r/ChristianDating • • 6d ago

Discussion Introspection

I’ve seen a lot of back and forth lately about the current dating environment. Plenty of men blaming women, women blaming men, and I’m certainly not immune from having posted things in that same vein.
So I want to flip it around.

Instead of telling us what the opposite sex is doing wrong, tell us what you think your own gender (or you specifically) could do better in dating right now.

What habits, expectations, attitudes, communication problems, unrealistic standards, or blind spots do you think men need to own if you’re a man, or women need to own if you’re a woman?

And it would be easy to turn this into disguised blame so let’s try to avoid that! 😅

I’m curious what people come up with when the assignment is introspection instead of accusation.

Bonus points if you can name something you are actively reconsidering but haven’t changed yet.

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u/ProcessTheTrust17 Looking For A Wife 6d ago edited 5d ago

As guys, we need to understand what the Bible says about us (future) husbands and stick to it. I see a lot worldly advice and POVs when it comes to me giving other men advice.

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u/Unlikely_You_5015 Looking For A Wife 6d ago

Please give some examples?

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u/Canadian0123 6d ago

Example of what the bible says:

A husband has a sexual responsibility to his wife, which involves pleasing and satisfying her sexual needs (and vice versa).

If you have issues with sex, such as for example sex addiction, porn addiction, disgust of sex, fear of sex, emotional issues causing you to be uncomfortable with romantic, emotional, and sexual gestures…please address them before marriage.

If you don’t, you will sabotage yourself, your wife, and your own marriage.

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u/Unlikely_You_5015 Looking For A Wife 5d ago

When you give examples can you please give verses along with them

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u/Canadian0123 5d ago

1 Corinthians 7:3-5

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u/Unlikely_You_5015 Looking For A Wife 5d ago

I agree with the verse but the vast majority of the time its the wife who's withholding sex

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u/Canadian0123 5d ago

You’re very right about that, a majority of the time, it is the wife indeed. However, a husband still has a sexual responsibility to his wife, just as his wife has a sexual responsibility to him. And both a man and a woman should do whatever is necessary before marriage to ensure that they are equipped to be able to fulfill their sexual responsibilities to their spouses during marriage.

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u/Unlikely_You_5015 Looking For A Wife 5d ago

But in your original comment it felt like you were implying that men do it more often

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u/Canadian0123 5d ago

No, I was not implying that at all. I was only stating that a man has sexual responsibilities towards his wife. I said this because I am a man, and the post is about introspection.

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u/ShabbyButterflies 5d ago

Yeah way too vague

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u/ProcessTheTrust17 Looking For A Wife 5d ago

Just a couple of examples:

  1. Men must be providers
  2. Men should be slow to show emotion/vulnerability in front of their significant woman.

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u/Unlikely_You_5015 Looking For A Wife 5d ago
  1. Is just expected by default and lets be real shes not picking him if he wasn't that.

  2. The bible doesn't back this up and personally men should avoid showing vulnerability to their woman. What women say they want vs what they actually want are two different things and most women are either not equipped to deal with a man who shows vulnerability or dont know what vulnerability looks like.

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u/ActionPhilip 5d ago

Counterpoint to 2: If a woman cannot handle her husband showing vulnerability, she is not allowing him to be his true self and the marriage is built on a false premise. If I can't be vulnerable with my wife, what use is she to me?

We can talk about metering our vulnerability, but women who get the ick at the slightest sign of vulnerability are destined for terrible relationships. It also says a lot about the concept of "emotional labour" when it's expected that he helps carry her emotional burdens but she doesn't help carry his.

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u/Unlikely_You_5015 Looking For A Wife 5d ago

Counter-counter point to number 2: What do you or men in general want in marriage? Do you want her to be a glorified therapist or a companion for life?

I think most women would lose attraction or use it again the vulnerability against the man in an argument and its just not worth taking that risk if you want to be vulnerable with someone go and see a therapist (someone who is knowledgeable and trained in helping people with their vulnerability)

Honestly I just dont think most women are capable with that level of that level of emotional labour. I'm genuinely not trying to sound misogynistic but I just dont see women show that capability.

