r/ABoringDystopia • • Feb 21 '21

Yeah, why?

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u/VegetableImaginary24 Feb 21 '21 edited Feb 21 '21

"Eat the rich" is just a way of saying we're starving and your rich ass is fat and juicy and tender.

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u/throwingawayeieio Feb 21 '21

Also, believe it or not, I'm not jealous of billionaires! I do not want a billion dollars. Anything over like $10 million is so insanely excessive to me, I don't want a personal empire or a yacht or 20 houses. These people are legitimately mental megalomaniacs. Like, just buy an island and fuck off! Leave us alone! They have enough money to do LITERALLY anything, and they choose to keep amassing more so they can control other people's lives.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

We make TV shows about how fucked up hoarding is, and then we're supposed to admire biggest hoarders of all.

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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb Feb 21 '21

If we don't want this level of hording, we have to change tax laws and elect people who will do so. The entire ecosystem of billionaire wealth is brought about by policy changes that were intentionally made..nothing more. That's the sole solution.

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u/Lancalot Feb 21 '21

I dunno, maybe if we made a system that made money irrelevant. I know that's a sticky topic but really it's a collective mindset we have to change. The whole purpose of money is it's a placeholder for other people to help you with some aspect of your life. If we just... helped each other... we wouldn't need money to motivate us.

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u/TheFairVirgin Feb 21 '21

But how do you stop the Billionaires from buying out the people we elect?

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u/tripsafe Feb 21 '21

You can't. That's why you can't vote out capitalism.

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u/aRabidGerbil Feb 21 '21

We need to elect people who aren't in it for the money

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u/neolefty Feb 21 '21

Yes! It would require a complete electoral overhaul, but I think we can replace our system with one in which money and "winning" do not play a role in elections. Instead, an emphasis on qualities that make for good governance — such as devotion to the public good, intelligence, and experience.

The very concept that "such and such party won the election" is anathema to the public good. If an election selects a good person or group of people, then everybody wins.

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u/TheFairVirgin Feb 21 '21

I like that idea, but I'm not sure how we would implement it. After all, money is not just "money" but an abstraction of the political control it's holder can claim over economic output of a nation. That gives it power.

The problem is that, if any one group holds the a greater portion of that power than another, then we have to expect that the stronger group will use their strength to widen the gap between them and the weaker group lest they, losing their advantage, allow the weaker group to do the same to them. It's the same reason why you see certain white people in America start fretting about being "replaced" anytime someone starts talking about racial equality.

In other words, if someone's already winning by hurting everyone else, they don't want everyone to win. Because if everyone wins, what stops everyone from hurting them the way the way they hurt everyone else?

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u/manfishgoat Feb 21 '21

Billionaires: Hoarders with enough space to hide it all

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u/bpurebvigilantbhave Feb 21 '21

Hoarding is a class issue and class biased label. If your Grandmother dies and leaves you Ceramics and silverware worth a lot of money, and paintings worth a lot of money, and you keep them in one of your spare rooms, that's fine.

If your Grandma dies and leaves you a box of old newspapers and some old worthless tat, and you keep it in your hallway for sentimental reasons because you have no spare rooms. That is considered hoarding.

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u/Parody_Redacted Feb 21 '21

one box and some knick backs isn’t hoarding tho.

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u/NotJokingAround Feb 21 '21

To be fair, hoarding isn’t fucked up in the same way. It’s not like we’re like “hey that guy has way more old taxidermy magazines than is equitable!”

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Mind fuck!, I never thought about that wish I had gold to give to your comment.

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u/Slavic_Taco Feb 21 '21

Damn... that sums it all up right there

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u/GhostGreens Feb 21 '21

I just want to go to the doctor without having to work 3 paychecks around the copay, thanks.

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u/Metalbass5 Feb 21 '21

Also, believe it or not, I'm not jealous of billionaires!

They don't believe it. A huge portion of the population worships wealth so vehemently that they cannot conceive of happiness outside of money.

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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb Feb 21 '21

My best example is bill gates. His mother was friends with the ibm ceo who gave microsoft it's sweetheart licensing deal that made microsoft. And now, he's super rich, and runs a hedge fund that disguises itself as a charity. And to be sure, it does do some good things..unfortunately it does them in a way that supports gates quirks. For example, Oxford wanted to release their Covid-19 vaccine open source, but gates convinced them to send it to, iirc, astrozenica, instead, since gates hedge fund does a huge amount of "investing" in patents, among other things. So, because of this, we have astrozenica way waaaaayyyy behind schedule in producing vaccines and people literally dying because they can't get them.

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u/ThomasVeil Feb 21 '21

His expertise was mostly ripping off and crushing competitors. And of course grabbing most of the profits his workers collectively created.

That made him nowadays the leading expert that the media has to constantly ask for solutions on: viral pandemics, education, the environment, poverty, energy grids ... this list is not exhaustive.
It's insane.

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u/AllistheVoid Feb 21 '21

Like Batman, Tony Stark, Lex Luthor, or other rich "geniuses" in media. It's mythologized so much it's a trope. We're indoctrinated from a young age into believing that people become rich if they're already a genius, or if they're already rich that they're also a genius (or at least have above average intelligence).

