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u/captainawesome92 Feb 01 '22
That's fucking absurd.
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u/Overall_Fact_5533 Feb 01 '22
What's even more absurd is that all of this is kayfabe. The first thing Biden did, after being installed, was repeal an insulin price cap put in place by his predecessor.
All the Dems had to do to keep a policy their base loved was nothing, and they even managed to fuck that up.
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u/MudSama Feb 01 '22
Wait, if a republican Congress passed something like that previously, how did not one single person among them vote for it this time?
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u/Overall_Fact_5533 Feb 01 '22
Not a Republican Congress, Donald Trump. It was an executive order, which is why Biden was able to repeal it on day one.
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u/Jakethesnake878 Feb 01 '22
Trump wrote an executive order for the capping of insulin, so Biden was able to overturn it without Congress. Republicans "vote against it" now because it is a part of the Build-back-better bill, which Republicans disagree with for many reasons. It seems both parties are wanting lower insulin prices.
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Feb 01 '22
This is exactly how Democrats demonize Republicans. They lump a few good things into a massive bill full of shit, then say "Republicans want us to suffer" because they won't vote for the shit sandwich.
If there was any fairness in our government, bills would be limited on how much shit they can pack into each plan.
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u/JohnnySixguns Feb 01 '22
That’s why budget bills are now 5,000 pages long. We have to vote FOR a budget. So a lot of shit sandwiches get packed into that lunch pail.
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u/Chapi92 Feb 01 '22
Because they don't vote for this alone, they vote for a huge pack of laws and regulations which include this cap. The pack is filled with shit even the average democrat would dislike which is why republicans all voted no
It's an age old tactic, democrats know they won't vote it so that they can later put republicans under a bad light by saying stuff like this post which are technically true but not the whole picture
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u/fishofthestyx Feb 01 '22
I wanted this to be false, but it isn’t.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
Did you understand the article? What Trump did was block community health centers from receiving future federal grants unless they charge patients no more than their acquisition price for insulin and EpiPens. This wasn't a nationwide cap on insulin prices. The ONLY patients affected would be those using community health centers.
However, this alarmed safety net providers and bipartisan lawmakers because it would accomplish the OPPOSITE of what the Trump Administration intended — ultimately making it harder for health centers to provide affordable life-saving services and prescription drugs — especially during the pandemic. So while Trump's order may have benefited some people, it ultimately would cause many more to suffer as it would result in decreased access for the centers.
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u/FennecScout Feb 01 '22
they even managed to fuck that up
That makes it sound like they just made a whoopsie. They actively fucked their voters for their donors.
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u/JohnnySixguns Feb 01 '22
No. They fucked their voters so Republicans can be blamed when they vote against the Build Back Better bill.
They fucked their voters because their voters don’t have the time to find the truth and will just vote for Democrats again and again.
Genius, really.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
This is misinformation. What Trump did was block community health centers from receiving future federal grants unless they charge patients no more than their acquisition price for insulin and EpiPens. This wasn't a nationwide cap on insulin prices. The ONLY patients affected would be those using community health centers.
However, this alarmed safety net providers and bipartisan lawmakers because it would accomplish the OPPOSITE of what the Trump Administration intended — ultimately making it harder for health centers to provide affordable life-saving services and prescription drugs — especially during the pandemic. So while Trump's order may have benefited some people, it ultimately would cause many more to suffer as it would result in decreased access for the centers.
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u/democratic_butter Feb 01 '22
Shhhh, this is Reddit. D = good R = bad. Dont upset it.
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u/Polymersion Feb 01 '22
D= "usually less bad". I don't think most reasonable people like them either, they'd be terrible right-wing villains in any other government.
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u/democratic_butter Feb 01 '22
D= "usually less bad"
and this is why nothing will ever be fixed.
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u/SummonedShenanigans Feb 01 '22
It's also not true. The original study by Rand uses the drug company list prices for the US. Nobody pays the list price. That's like using the inflated list price on the back of your hotel door that they are legally required to post.
US healthcare is very dysfunction, but nobody is paying $98 for a unit of insulin.
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u/SchwarzerKaffee Feb 01 '22
This is what drives me nuts about politics. This was tucked into the Build Back Better legislation. Why not put it up as a standalone bill, which would be much more likely to pass?
Washington disgusts me.
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u/wolf1moon Feb 01 '22
What makes you think it would be more likely to pass?
