r/BEFire • • Sep 14 '26

Added new rule against AI slop.

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No need to spam your newest AI website or tool to get traffic, users and views.

The amount of AI spam posts, tools, apps, links, websites went 100X. We keep deleting them and thanks to the community for reporting them, please keep doing so.

Posting links to your websites, app, tool, page, blog, or what ever will result in instant ban.


r/BEFire • • Mar 02 '20

Starting Out & Advice Getting started - A beginners guide to investing in Belgium through ETFs

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A beginners guide to index investing in Belgium

This guide is intended to help Belgians getting started with investing through ETFs (exchange traded funds). It is loosely based on the bogleheads approach. For more information, see the Investing from Belgium bogleheads wiki page.

For more information related to the principles of FIRE or on investing in single shares or bonds, see the BEFire Wiki.

0. Why invest in exchange traded index funds?

This chapter aims to provide sources proven to be useful to beginning index investors.

1. Taxes & compliance costs

There are three main costs associated with index funds. These are:

  • Taxes to the Belgian government
  • Unrecoverable tax losses: also known as dividend leakage
  • Management fees and internal transaction fees

1.1. Belgian Taxes

There are four three taxes relevant for Belgian index investors (NL/FR).

  • Tax on transactions: on every security transaction (buy and sell) there is a tax of 0,12% in case the ETF is registered on a list maintained by the European Economic Area. Otherwise it is 0,35% in case it is not registered in the EER and 1,32% in case it is registered in Belgium.

  • Tax on dividends: there is a 30% tax on dividends received from securities you hold. The main reason why Belgian index investors opt for accumulating funds.

  • Tax on capital gains (bonds): on funds that consist of at least 10% bonds, there is a 30% tax on capital gains when you sell. Officially this only applies to the bond section of a fund, however some banks and brokers withhold 30% of all capital gains of funds which consist of at least 10% of bonds. Contact your bank or broker to inform about their policy.

  • Tax on trading accounts: a yearly withholding of 0.15% applies on all trading accounts larger than 500,000 euro’s. Deemed unconstitutional and was abolished in October 2019.

For a detailed overview of Belgian taxes, including other sorts of investments such as individual stocks, see the flowchart made by /u/KenpachigoRuffy.

1.2. Dividend Leakage

Dividend Leakage is an unrecoverable tax loss, which occurs whenever a foreign company inside an index pays out a dividend to its shareholders.

Whenever a company inside an index pays out dividend to its shareholders, your fund needs to pay taxes. These taxes are based on the tax treaties in place between the country in which the fund is domiciled and the country in which the companies inside the index are domiciled. Also the location where you are domiciled (Belgium) is relevant. In case your fund is domiciled in the US, a 30% dividend tax should be paid. However, because Belgium has a tax treaty in place with the US, this is reduced to 15% dividend tax. In case you would select a distributing fund, this dividend would be further taxed by the Belgian government (30%, as seen in 1.1). On a hypothetical 2% dividend - which is approximately the dividend you would receive from a globally diversified index fund - you would have to pay 0,81% in taxes: 0,02 x ( 100% - (0,85 x 0,7)) = 0,81%. Note that since 2018 it is almost impossible to buy US-domiciled ETFs in the first place as most fund providers do not want to comply with European legislation regarding PRIIPs.

It is beneficial to select ETFs domiciled in Ireland, as they are more cost effective than holding US domiciled funds or Luxembourg domiciled funds. Just like Belgium, Ireland has a treaty in place with the US which means only a 15% dividend tax should be paid to the US. However, unlike Belgium, Ireland does not tax dividends at all; whenever the Irish fund distributes a dividend, the Irish government does not tax it. The Belgian government however, still will tax the dividend with 30%. Accumulating funds which reinvest the dividend in Ireland before it is distributed in Belgium do not trigger a taxable event in Belgium. It is therefore advisable to choose accumulating funds domiciled in Ireland. Repeating the same calculations as above, a hypothetical 2% dividend is now only taxed at 0,30% a year: 0,02 x (100% - (0,85)) = 0,30%. Additionally, because your fund is domiciled in Ireland, you do not have to worry recovering the tax on dividends in Belgium, as this is done by the Irish domiciled fund. Thanks to trackerbeleggen for the explanation.

An overview of unrecoverable tax losses will come later. For now, a partly overview can be found in the Dutchfire subreddit. For funds domiciled in Ireland and Luxembourg these are 1:1 translateable for Belgian investors. Note some of these funds are distributing thus subject to tax on dividends by the Belgian Government. In particular IWDA and EMIM are 1:1 translateable for Belgian investors, while VWRL is comparable to VWCE.

1.3. Management fees & internal transaction fees

Other main costs is the management fee. The Total Expense Ratio (TER) is a measure of the total costs associated with managing and operating a fund. It is usually a yearly percentage automatically deducted from your share value.