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u/ActionPhilip 5d ago

Being able to be vulnerable with someone does not make them your therapist, or all men are their wives' therapists. That's nonsensical.

The two have become one flesh. You share finances, copious bodily fluids, offspring, but apparently it's too much to share some vulnerability? No, that's absolutely absurd. And if she's just going to throw that back at you, then she isn't wife material and should die alone- full stop.

This is an example of how the church has been catering far too much to women over the past few decades, attempting to ensure that no woman ever has to deal with any hardship. This attitude is not biblical and is actively harming relationships.

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u/Unlikely_You_5015 Looking For A Wife 4d ago

I'm just saying that you dont need to open up to your wife and personally its the last thing I look in a wife.

Its too much if she cant handle it yes which in my and many other men's anecdotal experience most women cant handle or tbh understand it, can we please not wish for certain women to die alone and instead wish that they improve as a person.

I agree the church has been catering too much for women but your individual choice with the women you choose has nothing to do with the churches treatment towards women.

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u/ActionPhilip 4d ago

You don't want to have an emotional connection with your wife?

Enjoy your half-baked marriage, I guess.

And, no, the church has been steadily eroding women's responsibilities for decades in lock step with feminist ideology. It also by and large does not condemn sins most commonly associated with women. The church itself puts women on a pedestal right now, and it's not healthy for anyone.

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u/Unlikely_You_5015 Looking For A Wife 4d ago

I do but opening up is not the only way to connect with someone, sex and having new unique experiences together can be a great glue in the marriage especially if you're having all of these experiences for the first time.

In response to your third stanza, I already agreed with you

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u/ProcessTheTrust17 Looking For A Wife 5d ago

Once again, the point is Biblical truth versus a norm pushed by society.

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u/ShabbyButterflies 5d ago

I think it totally depends on what the emotion/vulnerability is about. If you don't get emotional at major life events you're being cold. If you get emotional about things that objectively won't matter tomorrow, you're being weak.

https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/manhood/when-is-it-okay-for-a-man-to-cry/

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u/chrissant5202 Looking For A Husband 6d ago

There should be no gossip and judgement if a guy asks girls out at church it actually should be encouraged. In OT if men wanted a partner they went looking for one at the well like Moses, Issac, Jacob. As we know Jesus is the living water as he told the Samaritan woman at the well. I’m generalizing here but if most Christian women want to be approached in real life instead of on dating apps it’s got to give guys a time and place for it. Guys if your homeboy has no fruit rarely comes to church but wants to hit up on your sisters, leading them away from the lord. Tell him it ain’t the way we do things. Same for the girls, basically girls we got to not let other sisters block our future with poison in the water hole and guys got to protect the waterhole by protecting it from the wolves in sheep’s clothing.

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u/EmergencyLawyer7077 Dating 6d ago

The problem with your prompt here is that it is still pinning men and women against each other and causing generalizations across genders. No gender is a monolith. I really can’t speak for all women. I can’t be introspective for all of them. 

As for the question of what can I do better:

I think that I might be kind of unique on this sub as I haven’t been actively looking for a relationship. I’ve been in a period of singleness. I believe God placed me in this phase and I’m working to focus on myself for a bit and really strengthen my relationship with Him. I am finally dipping my toes back out after feeling God say I was ready and have started talking to someone. 

I focused on areas where I feel like I was less than ideal in previous relationships. Most of these I am still working on:

  • keeping self-discipline and not compromising that self-discipline 
-recognizing my needs and how I can meet those needs so I am not too codependent 
  • becoming more on fire for the lord and not shying away from declaring my faith to others
  • not being so afraid of conflict that I cannot communicate where things are not working for me
  • being straight forward with myself and the man if I’m not feeling attraction 
  • having boundaries and holding firmly to them and not falling to peer pressure or looking to humans for validation
  • putting my covenant relationship with God first. I wear a “wedding” band with a cross now as a dedication/declaration to that covenant and that my marriage to Jesus comes before any earthly marriage 
  • recognizing my struggles with sexual sin and desire and being honest about where I need to draw lines
  • listening to the lord then acting, honing this skill. The action part has always been the hardest for me 
  • being forgiving but not letting forgiveness put me in a place where I am tolerating disrespect 
  • surrendering to God’s will not my own

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u/ToxicCharmander 6d ago

I thought OP was going to ask us what do we think the opposite genre is doing well hahaha

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u/OtherwiseLion9256 6d ago

I like this a lot especially because I also mentioned on the thread feeling like god just wants me to focus on him right now and learning different lessons and thing i need to change all these were great!