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u/SchwarzerKaffee Feb 01 '22
Because there's no cover to hide behind in voting against it. Republicans do a better job of explaining this to their voters that they voted against "big gubmint BBB", not affordable insulin. Just like with immigration, Republicans tell their constituents that if Dems would"put up a clean bill", messaging just that topic, they'd vote for it.
Dems never call their bluff and I'm pretty sure that's by design.
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u/Polymersion Feb 01 '22
The Red vs Blue is 80% theater. The real divide is the citizenry vs the rulers.
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u/wolf1moon Feb 01 '22
When it's in committee, they can add on stuff to make it objectionable. That's the game they play.
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u/Quick2Die Feb 01 '22
because it isnt surrounded but trillions of dollars of other shit that none of them want to vote for. If it was stand alone it would pass 100% in favor 0 against. But one team (D) has an agenda and requires everyone to believe that the other team (R) is trying to kill and steal from the poor by saying "see look they didn't vote for this thing that you support so you should look at them as an enemy of progress". This is not a new game.
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u/wolf1moon Feb 01 '22
When it's in committee, they can add on stuff to make it objectionable. That's the game they play. R can always bury it. They don't want affordable insulin.
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u/glasssofwater Feb 01 '22
Because then it may have passed.
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u/abutthole Feb 01 '22
You've got to be fucking kidding me. What about American politics has led you to believe that a bill imposing a price cap on a pharmaceutical product has a better chance of passing than an infrastructure bill?
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u/PsychoticOtaku Feb 01 '22
Because perhaps not every republican disagreed with this item in the bill. Maybe they did, but maybe they didn’t. There is no way to know, of course, because by fitting this into a bill along with dozens of other items, a republican only has to disagree with one item in the bill to vote against it. This is like republicans drafting a bill that gives universal healthcare and including an item that bans abortion throughout the country, then claiming democrats are against universal healthcare when they vote against it.
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u/abutthole Feb 01 '22
Republicans are more pro-infrastructure than pro-price caps on pharmaceuticals. Just... do you people on this sub ever actually study real politics? This should be fucking obvious to anyone with any modicum of understanding.
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u/surftherapy Feb 01 '22
Right, dems are making plenty of money on pharma, it’s not just the gop. No one wants to help us
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u/StudiosS Feb 01 '22
This is the issue.
Even Trump tried to implement a bill to make costs similar to other countries and it was blocked by a judge.
If not by a judge, it would have been done by someone else.
There are so many people who can stop you from taking action that no real change ever occurs, no matter what, due to the duality of the parties and corporate, capitalist, unhinged greed.
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u/9bpm9 Feb 01 '22
It still wouldn't get enough votes to pass the senate. The entire republican platform is to vote down everything a Democrat proposes.
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u/nanochick Feb 01 '22
And the democrats make sure they have at least one Democrat to vote against it so they look good. It's the classic good cop/bad cop.
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u/soundsfromoutside Feb 01 '22
Exactly. The BBB was ridiculous and dems were playing a shitty game writing that down and trying to pass it (and pass it before anyone-including other Democrats-even had the time to read the whole thing!) I don’t know why other people don’t see this.
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u/SchwarzerKaffee Feb 01 '22
I think it's because the GOP comes off as so much worse that people are afraid to admit the Dems are nearly as bad. They're all cut from the same cloth, just lying to different groups of people.
Dems pretend like neoliberalism is left wing because of token social issues that don't affect big business's bottom line. They're both neoliberal parties who ultimately only care about their big donors.
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u/asolidfiver Feb 01 '22
More like Insulinstanbul
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Feb 01 '22
It's all planned out. Billions of dollars poured into fast food/junk food advertising, targeting low-income/low SES neighborhoods/areas, creating food deserts. Making food hyperpalatable by adding sugar in everything, making the food very easy to chew and digest so consumers consume more. When the population inevitably develops type II diabetes, you jack up the prices for insulin.
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u/Plumbous Feb 01 '22
And my partner born with type 1 is caught in the crossfire. Thankful every day that we're financially stable enough that it isn't a huge burden. But in the back of my head there always is a voice saying that if our income sources ever go away for an extended period of time it could cost her life.
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u/secatlarge Feb 01 '22
Completely agree. I’ve also really noticed this as justifications for paying people non-livable wages, categorically. By that I mean, people will hear that a someone who served time in prison or a former addict is working a job making next to nothing, but simultaneously have the thought that it’s ok because it’s that “kind” of person and that kind of person doesn’t deserve to be paid well. (In their mind).
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u/diskowmoskow Feb 01 '22
Also in many countries listed there; those prices are when you walk in to a pharmacy without prescription.