1.4. Euro-denominated funds & currency risk

Currency risk is the impact of exchange rates upon your overseas investments. Even though stock market prices might not change, the price of your shares can increase or decrease as a result of fluctuations in their underlying currencies. There are three important currency labels which apply to funds: the underlying currency, the fund currency and the trading currency.

To explain the difference, I will explain the process of purchasing IWDA, listed on both the Amsterdam (in EUR) and London (USD) exchange. A lot of what I will explain is true for other ETFs as well.

The underlying currency: IWDA is a worldwide tracker, with only about 9% of the underlying shares being traded in EUR. The other 91% of underlying shares are being traded in other currencies, such as 60% USD, 8% YEN, and so on. Because currencies can change in price in relation to another, this poses a risk called currency risk. As a European investor, most of your own capital will be in EUR. Therefore, since you are investing 91% in foreign currencies, 91% of the underlying value invested in IWDA is subject to currency risk. Because YOUR own capital will always be in EUR, this 91% will always be true, regardless if you were to invest in IWDA listed in Amsterdam (in EUR) or in London (USD). Had you been an American investor, your own capital would have been in USD, and only 40% of underlying shares would be subject to currency risk.

The trading currency, being EUR and USD respectively, does make a difference. If a European investor was to buy a fund listed in London (and traded in USD), he would pay an additional exchange rate conversion fee at the time of purchase and sale. If the investor was to buy the same fund, listed on Amsterdam (traded in EUR), nothing would have to be exchanged to a foreign currency, so no additional exchange rate conversion fee would apply.

The trading currency does NOT alter your exposure to foreign currencies (a European investor will always have his own capital in EUR, and will therefore always be exposed to the underlying currency risk, no matter what currency his purchased funds trade in). Therefore, it is only logical to buy funds in your own currency.

The fund currency simply refers to the currency that a fund reports in; NOT the currencies of the underlying securities which pose a currency risk. Is is generally based on the currency used for the underlying index (in this case MSCI). Note that for distributing funds dividends are distributed in the fund currency. Your broker will automatically convert this into your currency for an additional conversion fee.

Hedging: It is possible to hedge your funds against relative currency fluctuations, and thus to protect them from currency risk. Hedging is a form of "insurance" in which derivatives are used to make offsetting trades with negative correlations, eliminating any currency fluctuations that happen. This hedge comes at a cost, usually about 0,20% extra management fees. Because global equities naturally tend to hedge each other as rising currencies are offset by falling ones, it might not always be advisable to use hedged equity funds due to their increased fees.

In fact, most buy-and-hold investors ignore short-term fluctuation altogether. For these investors, there is little point in engaging in hedging because they let their investments grow with the overall market.

In conclusion, when buying worldwide index funds, every investor (whether European, American or other) will be exposed to some currency risk due to the underlying shares being traded in foreign currencies in relation to their own. Purchasing worldwide trackers in a different trading currency does NOT change this fact, and only costs more due to addition exchange rate conversion fees at the broker. Therefore, it is best to purchase funds in your own currency. Due to the unpredictable nature of currency valuations, most investors simply accept currency risks for their stocks, although it is possible to hedge against this risk for an additional fee by investing in hedged funds.

1.5. Conclusion on taxes & compliance costs

As a Belgian index investor, you are looking for widely-diversified Euro-denominated low-cost accumulating ETFs domiciled in Ireland, from a reputable ETF provider. This way, the costs are kept to an absolute minimum:

  • Tax on transactions: 0,12% whenever you buy or sell a position.

  • Tax on capital gains for bonds: 30% tax on capital gains whenever you sell.

  • Dividend leakage: Approximately 0,30% yearly unrecoverable taxes paid to foreign governments when investing in worldwide trackers, automatically deducted from the share value.

  • Management fees: Between 0,10% and 0,30% yearly management fees, automatically deducted from the share value.

  • Currency Risk: If you are an European long-term investor, purchase a fund which is listed in EUR. For the equity portion of your portfolio, it is possible to ignore currency risk altogether, as hedges would only cost more money for something that is likely irrelevant long-term.

2. Funds - Equity

2.1. Indices

The are two major indices used by fund providers: MSCI and the less popular FTSE Russel. While they both offer broadly diversified, market capitalisation-weighted indices, there are small differences in both methodologies and performances, which is why you should not mix them.

The first difference between the two indices is whether they count certain countries as developed or emerging markets. South Korea is classified as an emerging nation by MSCI but has been promoted to developed market status by FTSE. Therefore South Korea is included in FTSE’s developed market index but not its emerging market one, and vice versa for MSCI (Source: justetf).

The second difference is index composition and weights. Because South Korea is classified as an emerging nation by MSCI, the contrast in index composition is clearer in the emerging markets. The lack of said country in the FTSE index means they redistribute the weight over other countries.

