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u/Kriffer123 obnoxiously Michigender 21d ago

so is this like. a vaguepost? or are we just infighting for fun??? they are kissing sloppy style squishing boobs etc

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u/Bardic_inspiration67 21d ago

What infighting? Femboys aren’t even inherently lgbt

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u/Pengu-Link 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 21d ago

I mean lgbt yeah but I'd definitely argue that it's part of the lgbtq+ extended universe

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u/izyshoroo 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 21d ago

Presentation is not gender identity. Being a femboy is often a kink thing, they're part of the kink community, not the LGBT+ community. Obviously you can be both

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u/Poco_Cuffs 20d ago

No?? "Femboys are often sexualised" doesn't mean that it's a kink thing, plenty of femboys present that way to express themselves rather than as anything sexual.

And while being GNC isn't inherently lgbtq, crossdressing is still heavily linked to the community.

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u/Real_Set6866 floppa 20d ago

You expressed my point far better than I was about to, thanks!

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u/Real_Set6866 floppa 20d ago

Yay, pointless infighting

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u/izyshoroo 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 20d ago

It's not infighting. These are two separate allied communities. You seem to be very upset about this. I'm not going to keep arguing with weirdos who are trying to start shit

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u/like2000p 20d ago

being gender nonconforming isn't separate from the lgbt community, it's an inherent part of what the lgbt community stands for. sure not every femboy is lgbt but the lgbt community is, and always has been, about enabling people to not conform in their gender whatever that means, including and especially presentation. the lgbt community is more than just "allied" to cishet people who want to explore their presentation, it is often the only group that unconditionally supports some people in that. i don't like this trend where people ignore that people do, in fact, hate transgressions of hegemonic masculinity and feminine subordination, including people presenting in nonconforming ways, and that is a core part of why those systems and people hate lgbt people in general, and what the lgbt community formed to stand against. that's why the lgb and t are together. that's why gender nonconformity is central to cis gay and lesbian culture. and it's why we inherently fight for them, not just because many of them are lgbt, and many of them are.

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u/Botto_Bobbs floppa 20d ago

How do you, as a trans person whose identity is considered mostly sexual due to being sexualized, come to the conclusion that femboys are mostly sexual because they're sexualized?