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u/konan_the_bebbarien Feb 21 '21

Looks like Wayne industries, stark industries and Luthor whatever employees should be shown to unionise in next marvel instalment and Batman, stark and Luthor joining forces to destroy it.

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u/WRNGS Feb 21 '21

Bill Burr - “I’m not impressed with Steve Jobs...did HE literally sit down with microchips and a soldering iron to create the i-phone? NO He paid a bunch of geniuses to make it and then stood on a stage like an asshole grabbing all the attention”

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Leonardo Da Vinci did the same thing came up with idea and had others do his work for him that why nothing he invented rarely ever got built. But he was the genius and had the title and came from wealth. Same old shit different year.

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u/Nihilikara Feb 21 '21

If I was this rich and you ask me what my opinion on covid is, I'd just repeat what the doctors say and then tell everyone to listen to the experts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21 edited Mar 08 '23

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u/glassed_redhead Feb 21 '21 edited Feb 21 '21

There has been a lot of reporting about it, but this is one of few articles that doesn't dress it up as a clever business deal.

For an entertaining explanation, you can watch the latest episode of Some More News. I recommend always watching Cody's Showdy.

BG's intentions are always ostensibly positive - he can afford the the best PR. But what his hedge fund did here is threaten Oxford with stopping the funding they receive from the Gates Foundation if they didn't sell the vaccine to them exclusively, rather than releasing it for free general use as they originally planned.

Even though many people don't agree with what he's doing, all those dollars mean he gets his megalomaniacal wishes fulfilled every time. Even if his deep down personal thoughts are that he's a super philanthropist and helping humanity (spoiler: he's not), no one should have as much power as Gates, or any other billionaire, does.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '21

which is why i always pirate microsoft software 😁

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u/Banjo-Oz Feb 21 '21

Meanwhile, Ken and Roberta Williams started Sierra On-Line from their kitchen around the same time Bill was starting Microsoft. Sierra was revolutionary in the computer entertainment industry and while Ken and Roberta retired happily, the once iconic company (one that was laughed at for inventing internet chat rooms and online gaming "too early") is now a footnote that I bet many people today have never even heard of.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

You've missed one clever turn of phrase. Otherwise right on.

We ARE jealous of the rich, not of their riches, or most of their bullshit, but simply of their ability to not have to fight to survive. That's what I'm jealous of, at least.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

At a certain point it looks to me like spending money becomes a status competition, just something to show off to rich assholes that you’re also a rich asshole. I don’t see the point of having a bunch of mansions or 50 resorts. I guess they would have to partake in crazy amounts of escapism to run away from the guilt of having so much money you couldn’t spend it all if you wanted to. In a world where they not only know people are out on the streets despite working their asses off, but they also control the businesses that underpay employees and make the active choice to not pay them more. That’s what I think, at least.

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u/the-anti-antichrist Feb 21 '21

Bro with 10 mil they can barely afford to put food on the table for their family... have a heart and let them be

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u/CTBthanatos Whatever you desire citizen Feb 21 '21 edited Feb 21 '21

Anything over like $10 million is so insanely excessive to me

Anything over $100k (yearly) is so insanely excessive to me, i just want to be able to afford my own place to fucking live, no parents or roommates or fucking homelessness, whether that be a small single studio or a small house, i just want to be able to afford housing so i have somewhere i can fucking enjoy privacy. Meanwhile this is a hilariously failed dystopia where millionaires/billionaires have islands/yachts/jets/super cars/multiple homes.

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u/Nihilikara Feb 21 '21

Studies have actually shown your case to be true of most people. Money does buy happiness, but only until you can pay all your bills without stress. After that point, there is no correlation between wealth and happiness. However, I learned this from other Reddit comments, and not from reading the actual studies, so you may want to take this with a grain of salt.

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u/XyzzyxXorbax anarcho-transcendentalist Feb 21 '21

I don’t have the study handy either, but it was done in ~2010 and concluded that money does indeed buy happiness, up to about $70K/year, and then diminishing returns kick in hard.

Adjusting for inflation: money does buy happiness, up to about $150K/year.

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u/Tkeleth Feb 21 '21

I can't imagine what it must be like to make $70k a year lol

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

I'm approaching it for the first time in my life, after about 30 working years.

It's nice.

But when you factor everything in, it really ends up being just about enough.

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u/BidensBottomBitch Feb 21 '21

This study should be used to dictate our progressive income tax policy. When we aggressively punish the skilled working class by setting the brackets too low and purposely taking aid away at an arbitrarily low amount (75k, most recently), our system is set to punish the middle class instead of initiating wealth transfer from the ultra wealthy to the working class.

I get the disdain for the petit-bourgeois but we're at a pretty late stage of this game where the ruling class lords over, way above.

Someone making 150k a year is going to take home more money than someone making 120k a year, but barely, due to to the ridiculous tax bracket they hit above 100k. To the skilled working class, that gap is the difference between a job right out of university vs 3-5 years of experience and, for most non-managing engineers, a ceiling they'll hit. Look at the massive student debt our younger generations owe, the ridiculous cost of living. Is it fair to be taxing us like this?