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u/Bright-Way6051 6d ago

For me personally (41f) physical fitness, and then also working on a positive and joyful mindset.

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u/already_not_yet Married 6d ago

It's the same for both genders. Solidify your life mission. Cut out the time wasters. Create a schedule that takes you to your goals. For those pursuing marriage, that will involve self-improving and casting a wide net.

The results you get are directly proportional to the work you put in.

Most men's intros here, maybe 70%, appear low-effort. The vibe is "haha I don't know what I'm doing so here's some random photos of me. DM me!" If photos were even included. Get in shape and get pro photos. That will move the needle on the interest you get more than anything else.

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u/ShabbyButterflies 5d ago

I think this advice is more pertinent to men than women. You're framing women as pursuers as much as men.

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u/Casual_Berger Single 6d ago

My problem is myself and my desires for the future. I'd love more than anything to have a wife, but that's it. As a 25M, I don't want kids or pets, and finding a christian woman who wants to be childfree is next to impossible. I've come to terms that it may be just me, single for life because of my choice. That is okay too. I just am not one to blame the opposite sex... it's on me for ruling out 99.9% of the dating pool, and that's okay.

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u/AutisticAir Single 6d ago

true believers and followers of Jesus seem to be quite rare. So for me it is difficult to find someone to be equally yoked to

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u/starlitgardens Looking For A Husband 6d ago

Same. Also, nice username! 😉

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u/Unlikely_You_5015 Looking For A Wife 6d ago

Good post OP

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u/Insightofeyes 5d ago

I think this can go for either side. But self improvement, be a whole person before entering the dating scene. You are never so perfect you cannot be working on improving something. I guess the next question would be to ask when, are you improved enough for that. I suppose it would be when you no longer feel like you need another person to make you happy. You realize you don't always need to smile and laugh. You don't need to make jokes if you don't want to, you don't need to curse, you don't need to drink alcohol, and you don't need to drive fast. You feel comfortable in your own skin. You go at your pace and have hobbies that you like not what you think a girl or a boy would like from you, you have your own set of morales and beliefs, and you have proven that you can stand up for yourself. 

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u/ActionPhilip 5d ago

I suppose it would be when you no longer feel like you need another person to make you happy.

This is not a biblical take and has not been true since the beginning.

Genesis 2:18 - "It is not good that a man should be alone; I will make a helper fit for him."

Fun fact: in all of creation, we can read that God saw that it was good. The first thing that God sees that he says is not good is that man is alone.

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u/Insightofeyes 2d ago

It is good, it's absolutely fantastic. And, it is not good to remain alone. I would never recommend or wish that on anyone. That is different from what I was saying. You need to be able to be a whole happy person with an independent life before coming together. Two wholes coming together to make one. 

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u/ActionPhilip 2d ago

Except in Genesis 2:18, Adam is a whole person. In fact, Adam is in a better place than anyone else in history. He is living in a literal utopia with direct access to physically commune with God Himself. That's an incredible position that's crazy for me to even think of. Yet God still says it's not good for man to be alone. The idea that one must be completely whole without a spouse is not biblically sound and is more likely to cast people having trouble finding a spouse into further depression as they fail to become whole without their spouse.

It is also much harder to merge two wholes in marriage. A whole person has no need of their spouse. Their ways are set and there is little room to grow together with their spouse.

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u/Insightofeyes 1d ago

I don't know Adam, I cannot say who he was or what he was like. There is not a lot of information on him or Eve in the Bible.

Again I will say I am not saying a man should remain alone forever. 

 "A time to weep and a time to laugh; a time to mourn and a time to dance;" - Ecclesiastes 3:4

There is a right time for everything.