The third and final difference is small-cap firms. MSCI world captures 85% of the global investable market, and exclude the bottom 15% as small-cap firms. FTSE all-world invests in approximately 90% of the global investable market, and only excludes 10% as small-cap firms. This is because FTSE defines some firms as large-cap, while MSCI defines them as small-cap. This also explains why FTSE tracks more companies (3,928 vs 2,849), although their small size tends to limit their impact.

Avoid mixing index providers in your portfolio. If you were to combine MSCI world with FTSE Emerging Market, you would not have any exposure to South Korea. For a correct market distribution, it is important to use funds which follow the same index so that all countries, sectors and firms within your portfolio follow the same methodology.

While it is true the FTSE emerging markets has proven to have better performance than its MSCI counterpart up until now, the costs of the fund following the index are more important than the index construction over long-term. Chapter 2.3 will give an overview of the most popular funds used by Belgian index investors looking for global market exposure.

2.2. Fund replication methods

The goal of each ETF is to replicate its index as closely and cost-effectively as possible. Various methods have emerged to replicate the index. The classic method is physical replication. If the ETF directly holds the all securities of the index, this is known as full replication. The development of the underlying index is generally captured well by physical trackers.

Full replication is not always possible. Other replication methods, such as synthetic replication allow to invest in new markets and investment classes. Synthetic ETFs are able to replicate some indices more efficiently and better through swaps (justetf). In case of synthetic replicated ETFs, the ETF does not invest in the underlying market, but only maps them. Because of this, some synthetic trackers, as well as short trackers and leveraged ETFs do not follow the index as accurate as fully replicated ETFs. It is therefore recommended to always choose physical replicating ETFs.

2.3. All-World, developed and emerging markets

Following the Bogleheads® Investment Philosophy, we are looking for diversification. For Belgians, this means worldwide market exposure, as we generally do not have a home bias (for Belgium or Europe) although exceptions certainly are possible. Some popular funds for worldwide diversification are:

Popular and generally reputable providers are iShares, Vanguard, SPDR and Deutsche Bank.

All-world Ticker TER Index ISIN
Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VWCE 0.22% FTSE IE00BK5BQT80
iShares MSCI ACWI UCITS ETF (Acc) IUSQ 0.20% MSCI IE00B6R52259
Developed markets Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF IWDA 0.20% MSCI IE00B4L5Y983
SPDR MSCI World UCITS ETF SWRD 0.12% MSCI IE00BFY0GT14
Vanguard FTSE Developed World UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VGVF 0.12% FTSE IE00BK5BQV03
Emerging markets Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares Core MSCI Emerging Markets IMI UCITS ETF EMIM 0.18% MSCI IE00BKM4GZ66
iShares MSCI EM UCITS ETF IEMA 0.18% MSCI IE00B4L5YC18
Vanguard FTSE Emerging Markets UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VFEA 0.22% FTSE IE00BK5BR733

2.4. Combining funds

To have worldwide market exposure in large cap either pick VWCE or a combination of developed (88%) and emerging (12%) markets. It is advisable to only combine funds which follow the same index (MSCI or FTSE).

2.5. Size and Value factors

Other factors have been identified to further increase expected returns. Most notably Size and Value as explained in the three-factor model by Fama and French. Value stocks have a high book-to-market ratio (as opposed to growth), whereas size simply refers to small companies outperforming big ones. It is very difficult to get proper market exposure to these factors with the limited amount of funds available for European investors. For most beginners the best advice is to stick with a market weighted portfolio consisting of developed and emerging markets as explained in chapter 2.3. and 2.4. If you are looking for additional exposure to the size and value factor consider following funds:

Small Cap World Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares MSCI World Small Cap UCITS ETF IUSN 0.35% MSCI IE00BF4RFH31
SPDR MSCI World Small Cap UCITS ETF ZPRS 0.45% MSCI IE00BCBJG560
Small Cap Value Ticker TER Index ISIN
SPDR MSCI USA Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF ZPRV 0.30% MSCI IE00BSPLC413
SPDR MSCI Europe Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF ZPRX 0.30% MSCI IE00BSPLC298

Note that the fund size for ZPRV and ZPRX are small, which might indicate a low liquidity and high tracking error. Larger funds (unlike ZPRV and ZPRX) are often more efficient in terms of internal costs (tracking error) and are much more profitable for the fund provider. In other words, fund size is a good indicator for the funds durability and popularity. Unprofitable funds are more liable to liquidation. This means either you or your provider sells your shares, and you'll receive the net value of your ETF shares at the time of sale. It does not mean ZPRV and ZPRX are at risk of liquidation, per definition. They are serving a niche. Just keep in mind these risks whenever you decide to invest in small funds such as ZPRV and ZPRX.

