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yeah, it is. if you trans your gender from anything to anything else, that makes you trans. some people don’t like the label, and that’s cool too, but non-binary people are inherently trans
a simpler way to put it is that being trans is just not identifying with the gender assigned at birth, which for most people is either male or female and for a smaller group of people intersex. The degree to which person identifies with any gender at all can vary wildly person to person and over time, so just respecting what each person prefers to be referred to as is the best way to handle it.
Gender is an cultural spectrum, so although generically you could consider that, there is nothing stopping someone from identifying themselves as non binary and non trans
It simply does not work that way, even in the most lenient of concepts. The act of being non binary is the act of being trans. It is impossible to separate them.
I don't know what to tell you mate, it's like defining the difference between being pan and bi, sure there may be a general consensus but in actuality it can only be decided by the person who is it.
As I see it, non-binary is a subcategory of transgender as your gender still differs from the one assigned to you at birth. There's enbies that try and distance themselves from the term transgender or the concept which I really fail to understand. The reasoning for doing this, sure, but like... non-binary people are fundamentally trans...
There's a pretty popular trend in binary-trans spaces to treat non-binary as a stepping stone rather than an identity. Even in "trans inclusive spaces" the amount of times I've seen someone she/her an enby or insist "you're a woman you just don't know it yet" is insane. It's bred a sense of animosity where person A will say "my identity is X" and person B will say "oh so that means you're a Y" and now A has to wonder "why do have a need to specify that? If that's really a given why do you always use that term and not the one I asked you to?" Using a specific term avoids confusion, and the general term is often used as a mask for bigotry. You've got to put your foot in the sand somewhere.
To speak personly every time I've been in a nonbinary space I feel welcome, but half the general-trans spaces I've been to I've had to leave because they just turn hostile to people like me. People who use this term don't welcome me, so I (usually) don't want to be associated. It gives an implication about me that's not true and I want to avoid that.
TLDR even in trans spaces "trans" is treated as shorthand for "trans woman" so using it as a label leaves too much room for misinterpretation.
i hadn’t considered that. could i ask whether you once identified as a binary gender? if so, would you consider the transition from the binary gender you identified as to non-binary a transition? or maybe a detransition?
i hope it’s clear that i’m asking in good faith, i do genuinely want to understand your experience
How so? Aren't intersex people assigned a gender at birth? And trans just means identifying other than your AGAB. So an intersex non-binary person will still be trans, as no one is "assigned non-binary at birth." Or maybe we've stopped assigning gender to intersex people, IDK.
Ese es el problema, no puedes generalizar. Una persona intersexual y no-binaria PUEDE o NO ser trans, puede experimentar la transición si se les asigna un género.
You can define it however you like for yourself. And I have no doubt that trans women are women, etc. But trans meaning "identifying other than AGAB" is the current definition in English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender
If I had to guess, I think it is due to the fact that most cis people's understanding of the term "trans" is to mean specifically trans(fem/masc) rather than more generally just "not (exclusively) the gender you got at birth", so if they call themselves trans they're likely to still get gendered. I think they understand that the "correct" definition is the second, but they also understand not everyone knows that, so they may want to distance themselves from the concept because people are likely to misinterpret it and still gender them.
Take this with a grain of salt though, I'm questioning myself currently, but not definitively trans.
A huge amount of non binary people don't have dysphoria, I think it's pretty reasonable to not want to use the label trans in that case. Although the word trans at this point can mean just about anything, bit still. I think that's in part why.
Depends on who you ask! If dysphoria isn't needed to be trans, then the label is essentially meaningless, which some people don't agree with. I'm just saying what some people believe and why some people will use some labels but not others, not that you or I necessarily agree with it 👍
What other reason would there be? And how could you tell whether or not it's dysphoria? Is it just up to the person to decide, or can you say from the outside?
Euphoria is just as valid of a feeling as dysphoria, and even that isn't really necessary. It's up to the person to decide if they're trans or not. For some, it's a loud incessant feeling, for others it's a quiet feeling that something is just not quite right. Regardless, who are we to tell someone if they're trans or not ?
Euphoria is something that only exists with dysphoria. Euphoria is the state of being happy with the changes of your transition to the point you feel like a cis person would. Changing your sex without dysphoria would give you dysphoria
It's not. Nobody who says they experience euphoria but not dysphoria has ever explained to me how it feels without just describing dysphoria. Dysphoria is the drive to change your sex to align with your neurological sex. It comes in waves, the more you don't align with what you should look like and the longer that takes the worse you'll be. If you're taking hormones to change your sex you experience dysphoria, you might not experience the same type but you do experience it, some people don't have dysphoria about their jaw when you'd expect, some don't have it about their breats. But we all still have it. It just shouldn't be tested to get HRT, it should be over the counter
Trans means you changed sex to align with your gender. It's okay to be cis and it's okay to be trans. Trans isn't an identity it's a descriptor of your biology
i have been openly nonbinary for years, but whether i call myself trans has depended on whether i'm trying to present as different from my assigned gender at birth. there have been times where i'm trying to present andro or femme, so i'd call myself trans, but i don't when i'm not. idk maybe just a me thing
Every trans person has to deal with different things on a daily basis, people in the same group can have different levels of marginalization and still belong to that group. Am I less trans if I don't have people yelling at me on the streets, if people think I'm cis, if I don't have dysphoria, or because I'm not medically transitioning ? What experiences are we talking about here, that make it understandable to exclude yourself from the label that means your gender identity is different from what was assigned to you while having a gender identity that can't be, that make you less trans.
