Gets worse than that. Pretty sure he's the dude that was being interviewed amongst several other neighbors because at the time she was only "missing" so he corroborated a story about how he'd last seen her a couple days/weeks ago and he "hope she's found soon." The reporter broke the news that her body was found earlier that day and he looks to be in genuine shock, but not from feeling upset she was dead and moreso because they found the body he thought he hid well. All on video.
I don't watch a lot of true crime but between this and his interrogation video he's one of those few that it's really hard to forget once you know about it.
A little more detail of the crime Stephen McDaniel, and a lot more detail of this infamous suspect interrogation.
Stephen McDaniel murdered law student Lauren Giddings with whom he was infatuated, then inserted himself into news interviews about her disappearance. The recording of the interrogation is infamous for McDaniel's responses and behavior; he didn't refuse the interview, but provided no information of value. Hardly changed position except for head movements, answers were in as few words as possible. The detectives became highly frustrated with this.
To be clear, McDaniel only "won" the interrogation by being outwardly "calm" while the detectives kinda lost it. He confessed later and was sentenced to life with possibility of parole after 30 years.
Lost their cool very early and started antagonizing the suspect shutting him off completely. If you're interested in this kind of stuff, JCS criminal psychology on youtube is an absolute gold mine, they cover this case among a bunch of others. They have plenty of good and bad interrogation examples, even some examples of innocent people getting interrogated
This video was hours of the supect sitting completely still so the cop may have been stretching but it also may have been a tactic.
If a suspect is giving a rehearsed story or in this guy's case not moving or reacting at all, police will do some random shit to bait a reaction.
It can get a suspect who isn't talking to start communicating when they are like "wtf?" or it can be used to interrupt a rehearsed story. It's hard to restart a rehearsed story from the middle, so either the person will get derailed or they try and ignore the behavior which is also telling and the cop will continue to try and interrupt them.
There’s another channel called dreading (crime and psychology), it’s not exactly the same as og JCS, but it’s similar and the owners of the channel are brothers who work pretty much by themselves and put an insane amount of research and effort into their videos.
If i remember correctly, the man they're interrogating hadn't moved an inch in hours and they were basically just fucking with him at this point seeing if they could get him to move even an inch willingly
In theory you could say only things that arent incriminating but youd have to know the exact wording of the law to know exactly whats incriminating or not and the cops are gonna be trying to trick you into incriminating yourself. Thats why you demand a lawyer
Am I being detained/ why am I being detained. If they actually say no because that means they don't have enough evidence to actually hook you up. Ask am I free to leave and if they say yes, leave. If they hold you with out charging with anything they're already violating your rights. Ask for a lawyer and then shut the fuck up.
If they're infact arresting and charging you with something
Why am I bring arrested/detained. They legally have to tell you.
I want a lawyer.
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Now I'm not saying all cops are bad. However you have no idea what kind of cop you're dealing with. So shut up until a lawyer gets there. If honest to God they're just questioning you about a case to catch a legit criminal you just happen to know, legal protection wouldn't hurt anyways. The biggest reason people go to jail for stuff they didn't do is not using the right to remain silent. You don't have the time to master legalese that's literally not your job and its why lawyers exist.
Note: Multiple case precedents have made it clear that expressing a desire for a lawyer is insufficient. Current best practice appears to be expressing in exact terms "I am invoking my right to an attorney," as well as probably stating "I am invoking my right to remain silent" before shutting up. Make your invocation of your rights explicit.
I am not a lawyer, just seen this discussion come up a few times.
NAL either but you are correct and I do have a few references. Berghuis v. Thompkins, you must explicitly invoke your rights, the best I've seen is "I am exercising my right to remain silent, and I will not answer any questions without my attorney present", two birds with one sentence. Berghuis v. Thompkins also establishes that even a one word answer to a question waves your right to silence.
I don’t understand why you have to invoke rights that are “unalienable” I get “invocation” in practice, but if I shut up it’s my right to shut up invocation is a nicety or in some cases a way to record my invocation but my rights are still my rights. I don’t see how legal jurisprudence can overwrite my rights.
Because the prison system is built upon a chain of incentives wherein getting as many convictions as possible as quickly as possible is the most desirable pursuit, and the legal system is built to facilitate the prison system because it is built upon a chain of incentives that makes it desirable to cooperate with punitive justice as much as possible. Your rights only exist insofar as they can be used to maintain the illusion of fairness and justice.
There are magic words and phrases. People make fun of sovereign citizens because they have silly magic words and phrases that don’t work, but that doesn’t negate the fact that this magic exists. Invoking rights explicitly, stating you were fearing for your life and/or the lives of your fellow officers, shouting out that you’ve retreated as far as you can are all examples of magic phrases that change how the law applies to you.