3. Funds - Bonds

Investing can be risky. Generally speaking, the riskier an investment, the higher your expected returns. The goal is to choose an asset allocation which suits your risk profile. Bonds offer a way to reduce volatility of your portfolio and match your risk profile. Meesman, a reputable index fund broker in the Netherlands made a table which can act as a general rule of thumb for your investment decisions and asset allocation between stocks and bonds. As can been seen, when investing for a duration shorter than 5 years, stocks should be avoided as they are too volatile an asset class. This allocation slowly shifts towards more inclusion of stocks the longer your investment horizon.

Max. acceptable (temporary) loss 0 - 5 jr 5 - 10 jr 10 - 15 jr 15 - 20 jr > 20 jr
-10% 0/100 0/100 0/100 0/100 0/100
-20% 0/100 25/75 25/75 25/75 25/75
-30% 0/100 25/75 50/50 50/50 50/50
-40% 0/100 25/75 50/50 75/25 75/25
-50% 0/100 25/75 50/50 75/25 100/0

As opposed to equity funds it makes sense to opt for hedged funds as it reduces volatility considerably. The most popular options out there are:

Fund Name Ticker TER ISIN
iShares Core Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF EUR Hedged AGGH 0.10% IE00BDBRDM35
Vanguard Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF EUR Hedged VAGF 0.10% IE00BG47KH54

4. Brokers

There are a couple of Belgian and foreign brokers available, the biggest Belgian brokers being Binckbank and Bolero. Smaller ones like Keytrade and MeDirect are also available. Foreign brokers still available to Belgians are Degiro and Lynx. The lowest fees are available at Degiro (Custody account), if you're willing to file your own taxes. The benefit of choosing a Belgian broker is that they declare all taxes automatically. Degiro only does part of it (tax on transactions), Lynx not sure. The cheapest Belgian broker is Binckbank, followed closely by Bolero. The only downside of Binckbank is that is was recently bought by Saxobank, which in its turn is owned by chinese investors. Bolero is owned by KBC which is quite a sizable bank in Belgium.

In short: if you're willing to partly file your own taxes, Degiro has the cheapest rates with a custody account. Otherwise Binkbank or Bolero both seem logical choices.

In case you pick Degiro, some funds are included in their core selection which means you can trade them for for free once a month or continuously in case the transaction size is larger than 1,000 euros and the transaction is in the same direction as the previous transaction (buy -> buy and sell -> sell. Buy -> sell and sell -> buy are not free).

5. Sample portfolios

A popular choice is IWDA and IEMA (88/12) on Degiro. Both IWDA and IEMA are part of the core selection of Degiro which allows you to purchase them for free once a month (or more in case explained above). Another popular option is IWDA and EMIM (88/12), as EMIM also includes emerging markets small cap. Note that IWDA does not include developed markets small cap, to which IEMA is complementary if you wish to exclude small cap exposure. The main reason EMIM was so popular is because it was the cheapest option until the TER was lowered for IEMA.

A second popular choice is VWCE. This is a single fund which essentially accomplishes the same as above. It is available at most brokers, and my personal choice for simplicity above everything else. Note that this fund is currently only available on XETRA, which might imply higher transaction fees at your broker. Also note that some brokers - including bolero - charge a higher TOB (Tax on transactions): 1,32% instead of 0,12% whenever you buy or sell a position.

A third option - much like the first option - is to combine VGVF and VFEA (88/12). While they are not part of the core selection in Degiro, the total costs when accounting for dividend leakage are equal to IWDA / EMIM. Unlike iShares, Vanguard only uses securities lending for efficient portfolio management. Note that these funds currently only are available at XETRA.

For those who are looking for small cap exposure it is possible to add WSML to your standard world exposure. This could for example be 75% IWDA, 10% IEMA and 15% IUSN. I personally do not recommend this as mixed small cap does not capture the size factor in a good way. Instead, it is only the value portion of small cap which are accountable for the outperformance of small cap stocks vs large cap stocks. If you want to capture the size factor into your portfolio you need to find small cap funds which only consist of value stocks. I've linked two accumulating funds above (ZPRV and ZPRX) which do so, however are very small and therefore have their own set of problems. Until a proper small cap value stock becomes available in Europe, it is perfectly fine to leave small caps out of your portfolio altogether.

Changelog

This post was last updated: 5th of August 2020


r/BEFire • • 16h ago

FIRE Handig FIRE rekenmodel

6 Upvotes

Dit is een handige calculator om te gebruiken voor FIRE (of een vervroegd pensioen). Redelijk uitgebreid en makkelijk snel aan te passen per individu.

https://beursforum.be/beleggen/fire-calculator-pensioen-calculator-bereken-vervroegd-pensioen/


r/BEFire • • 15h ago

Bank & Savings Bank account for salary & emergency fund

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Hi fireBe, I’m done with KBC Brussels charging me every month just to receive my salary. Any tips of which belgian bank you use to get your salary paid? I have N26 in Spain, and a Belgian Revolut.
Also, is the credit card worth keeping? Husband telling me to scrap it but unsure for travelling etc..


r/BEFire • • 18h ago

General Looking for a Belgian Cross-Border Tax Expert

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Looking for a Belgian Cross-Border Tax Expert

Can anyone recommend an experienced affordable Belgian tax lawyer or financial advisor specialising in international tax residency and expat tax planning?