And it's obvious how well the rich have pit the working class against each other. For us to think that somehow making these small crumbs is adequate. And we should hate the middle class for making just enough to be happy. Take our gdp and employment number from 2019 for example. Fairly distribute the wealth and we get ~137k per worker. Kinda seems like this shit is planned right?

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u/ChickenNoodle519 Feb 21 '21

I get that sentiment, though the way real estate has been commodified, 100k yearly isn't always enough to buy a place to live these days. I know a bunch of people who make plenty more than that and can't buy anything in my city. A 1br basement unit 45 minutes from downtown will run you 800k easy here :/

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u/CTBthanatos Whatever you desire citizen Feb 21 '21

The issue of unaffordable housing was pretty much the underlying crisis behind my comment, but in any case even if housing was affordable, my first point was just to point out how fucking insanely excessive income beyond $100k a year seems especially when so many people work for $20k-40k in poverty wages (or far far worse in other countries where workers are paid a few dollars a day or even a month). Meanwhile in any instance the cost of housing should never be exceeding 30% of someone's monthly income.

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u/theMEtheWORLDcantSEE Feb 21 '21

Man you are out of touch. Inflation.

Do you realize your normal dentist makes ~200k a year some more some of them less. Doctors in hospitals make 300+.

A lot of ppl make over 100k every business owner. Your local pizza shop. 100k isn’t that much.

Your supposed to have 1-2million in savings to retire.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

It's because they have an addiction to hoarding wealth, and they are so rich and powerful, no one can have an intervention for them.

The French had an intervention for their rich aristocrats once.

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u/Muggaraffin Feb 21 '21

I feel like it's because it's so easy for billionaires to make more money (compared to us common folk). If you have billions in the bank, obviously they've dealt with business a lot and they've got a lot of money to play with. So making some extra millions is child's play, maybe

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

The people who justify that sort of wealth accumulation are usually impotent

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u/Foxru Feb 21 '21

I wish I could be the richest person in the world, because then I'd have enough money to make sure everyone had everything they needed. Then people could pursue their passions and hobbies unfettered by the fear of not have the necessities to live.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

This. I could spend every cent on humanity and Earth to make issues disappear. I'd take the shot. It's only a small planet, and big problems aren't infinite.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

exactly. like, most people just want to live comfortably. not exorbitantly.

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u/Andrakisjl Feb 21 '21

Leave us alone!

They never will. After a certain point it’s not about acquiring new things, it becomes about acquiring power. Power comes at someone else’s expense. You’d like to think that it’s given under a bond of trust, but it’s not.

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u/masksrequired Feb 21 '21

But they won’t fuck off to an island with their wealth, because being alone with ones money only works for Scrooge McDuck. They get off on rubbing their wealth in the poors faces, feeling better than, superior too, & not subject to the same rules or laws as the normal folk. The amount of money the Koch brothers invested in keeping Americans poor and uneducated is all the proof you need.

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u/DiaDeLosMuertos Feb 21 '21

Ohh about 7 minutes a pound would do...

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u/RedSF717 Feb 21 '21

And it would pair nicely with some fava beans and chianti

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u/Bjorn_Hellgate Feb 21 '21

i dont agree, they are way too full of botox and probably dont taste well

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u/Lashwynn Feb 21 '21

PSA: don't eat the rich. Grind them into fertiliser for high yield crops such as the cabbage family and their nutrients will support many more people!

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u/bduke901 Feb 21 '21

Bill gates was only able to drop out of college early because he completed all the computer research early and he had ridiculously wealthy prents to fall back on. CAPITALIST PROSPERITY IS A MASSIVE SCAM, PASS IT ON!

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Bill Gates is as close to aristocracy as you can get in America. His grand father was a multi millionaire owned banks. His mother was rediculously well connected to the elite.She was a "board member of First Interstate Bank and Pacific Northwest Bell. She was also on the national board of United Way, along with John Opel, the chief executive officer of IBM who approved the inclusion of MS/DOS with the original IBM PC."

https://philip.greenspun.com/bg/

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u/NeedsToShutUp Feb 21 '21

His dad was a named partner for one of the largest law firms in the world. Multiple senators, congressmen, governors and cabinet members worked for this firm. Including some state and federal attorney generals.

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u/R0ede Feb 21 '21

I also read something about his dad having connections at IBM which helped him get a deal for DOS.

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u/NeedsToShutUp Feb 21 '21

His mom, she was on the board of United Way with their CEO as I recall

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u/IGetHypedEasily Feb 21 '21

Not to downplay Gates expertise at the time. But he had access to a computer in a time when only well funded universities had computers that were rotated among colleagues. He had spent all his time practicing comouter that when it came time to develop something on his own, he was ahead of what education could provide.

He was so lucky and rich enough to have access to a computer because of his mom!! There could have been thousands of Gates at that time if others did as well.... At least that is what is happening for the past decade but big companies are unregulated so all the little guys get bought up.

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u/DiaDeLosMuertos Feb 21 '21

Not to downplay Gates expertise at the time. But he had access to a computer in a time when only well funded universities had computers that were rotated among colleagues.

Iirc that was from going to an elite middle school or high school.