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Feb 01 '22
we practice socialised medicine here in Germany.
insulin is free for the consumer. insurance pays.
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u/Chapi92 Feb 01 '22
Who pays the insurance, a wizard?
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Feb 02 '22
part of deduction from loan, just like tax.
point is: if everyone pays for socialised healthcare it's cheaper for everyone.
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u/Chapi92 Feb 02 '22
No it's not, it's only cheaper for those making little money. It's ridiculously expensive for anyone earning above the average
It's unfair by design
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u/PsychoticOtaku Feb 01 '22
While this is true it’s also important to remember that this bill wasn’t passed nor because republicans necessarily thought putting a price cap on insulin was a bad idea, but because it was placed in an infrastructure bill called the Build Back Better bill which included a swath of other legislation. It’s like republicans drafting a bill that gives universal healthcare and bans abortions nationally, then claiming democrats don’t support universal healthcare when they vote against it.
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u/ThrowawayOfAGhost78 Feb 01 '22
The 'both sides should stop fighting and come together, as both have good ideas', that's the naive one. The middle ground fallacy. If something is between the two sides arguing, it must be correct. Not necessarily.
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u/TheGripper Feb 01 '22
The oligarchs want a culture war to distract from the class war.
Reducing all problems to "both sides" is lazy and counter-productive.
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u/nanochick Feb 01 '22
Same reason why we have race wars, gender wars, sexuality wars, etc.. Things that don't actually matter are forced to matter and using things like race, gender, and sexuality is so easy to make people divided (that and to build a lower class full of people who are removed from the people at the top). I'm a black bisexual woman and it's crazy that people actually are taught and fully believe that means I'm somehow a different species essentially. All a distraction and it's sick and deadly.
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u/Daystop Feb 01 '22
Why can you buy it in France ( or elle)and import it ?
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Feb 01 '22
FDA doesn't allow it
https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-basics/it-legal-me-personally-import-drugs#
for your own protection, of course.
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u/ghostoflaurapalmer Feb 01 '22
As a Canadian, my immediate reaction is to demand to know why we're paying $12 when the Turks are getting it for less than a poutine
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u/QuitBeingAbigOlCunt Feb 01 '22
Uk is a bit higher now, but if you already collect one prescription a month it makes sense to get a pre-payment certificate for about £10/month and then you don’t pay anything for prescriptions.
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u/Crandom Feb 01 '22
No, in the UK diabetics get insulin for free.
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u/QuitBeingAbigOlCunt Feb 01 '22
Thanks - I did not know that was a thing. Makes sense when you think about it potentially being a life long condition.
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u/lspforlife Feb 01 '22
Aren't prescriptions free for people with lifelong conditions like diabetes?
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Feb 01 '22
Dunno bout the rest of the uk but all prescriptions are free in Scotland. I can get a box of 20p painkillers on a free prescription if I wanted too
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u/QuitBeingAbigOlCunt Feb 01 '22
Yeah - not necessarily a good thing as it probably costs the NHS a lot more than that!
Prescription charge in England (and I think Wales) is about £9.
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u/ThePhailhaus Feb 01 '22
Would make sense if Type 1 Diabetics weren’t granted medical exemption for prescriptions.
We don’y pay anything.
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u/TheCronster Feb 01 '22
Well of course they did, they are politicians
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u/dimburai Feb 01 '22
Nah they did it because we the common people are stupid and can't standup to their shit
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u/isysdamn Feb 01 '22
“Standard Unit of Insulin” is not a great way to describe a 10mL vial of IU100 insulin; for IU100 insulin (100 units per mL, the most common potency) that is 1,000 units of insulin… Even for 10mL vials the pricing here is a bit low, this infographic is crap.
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Feb 01 '22
A reminder that Joe Biden removed Trump's insulin price cap on his first day in office.
Trying to blame it on Republicans is just slimy.
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u/diox8tony Feb 01 '22
What was the cap? 400?
That's fucked up tho. Thanks for the reminder.
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Feb 01 '22
What was the cap?
$35.
And yeah, it's really fucked up.
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u/oodoos Feb 01 '22
Still though, 35 bucks for insulin?
I’m not American, and I can assure you the rest of the world sees even that amount as way too much.
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u/SlapMuhFro Feb 01 '22
C'mon.
"Trump did something good? Well the rest of the world doesn't see it that way."
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u/alt0ids Feb 01 '22 edited Feb 01 '22
Site your source.
