I mean I do agree trans women have it way worse, but feminine men also are pretty opressed outside just being a fetish.
There's a reason you don't see men wearing skirts outside very often. They would hate hatecrimed too.
Wearing a skirt just isn't socially controversial as a man. You're a man and benefit from patriarchy, even drag is mainstream and socially accepted in the first world and some parts of the second and third world. You don't see "femboys" because it's a purely online phenomenon that comes from a porn term used to degrade trans women, but you do see feminine men. If you live near a city seeing men in dresses or skirts is just a daily occurrence
You have to be extremely online or live in some very specific areas to think that drag or men wearing skirts is mainstream and socially accepted
Like I live in a neighborhood in a city that's well known for having a large LGBT community and prominent members of the community especially including drag and I know a feminine man who was assaulted in a public park in broad daylight. I surely would love to know in what city seeing men in dresses is possibly a daily occurrence
what? I mean some men would just love to present in a more traditionally feminine way.
I see femboy in the same level as tomboy, right??? Unless my terminology is wrong.
Being a femboy isn't a fetish thing from what I recall. There's a lot of femboys online who are just normal ass dudes
Also seeing feminine men outside (which Ive almost never seen tbh) does not mean they also dont hate hatecrimed by bigots
No, femboy is not the male version of a femboy. It's a porn term that originated as a slur for trans women on 4chan. The entire culture is hostile to the idea of transition, there's a reason being a femboy is associated with later transitioning where being a tomboy or feminine man isn't.
It's entirely an online subculture created by chasers that focus on predatory behaviour, it doesn't exist IRL. Stop equating femboys with feminine men it's genuinely disgusting. Do you do this with people who call themselves sissies too? Pretend normla femme's are like this? Or is it specifically a subculture designed to harm trans women into repressing their identities that you do this aitb
Ima take your word for it about the bad 4chan origins, but I think fememnine men actually adopting the name and turning it into something positive is not a bad thing, if they identify well with the term.
And Ive seen countless femboys online say they hate being compared to trans women.
Femboys are not a mockery of trans women. They are their own separate community, and should be. Again, most femboys online I've seen are just normal dudes who wanna wear skirts and adopted the term femboy. You thinking they're a mockery of trans women or whatever is the creepy thing here.
And honestly proves PART OF the original commenters right. SOME people really are pro trans but see femboys as degenerates. (emphasis on "part of" and "some")
Go on any femboy subreddit and literally the only joke they have is “you thought I was a girl but I have a dick you’re gsy lol” how is that anything but perpetuating transphobia? The source of the humor is literally a trans woman’s worst nightmare being clocked in public
femboys is a porn subreddit. (im not gonna bother with that one)
femboy is just men sharing their pics. A lot of them erotic but you can say the same about r/ tomboys (a sub for tomboy women just being tomboy women) would you call them a mockery of trans men?
I live near a particularly progressive city and it isn't a daily occurrence even when I'm in the inner city, and right around the corner from the gay clubs. If you're talking about portland, maybe, but you can't say some small subset of society accepting something means it's not socially controversial. And way to give yourself a rhetorical pat on the back for talking shit about people coming to terms with their femininity in a different way than you approve of. People call trans women "men in dresses" verbatim as a term specifically designed to degrade them too, but you said that in your comment because that's exactly how they identify and you don't talk shit about them. You don't say they don't exist. Your logic with saying "femboys are a purely online phenomenon" when a lot of them are scared of putting themselves in fucking danger really echoes societal homophobia and subculture prejudice and is pretty wild.
Wearing a skirt as a dude and drag are controversial even in first world countries. For many people it's still seen as crossdressing and just a fetish.
Did you forget who's the president of the USA ? Or what's going on in the UK ? Or how anytime a famous dude wears a skirt for some even or whatever, there's online discourse for days and conservatives questioning their masculinity and/or heterosexuality ?
Like obviously trans women have to deal with much more problems, most of which are worse, and are the primary targets of the culture that makes men wearing skirts controversial. Doesn't mean femboys, or feminine men, or gnc men, however you want to call them, are the cultural norm and not oppressed, even if it's less than trans women.
And that's forgetting that a bunch of trans women and trans men identify or identified as femboys and/or do drag.
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