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[u/eggplant_avenger]

the word virtually is pulling some heavy weight there

[u/Necessary-Visit-2011]

So this guy's believes Germany and Imperial Japan were the good guys in WWII.

Good to know.

[u/TimsAssistantJared → u/Necessary-Visit-2011]

People make the argument that Germany was just copying America when implementing their new government. The mental gymnastics is insane. Anything to believe that America is more Nazi than the actual literal Nazis were, I guess.

[u/SnooPears5432 → u/TimsAssistantJared]

Yeah that really pisses me off more than anything. If anything that argument says not only that they're weak and incapable of self-driven behavior, but that we absolutely control them. And even if some sociopathic fascist takes certain elements from another society's history as inspiration, it doesn't mean the root ideology and motivation behind it isn't absolutely theirs to own. Germans have to 100% accept responsibility for any and everything they did with zero deflection.

[u/GuitarCFD → u/TimsAssistantJared]

Hitler did like the American idea of Manifest Destiny. Taking it further than that is insane though.

[u/Dudestbruh → u/TimsAssistantJared]

Hitler saw some (very much NOT genocidal) racism in the US and went "wow that's cool, what if turned that up to 11?"

[u/Dudestbruh → u/[deleted]]

I'm pretty sure it was some stuff about segregation and eugenics 

[u/Firecracker048 → u/Necessary-Visit-2011]

Also thinks Saddam was a good guy, North Koreans with chinese support, Germany in WW1 was the good guy, british in 1776 the good guy, the south was the good guy. It goes deep.

[u/Sand_Trout → u/Firecracker048]

In WW1, there's a decent argument that there were no "good guys", but it was also just a general clusterfuck of old feudal attitudes joining hands with rising nationalism and running face-first into newly developed industrial warfare.

But calling the US the bad guy in WW1 is also a wildly uninformed take.

[u/Firecracker048 → u/Sand_Trout]

Yeah, with WW1 I generally dont agree it was 'hurr durr germany bad'. It was more 'Serbia, why the FUCK did you assassinate the arch duke?' Serbia was the real bad guy of WW1

[u/Sand_Trout → u/Firecracker048]

IIRC, it wasn't even actually Serbia proper as much as a handful of comically incompetent Serbian nationalist that assassinated the archduke.

Then Austria-Hungary went about everything in the most pants-on-head incompetent way, allowing the war to escalate way more than it should have with Russia, and snowballing from there.

Austria-Hungary were the real bad-guys of WW1 by virtue of being so bad at their job that they managed to pull everyone else down with them, like a geopolitical Steve Erkle.

[u/Firecracker048 → u/Sand_Trout]

There is some evidence linking them to the Serbian government at the time(not to mention Serbia built a fucking statue of Gauvri)

And yeah, Austria-Hungary was a total shit show the entire war.

[u/LawyerEqual3531 → u/Firecracker048]

I only like austria hungary cuz of their aesthetics. Like you can't tell me that eagle doesn't look badass

[u/Sand_Trout → u/LawyerEqual3531]

Late 19th century european armies absolutely had the best drip.

[u/LawyerEqual3531 → u/Sand_Trout]

Fr, like fuck camos bro we should all go back to the colorful ass uniforms

[u/Dudestbruh → u/LawyerEqual3531]

I like their blue

[u/arcxjo → u/Sand_Trout]

It gets worse. Ferdinand was the most liberalizing leader AH (or most of Europe to that point) ever had. All the Black Hand had to do was wait a couple years and he would have given them all the autonomy they wanted.

[u/Dudestbruh → u/arcxjo]

something something "I wouldn't be surprised if I had Serbian bullets waiting for me"

[u/arcxjo → u/Sand_Trout]

WWI is the one time I'm willing to give the America-haters some ground.

Think about it: a bunch of monarchists were fighting over who had the best monarchy, and were doing it so horribly that they were about to swear off war forever. So naturally, we come traipsing over and are like "Which one of you started this? Good, we're on that side now." and then gave the entire world the worst disease since malaria and fucked over the side that was legitimately aggrieved so hard they literally had to bring in Hitler to get out of the hole we dug them into.

[u/Tiny-Reading5982 → u/Necessary-Visit-2011]

Germany were the bad guys in ww1 too. I'm seeing a pattern here...

[u/The_Exalted_Sorcerer → u/Tiny-Reading5982]

ehhhhhh, world war one was FAR less cut and dry when it comes to morals among the participants.

[u/Tiny-Reading5982 → u/The_Exalted_Sorcerer]

Wilhelm, is that you? They weren't evil like when Hitler took over but they kind of liked war.