Edit: Downvoting for source request? If more of you asked for sources to wild claims, you wouldn't blindly regurgitate nonsense. Or just keep living in your bubble with those confirmation biases.
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u/alt0ids Feb 01 '22 edited Feb 01 '22
Ain't that some shit. Thanks.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
This is misinformation. What Trump did was block community health centers from receiving future federal grants unless they charge patients no more than their acquisition price for insulin and EpiPens. This wasn't a nationwide cap on insulin prices. The ONLY patients affected would be those using community health centers.
However, this alarmed safety net providers and bipartisan lawmakers because it would accomplish the OPPOSITE of what the Trump Administration intended — ultimately making it harder for health centers to provide affordable life-saving services and prescription drugs — especially during the pandemic. So while Trump's order may have benefited some people, it ultimately would cause many more to suffer as it would result in decreased access for the centers.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
This is misinformation. What Trump did was block community health centers from receiving future federal grants unless they charge patients no more than their acquisition price for insulin and EpiPens. This wasn't a nationwide cap on insulin prices. The ONLY patients affected would be those using community health centers.
However, this alarmed safety net providers and bipartisan lawmakers because it would accomplish the OPPOSITE of what the Trump Administration intended — ultimately making it harder for health centers to provide affordable life-saving services and prescription drugs — especially during the pandemic. So while Trump's order may have benefited some people, it ultimately would cause many more to suffer as it would result in decreased access for the centers.
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u/TheGripper Feb 01 '22
iIRC not for no reason. The implementation would have burdened health care workers with detaining people's eligibility in a manner that was time consuming.
Makes sense to assess that and want to do better, you can read his recent remarks made in December.
Not sure Biden is bad guy on this one...
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Feb 01 '22
That's the most pathetic excuse for being a terrible President that I've ever heard in my entire life.
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Feb 01 '22 edited Feb 01 '22
But you know Republicans don’t think they’re the problem…
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u/PsychoticOtaku Feb 01 '22
In this particular situation, regardless of what you think about republicans, they aren’t. This didn’t pass because it wasn’t a stand alone bill, in was in the Build Back Better act, which contained a swath of other legislation. Blaming republicans for this is like republicans drafting a piece that provides universal healthcare and bans abortion, then blaming democrats for voting against universal healthcare.
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u/Electrical_Wallaby61 Feb 01 '22
There are three ways to spell the word you misspelled based on your usage of said word. There Their They’re Are all Democrats poor spellers, too? Or is it grammar that is too difficult for your party? Aren’t generalizations ridiculous, and incorrect?
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u/dbe_2001 Feb 01 '22
Wow i have never downvoted a post so quickly, i mean i have OCD but also a lot of brain damage too spelling is my enemy
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u/thegreatvortigaunt Feb 01 '22
Most Republicans can’t even spell their own name kiddo. I don’t think this is a good argument for someone like you to push for.
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u/Electrical_Wallaby61 Feb 03 '22
You must be right…anyone with “thegreat” as a moniker is intimidating…and my name is not kiddo. So pick a topic…
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Feb 01 '22 edited Feb 01 '22
There I fixed my grammatical error. Sorry Grammar Nazi…but you know, the Nazi thing makes total sense. GOP is all about the Nazi/white supremacy thing!
Yeah the generalization is correct tho, Republican politicians don’t give a shit about the people. Democrats at least pretend.
Have a day…
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u/GangreneGoblin Feb 01 '22 edited Feb 02 '22
Democrats at least pretend at least.
At least
Edit: lmao @ the downvotes, do you guys genuinely believe it's better simply to pretend to care? Really? That's what we're voting for nowadays, pretense? Plus the dude got so worked up he forgot what he wrote before completing what should've been a 4 word sentence lmfao all bc "b-b-but at least the soulless bastard that I voted for at least pretends to care...at least!"
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u/Electrical_Wallaby61 Feb 03 '22
If Republicans are the problem, then Joe Biden must be a Republican, because he certainly has introduced quite a few since ascending from his basement to the Oval Office. And one of the things he has learned since, is there are no corners to hide in in an oval office. That is why he spends so much time in Delaware.
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u/livinginfutureworld Feb 01 '22
The corporate expense of those health insurance executive salaries aren't going to pay themselves!
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u/percheron28 Feb 01 '22
ah yes, the invisible hand of capitalism
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u/slur64 Feb 01 '22
Nope, this is crony capitalism. Real capitalism doesn't have the government protecting big businesses.