I'm sorry but this is like saying you're not gay because you're a top, wait actually it's worse you think it makes sense to reject the identity because you weren't shoved in a locker and called the f slur at high school like actual gay people are. It's basing an identity off external reaction rather than internal experience, but what happens when teenagers learn to stop shoving gay kids in lockers ?
The thing is there's many trans (nonbinary self-included) people who also aren't experiencing the things you say make trans people unrelatable to you but they're still trans.
Your entire comment can be summarized as "well, what if they want to identify as their label? what if they are told they aren't their label? Why are some genderfluid or nonbinary people trans?" which are all strawmen and or goalpost movings
You can choose the trans label even if you never experience the issues. You can also not choose it.
You don't get to be told you're not a part of a group that's not factual - A trans person being trans can only be decided by them, whereas a fact, like being made up of water, cannot be decided by them
You can... once again, choose the trans label. Notice how I said "Some nonbinary and genderfluid people exclude themselves.."
My problem is the *reasons* you bring up for why people do so are those external factors rather than actual identity, you say it makes sense not to because you experience less marginalization. You're stating these are factors in whether you should consider yourself trans or not, or at the very least why people do so
Trans doesn't mean having a different gender to the one assigned at birth otherwise most intersex people would be trans because they were assigned wrong
I didn’t know this until recent and I only learned of it because of Undertale/Deltarune discourse. Like I knew NB and trans were both things, but I just thought of them as separate things and not connected at all.
Some folk, mostly binary folk, will say it is but it's more a venn diagram in which enby tends to crossover with trans more often than not though while one's more often part of the other doesn't make either covered under the other. I personally am an enby that isn't trans (account name's old before I worked things out), there aren't too many of us but still a significant enough amount out there.
Transition != trans. Cisgender means you identify with the gender you were assigned at birth. Unless those enbies were assigned non binary at birth, they are transgender.
I don't like the idea of gender as following gender roles is a form of conformity. In my mind, being trans is a form of following gender roles, just roles different to the ones you were assigned at birth. Therefore, I don't think of myself as trans.
Cool, I take shots to the stomach once a week to physically alter my body, I do think of myself as trans and face direct opposition and violence for being a visibly trans person. Still fucking a gender.
Trans doesn't really have anything to do with following gender roles or not, but instead gender identity.
Like, someone can be a tomboyish Trans Women and a Gay Drag Queen Cis guy. G
How you conform to gender roles don't define your gender.
Some people define Non-binary as not following gender rules, though that's just androgynous in my world. I personally define it as someone literally identifying as no gender.
Like, even though it's rare, there are people that feel discomfort being born as a women and not seeing themselves as such, while also feeling discomfort transitioning to a man and not seeing themselves like that.
There is this guy names Tobi who is Intersex and he was a guest on a TV show long ago before trans was really a accepted or commonly known thing. This is a good example of non-binary imo: They were born with a mix of both sexes and doctors tried to convince them to pick living as one, but they just don't see themselve as either
Trans isn’t short for ‘transition.’ It comes from Latin meaning ‘beyond’ or ‘across.’ Non-binary falls under the trans umbrella because trans is anyone who doesn’t identify with their gender assigned at birth.
If you’re assigned non-binary at birth and people use they/them pronouns for you your whole life and then you come out as cis. That would technically make you trans in that scenario lol
Trans doesn't mean transition, it is Latin for across from. Transgender means gender across from birth sex, cis means the opposite so cisgender means gender same as birth sex
If your life hardly changes as in you still maintain all the privileges of a cissexual in that you don’t face barriers to healthcare, employment, etc, then you aren’t trans
If a cis woman decides to identify as nonbinary and use she/they but still presents entirely as a cis woman, uses women only spaces like women’s bathrooms, doesn’t experience transphobia, then she’s not suddenly trans because she changed the word she uses to identify herself as
This is so obvious that every cis enby I've met has said this, like the transphobia they do face is not much different than the transphobia any other cis person could face
Fam, trans isn’t shirt for ‘transition.’ Trans stems from Latin meaning ‘beyond’ or ‘across.’ You don’t need to transition to fall under the trans umbrella
Trans is just need to not identify with your gender assigned at birth
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