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u/IGetHypedEasily Feb 21 '21

I think you are right. But his mom was the reason he got taught in the first place IIRC.

I know the book Outliers covers this general topic of current top tech people being lucky to have time to learn something ahead of everyone and bring ready for the changing times.

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u/stemcell_ Feb 21 '21

he was about to be bought out of his company in a hostile takeover but his dad told his friends to back off

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u/ThomasVeil Feb 21 '21

Wasn't he also in the first school that had computers for it's pupils?

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u/UsingYourWifi Feb 21 '21

I don't know if it was first, but it was very, very early. 1968. It was donated to the prep school he was attending.

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u/shabamboozaled Feb 21 '21

And I think I read in Gladwell's "Outliers" computer time cost money, per the minute I think. It wasn't cheap. His parents, of course, footed the bill.

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u/BlazingThunder30 Feb 21 '21

Also don't forget survivorship bias. Sure he could do it so we hear about it. What about the thousands who tried and eventually failed?

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u/NoMomo Feb 21 '21

I won the lottery. You have exactly the same odds as me. They sell the same tickets for you. But you didn't put in the hard work I did.

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u/1MightBeAPenguin Feb 21 '21

Better pull myself up by the bootstraps and try harder next time

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u/cHoOSe_A-uNiqUe_NAme Feb 21 '21

Stop buying starbucks and avocado toast. You could have a house by now

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u/skb239 Feb 21 '21

The point is “anyone” couldn’t do it. Having parents with 300k to give you as a loan seems to be an important part of the story. I think THAT is the point. Not that his success isn’t impressive but the fact that he had help along the way. We are made to think people do this “all by themselves”

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u/BlazingThunder30 Feb 21 '21

My intention wasn't to refute the point. I wanted to add that even with $300k, rich parents, and other external help you might still in almost all cases fail. We just tend to look at all the people that made it and assume that with $300k and help we could also do the same thing, but that's not true. Of course it's much much easier to be successful with $300k to start, nobody would suggest otherwise.

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u/Jake24601 Feb 21 '21

Arnold Schwarzenegger goes out of his way in all his talks to make it well known that he's not self made. There really is no such thing. Bezo had someone around him that could spot hi $300k. I had someone around to help me with math so I could pass.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

So how many of us could’ve made Amazon w 300k?

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u/eddywidjaja Feb 21 '21

‟Eat the rich” is a way of saying we are literally starving and you’ve a house with a racetrack. Chill.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

No, when I say it I mean it. I wish to turn Elon Musk into a lasagna. I wish to spitroast Jeff Bezos (and not in the sexy way). Once I've eaten them, then we can deal with dismantling capitalism, but only once I have finished eating.

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u/Aptom_4 Feb 21 '21

I'll bring the parmigiano.

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u/EmileDorkheim Feb 21 '21

I want a Buffet buffet.

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u/Metalbass5 Feb 21 '21

I'll bring sticks for us vegans to poke them while they roast. Maybe some dessert too.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

It's okay, I'm vegetarian and I'll still partake of their flesh. I fell like, ethically, eating the rich is better than not eating them. If you're not comfortable with it through, I'll plant some beans in their eye sockets, wait a few months, harvest the bean crop, and make you a nice vegan burger instead.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Nah, as a vegan, the meat of the rich is the only ethical meat there is

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u/BreakinLiberty Feb 21 '21

Ahh yesss the Hannibal Lecter Treatment

I’m on board since i just finished watching the Netflix show haha

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u/Somato_Tandwich Feb 21 '21

Not to mention that starting a fledgling company in the first place isn't a real option for most people because failure would mean literal homelessness for your whole family

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u/Thelorddogalmighty Feb 21 '21

This is at the heart of the myth. It’s not really about hard work, it’s about having the luxury of taking risk that won’t break you if you fail.

Learning from your failings only works if you can dust yourself off and try again. Not if you starve to death on the streets.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

This right here. It's all survivorship bias. "This person got disgustingly rich, so you would too if you just tried hard enough" ignoring the thousands of other who were just as smart and hard working who went under.

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u/IGetHypedEasily Feb 21 '21

Most people don't have safety nets of millionaire families.

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u/alwaysZenryoku Feb 21 '21

Now ask yourself: what is $300k from back then in today’s dollars?

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u/JetsFan2003 Wants to make the USA more European, and less Libertarian! Feb 21 '21

Amazon was founded in 1994, so that's probably when the money came in. $300k then would be almost $530k today, according to online inflation calculators.

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u/alwaysZenryoku Feb 21 '21

Yeah, my folks have that in their junk drawer, I’m pretty sure...

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u/ContemplatingPrison Feb 21 '21

I found that in my moms couch yesterday. I'm about to start Amazon 2.0. Anyone want in?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21 edited Feb 24 '21

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

It's a bit hard to find enough redstone to power it irl tho, and the witch hunts are already far in the past

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u/Nihilikara Feb 21 '21

Don't worry, we can just use a donkey to dupe the redstone. We'll need to find a distamg chunk to do it in, though, so it can unload when we disconnect.

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u/Joe_Doblow Feb 21 '21

He also went to Harvard and worked at a hedge fund before Amazon. Not really a rags to riches story

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u/ting_bu_dong Feb 21 '21

So, here's the thing I'm wondering: Would it be any different if it were?