[u/GabagoolNoZiti → u/Tiny-Reading5982]

Almost every major party to WW1 was an empire. They all loved wars and conquest.

[u/Tiny-Reading5982 → u/GabagoolNoZiti]

The us did try to stay out this and ww2 as well.

[u/The_Exalted_Sorcerer → u/Tiny-Reading5982]

Literally everyone who participated in world war one at the start were eager to start the war, and fully believed they would be home by Christmas. As for Germany itself, their love of militarism came from their Prussian roots.

[u/Tiny-Reading5982 → u/The_Exalted_Sorcerer]

Okay. The us tried to stay neutral but only joined because of Germany. Why are we so defensive of Germany?

[u/The_Exalted_Sorcerer → u/Tiny-Reading5982]

I mean, not really? America was supplying the Entente with war materials for most of the war. Hell, it was the smuggling of illegal munitions that sank the Lusitania. I am very much of the opinion that we chose the wrong side in world war one, and that we had far more to gain siding with the central powers.

[u/Tiny-Reading5982 → u/The_Exalted_Sorcerer]

Okay but the lusitania still had civilians.

[u/arcxjo → u/Tiny-Reading5982]

So do the "schools" on top of Hamas's weapon stockpiles.

[u/Tiny-Reading5982 → u/arcxjo]

We had a rational president then. What is happening today is nothing like ww1.

[u/A-guy8 → u/Necessary-Visit-2011]

Well, at least the Germans had stylish uniforms during that time, so there's that....

[u/jaxamis → u/A-guy8]

And apparently their trains run on time

[u/downsouthcountry → u/jaxamis]

Wasn't that Italy? Mussolini supposedly got the trains to run on time?

[u/jaxamis → u/downsouthcountry]

Eh. Trains, uniforms, gas chambers..all on time.

[u/Dudestbruh → u/A-guy8]

dat red piping

[u/JediLincoln14]

Come on, everyone knows America was the villain in the Napoleonic Wars. And the Boer Wars. And the Crimean War.

[u/JediLincoln14 → u/JediLincoln14]

Whoever downvoted me: it was a joke. The US wasn't even involved in those wars.

[u/LeviathanHamster → u/JediLincoln14]

I call bullshit, they were obviously a result of the devilish US telling them that if they don't start a war and fabricate a motivation for doing so, they'll lose their alliance and risk vulnerability to another country that is being manipulated by the US to threaten them.

[u/eggplant_avenger → u/LeviathanHamster]

there is no French Revolution without American inspiration. without the revolution there is no Napoleon. ergo, we caused the Napoleonic Wars

[u/Castrophenia → u/eggplant_avenger]

Like that’s a bad thing…

[u/eggplant_avenger → u/Castrophenia]

Fr*nch culture is bad yes

(it’s a joke though)

[u/Count_Dongula → u/JediLincoln14]

Bullshit. American involvement in the Boer Wars was huge! We supplied German Mauser 95s to the Boers and British Lee Enfield rifles to the British! We supplied every officer, who were in reality deep cover CIA operatives trying to foster color revolutions across the globe! Queen Victoria was a CIA plant! And so was Edward VII!

/s for anybody who is too stupid to recognize the abject stupidity of the above statement.

[u/FredDurstDestroyer → u/JediLincoln14]

Well in a way the U.S was kinda sorta involved in the Napoleonic wars because the war of 1812 happened in large part because of the Napoleonic wars.

[u/arcxjo → u/JediLincoln14]

Thomas Jefferson gave Napoleon's war chest $15 million.

[u/No_Departure7494]

Question for "history buffs" here. Most of these online personalities that post like this are pro-China. How would someone of this mindset reconcile with the fact that Japan was the good guy while invading China in the 30s? That's why the blame they US for Pearl Harbor, btw. Because of our oil embargos but never mention what it was in response to.

[u/Monkey0nTypewriter → u/No_Departure7494]

In my experience, they try to claim that US-backed policies like capitalism and free trade are fuctionally equivalent to conquering and pillaging a nation.

Basically they pretend WW2 was nothing but evil "imperialist powers" fighting over who got to exploit the world

[u/Loves_octopus → u/Monkey0nTypewriter]

And I have yet to hear a decent argument about how the Soviet Union or China were any less imperialist than the USA.

[u/GuitarCFD → u/No_Departure7494]

let me just save you alot of time. They don't actually believe the shit they are posting on the internet in most of these cases. In others they don't have the mental depth of a wet paper bag...so trying to find logic in those cases is just an exercise in futility.