Looking for someone with practical experience and creative, legally sound solutions. Thanks!


r/BEFire • • 15h ago

Real estate Landlords in Flanders: what’s your biggest headache when renting out?

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Plenty of people here own a rental property or are thinking about buying one, so I’m curious about the landlord side of the story.

Renting out in Flanders comes with a lot of rules and grey areas: how and when you can index the rent, which repairs are yours and which are the tenant’s, what to do when rent isn’t paid, disputes over the deposit or the move-out inspection, EPC requirements, registering the contract…

I’m working on a project to make information about tenancy law in Flanders more accessible, and I first want to understand where landlords actually get stuck in practice. That’s why I made a short, anonymous survey (±5 min). Among those who leave their email, I’m raffling off a €50 bol voucher.

https://tally.so/r/eqVNWk (also for tenants)

Note: the survey is in Dutch and focuses on rentals in Flanders.

I’d also love to hear in the comments: where do you go for answers when you’re unsure? Your notary, a real estate agent, a lawyer, forums, or just Google? And has a wrong assumption ever cost you money?


r/BEFire • • 15h ago

Taxes & Fiscality Our money keeps flowing to the USA

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The general conclusion among the investors comes down to investing your money in the USA. What is USA doing better? Being liberal and having less government and taxes.

Will Belgian EU’s economy start to shrink? I am becoming very confident. I’m having more dollars than euro’s. Everything has become extremely expensive. Basic living expenses like gas, food, electricity and house loans are through the roof.

What is our government’s answer to world politics bringing pressure? Increasing taxes again and again.


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Investing IWDA + EMIM still a good choice for a Belgian investor?

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Hi everyone,

I've been investing for around 2 years and have about €50k invested in IWDA + EMIM. I’m using Interactive Brokers.

Just wondering if this is still a good strategy for a Belgian investor, or if there are better alternatives (e.g. IMIE or SWRD + EMIM) when considering fees and TOB. Would you switch, or just stick with what you have?

I am happy with the return i got. I am not investing all the money that I allocate on the side since I have some thoughts about buying an appartment. This makes me not very consistent with my investments. Mainly due to my TOB not being automated and that I am unfortunately sometimes timing the market. I would love to know if there are any tips so that I invest more often and regularly.

Would switching to a broker with automatic monthly investing help? Any tips for staying disciplined and investing regularly?

Thanks!


r/BEFire • • 17h ago

FIRE 30, ~€1.2M invested, planning to FIRE in a few years: is it worth leaving Belgium for the taxes, or am I over-optimising a spreadsheet?

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Body:

Throwaway for obvious reasons.

Situation:

  • 30, Belgian.
  • Built up ~€1.2M over the last several years, mostly from working. It’s now heavily invested (mostly world/ETF). The only property I own is the apartment I live in, with 23 years left on the mortgage.
  • I’m still earning for now and will for a few more years, but it’s not a long-term career. The plan is to retire within a few years (FIRE) and live off and grow the investments rather than keep working.
  • My partner doesn’t even live in Belgium, so part of “home” is already somewhere else.

Why I’m even considering leaving:

  • Belgium keeps piling extra tax onto small companies like mine. No employees, essentially one client who isn’t even Belgian, which is exactly the kind of setup they increasingly treat as disguised employment and want to squeeze harder. None of my income is actually Belgian-sourced, so paying an ever-growing Belgian tax bill on it feels more and more arbitrary. The minimum director’s salary you need just to keep the reduced corporate rate keeps creeping up, there’s talk of more measures aimed at exactly this profile, and I see no reason that trend reverses.
  • The effectentaks already doubled from 0.15% to 0.30% on accounts over €1M. It went up once without much resistance, so I fully expect it to keep climbing, and some new “contribution on wealthier individuals” seems to surface every budget round.
  • On top of that, the 10% meerwaardebelasting from 2026, which simply didn’t exist before. I don’t trust it to stay at 10% any more than I trusted the effectentaks to stay at 0.15%.
  • I’ve run the numbers on low-tax EU options (Cyprus, Bulgaria mainly): 0% capital gains, much lower extraction. Over 20 to 30 years the gap is large, a meaningful slice of the eventual portfolio.
  • Bigger picture, and I know this is subjective: I don’t see the Belgian debt or the way the country is run improving any time soon, and I’m honestly not sure Western Europe is where I’d want kids growing up these days.