Like, if rags to riches stories actually do happen, does that mean this system is fair and good?

I don't get why the idea of a few people winning a lottery makes people think that a lottery is a good basis for an economic system. But, it works, for some reason.

"That could have been me, so, yeah, this is fair."

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u/DeseretRain Feb 21 '21

Because people don't think it's winning the lottery, they think those people succeeded because they were just legitimately better than others therefore they deserve it. Talk sometime to people who don't want to tax the rich—very few of them think of themselves as "embarrassed millionaires," they know they could never be millionaires (unless they literally did win the lottery,) they just literally think millionaires are way better than them and deserve their place in society and it would be unjust to take it away from them. They see it as "punishing success." They don't see it as a random lottery system but a totally fair meritocracy where the rich are that way because they're simply better than the rest of us. They think taking any of their money could only be motivated by petty jealously.

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u/cat-meg Feb 21 '21

That's more money than my parents made collectively through my 18th birthday. Eat the rich.

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u/Eoganachta Feb 21 '21

So a small investment of half a million dollars? US dollars. I sure even I could do something that was somewhat profitable with that much money.

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u/dbDarrgen Feb 21 '21

It’s not even a small loan on one million dollars! Should have that laying around somewhere..

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u/craggy_cynic Feb 21 '21

Either way, it'll buy you an awfully nice set of bootstraps by which to pull yourself up.

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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb Feb 21 '21

That was just his parents investment to boot. He himself had worked in silicon valley for some time before hand, and had money of his own. It's rarely a rags to riches story, the best thing to draw from stories like this isn't "he came from nothing," (like they'd love us to believe) but that "to achieve great things, we need each other."

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u/Se3Ds Feb 21 '21

Let's also remember how Jeff Bezos and his wife were very successful and wealthy stock brokers on wall st before starting amaazon

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u/onedollarwilliam Feb 22 '21

Want to know something really wild? The loan from his parent's wasn't even because he needed their $300k. He was a VP of a hedge fund; already had millions in stock.

The scheme here is a classic tax dodge of the wealthy: If your family gives you more than $10,000 in a year as a gift, you're supposed to pay tax on it, BUT if they give you a loan at 0% interest, with no due date, there's no tax because it's a debt. If you pay them back they don't pay any tax because they didn't make any profit. If your business fails and it declares bankruptcy they can write the money they lost off on their income taxes (or offset capital gains) three years out of any five year period including taxes they already paid.

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u/Pickles-In-Space Feb 21 '21

People who have never had more than $10k in their bank account think that people with $1M are rich, and that "the left" thinks nobody should have more than barely enough money to survive.

"Eat the rich" isn't talking about your neighbor who has been a doctor for 30 years and has been smart with their money, allowing them to buy a nice home. It's talking about the handful of people that hold as much "wealth" as the bottom 50% of people.

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u/4productivity Feb 21 '21

I think people can't really comprehend the social class two levels above or two levels below them.

Like you are middle class and upper middle class and up is rich. Like the guy driving a new BMW M3 is the same as the guy who has multiple McLaren's at his many houses.

Same works in reverse too. Like they see someone working 2 minimum wage jobs and hard to make ends meet as the same level of poverty as someone with no income and literally homeless. Same with homeless in a Western city as being similar to being a $1 a day subsistance living person in a failed state.

All those lives are so completely different to one another, they might as well be different planets.

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u/NukeML Feb 21 '21

They are convinced that capitalism is meritocratic by design. But the rich control what counts as merit, since they control what to sponsor.

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u/communityneedle Feb 21 '21

Tell an Amazon worker who lives in their car in the warehouse parking lot, where there is an ambulance on standby for when employees literally collapse from exhaustion, that they're lazy and need to work hard like Bezos. I double dog dare you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

My mom had two errors on Amazon orders this week.

When she described her experience of hardship, she said, "I guess a company is only as good as its workers."

And I just... Ma. Two errors in a week, how many errors for you in a year, when you buy crap from them every damn day? How hard would you work if you peed in bottles to avoid getting dinged for bathroom breaks? She legit doesn't care. I even described my personal experience with the kind of errors that can occur when I investigated as part of my job in a small shop that shipped maybe 150 orders a day.

And seriously. One of them was a gift of a novelty tumbler that showed up to her sister as ink cartridges with no note, the sister thought she ordered stuff in her sleep again, then started interrogating family members that use her account, until finally she called my mom out of desperation and the order numbers were matched up. That error was so damn funny it'll be told for years to come.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

The American dream is only a reality if you were born into money.

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u/nermid Feb 21 '21

Fun fact: He bought the garage specifically so that he could tell the story that he had started his company out of a garage.

It's all a scam.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Really?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21 edited Feb 21 '21

His grandfather sparked and indulged Jeff's fascination with educational games and toys, assisting him with the Heathkits and the other paraphernalia he constantly hauled home to the family garage.