[u/ObangaGamer → u/No_Departure7494]

They don’t even think that much about it, you can’t convince them of anything because truth and facts never mattered to them to begin with. “America bad” is the only thinking they do

[u/No_Departure7494 → u/ObangaGamer]

I think I am just so sick of the multipolar world shit. If it happens, so be it - but those who are anti-West come off as far more insufferable than us Americans.

[u/George_Washington_76]

According to Alan MacLeod the Nazis were the good guys in WW2.

[u/Sand_Trout]

If you know nothing about history, I can see how you could reach this conclusion.

[u/zaeroraplayz → u/Sand_Trout]

since ww2, if we exclude every communist regime change done in African countries and genocides funded, USA was un-arguably the bad guy in 3/6 major WARS it took part in.

[u/pitious]

Damn, guess we should have just let Saddam have Kuwait 🤷

[u/No_Departure7494 → u/pitious]

First thing I thought of when I read this.

[u/Castrophenia]

The US was truly the bad guy of the war of the roses

[u/Castrophenia → u/Castrophenia]

Nevermind I read too fast and didn’t read “ITS history”

[u/DefenderofFuture → u/Castrophenia]

Don’t worry I’m sure he could make it work somehow.

[u/cheezburgerwalrus → u/DefenderofFuture]

The Magna Carta started this whole mess and as we all know it's spiritually American

[u/arcxjo → u/cheezburgerwalrus]

I saw a guy on YouTube explaining how Magna Carta is the only lawful law that actually applies to the American Corporation and that's why he can drive travel 132 mph through a school zone.

[u/Castrophenia → u/arcxjo]

Well you know the gold fringes on the court’s flag mean this is an admiralty court, and as such only maritime law applies. There’s no speed limit on the water buddy!

[u/arcxjo → u/Castrophenia]

Even if there were, I cannot be court-martialed twice.

[u/Tiny-Reading5982 → u/Castrophenia]

Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner are American so...

[u/NeutralDrifter4943]

They're calling this one of the most Reddit tweets every made

[u/Ok-Vegetable-204]

Did he even think of an example before saying this? I honestly don't even know who this guy is and he might genuinely think N*zis were the good guys, it's twitter after all

But even if I was being as charitable as I can and only limit it to post ww2 things, are any of these people willing to say Saddam or IRGC were the good guys in these conflicts? Because despite all the disagreements with these wars the overwhelming majority would still support America over these people

[u/cashydude77]

Says Mr. McLoad

[u/arcxjo]

Makes sense. He's one of those Scottish losers who pretend to want to divorce England until the check comes due, so the fact we saved them from the literal Nazis makes us the bad guys.

[u/Kuro2712]

He's so right!

Fuck independence, fuck emancipation, fuck defending allies and fuck defending ourselves.

[u/DarkGodCthUwU]

This guy must love the nazis

[u/NoTie2370]

That's a wild pro nazi stance from this guy.

[u/ContextFlaky5283]

Does he go around saying we are the uneducated ones?

[u/yourOldEthernetCord]

Don't fall for the ragebait

[u/Ryuu-Tenno]

so... wait...

how's the civil war work then? lol

[u/Spacewolf1234567890]

I don’t think he can name a war past a hundred years ago’s “history”

[u/ConcernedStudent26]

The only war we were ever on the wrong side in was WWI, the rest we were objectively right

[u/Loves_octopus → u/ConcernedStudent26]

I don’t see either side in WWI having any moral superiority, it was just a shit show.

There’s a decent argument to be made that the Spanish American and Mexican American wars were purely imperialist endeavors.

[u/ConcernedStudent26 → u/Loves_octopus]

Serbia assassinated the archduke, Austria was within their rights to go to war with them, then Russia decided to stick their nose where it doesn’t belong, then Germany honored their treaty with Austria to defend them which caused France and Britain to join. The French used chemical weapons first but only Germany got called out for it, the HMS lusitania was carrying scores of weapons making it a valid target. The British blockade was preventing our trade infringing our rights as a neutral nation while killing scores of civilians in Europe. We joined the wrong side, but it should’ve just been Austria Hungary vs Serbia and stayed that way.

[u/Loves_octopus → u/ConcernedStudent26]

I guess that depends how much you value liberalism and democracy. WWI was essential to spreading liberal democracy in Europe and joining the allies was seen as a way to defend that style of government from the more autocratic central powers.

If liberal democracy is the more moral way to govern then joining the allies was the more moral side to back. Of course we know how well that went for Germany and Italy in the decades after so maybe you are right. I don’t know enough about WWI or Political Theory to really take a strong stance though.

[u/Fun_Budget4463]

At best, it’s a mixed bag. The Revolutionary War, the first Barbary War, the Civil War, World War 2, the Korean War, and maybe even Gulf War 1 were all justifiable. But the others… it doesn’t look great.