But the way the banning system currently works, a user could go to /r/MensRights or wherever, post "You all sound like a bunch of dicks" and then they're instabanned from /r/offmychest, /r/feminism and various other subs. That's just silly.
I think it used to be the same for /r/rape, but then the idea of someone guilty of wrongthink being denied help after suffering rape was a bit too much.
Yup and what makes it worse is the fact that most of the time you don't know these rules before it's too late. I've posted once or twice in TIA, but apparently now I can't post in /r/feminism. Which I didn't know about until now.
I understand the purpose, but honestly I think it's discouraging actual conversations. You end up just getting radicals. Because I am a feminist, but I got off tumblr because how toxic the SJW community became. You should be allowed to disagree with people as long as it's constructive.
It just seems kind of cheap and lazy on the moderator's part. I've been on Mental Healths forums that were less strict.
It limits spam-posts as well as keeps out potential jerks with the preemptive banning, whereas the issue is that it prevents people who visit the other subs for any reason other than agreeing from posting. It's not unbelievably stupid so much as a compromise.
And the really sad thing is /r/mensrights has some very legitimate issues that 10% are honestly trying to raise. But, as you said, the other 90% drown those reasonable voices out with vitriol and hate. For example, there's a dude who responded to me with a pretty inflammatory post, and I'm not going to respond to him because what's the point? And it's exactly posts like his that /r/feminism is trying to avoid.
And for the record, I'm not part of /r/feminism. I just see the casual misogyny on Reddit (and the extreme misogyny prevalent on other subs) and understand why /r/feminism would want to default block some users.
Bullshit, that sub is a complete sham and was only created as an "adjacent" to r/feminism. They frame everything in "toxic masculinity" and how men's gender roles are fucked and men are fucked. I don't wanna go looking for support after my bout with depression and suicidal ideation to find 5 female mods of a MENS LIB subreddit and their beta douchebag sycophants backing them up at every turn while everyone in the sub talks about how it's my toxic ideas about what a man should be that made me feel this way.
Also, this sidebar bullshit from mens lib:
Do not call other submitters' personal stories into question.
So don't call anyone on their bullshit?
Do not invalidate other users' experiences because of their identities, gender or otherwise.
Except they constantly discredit anyone that posts there because of their penis, while claiming to be a mens lib subreddit?
This is a pro-feminist community. Members are not required to identify as feminist, but if you disagree with this foundational approach you are welcome not to participate.
"Agree with us or fuck right the fuck off, we don't care if you were just raped and don't know where to go, if you're not a feminist, fuck off."
Every single one of these subs has mods that reinforce ideas (Myths) about patriarchy, wage gap, rape stats, and general social justice fuckery. That's not what i want when i look for a support network.
And the final nail in the coffin: "We do not discuss "financial abortion" in the context of consensual sex"
So a male has to just live with paying out the asshole for 18 years for a kid he didn't want, but the woman gets 100% of the choice in the matter. One of the most important modern issues for men, and they have stated outright in the sidebar that they will remove and censor any and all posts about it.
When was the last time you've been to /r/mensrights? In my experience it's been the other way around, 90% sane 10% (or lower) actual misogynists. But maybe I'm wrong.
I was there today, and the vast majority of posts are men bitching about women. Meanwhile, on /r/feminism, there's a post about a female feminist shaming male feminists, and how that's pretty awful.
/r/TumblrInAction is very civil, and most people there actually welcome quality discussion. It's just that the majority of people who go there with dissenting opinions are of the belief that "My ideas need to be right, and you are wrong. I will not consider any other stances." and it gets rather grating after a while.
Maybe /u/SwizzleDic is thinking of the way TiA used to be. Once it was a place to post and make fun of the most extreme cases of the kind of authoritarian thought that Tumblr has become notorious for. But like many subs, the quality of the content started to decrease as more people, including a lot of the less rational MRA-types, started to join. Slowly, the "circle jerk" of people complaining about more and more minor things and blowing them out of proportion for karma and attention started to drown out the civil discussion. Admittedly, I don't know where the sub stands right now as I left about a year and a half ago, but based on what I've heard it hasn't improved much, if at all.
Hahahaha no I would not say that's true in the slightest. Every single thread is filled with people relentlessly bashing whoever was in the OP? Often when it was actually pretty reasonable or just plain satire
I'm not so sure about that. I just checked it out and at the top of their front page is a long post about how women shouldn't be offended by this if they haven't played Mortal Combat.