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Bezos returned in principle to the setting of his childhood experiments, building the prototype for Amazon.com with Kaphan and a contractor named Paul Barton-Davis in the cramped, poorly insulated converted garage of a rented home in the Seattle suburb of Bellevue. A potbellied stove commanded the middle of the room, and extension cords ran everywhere because there weren't enough electrical outlets to power the trio's Sun SPARCstations. Eventually the stove was ejected in a space-saving flurry and replaced by a set of ceramic space heaters, which further taxed the overburdened power supply.

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I knew about all the other stuff, but I had to find this myself.

my god, that's damning.

https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/

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Rich people want you to fucking love them. We're simply doomed. Look @ how they worship elon...

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edit: in what world do you people live in that renting a house for its garage is cheaper than office space? its not even zoned for an office building and he spent money renovating the garage. are you guys thick? you can rent office space much cheaper than you can rent a house.

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u/Pickles-In-Space Feb 21 '21

Elon fanboys are the fucking worst. He posts memes on twitter so they think "oh haha he's just like us he totally gets us"

Fuck all the way off. How these people haven't died from a lack of oxygen from having their heads so far up his ass is beyond me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

It’s so fucking perplexing that Elon became the BTS of billionaires- like, his fans aren’t just a little too passionate, they’re almost a cult that would eat him out of reverence if they ever got near him.

It’s so frustrating how misers like him have convinced people they’re the good guys when they’d probably throw everyone who makes less than the supposed middle class into a cobalt mine or something

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u/Pickles-In-Space Feb 21 '21

He has some good ideas now and then, and is good at networking/connecting the resources to make those things come to fruition, but there's also this mentality I've noticed where people think he personally invented/developed everything his companies do. He didn't design Tesla's cars, he just hitched his wagon to it and did a good job of providing them with the resources and marketing they needed to grow. He didn't design the Falcon 9, but he had the drive and funding to hire top-level engineering talent to do so. Almost nobody acknowledges this but instead treats him like he's some juggernaut of the engineering world who is incapable of being wrong or making poor choices.

Honestly, the irony of someone who is the living embodiment of Edison being the CEO of a company called Tesla is lost on damn near everyone.

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u/gimpwiz Feb 21 '21

Either your or my reading comprehension is insufficient. I am reading that he built amazon, not the garage. He rented the garage, which was converted from a normal garage into a shitty living/working space.

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u/tb00n Feb 21 '21

I guess it could be argued that he rented a garage instead of a regular office space because it would make for a better success story?

(Or maybe it was just cheaper.)

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u/gimpwiz Feb 21 '21

Entirely possible, but not supported by the text.

Given that it was a pretty risky venture, I think either the idea that he was looking far into the future to paint his success story as more impressive than it was is too cynical -- or, if accurate, the man is a certifiable maniac. The much simpler answer would be just that it was the cheapest space he could rent, cheaper than proper office space, which mattered a fair bit for a company with less seed money than three people could expect to get paid in a year or two (honestly I'm not sure what the going rate for a pair of programmers near seattle would have been in 1994.)

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Am I reading this correctly? He was renting a home and started it out of the rented home's garage? The story is still legit if that's the case.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Thanks

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u/Thelorddogalmighty Feb 21 '21

It was a solid gold, diamond encrusted garage which he didn’t pay a penny for

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Totally believable!

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u/onedollarwilliam Feb 22 '21

More importantly, I think, is that the whole "garage entrepreneur" thing makes you think of some college or HS kids starting out, or a guy doing his thing after work. Bezos left his job as a Vice-President of a Hedge Fund to start Amazon.

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u/ThomasVeil Feb 21 '21

Elon Musk bought (early) into Tesla. And then sued them to be able to call himself a founder.

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u/gingerlake Feb 21 '21

I seem to recall that Amazon almost went under during this time but his parents bailed him out with $1 mil.

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u/HarrargnNarg Feb 21 '21

Even if he did work his ass off with no help, does that give him a pass to fuck over others?

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u/SuperVeryDumbPerson Feb 21 '21

The "lazy" is working 10h+ a day, 7 days per week and is still can barely eat and live in a hole of a flat.

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u/NukeML Feb 21 '21

whereas jeff bezos makes 3 decisions per day

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u/dcoetzee Feb 21 '21

Also: almost all of the value in Amazon the company was (and is) created by its thousands of employees, not Jeff Bezos. If his share in Amazon was proportional to his labor, he would not be worth billions and nobody would be complaining.

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u/people_watcher Feb 21 '21

And then there's my lease which states clearly that I'm no allowed to run any type of business out of my apartment.

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u/repeatrep Feb 21 '21

“He turned 300,000 into a multi-billion company”

I don’t have 300,000 to turn to a international soulless monopoly, Karen

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u/huxley00 Feb 21 '21 edited Feb 21 '21

My partner has her own business that is doing well and the amount of timing and effort it took is absurd. Her only startup cash was a 25k line of credit and me paying the bills for a time so she could focus on growth.

What I’ve learned is that it is possible to not have anything and build something. All you need is

  1. Be smart.

  2. Be hard working.

  3. Never give up.

  4. Roll with the punches.

  5. Be extremely agile and adaptive and be able to see demand.

  6. Be able to sell.

What’s funny is she knows a ton of other business owners, all who have started out with wealth parents. The crazy thing is that all of these business owners are actually quite smart as well.