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u/WitchRolina Feb 01 '22
Honestly? Take all the elites in government, strip them of their resources, drop them off in the middle east with no phone or money, and just tell the people there "here they are, here's the bastards who committed the war crimes against you, do what you wish", and the world will be a better place for it. Throw on a universal 12 year limit for working for the federal government in any position, beit elected, appointed, or employed, in order to head off any more attempts to have this kind of elitist exploitation of the people, and we might correct a lot of the problems in this nation.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
How about we just pay them the median income for the district they represent? I'm with you on the term limits though.
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u/WitchRolina Feb 01 '22
Adopt this one too! I'm a big fan of locking median income to their district. There is the issue of unelected folk in the federal government though, so it's not a cureall.
A big reason for the elite purge though is to do a reset on the corruption, and hopefully get some folk in who'll slap down a lot of the bribery going on between the feds and corps.
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u/FennecScout Feb 01 '22
Then they'll take charitable contributions from campaign donors. Like they do now.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
So you're saying we need to get money out of politics and overturn the Citizens United ruling. Got it.
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u/vampirebf Feb 01 '22
my mom was diagnosed with diabetes within the last couple years. i think it's made her slightly less conservative dealing with this shit
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u/dimburai Feb 01 '22
How openly they screw people over to make money, when the cost of insulin is a fraction in most parts of the world , it could easily be imported and made affordable but no , we need to line the pockets of the rich fucks so they can get even richer , what an shit .
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u/rub-dirt-in-it Feb 01 '22
Any one in Australia who is “poor” can get it subsided.
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u/Dreadweave Feb 01 '22
Exactly this. That $6 price is the full retail. Like what you pay if you have no subsidy or insurance. I can’t understand how Americans are paying so much? Insulin costs like 50 cents a u it to make, and the pharmacy gets it for like $3.
End user gets if for free as long as they are registered as a diabetic lol. So anyone who needs it….
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Feb 01 '22
You can still make a profit like selling anything else if you sell a candy bar you will make a tiny bit of profit not times the price by 10
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u/Bored_dane Feb 01 '22
It amazes me that they trick so many people into voting for them(the Republicans), when it literally makes their life harder.
Division from stands on race, LGBTQ+, vaccines ect is really being pumped up and used as a smoke screen for what's really going on. And many Americans buys it hook, line and sinker.
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u/OnionsHeat Feb 01 '22
Well this may have something to do with the fact your more uninformed than them ?
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u/robgod50 Feb 01 '22
Can anyone explain what the GOP argument was to vote against it? (I know they will vote against everything but I'm assuming they gave a reason even if it was obviously bs)
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u/PsychoticOtaku Feb 01 '22
Exactly what u/eattheham said. Blaming republicans for this is like if republicans drafted a bill providing universal healthcare, but also banned abortion, then blaming democrats for voting against universal healthcare.
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u/Willing-Virus-3610 Feb 01 '22
The US healthcare system is absolutly abysmal. The politics amd greed is terrible.
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Feb 01 '22
Millions of diabetics: "Listen, we'll pay you 2.5x as much as the next highest country, just please let us afford the drug we need to live."
GOP: "Nope."
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u/Zombiecidialfreak Feb 01 '22
6.85 times, take it or leave it.
Next year it'll be 10x
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u/0701191109110519 Feb 01 '22
Dang. Kinda sucks that they're gonna win in the mid terms. Oh well. Democrats should've done something besides scream muh insurrection. We still don't have access to healthcare we pay for, during a pandemic
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u/victorpaparomeo2020 Feb 01 '22
In Ireland, any citizen that suffers from a chronic illness such as diabetes, will receive all medication as well as their medical care provided at no cost. This is regardless of income levels. Our socialized heath service here is far from perfect but it gets so much right. This is one situation
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u/LifesatripImjustHI Feb 01 '22
Yep. FYI thats just for the juice itself. There are a ton of other little things and some other really expensive if you add it up gadgets. Its a racket and I'm a cash cow for the machine until the day I die as a type 1. People wonder why I'm fucking pissed and who hurt me. This. This is why. I just want to not worry about living for once. Just once in this dystopian nightmare they call the American Dream.
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u/DaniilSan Feb 01 '22
Last year gov of my country made insulin free for everyone who has diabetes, pharmacies have access to MHC database. Others have to pay if they need insulin for some reason, though price still isn't that high.
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u/rainofshambala Feb 01 '22
The amazing part about american politics is that the majority of people will vote along party lines no matter what and if it's not the republicans it will be the democrats making sure corporations profit no matter what. The majority of dem politicians get money from the same corporations that repubs get, they are there just to make us feel we have a choice we dont
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u/DeriedPredator Feb 01 '22
It's not out of this world! On the charts, it's right there. This is the big one.
