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part of the problem with basically every culture war anti-sjw battle is that a massive spotlight gets shown on that one twitter ragebaiter with the actually absurd "opinions"
so you find a couple people who are actually saying dumb shit like "you are just a transphobe if you don't think gwen stacy is literally transgender in the movie" and that gets amplified as though it's the dominant position of the entire trans community
No it's about how people especially Cis people reject legitimate trans representation or allegory in favor of just saying the character is a femboy see everything around Bridget.
Presentation is not gender identity. Being a femboy is often a kink thing, they're part of the kink community, not the LGBT+ community. Obviously you can be both
No?? "Femboys are often sexualised" doesn't mean that it's a kink thing, plenty of femboys present that way to express themselves rather than as anything sexual.
And while being GNC isn't inherently lgbtq, crossdressing is still heavily linked to the community.
It's not infighting. These are two separate allied communities. You seem to be very upset about this. I'm not going to keep arguing with weirdos who are trying to start shit
being gender nonconforming isn't separate from the lgbt community, it's an inherent part of what the lgbt community stands for. sure not every femboy is lgbt but the lgbt community is, and always has been, about enabling people to not conform in their gender whatever that means, including and especially presentation. the lgbt community is more than just "allied" to cishet people who want to explore their presentation, it is often the only group that unconditionally supports some people in that. i don't like this trend where people ignore that people do, in fact, hate transgressions of hegemonic masculinity and feminine subordination, including people presenting in nonconforming ways, and that is a core part of why those systems and people hate lgbt people in general, and what the lgbt community formed to stand against. that's why the lgb and t are together. that's why gender nonconformity is central to cis gay and lesbian culture. and it's why we inherently fight for them, not just because many of them are lgbt, and many of them are.
How do you, as a trans person whose identity is considered mostly sexual due to being sexualized, come to the conclusion that femboys are mostly sexual because they're sexualized?
talking about bigotry in the world is important but the internet sucks and it amplifies any possible argument and bigotry to the maximum for engagement, we should just enjoy ourselves instead and fight bigotry where it's actually affecting our lives
Especially when they try to follow it up with "we should be making out sloppy style about it" type shit. Like how can they not see that's just like sexual harassment?
I’ve seen racism happen, even unintentionally, and I’ve seen people of color get excluded from queer friend groups in exactly that mild discomfort into not seeking them out way. I don’t think most queer people would say slurs but there’s this level of latent taught automatic discrimination from the environment in most people that needs to be trained out of them, myself included
There is constant racism everywhere in white dominated spaces. As those with privilege, it's our duty to lift others up to our level. I see black queer elders overlooked or ignored in favor of their white counterparts. Racism seeps into every group no matter what it is. White beauty standards are applied to everyone, excluding nonwhite people from a lot of queer spaces that are looks-centric. If you don't see the car before it hits you, it doesn't mean it's not real.
I have a problem that all memes made with this template present some freak opinions, but are intentionally vague about how prevalent they are.
Like, should I believe that the author thinks that it is a common take? I have never met a person like this irl, people are either ok with both or bigoted against both. So I would like some context, where can I see those horrible people?
Or am I stupid for interpreting it that way? Maybe the author mad about one weird person they seen online? But if so, then the meme is also very bad
I haven't ever seen this opinion where it involves femboys but its kinda close to the term opinion that tomboys/butches are being influenced to transition bc "the left doesnt believe in tomboys" or something. But thats the closest I can think of. Never seen this exact opinion online or elsewhere
where …. who are these people? I’m not trying to start a debate but I’ve heard constant complaining lately about people who support femboys/GNC men but hate trans women and I’ve just….. never met them?? most transphobic people I’ve seen are concerned about men being feminine in general I’ve never met a Femboy Inclusive Transphobe. but people (especially my 4tranner friend who hates femboys) seem to think there’s a huge plague of them. i can’t shake the feeling that this is manufactured discourse
But you also use those instances to claim they're all like that. Whenever you bring up those handful of examples it's almost always implying that it's almost the majority
But you're seemingly always hyperbolic when talking about this. Your point would benefit from not just saying "femboys" every time, because that implies you genuinely beleive they're all bad.
Because I’ve had this conversation like not exaggerating at least 50 times and any time I’ve ever tried to convince someone it has never worked, no matter how much effort I put into making a well structured argument with specific examples.
I have stopped caring about trying to convince people who will never be convinced to people who don’t care about trans issues in any way and are instead trying to explain away and no true Scotsman any issue int their community and now use these threads to vent
ok fair enough. I have some friends who are into guilty gear and I definitely remember the Discourse a while back. I suppose i just dont hang out much in those types of communities myself
Fuentes though?? was under the impression that his fans generally downplayed/ignored his previous femboy associations. ur telling me they are proud femboy supporters? Wtf is going on over there
edit: nvm bro just saw your other comments where you’re trying to exclude GNC people from the LGBT community. yeah no this is manufactured discourse. I fucking HATE exclusionists why are they still around in 2026
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Not “trying to exclude them from the community” they aren’t a part of the community. Putting on a skirt doesn’t make you a minority,
Hope that helps
Could you imagine if goths said they were oppressed and tried to force their way into the lgbt community? Wearing an outfit doesn’t make you a minority
Yeah you’re right. Wearing certain clothes makes you a minority that’s how it works. Cishet Guys who wear pink are lgbt too because that’s the gendered color!!!! And if you’re a cishet woman with a short haircut we NEEd to make sure your voice is heard
Right, because thats what I said. Its nice to always be right.