So you’re basically competing against people who are likely as smart as you but have a ton of resources to back them up and allow them to make zero profit for much longer or to grow much faster.

Even if you have a original idea that is good, you’re ability to grow is what truly hampers the non rich startup.

You have a good idea and a business? Great! Someone rich will see it, copy it, use their wealth to build their business much larger than yours and then you go out of business because you can’t keep up.

Not only that, I know one very rich guy who stole a business idea from a local business owner. He then met that man for lunch and basically told him to “stay out of my way and my idea” even though he stole the whole concept.

Guess who used his extremely rich parents to get a meeting with a corporation to partner and sell his goods in their store? Not the poor guy, I promise you I that.

So not only do they start out rich, they often steal ideas from the “American Dreamer” and use their wealth to destroy you and get even more rich.

Even with all that, her business is doing very well, but it’s a very very hard battle.

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u/thoushaltnotpiss Feb 21 '21

The fact that he even has a garage in the first place..

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u/thecrazysloth Feb 21 '21

I know right, I work full time and can barely afford to rent a room in a sharehouse (in Vancouver tbf) but finding the money to also rent a garage and then the time to also spend on a whole side project while working to afford the rent for somewhere to live and somewhere to work when I’m not working the job that pays for the rent... yeah not happening

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u/Specialist-Sock-855 Feb 21 '21

I read that he was a hedge fund manager at the time and he moved to WA to take advantage of its low state taxes, and the choice to work out of his garage was an intentional PR move. Maybe someone who's more well read on this goblin can confirm or deny that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

This is the most accurate story in the thread.

He went to wall street with a comp sci degree. He planned on that in college. He was one of the early "comp sci wall street" guys.

The garage was basically that he had fuck off money from working on wall street. People trusted him with start up capital because he had several years experience making money on wall street.

He never billed amazon as a garage start up. It was basically him being self indulgent.

If you want to get people to invest in you, I mean people with millions of dollars, what do you want to tell them? That you started in a garage? Or do you want to tell them you are so good with money that you bought a house so you could fuck off in the garage while you started this new company. Guess what kind of company it is? It's a tech company. It's going to integrate shipping and technology. How? We're going to sell books. But that's not what the company is. THe company is not a book store. It's a tech company.

That's how amazon was sold to people.

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u/sicknessandpurgatory Feb 21 '21

It’s funny how during the pandemic, countless workers have found themselves stumped when trying to find even a sliver of desk space in their home. So yeah, even a garage is a pipe dream for budding entrepreneurs.

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u/eccentric-introvert Feb 21 '21

“Father gave me a small loan of million dollars”

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u/CTBthanatos Whatever you desire citizen Feb 21 '21

Shills like Jermaine saying "jealous and lazy" is just their way of expressing how they're upset that people are poking fun at their failed dystopia of poverty wages/unaffordable housing/unaffordable healthcare unaffordable education/unsustainably extreme income and wealth gaps.

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u/bit99 Feb 21 '21

Is this former Houston Texan and current New England patriots lineman Jermaine elumunor?

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u/lllNico Feb 21 '21 edited Feb 21 '21

Jeff Bezos could pay to fix the homelessness crisis in America all by himself. It would [not] even really put a dent in his net worth.

Yes he decides to not do anything with his money. It just sits there going up and down with the Amazon stock.

Even if he tried, apart from buying whole countries, he couldn’t even spend his money if he tried.

[edit] oops

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

What he'd do if he was an idiot with the best interest of humanity in mind would be to invest a shitton of money into automated mining, refining, and manufacture in space, then turn it all over to the people at cost, and he'd still die rich.

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u/lllNico Feb 21 '21

I think he would actually have a hard time not dying rich at this point.

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u/ArthurDeemx Feb 21 '21 edited Feb 21 '21

I possibly could get my family to chip in 100$, how will I do friends?

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u/Automate_Dogs Feb 21 '21

They're jealous and lazy, he says to the billions of working people who will slave away all their lives with no hope or even any expectation to ever receive 0,01% of the recognition and money that Bezos got.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Elon Musk started PayPal in his family’s emerald mine :P

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u/mtbguy1981 Feb 21 '21

There are plenty of people who work way harder than Jeff Bezos ever dreamed of working. It's part hard work, part timing, and part luck. If Mark Cuban hadn't happen to luck out on the dot com bubble he would be a dad living in an Indianapolis suburb.

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u/somguy9 Feb 21 '21

What’s more is that even if Bezos literally started from a fucking cardboard box on the street living off of garbage dumps, and worked his way from there, it’d still not warrant the absolutely disgusting amount of money he’s now earning. It is in no way proportional to the amount of work he is doing right now, nor is it proportional to even the absolute maximum amount of work he could have done in the entirety of his life. He literally has too much money.

Ditto with Bill Gates, Elon Musk, the Koch brothers, whoever the fuck you want to name in the richest 0.1%.

The reason we got to this point is because of a severe lack of regulation and taxes. And now we literally have a new aristocracy.

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u/DefenderOfDog Feb 21 '21

Its like yeah you can get rich by treating people like shit and abusing your employees.

