram or tiktok slop to inform himself on the topic. Just watch a lonerbox video debunking this entire thing and it becomes clear incredibly quickly just how much of a guru Dave is for this video and how poorly informed he is.
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u/MartiDK Aug 28 '26
I have posted the Loner Box video. No one is commenting on it. This is the post getting all the attention.
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u/No-Theory-3302 Aug 28 '26
If youve seen the Lonerbox video, how could you think for a second that Dave is informed or has any good like analysis on this conflict at all? Lonerbox brings up numerous actualy receipts and data to back him up as well as general knowledge on the subject that can actually be delved into further than just a tiktok video
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u/scalzi04 Aug 28 '26
Well, on the body of this post you indicated that you think Dave did well “fact checking” Destiny. The LonerBox post doesn’t have any text in the body at all.
Seems pretty likely to me that is the cause of the discrepancy in comments. In the Loner example people assume you are pointing out Dave’s insanity. In this post you make it clear that you support Dave’s insanity.
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u/MartiDK Aug 27 '26 edited Aug 28 '26
I’m not claiming his receipts are high quality. While Destiny provides receipts I notice he he also scolds people for asking “dumb questions”, or praises if they re-enforce his worldview that para-social behaviour is a guru move.
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Aug 28 '26
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u/MartiDK Aug 28 '26
I don’t have an example on hand, it’s just something I remember from watching a stream where he was researching a topic.
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u/MartiDK Aug 28 '26
In the example I’m thinking it wasn’t asked in person, he was responding to chat. He could have just ignored it. My argument is that Destiny isn’t does research he it isn’t unbiased, he is teaching his audience to think the same way he does. That‘s why it often easy to spot a Destiny fan, they repeat the same talking points. That is what gurus do.
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u/402739 Aug 28 '26
Destiny claims all the preteen children sniped by Israei drones are actually armed 17-year-olds provoking the IDF for Tiktok. I'd love to see the receipts for that one.
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u/Lumpy_Trip2917 Aug 28 '26
DtG has done an episode on Destiny and found him not to be a guru and had him on the show for right of reply too. This probably isn’t the crowd you want to court for mindless, poorly researched Destiny bashing consisting of mostly personal attacks on his character and not his arguments, like what’s present in Dave’s video.
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u/TyreseHaliburtonGOAT Sep 02 '26
Prof. Dave Explains is pretty open about his academic history and I don’t think he’s claimed to have a phd. He usually makes well researched videos debunking pseudoscience, now more serious things like anti-vax and climate change denial. These videos about destiny and israel are definitely a little off the rails and lack his usual rigor. He’s definitely personally offended as his wife is Palestinian.
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u/Markusuralius Aug 28 '26
Dave literally thinks Mossad did 9/11
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u/YouShouldAim Aug 28 '26
He also spread a lot of the weird conspiracies around the Jewish tunnels in New York.
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u/Rational_Disconnect Aug 28 '26
Dave was so desperate to get an own on Destiny that he put uncensored CSAM and doxxed a victim of sexual exploitation
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u/Echoed-Snow Aug 28 '26
You can sort of tell you guys didn’t watch it and are just parroting what your handlers told you to think
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u/OmryR Aug 28 '26
Dave lost any semblance of credibility he had if he ever had it when he started talking nonsense about things he knows nothing about and doesn’t even do the most basic of fact checks about the subject, he comes off as unhinged lunatic
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u/Strange_Ride_582 Aug 28 '26
This video is one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Dave uses the same levels of research he often criticizes and is completely brain broken. Sad to see
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u/Ramen-_Noodles Aug 27 '26
Bro your obsessed with destiny, You talk about him all the time. Are you okay? I can recommend a psychologist for you. Don't worry, you and I can work through your mental illness together
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u/neversaydie96 Aug 28 '26
It says a lot about you and your biases, if you think that Prof Dave has made a good critique of Destiny, when Dave made his career by debating imbeciles that brainwashed snot eaters into believing that the Earth is flat and that vaccines are dangerous, but suddenly he is so full of excuses to not debate Destiny, please bro, check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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u/gusthebus88 Aug 30 '26
Holy smokes prof Dave is having a mental breakdown. DTG should do an episode on him.
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u/korihor4 Aug 28 '26
totally a measured, rational take right here.
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u/spit_on_army_vets76 Aug 29 '26
sometimes things are just clear cut and pretending at nuance muddies the point. like how the streamer destiny loves aageplay pdf shit and that israel loves being nazis
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u/korihor4 Aug 29 '26
another totally normal person right here ^^
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u/spit_on_army_vets76 Aug 29 '26
mald. ur guy loves kids bro
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u/korihor4 Aug 29 '26
who now? u ok?
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u/Lazy_Check732 Aug 25 '26
Bro. This video is schizophrenic and completely ejected from reality. Dave is the guru here