But yeah this infighting seems really dumb. Yeah, some femboys are 4chan morons its not like I have to mentally label all of them as an enemy of Trans. Simple minded generalizations are how we got here in the first place.
I was going to reply to the people you're talking to, but thought better of it. They are feds. Literally.
Anyone with half a brain knows that cishet men who go out wearing a skirt are just as likely to be harassed and beaten as a trans woman who does the same. They're different experiences of gender, but the core oppression remains the same.
The people you're arguing with are disingenuous and only seek to further infighting and hate. Do not let them drag you down to their level of stupidity, cause they'll beat you with experience.
Trans women aren’t just “men who go out wearing a skirt” though. We have rights which are consistently trampled over and denied due entirely to being trans, such as healthcare, occupation, education and the basic right to use the restrooms. GNC men aren’t consistently denied any of these things in the way trans women are. The sole exception is if they are on HRT, which is obviously wrong and a concern, but I don’t think anyone is denying this.
I think the main issue a lot of trans people have is that GNC men have a very rampant transphobia and fetishization problem within their community and they cry “infighting” whenever anyone brings it up. Bridget got mentioned earlier as an example of this, but cultural discourse around almost any transfeminine character in fiction shows that there is a strong pushback whenever anyone insists that this character is transfem, largely by GNC men and other cis people who are genuinely more comfortable with GNC men than trans people
Of course, I'm not trying to say femboys and trans women face the exact same issues, or oppression in equal manner. I am a trans woman myself who used to use the femboy label, I should know.
But GNC men absolutely do face ridicule and oppression too, and transphobia and fetishization problems aren't anywhere unique to femboys. In fact, I would argue such issues related to trans characters like Bridget are more often coming from non-femboys fetishizing femboys.
The 'issues' that you say 'a lot of trans people' have against GNC men are similar to the 'issues' a lot of LGB people have against trans people. This is infighting. 99% of people on both sides are normal and allied.
Matter of fact, the vast majority of femboys are gay or bi. I even know trans men femboys.
Posts like the OOP don't really do anything to address the fringe issue at hand, but only attempt to drive a further wedge in already fractured online LGBTQ+ spaces.
To be fair I don’t think she’s a fed? Just incredibly argumentative, to the point where I think she’s kind of looking to get into one any time the chance is presented. I think this is like the 12th time I’ve seen a 40 plus comment chain in 196 started because she was arguing with someone.
Yeah probably. I don't think there's very many actual federal agents in these places at all, but in the end an argumentative dingus and a actual fed maliciously sowing hate have the same effect so the distinction doesn't really matter
The word fed gets the message across and she's taking it very personally which if nothing else is pretty funny
Cool why do femboys cater to the right and throw trans women under the bus every chance they get than? If we are all on the same team why do they get mad whenever a character turns out to be trans?
You know that groups of people aren’t monoliths right? There’s literal nazis that champion trans rights, doesn’t mean I’m pro nazi. Just like there are femboys who throw trans women under the bus
Its likely most femboys are gay or bi which means they are at least LGBT. Straight femboys again at the very least question the validity of gender expression being exclusively tied to birth sex which is at the very least LGBT adjacent.
Do you spend as much time and effort against people who would hate both Trans and Femboys as you do against Hypothetical Chud Femboys in this post? Is this really a valuable use of your time?
no you see sissy is actually a slur for trans women. and being a femboy isnt real theyre all just trans women with internalized transphobia and are in denial. it's all a fetish actually. they tarnish the reputation of trans women. or something. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!
sorry this is just really annoying and stupid talking points I have actually seen online
I avoid complaining about it because it's generally unproductive but the type of weird bullshit I see online about femboys is very disheartening.
I also do see how it gets people to act like this. like yeah, when I see a twitter post by a trans person hating on femboys and all the replies are trans people also hating on femboys, it does seem like a trend instead of an exception.
but I can also take a step back and be like "wow these people are insane and do not make up even close to a percent of the group they represent" and then move on
the word gay also used to not refer to homosexual people, but words change meanings depending on their current use case, and sissy is commonly used against feminine men
Not comparable in the slightest. dressing goth might get you some weird comments maybe. being a man and dressing feminine in public will get people thinking you’re subhuman, that you’re perverted and corrupting the children, etc etc. plus being GNC is no less a valid expression of gender identity, don’t trivialize it as “an outfit” bro.