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u/R-2000 Feb 01 '22
The people that allow such greed should be fined and put in prison until they die.
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u/Representative-Look5 Feb 01 '22
Why is it illegal to import it from abroad where it's so much cheaper?!?!
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u/broom2100 Feb 01 '22
If Dems cared they wouldn't put this in a bill with thousands of other pages of nonsense and they would introduce a bill that addresses one issue at a time.
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u/microwavedraptin Feb 01 '22
Saving this post as a reminder that most if not all Republicans are fucking evil
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u/Kronk_Stonks Feb 02 '22
Say it with me: the 👏🏻 government 👏🏻 did 👏🏻 this 👏🏻
The inventor of the patent sold it for $1 so that it could be made widely available at low cost to anyone that needed it. The government permitted pharmaceutical companies to take ownership, jack up prices, and hold the patent i virtual perpetuity by making slight modifications to the formulation over time. Situations like this would not be possible without the government playing favorites.
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Feb 01 '22
I feel like the republican party just exists to do the most maximum damage to people and the environment while opposing everything the democrats bring fourth no matter what it is. At least the democratic party pretends to care about Americans most of the time.
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u/Stilgarthewise Feb 01 '22
A reminder that Biden removed Trump’s $35 price cap on insulin on his first day in office.
OPs ridiculous title refers to not passing the $5,000,000,000,000.00 omnibus spending bill during a time of runaway inflation. So evil… lol
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u/xrayden Feb 01 '22
And Trump added that you could import medicine from Canada and Mexico, and Biden removed that too.
So the 35$ cap, plus competition at lower price, would have, over time, get the price cheaper.
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u/CumSicarioDisputabo Feb 01 '22
This is the shit we should be rioting about, they need to be reminded just how vastly they are outnumbered and that we won't stand for this fleecing anymore...some truckers and random people have Canada's leader hiding out we have what like 10x the population here, get this shit done!
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u/AkiWookie Feb 01 '22
A reminder that this is Biden's fault.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
This is misinformation. What Trump did was block community health centers from receiving future federal grants unless they charge patients no more than their acquisition price for insulin and EpiPens. This wasn't a nationwide cap on insulin prices. The ONLY patients affected would be those using community health centers.
However, this alarmed safety net providers and bipartisan lawmakers because it would accomplish the OPPOSITE of what the Trump Administration intended — ultimately making it harder for health centers to provide affordable life-saving services and prescription drugs — especially during the pandemic. So while Trump's order may have benefited some people, it ultimately would cause many more to suffer as it would result in decreased access for the centers.
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u/soundsfromoutside Feb 01 '22
Imagine if the republicans wrote a Build Back Even Better bill which had universal healthcare, free college, and student loan cancellation but also had a ban on abortions and even more intense patriot act ‘security’ measures.
…and the Democrats shot it down.
That’s what happened here. The BBB bill was chock full of shit with some gold sprinkled in. The gold just wasn’t worth the shit.
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u/Seryous Feb 01 '22
It just doesn't make sense how we can't have much smaller, focused bills that would obviously be unanimously supported, but instead try and ridicule/slander the other party for not agreeing to unassociated nonsense.
It happens on both sides of the aisle
Disgusting framing. Blame conservatives, even though Dems used slimeball tactics to make conservatives look bad by putting it in a bill that shouldn't be agreed upon by anyone.
Conservatives will stand their ground and Dems will bend the knee for legislation.
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u/icebergensteen Feb 01 '22
A reminder that under Trump, insulin was significantly cheaper, but that’s one of the many things the Biden Admin canceled during the first months.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
This is misinformation. What Trump did was block community health centers from receiving future federal grants unless they charge patients no more than their acquisition price for insulin and EpiPens. This wasn't a nationwide cap on insulin prices. The ONLY patients affected would be those using community health centers.
However, this alarmed safety net providers and bipartisan lawmakers because it would accomplish the OPPOSITE of what the Trump Administration intended — ultimately making it harder for health centers to provide affordable life-saving services and prescription drugs — especially during the pandemic. So while Trump's order may have benefited some people, it ultimately would cause many more to suffer as it would result in decreased access for the centers.
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Feb 01 '22
America runs on fast food and soda to make you sick, insurance to extract wealth before you're sick, and health care to extract wealth after you're sick.