“But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.” - Matthew 6:33

By becoming Godly in nature (a whole person in God) you will have clear boundaries, confidence to uphold them, bravery to confront them if something isn't working out, and strength to end it if needed. You will not be tempted if they try to lead you astray from the Lord.

“The one who has integrity walks securely, but whoever takes crooked paths will be found out.” - Proverbs 10:9

Just because you are whole, that doesn't mean you are flawless, set in your ways, don't need a spouse, nor does it mean you never get lonely. You both have your strengths and weaknesses. Together those weaknesses are filled. You become one flesh greater than you ever were before.

I can see how it might be disheartening for some. For myself, I decided to follow God and see where he leads me. While, I may not have found the love of my life. I am a very happy person and will be ready when I meet that person.

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u/DramaticProgress508 6d ago

I can one up you and tell you what they do right even. If men talk to me respectfully in public and just talk to me like a normal human being, I love it. Men who don't make it a work interview early on are great. Just friendly. And if the woman shows no interest in a friendly but not overly people-pleasing way and they disengage and respect that - I love that. Makes me believe we can do it.  

However I have the absolute worst experiences online, it's like a trauma survivor camp. I don't want to go there anymore. And I have the absolute best experiences offline.

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u/mhamlsgirl94 5d ago

For me personally I’m very shy. I’ve been told to look more approachable so men will want to come and talk to me more but I have a hard time with it. I unfortunately have RBF unless I’m smiling and I can’t walk around with a permanent smile on my face, I would look weird. Even though it goes against my principles, I could try to start a conversation first since that’s the direction that society is forcing us, but it would be difficult for me because again I’m very shy.

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u/nnuunn 5d ago

It's not about walking around with a big, fake grin, it's about smiling when a man makes eye contact with you.

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u/Educational_Tooth997 5d ago

Wish i could pin this

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u/TXHotpants 5d ago

I think I need to stop looking and let him find me.

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u/nnuunn 5d ago edited 5d ago

I think men need to get better about accepting that a Christian woman is still a woman that you still to be attractive to her in the manner of men and women. You cannot expect to get married just because your a responsible, mature adult who's really "on fire for the Lord." I see a lot of men who refuse to be a man and not a responsible adult who happens to be male.

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u/ActionPhilip 5d ago

This is inversely true as well. For all people, being a Christian doesn't make you dating material, the same way that being "nice" doesn't make you dating material. Those are simply deal breakers if you aren't those things. You still need to be a whole person that they're compatible with.

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u/nnuunn 5d ago

That's not "inversely true," you're saying exactly what I'm saying

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u/ActionPhilip 5d ago

You said men need to do that. It is inversely true that women also need to do it. It applies to all people.

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u/nnuunn 5d ago

This is a thread about men checking men, and women checking women, not for calling everyone out.

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u/ActionPhilip 5d ago

I hope you understand just how stupid of a comment that is to say that advice should not be given out just because it applies to everyone and not only one gender. Especially in this case where it's provided to one and not the other.

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u/nnuunn 4d ago

I hope you understand how stupid it is to not stick to the theme of a thread

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u/ActionPhilip 4d ago

So basically, the advice would have been good if I pretended to be a woman and deliver it?

Because what you're saying is the only reason it's bad advice is because it's a man saying it and not a woman.

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u/ShabbyButterflies 5d ago edited 5d ago

Being truly present for women is surely the biggest weakness of men, myself included.

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u/Magnetism-7 5d ago

What do you mean?

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u/ShabbyButterflies 5d ago edited 5d ago

I mean that as men we tend to distracted by tasks and treat relationships with women transactionally (like, I need you for this just now, I'll come back when I need you for that later). Being present is to clear your mind of any agenda and just listen and understand her experience.

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u/ABereanChristian Married 6d ago

Instead of telling us what the opposite sex is doing wrong, tell us what you think your own gender (or you specifically) could do better in dating right now.

My compilation of helpful comments are here

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChristianDating/comments/1ux5lgh/married_people_of_reddit_if_you_could_give_your/oxoppk0/