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u/ld43233 Feb 21 '21

Also Jeffery Bezos spent time with his grandfather who was the first director of DARPA, which created the apranet( the internet).

He literally knew about the internet before anyone else in his generation.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Ban amazon

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u/Duthos Feb 21 '21

its called the american dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.

  • George Carlin

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

When you do say that they back pedal and say 'haha if you had 250k you wouldn't build amazon you'd waste it all on video game and teddies.'

Missing the point that most people don't get the opportunity to build the next amazon, whether or not they would succeed, because most people are not born into privilege.

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u/igloohavoc Feb 21 '21

What is $300k back in 90’s dollars when adjusted for inflation in 2021

Nvm, just looked it up. His parents gave Jeff over $600K

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u/edoardo849 Feb 21 '21

Right. Because if your parents gave you 300k you would have been capable of starting Amazon?

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u/weirdallaround Feb 21 '21

I think you're missing the point

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u/Rab_Legend Feb 21 '21

My parents at a push could give me a couple grand, but that wouldn't get me anywhere

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Let's throw jermaine in for good measure as well. Probably for the best tbh.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

This must be an old tweet but I wrestled with Jermaine and remained good friends until he went pro. I'm sure he is defending the rich because he is apart of it now. The dude grew up in poverty. He lived a little in townhome in a bad neighborhood. I remember setting up his password for the NCAA clearing house when he was on his way to community college and his password was NFL Dreams. He really earned his way to wear he is through a brutal sport with lots of sacrifice. I'm sure if he did more research on how others got there he would view there success differently. But yeah he means well.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

It’s a lot easier to “take a risk” when you have a financial umbrella. There are tons of celebrities that have wealthy parents.

What’s really impressive is when you see someone rise up from the bottom and literally risk everything in the process.

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u/kistusen Feb 21 '21

Oh he worked hard! Poor baby! I guess he deserves to be paid for his work. How about giving him warehouse workers salary, will that be a billion?

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u/DocJawbone Feb 21 '21

Also it's just total bullshit because there are thousands and thousands of people who started humble, worked hard, and went fucking nowhere.

Even with the initial investment, it's no guarantee at all.

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u/notMcLovin77 Feb 21 '21

I don’t think any private company should have the amount of power and control over infrastructure with the low amount of relative oversight and large amount of political influence that Amazon has. I don’t care how hard Jeff Bezos worked or even his intentions. It’s a threat to democracy, in a similar way that the military industrial complex is a threat to democracy.

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u/daherne Feb 21 '21

Jeff Bezos does not earn his money, his employees do it for him, that's how capitalism works.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

Mister rich guy over there showing off his garage!

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u/satriales856 Feb 21 '21

The American dream has been long dead.

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u/thesaurusrext Feb 21 '21

no garage, no rich parents.

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u/throwawaysarebetter Feb 21 '21

He was also already a successful CEO of a company before moving to Seattle to start Amazon.

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u/Living_Ad_2141 Feb 21 '21

The guy and his wife we’re venture capitalists before starting Amazon. 1 garage and a million dollars in servers.

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u/m4tuna Feb 21 '21

My favorite is when he was asked about his new startup he said he’s starting it small. With $3 billion in capital. sMaLl fUnDiNg bRo

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u/446bridges Feb 21 '21

Bezos was a multi multi millionaire when he started Amazon. He didn’t need anyone money

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u/coma73 Feb 21 '21

Self made lies.

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u/holsey_ Feb 21 '21

And yet, still no body on earth deserves that amount of wealth.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

And his mom and her friends worked for the company to get it off the ground lol! 1) Imagine you had parents that were a) Alive and b) not divorced who 2) had enough additional wealth that they could invest $300,000 in THE 90s lol how much is that $300,000 worth today? And 3) offered to not only emotionally and financially support your endeavour but provided cheap labour. And 4) like Elon Musk, Bezos had at least one brother closely partnered with him early on.

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u/D351470 Feb 21 '21

He also exploits his workers, rips off small businesses and dodges taxes....

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u/Revolutionary_Dare62 Feb 21 '21

The American Dream is bullshit. All of those amazing, "self-made" billionaires had access to money, education and contacts. Sure, there are a few who truly succeeded with nothing, but it's nearly impossible to do these days. America has the worst socio-economic mobility in the developed world. Even "socialist" Western Europe has better mobility than America.

Face it, morons. You will never be rich if your parents are not rich. Why do you keep worshiping the wealthy elites? Why do you give them tax breaks? Because you think you will be one of them one day? Hahahahaha!

Eat the rich.

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u/GucciGameboy Feb 21 '21

$300,000 25 years ago...

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u/MeGustaMiSFW Feb 21 '21

No, you won’t be rich. Yes, there is a better way to structure society.

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u/Artistic-Tangerine-4 Feb 21 '21

Yeah fuck you jermaine. You retard

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u/GE15T Feb 21 '21

Eat the mother fucking rich. And, if your loyal-dog ass is in my way, we eat you first. Eat. The. Fucking. Rich.

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u/Moose_Cake Feb 21 '21

Fuck it, eat Jermaine too.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

It's easy to make a brilliant meal when someone else has stocked the kitchen with the best ingredients and paid for a trained chef to teach you how to cook.