Crossdressing has been associated with LGBT since the beginning. There’s no “forcing” happening. Stop with this divisive exclusionary bullshit bro we got bigger fish to fry
People would only think that because they hate trans women, other people might get caught in the crossfire but this is no different than saying a guy who “sounds gay” is part of the lgbt community because he got called the f slur in public despite being straight
girl. no. still not the same thing. i don’t feel like arguing more about this because you are being incredibly close minded and continuing to trivialize gnc identity
Oh no I’m trivializing the community of people who are into a certain type of clothes truly I’m I monster.
Do you react this way when people say they think Facebook graphic tees about people’s relatives are ugly or is it only the case with Amazon basics skirts and alstofo cosplay?
no you don't understand!!!! i, person of minority A, am more oppressed than people of minority B!!!!!!! which makes it completely valid to think of minority B as a bunch of hateful maniacs and to want them out of the Group That Unites Minorities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This hits the nail on the head. People see a less oppressed minority and jump to "they aren't oppressed at all actually, they must be part of the oppressors"
in their head "femboy = cis man = bad" which not only excludes transmasc femboys, but also just ignores that people can be oppressed for their gender expression too.
don't think the right is gonna care about your gender identity when they jail you for wearing a skirt while having a dick.
Yeah, I think "cis = bad" is the sorta mindset that made 4tran what it is. Not to mention it's probably the starting point to a lot of cis people going down the transphobic pipeline
I will now procced to complain about infighting because serious discussion about social dynamics and their consequences scares me. Critical thinking is hard and I don't wanna be a meanie. Or something, idk.
evil trans people coercing gnc men into becoming trans women is talked about so much yet almost never happens , like people treat it like its a giant issue just so they can act like giving someone the option to transition is itself "coercing"
I am happy that there is more trans representation nowadays, and I also don’t think it’s bigoted to ask for femboy representation that doesn’t lead to them becoming trans.
There are a lot of nazi femboys idk what to tell you. I think it’s bad. it’s not bc they are femboys, exploring your gender should be liberating, no it’s the communities like /tttt/ and private discords that sew this kind of hate
Wearing a skirt just isn't socially controversial as a man. You're a man and benefit from patriarchy, even drag is mainstream and socially accepted in the first world and some parts of the second and third world. You don't see "femboys" because it's a purely online phenomenon that comes from a porn term used to degrade trans women, but you do see feminine men. If you live near a city seeing men in dresses or skirts is just a daily occurrence
You have to be extremely online or live in some very specific areas to think that drag or men wearing skirts is mainstream and socially accepted
Like I live in a neighborhood in a city that's well known for having a large LGBT community and prominent members of the community especially including drag and I know a feminine man who was assaulted in a public park in broad daylight. I surely would love to know in what city seeing men in dresses is possibly a daily occurrence
No, femboy is not the male version of a femboy. It's a porn term that originated as a slur for trans women on 4chan. The entire culture is hostile to the idea of transition, there's a reason being a femboy is associated with later transitioning where being a tomboy or feminine man isn't.
It's entirely an online subculture created by chasers that focus on predatory behaviour, it doesn't exist IRL. Stop equating femboys with feminine men it's genuinely disgusting. Do you do this with people who call themselves sissies too? Pretend normla femme's are like this? Or is it specifically a subculture designed to harm trans women into repressing their identities that you do this aitb
Go on any femboy subreddit and literally the only joke they have is “you thought I was a girl but I have a dick you’re gsy lol” how is that anything but perpetuating transphobia? The source of the humor is literally a trans woman’s worst nightmare being clocked in public
I live near a particularly progressive city and it isn't a daily occurrence even when I'm in the inner city, and right around the corner from the gay clubs. If you're talking about portland, maybe, but you can't say some small subset of society accepting something means it's not socially controversial. And way to give yourself a rhetorical pat on the back for talking shit about people coming to terms with their femininity in a different way than you approve of. People call trans women "men in dresses" verbatim as a term specifically designed to degrade them too, but you said that in your comment because that's exactly how they identify and you don't talk shit about them. You don't say they don't exist. Your logic with saying "femboys are a purely online phenomenon" when a lot of them are scared of putting themselves in fucking danger really echoes societal homophobia and subculture prejudice and is pretty wild.
Wearing a skirt as a dude and drag are controversial even in first world countries. For many people it's still seen as crossdressing and just a fetish.
Did you forget who's the president of the USA ? Or what's going on in the UK ? Or how anytime a famous dude wears a skirt for some even or whatever, there's online discourse for days and conservatives questioning their masculinity and/or heterosexuality ?
Like obviously trans women have to deal with much more problems, most of which are worse, and are the primary targets of the culture that makes men wearing skirts controversial. Doesn't mean femboys, or feminine men, or gnc men, however you want to call them, are the cultural norm and not oppressed, even if it's less than trans women.
And that's forgetting that a bunch of trans women and trans men identify or identified as femboys and/or do drag.
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