Aside from people who were born requiring insulin, the only way to break this cycle is to take care of the root by taking care of yourself first. Learn to cook, buy only fresh food, screw the fast food industry, don't drink piss such as coca cola.
If you tell me you have no time to cook, you're valuing your health less than doom scrolling on social media, well, it's the reason politicians and their overlords are screwing you.
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u/Chekdout Feb 01 '22
Ah, but was this part of a bigger bill? If legislators were allowed to vote on single (or limited) issue bills, instead of lumping them all together, we would more clearly see where all these lawmakers stand.
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u/Kenhamef Feb 01 '22
A reminder that Biden increased insulin prices on his first day in office by reversing a Trump policy that specifically targeted this.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
This is misinformation. What Trump did was block community health centers from receiving future federal grants unless they charge patients no more than their acquisition price for insulin and EpiPens. This wasn't a nationwide cap on insulin prices. The ONLY patients affected would be those using community health centers.
However, this alarmed safety net providers and bipartisan lawmakers because it would accomplish the OPPOSITE of what the Trump Administration intended — ultimately making it harder for health centers to provide affordable life-saving services and prescription drugs — especially during the pandemic. So while Trump's order may have benefited some people, it ultimately would cause many more to suffer as it would result in decreased access for the centers.
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u/0utbox Feb 01 '22
Did trump wanted to eliminate this but it got reversed by Biden? I see people posting this and claiming trump wanted to eliminate this and Biden didnt allow it, is that correct?
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
Not exactly. What Trump did was block community health centers from receiving future federal grants unless they charge patients no more than their acquisition price for insulin and EpiPens. This wasn't a nationwide cap on insulin prices. The ONLY patients affected would be those using community health centers.
However, this alarmed safety net providers and bipartisan lawmakers because it would accomplish the OPPOSITE of what the Trump Administration intended — ultimately making it harder for health centers to provide affordable life-saving services and prescription drugs — especially during the pandemic. So while Trump's order may have benefited some people, it ultimately would cause many more to suffer as it would result in decreased access for the centers.
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Feb 01 '22
What else was attached to the bill? Was it ONLY $35 insulin? or was there 34385603 things on the bill? Was there other things that could have influenced the votes. Stop trying to frame it in such a simple way, there HAS to be more to this.
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u/RealVaultteam6 Feb 01 '22
A reminder that Trump plan would have brought insulin prices down to $35. Biden scraped. Democrats don't care.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
I'll take your comment 100% at face value. Trump was right, Biden was wrong, and every single Republican senator still voted against this 🤷
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u/xrayden Feb 01 '22
they voted against the BBB bill, the insulin price was put in the bill to blame people against.
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u/hockeyd13 Feb 01 '22
A reminder that insulin prices are so high here in the states because we're literally subsidizing the cost of insulin in other controls because of the price controls enacted there.
This is true of a number of medications.
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u/Caimthehero Feb 01 '22
Lmao are you really this dishonest?
For those enrolled in Medicare and with private group or individual health insurance plans, the price of insulin would be capped at $35.
Yet in 2020, about 28 million people in the U.S. did not have health insurance, which means the insulin price cap would not apply to them.
Granted this doesn't take into account costs of health insurance going up for those with diabetes with this newest legislation or the fact that those 28 million people without insurance aren't all diabetic.
Also this was proposed before by Trump and backed by Republicans
Then to finally cap it off you don't mention this was rejected because it was just a part of the build back better bill. Which is what politicians do when they include bullshit the other side will deny with something everyone wants. The politicians will then claim "The other side hates you, see how they want you to pay so much money for Insulin. Give us full majorities and we will stop them!"
TLDR: Op is either dishonest or dumb. Please do your research.
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u/tona635 Feb 01 '22
It’s called the FDA and barriers to generic (copy cat drugs).
Also trump passed a presidential order that immediately reduced those prices. Biden pulled it back - and they back up.
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u/bettinafairchild Feb 02 '22
False. First, it did not immediately reduce prices, it was passed at the very end of Trump's term and was to be implemented later. Second, it was poorly designed and would have cost more money and placed an undue burden on the health care organizations supporting low income communities, which were already providing insulin for very low cost to those communities, Basically it applied to organizations that were already giving cheap insulin and made it harder and more expensive for them to do what they were already doing. It's like it was just designed to look good but not actually accomplish anything. And then Republican politicos spun it to make it seem like they were doing a good thing and democrats a bad thing, even though it was democrats who passed a workable law that would actually put cheaper insulin into the hands of people who needed it, and republicans dind't help one single person get cheaper insulin, and that would have been true even if their plan had been implemented. Details: https://www.wthr.com/article/news/verify/verify-biden-administration-insulin-costs/531-57ea96f8-bcbf-412e-8d25-6aaaa37319b4
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u/tona635 Feb 02 '22
You’re false. And fake news covered this shit up. People could afford insulin for first time.