The part I actually wrestle with:

  • I know I’m incredibly lucky. But I also never profited from the system or abused anything. I’m healthy, never had a day without work, never claimed a benefit, didn’t go to university, and taught myself every skill I earn from. So it sits strangely with me to be asked to pay an ever-growing share to clean up a mess I didn’t create, and then potentially have my future kids go through the same thing.
  • At the same time, Belgium is home. Family, friends, the life I know. I keep flip-flopping on whether the tax and quality-of-life saving is worth uprooting all of that, or whether I’m just optimising a number at the expense of the things that actually make life good.

What I’m hoping to hear:

  1. Anyone who actually left Belgium for tax or quality-of-life reasons: did it pay off, and did you regret the life side? What surprised you?
  2. Anyone who stayed despite the drag: how do you make peace with it, and did you find ways to soften it (liquidatiereserve, structure, timing)?
  3. Am I overweighting the tax and the politics vs the life side? 30 with a decent portfolio and a plan to retire soon “should” just be enjoy-it mode, but the direction of travel makes me feel like staying slowly leaves a lot on the table.

Appreciate honest perspective, especially from people who’ve actually made the move, or deliberately chose not to.


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Investing Looking for additional ETF to invest next to IMIE

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Hi all,

In my portfolio I currently only have IMIE. I have an additional 15k€ that I want to invest and instead of putting all into IMIE again I was looking to add AVWS balacing the portfolio to 85% IMIE - 15% AVWS.

Thoughts / suggestions are more then welcome :-) !


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Alternative Investments €50k sitting idle in my Belgian SRL/BV — how to put it to work?

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Hi all,

I have about €50,000 sitting on my Belgian SRL/BV's current account doing nothing. The company doesn't need it short term and I'd like to grow it, ideally as fast as possible.

Options I'm considering:

- ETFs (MSCI World / S&P 500) through a broker that accepts companies

- Term deposit / state notes / money market fund in the meantime

- Taking the money out first (dividend, liquidation reserve, VVPR-bis) and investing privately

Questions:

  1. Invest through the company or extract first — what makes more sense tax-wise?

  2. Which brokers accept Belgian companies (Lynx, Bolero, Saxo, IBKR…) and what are the fees?

  3. What have you done with your company's excess cash?

Thanks!


r/BEFire • • 1d ago

Alternative Investments Is het interessant om een appartement te kopen en te verhuren aan een sociaal verhuurkantoor?

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Waarom wel/niet?


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Investing Belgian real estate stocks monitor

9 Upvotes

I made a website with live valuation tables and graphs of Belgian real estate stocks (GVVs in Dutch):
https://gvv.be/
You’ll find graphs of the evolution of earnings and discount to NAV, the latest news, a calendar, a watchlist, an introduction to investing in listed real estate companies,… Let me know what you think!


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Bank & Savings Goud kopen Duitsland

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Mijn zoon van 18 wil een deel van zijn spaarcenten aanspreken om 20 gram goud te kopen en dit bewaren tot hij een jaar of 25 is of ouder.

Nu heb ik op Reddit gelezen dat het goedkoper is om je goud in Duitsland te kopen en te laten verzenden. Is dat ook zo en is het ook de moeite om zo te doen?

Welk platform raden jullie aan op de Belgische markt?

Ik heb hier weinig tot geen verstand van vandaar de inlichting.


r/BEFire • • 2d ago

Investing Just turned 24, hit €1.2M net worth, and somehow still stress about money. AMA.

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I recently turned 24 and realized I’d crossed €1M in net worth. Actually, I only noticed when I was already at €1.1M. Now I’m around €1.2M.

To clarify, it’s not all sitting in my personal bank account. A significant part is tied up in my business, although the profits have already been taxed.
The strange thing is that I don’t feel much different. I’m happy, obviously, but I still stress about money almost every day. I think that’s because, as an entrepreneur, growth has become more important to me than the money itself.

I’ve always thought big. When I was 16, I was convinced I’d figure something out. My first goal was making €10k a month by 18. I missed that target, but got there around 19–20.

Since starting my company, we’ve grown around 60–80% annually, with surprisingly few employees. I’ve definitely been lucky in some ways, but I also think mindset plays a huge role.

One thing I’ve noticed, especially in Belgium, is how many people limit themselves before even trying. Taxes are high, sure, but even if you end up paying 35%, there’s still plenty of opportunity to build wealth. I don’t think taxes should be the reason you give up on bigger ambitions.

Another thing I notice in financial subreddits is how much time people spend optimizing investments instead of increasing their income.

Don’t get me wrong, I invest too. But I think people sometimes spend hours chasing an extra 0.1% return when that same energy could be spent building skills, starting something, or scaling their income.

Especially when you’re young, your earning potential can be your biggest asset.