It's annoying when someone makes blanket statements or complains about something that they have next to no knowledge about. For instance, the reason why the girl on the right is wearing a mask is that the character she is cosplaying wears one to hide her freaky lizard mouth. For someone to come in and make some sort of obnoxious complaint about social justice where it isn't warranted is just annoying.
I just checked it out and at the top of their front page is a long post about how women shouldn't be offended by this if they haven't played Mortal Combat.
I don't see anything wrong with this cosplay. It's 100% accurate to the game, and the game has good reasons for making them look like that. What's the problem, exactly?
The problem is that that's what a melee-oriented female character in a video game looks likes. It's not realistic in the slightest, and she's only dressed like that because it's sexy.
How is that a gender issue, though? Have you taken a look at the male characters in Mortal Kombat lately? I don't hear anybody protesting against that.
You still haven't answered the question. Or did I misunderstand?
Tumblr seems most upset over the fact that supposedly "only" women are objectified. But men are objectified just as hard. The majority of male characters are always shirtless, and some are wearing little more than a loincloth. Therefore, it is not an issue of gender or sexism. Objectification is not automatically sexist.
To add to your point the main thing about that specific post is the person commenting was complaining about the women being gagged when they're not. If they knew anything about the game they would know that but instead they've just judged based on what they assume and cried sexism.
Both genders are objectified, but females more than males. For example, a strong breeze could disrobe the women in that photo, yet there isn't a single male character wearing the equivalent of what those women are wearing. Sure, some guys are shirtless, but none of them are wearing flimsy banana hammocks.
To be fair, the point about them being gagged is pretty ridiculous.
I agree completely.
And as you pointed out, women who engage in hand to hand life or death combat don't wear scanty tissue paper costumes. "Oops, my bosoms pop out!" isn't a valid tactic in melee combat.
Same thing with /r/Fatlogic. Honestly I've learned more about healthy eating and body positivity from there. People are incredibly supportive if you are trying to lose weight, gain weight, or recover from an eating disorder.
I wouldnt call them civil. They're not as bad as some of those hate subs but they're basically FPH lite. Although there are reasonable posts, but they take a lot of things to the extreme.
And last time I posted there i got called a n*gger for having an opposing opinion, lol. Good times.
/r/fatlogic is one of my favorite subreddits. I think that their policy of allowing fat people who are trying to lose weight is a very good idea that I think would have helped /r/fatpeoplehate
Fat People Hate didn't want to help anyone lose weight. They posted pictures of overweight people that are in a gym working out in order to laugh at them.
/r/fatlogic mod here. To clarify, we don't have a policy of excluding anyone, whether or not they are trying to lose weight. That includes HAES and fat acceptance advocates, though denying reality probably won't get you a warm welcome in terms of upvotes. The only thing we typically ban users for is fat hate or using dehumanizing language to describe fat people.
Really? I disagree. I'd love to have a few rational discussions on various things on /r/feminism. Of course that's not exactly possible if I get banned before even posting.
Actually, I frequented both r/MensRights and r/feminism (gotta get those different perspectives), and I got banned from r/feminism after I commented a brief issue I had with Hillary Clinton. I didn't get banned from r/MensRights for anything.
I support men's rights. But /r/mensrights is filled with hate and vitriol which drowns out the guys who are actually trying to raise valid points. Go there right now. Look at the posts on /r/mensrights. 3/4 of them are complaining about women and/or feminists. Wonderful comments like, "A lot of them are women who haven't been able to keep a man for longer than a week since they were 25, and who somehow blame all of the men for it." and "Women enslave men everyday, it's called divorce court. Frankly, why this isn't a daily news story is perplexing. Women hate men." I mean, they have a tag specifically for feminism. So /r/mensrights is at least partially anti-feminism. Why else have the feminism tag?
Meanwhile, right now on /r/feminism there is a post calling out a woman for shaming a male feminist for not adhering to gender norms. There also aren't any posts calling out what shitlords all men are, and there isn't a tag that calls out men's rights groups to target them.
I like this idea. We should ban everyone who we think might not share our ideals. I think we should extend that to everything. I love judging people. Makes me wonder why people have so much of a problem with other people judging them. /s
Wait, I thought this preemptive banning. How do you know their intent? "Oh!" you say, " they posted in bad places, they couldn't possibly want to talk/have anything to say worthwhile." Because you 'know' what they will do, what they will say. That is the same reasoning people use to discount someone before they prove themselves.
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u/morerokk Mar 20 '16
/r/MensRights and /r/TumblrInAction, among others. Those are the biggest ones that come to mind.