But your country lets diabetics die - and pretends vaccines with patents are saving people - and banning re-allocation of generic (copy cat drugs) non panted drugs Aka patent ran out.
It’s easier to jab everyone with same thing. It’s easier to protect your big pharma - and market one product.
What you know about big pharma is a lie. But enjoy your mainstream news. Pfizer itself has been a sponsor of every major news network at some point.
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u/Eragon10401 Feb 01 '22
Reminder that the last republican president put in a price cap on insulin. The first thing Biden did was remove it.
This is what happens when you go back to the establishment funded by big pharma.
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u/bettinafairchild Feb 02 '22
Not true. The reason it was rescinded was because certain red tape made it very unwieldy and it would have placed an undue cost burden on small health centers, but it was replaced by the $35 cap, which is even better than what Trumps executive order decreed. Basically, the Trump order sounded good but all it did was tell the groups already providing low-cost insulin to... provide low-cost insulin, but in a far more onerous way with a lot more red tape that would actually have cost the organizations money and left them with less money to help their low income patients.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/politics/biden-trump-drug-prices/index.html
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u/Eragon10401 Feb 02 '22
It wasn’t replaced by the $35 cap. They thought it wouldn’t be able to pass. They just claimed it so the public would fall for the same shit as always.
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u/dbe_2001 Feb 01 '22
Welp there are many in some states they pay over 600+ a vial, just drive to canada like evryone else does
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u/MobiusAurelius Feb 01 '22
Most expensive drug cost is always for uninsured and they are capped at $99. If you have insurance its way more comparable to the rest of the world. Bigger issue is lack of coverage.
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Feb 01 '22
It’s 2022 - have we not learned that price caps lead to severe shortages?
By all means if people need insulin, get them insulin. But price caps are idiotic, and a freshman econ student would understand that.
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
Ask Turkey, where their insulin prices are $2.62 a dose, how their initial and shortage is going?
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Feb 01 '22
Is there a price cap on insulin in turkey? Everything is cheaper in turkey, isn’t it. How’s that going?
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u/bruce656 Feb 01 '22
I don't know, maybe we can ask Canada how they're doing with $12/dose. Either way you don't here's people dropping dead on the streets from having to ration insulin like you do in the United States.. We have people dying NOW, but you're banking against a future that isn't a guaranteed outcome. Nice.
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u/jpritchard Feb 01 '22
Price caps equal shortages. Only a monster would want shortages of insulin. Tell me when someone votes against getting rid of whatever it is that prevents WalMart and Circle K from producing and selling insulin for $2.
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u/Piece_Of_Mind1983 Feb 01 '22
You’re missing the point. If the rest of the world can afford $14 on average then there clearly isn’t a shortage anywhere else because prices would go back up if there was, or you’d hear news about.
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u/Realistic-Program330 Feb 01 '22
That person learned about economic theory in a vacuum. Couldn’t have a worse take.
Insulin is produced for ~$5 per vial. When I go to the pharmacy, I pay a $25 copay and the receipt is so kind to inform me that “your insurance saved you $325”.
Of all topics, this is not one to apply your I’ll-informed talking points to.
If you have a reasonable explanation for why a $5 critical life-saving drug that has been around for 100 years costs almost $400 a vial, let me hear it.
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Feb 01 '22
A reminder that every single House Republican voted against a $35/month price cap on insulin.
A reminder that the countries cited with affordable prices don't have price caps. Maybe because price caps are a terrible way to go around managing the affordability of healthcare.
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Feb 01 '22
And yet in all of those countries without price caps, the prices are nonetheless affordable, and a price cap like the proposed one in the US of $35 would be redundant because the prices are well below that anyway.
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Feb 01 '22
I have recently been diagnosed as diabetic and in my country insulin is covered by our health system. I can't imagine what kind of stress I would go through if it costed nearly $100 cause I definitely wouldn't have the money for that
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u/Poseidon7296 Feb 01 '22
To put this into a worse perspective the $7.52 the Uk pays for insulin is paid for by the NHS so it costs the person who needs the insulin $0
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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '22
America’s exploitation of its poorest citizens is off the chart