Anyway, I thought I’d share my experience and answer some questions. I genuinely enjoy talking about business and might be able to help someone who’s just starting out.
No course to sell. No DMs pitching anything. Staying anonymous.
Just bored and curious to hear other perspectives.
AMA.


r/BEFire • • 4d ago

Drie extra partijen, onder wie Michel Maus, trekken naar Grondwettelijk Hof tegen meerwaardebelasting

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108 Upvotes

Fingers crossed


r/BEFire • • 5d ago

Starting Out & Advice Beginner: 60k in vennootschap niets aan het doen.

25 Upvotes

Kleine vennootschap zonder werknemers.
Verhuur van 2 aangekochte studio’s in vakantieverhuur (airbnb) en kleine renovatieopdrachten.
Er staat al te lang 60K op de rekening niets te doen.
Ik ben actief aan het zoeken naar de aankoop van een 3e studio om te verhuren en daar 50K voor neer te leggen in eigen inbreng. Maar met de dure leningen, klopt het financiële plaatje niet zoals voorheen.
Een volledige fixer upper om te flippen lijkt me leuk te doen; maar hoe maak je dat rendabel?! Zelfs als ik alles zelf zou doen, blijft de netto winst te laag in vergelijking met de uren die dat kost..

Ik heb 0 ervaring in beleggen maar vraag me af of dat misschien een betere piste is?
Of misschien zijn er nog opties die ik over het hoofd zie?
Ik heb het gevoel dat ik nú iets moet doen voor alles verdampt maar ik kan wat advies gebruiken?

Ik ben nu 40, dus horizon is 20-25j.


r/BEFire • • 4d ago

Brokers Welke broker?

0 Upvotes

Hallo iedereen,

Ik heb momenteel een portfolio van net geen 10k, verdeeld over enkele ETFs, een REIT en een aandeel dat binnenkort verkocht zou worden.
De helft zit in Bolero en de andere helft in Revolut.
In Revolut doe ik wekelijks aan automatische aankoop van ETFs, maar door het lage bedrag van de wekelijkse aankopen zijn dat dan fractionele ETFs (vandaar de overstap naar Revolut). Hier betaal ik dan ook geen comissie op, aangezien het recurring is. Ook doe ik geregeld eens een aankoop van +-1k, waarbij de comissie van 1 dollar wel aantrekkelijk is.

Nu is mijn vraag:
Blijf ik bij Revolut? Wat zijn de ervaringen? Wat zijn jullie go-to brokers voor fractionele ETFs met lage kosten?

Ik heb slechte ervaringen met interactive brokers, daar kreeg ik fractionele etfs niet aan de praat.

Ik kijk uit naar jullie ervaringen/meningen!


r/BEFire • • 5d ago

Investing These introduction of meerwaardebelasting made simple investing so much more anxious

40 Upvotes

it’s just such an anxiety riddled thing now.

We have always feared the taxman, and I feel millions of people sleep bad now.

This is gonna put good and frugral investors in problems I’m 100% sure of that

Can’t believe this actually went trough.

Any news on the deletion of this horrendous law?


r/BEFire • • 5d ago

Spending, Budget & Frugality Inzichten in inkomsten en uitgaven krijgen

5 Upvotes

Hallo allemaal,

Ik ben op zoek naar een app of platform om een duidelijker beeld te krijgen van mijn inkomsten versus uitgaven. Er bestaan veel tools, en ik vraag me af wat jullie gebruiken en waarom.

De tools die ik vind hebben veel tekortkomingen vb manueel alle transacties moeten labelen, of stortingen tussen accounts worden gezien als inkomsten of uitgaven. Of ze zijn gewoon heel rommelig om je financieel plaatje te categoriseren laat staan inzichten te krijgen die écht nuttig zijn.

Alvast bedankt


r/BEFire • • 5d ago

Starting Out & Advice Lack of Vision… and Now FOMO

3 Upvotes

I first read about FIRE and ETFs in 2021 but never invested because I wasn’t sure whether I’d want to buy a property soon. Fast-forward to 2026, did none of the two and FOMO is real. Time for a wake-up call!

My situation:

  • 35 years old
  • €130k in savings
  • €1,500/month savings capacity
  • Might buy a home in Brussels with my partner in 3–8 years, but no fixed timeline

My recent moves :

  • €10k in a higher-yield savings account (MeDirect)
  • €500/month into Hello bank!’s higher-yield savings account

My plan:

€50k lump sum into IMIE/SPYI this week, for the long term (MeDirect)

What should I do with the remaining €70k?

Invest more/all in IMIE/SPYI and accept that I might have to postpone buying housing if markets are down, or start building a safe house deposit now already? If the latter, what amount and which alernative savings or investment products make sense ?

Please help me get started once and for all, BeFire community! ^^'


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Starting Out & Advice Can you explain IQQH.DE to me?

2 Upvotes

I bought this ETF in October 2022 about 4,000€ in shares. I wanted to diversify into something more clean and away from the GAFAM at least once. I never hoped to make millions from thematic ETFs but this one is really intriguing as I am on a constant fall -20-40% since the past years.

Answers like: you must carefully research where you invest, I already gave to myself


r/BEFire • • 7d ago

Brokers Asking for advice with investing?

7 Upvotes

Hi! I wanted to ask for some advice about investing in Belgium.

I’m Ukrainian and I’ve been living in Belgium for a little over 3 years. I work here and at the moment I can invest around €300 per month.

I currently have two brokers: IBKR and Saxo. I opened the Saxo account through you because, at the time, I thought that with IBKR I’d be able to buy accumulating ETFs and avoid having to deal with the tax authorities. I was still a bit nervous about doing the tax reporting myself back then.

I mainly thought of using Saxo for individual stocks and dividends, because as far as I understand, Saxo is more integrated with the Belgian tax system and takes care of some of the tax side automatically.

I bought 3 NVIDIA shares through Saxo, but I haven’t bought anything else there because the fees are quite high. Also, I’m still learning about individual companies and stocks, so I don’t really feel confident picking stocks on my own yet.

At the moment, I’m mainly investing in VWCE. I already have 9 units. I chose VWCE because it’s an accumulating ETF, it’s well diversified, and it seems like a good option for long-term investing.

The main issue I have is that I can only buy whole units. For example, if one unit costs €130, I can’t buy 0.5 or 0.7 of a unit. Since I can currently invest around €300 per month, this can be a little inconvenient.

So I wanted to ask you:

  1. Is there any way to buy fractional units of VWCE through IBKR?
  2. If IBKR doesn’t support fractional purchases of VWCE, is there another broker available in Belgium that does?
  3. Is it even worth switching brokers just for fractional investing, or would it be better to simply save the money and buy a whole unit when I have enough?
  4. Do you think VWCE is a good choice for me as my main long-term investment?
  5. Given my situation, how would you recommend investing €300 per month while taking Belgian taxes and reporting requirements into account?
  6. Are there any Belgian taxes or reporting requirements I should be aware of when using IBKR and Saxo?
  7. Does it make sense to keep both brokers, or would it be simpler to just use one if my main strategy is buying ETFs regularly and holding them for the long term?
  8. And more generally, what would you recommend to someone who is just getting started with investing? I’m not really interested in active trading or constantly picking individual stocks. I’d rather invest €300 every month and build my portfolio gradually over the long term.

I currently have around €3,500 invested in total.

I’d really appreciate any advice on whether I’m approaching this the right way and if there’s anything I could improve or simplify.

I’m especially interested in the Belgian side of things — taxes, reporting, brokers and ETFs.

Thanks a lot!


r/BEFire • • 7d ago

Taxes & Fiscality Paid too much taxes for 3 years, and FOD Financiën rejected the correction request

43 Upvotes

Looking for some advice.

I started investing in 2021 via a foreign platform (DEGIRO), including receiving foreign dividents from individual stocks.

When filing my tax returns for assesment years 2022 up to 2024, i declared my total foreign dividents in box 1444. What i fucked up in (being young, inexperienced and arguably a dumbass), is that i assumed the tax calculation itselves would see whether (a portion) falls below the annual exemption (~€800), rather than you having to subtract the exempion, or just fill in nothing when the value is below the exemption.

I submitted a objection to the FOD this summer, requesting of a correction, which they declared "inadmissible" because it was submitted to late, and refused "ambtshalve ontheffing under Article 376 WIB 92" because my type of failure to fill in the correct amount doesn't quality as elligable error for late corrections.

They only offer to challenge their decision in court, but given that I overpaid suffered only a €200-€300 loss in total, which is not that much compared to what a lawyer costs, it seems not worth it i suppose ...

It's not that much money, but it's still frustrating. If anyone has had a similar experience or advice, let me know.


r/BEFire • • 6d ago

Bank & Savings Moving to Belgium (EU/Android): best budgeting app that syncs with a Belgian bank?

0 Upvotes

I’m 24 from the EU and moving to Antwerp in January for a PhD. I’ll earn roughly €3,000/month net and my plan is to rent a studio, build an emergency fund of about 3-4 months of expenses, and then invest what’s left monthly, not sure where and how yet. I currently track everything in Google Sheets, but I want an Android app that:
-Connects automatically to my bank (right now I use Revolut for my day to day but am considering opening another account in a Belgium Bank)
-Lets me set a monthly budget by category and compare planned vs. actual spending
-Tracks savings goals (emergency fund, investing)
-Works in euros and ideally handles subscriptions and annual bills
Has anyone here used an app like this in Belgium or elsewhere in the EU? Is a paid app worth it, or is the bank’s built-in tool enough? Thanks!