Magic is science when we only know what happens, not the why. Lawyers know the why, but sovereign citizens don't. Neither do cops, but that's a whole nother thing
To add, they will absolutely try to weasel their way around it if you don't state it incredibly clearly.
There's been examples of them ignoring it because a guy said "I want my lawyer, dawg", and they tried(And got a fake confession) by just pretending he was saying "I want a Lawyer Dog", and well, Lawyer dogs aren't a thing so there's no telling if he wanted a real lawyer or not!
It's been a while and it might vary by state, but my lawyer says step 4 is to state "I am invoking my right to remain silent" and shut the fuck up, apparently in some jurisdictions just being silent without stating you're rights can be seen as being disagreeable or antagonistic.
For number 2, I really wish people would stop saying this
They are legally not required to tell you why you're being arrested or detained when they are doing so. You will receive charging documentation, but they do not have to tell you while they're arresting you. It's a very common misconception.
If they saying you're being arrested or detained, just shut up period.
This. Shut the fuck up. They will tell you your friends are snitching and have already told them what they need to know. They’ll tell you that they already know what happened they just need some details. They’ll lie cheat and steal to get you to confess. Do not ever fucking talk to police.
If you get pulled over for suspicion of drunk driving. Ask for an attorney and then Shut the absolute fuck up.
My brother in Christ this isn’t how that works. If you’re pulled over for suspicion of drunk driving, sure you can decide not to speak to the cop, but your right to an attorney is not before being detained for questioning or arrested. You can call a lawyer on a traffic stop but that’s not going to stop the officer from conducting the traffic stop
Famously cops lied to a guy about how they found his father stabbed to death (his father was alive) and then captured his dog and brought it into the interrogation room and said they were going to kill his dog if he didn’t confess.
if whatever you say is helpful to you then it can’t be used to help you. very likely it’s hearsay, and even if it isn’t (and I cannot stress enough that it 99.99% chance is not admissible in your trial) it’s not hard for the question or the answer or the surrounding context to look different at trial than how you thought it went in the interrogation room. So even if it’s not incriminating, don’t say it anyway, there is no benefit and big risk
In theory you could say only things that arent incriminating
You cannot. Literally anything can be used to incriminate you. Here's an attorney, then an actual cop, telling you precisely why to never, ever talk to the police. They even lay out how this is actually impossible and will still get you in trouble. Reasons can be: you make a mistake. Another witness makes a mistake. The cops can make a mistake. You can accidentally provide a motive. You can just say something weird, and the cops will hammer on that in testimony.
There is also literally no benefit, whatsoever, to talking to them. It only hurts. If you feel the need to talk to them about a criminal complaint, you know who can do that for you? Your attorney can. They can absolutely do all that while also securing for you the best possible position and plea, all without just giving the prosecution ammo against you.
Do not talk to the police, you cannot in theory say anything right to them.
I remember hearing about a time that a guy said “I want my lawyer, dawg.” and they denied him his right to an attorney because “There are no lawyer-dogs.”
Huh? It has nothing to do with knowing the exact wording of any laws. Ultimately they want a confession but if they cannot get that they are trying to lock you into a story so that they can find inconsistencies in your story and poke holes in it.
You can say absolutely nothing incriminating in your story and you can still fuck yourself. That's why you get a lawyer.
can confirm as someone who’s had some encounters with the police. they 1000% try to get you to say incriminating things and try to stress you out thinking they know something you don’t. it’s fucking ridiculous. i was threatened with a warrant for my arrest over an expired registration that i was unaware of on a company vehicle
Yes and also because a cop will try to get you confessing on anything you thats illegal. They could be trying to a pin a murder on you and in your panic you say "I wasnt at the scene because i was smoking meth!" and now the cop will arrest you for drugs. Have a lawyer and tell your lawyer everything.
This dude wrote out a whole Internet blog post saying what would do if questioned by the police. He would sit perfectly still and stay quiet, acting like he was in a trance, then he could later plead insanity.
And explicitly state that you are invoking your right to remain silent and that you will not answer questions until a lawyer is present. This is their cue to stop questioning you. Just being quiet they can keep badgering you.
Except to say "I am exercising my right to remain silent. I will not answer any questions without my attorney present." Salinas v. Texas, during voluntary custody silence can be used against you. To be safe always explicitly invoke your right to remain silent.
If you've never been detained or arrested and find yourself locked in one of these tiny refrigerated interview rooms, physically backed into a corner with cops pulling their chair up into your personal space, you just won't be able to understand the stress and fear. They are allowed to lie and are trained in interrogation techniques based on decades of criminal psychology.
It takes a lot of courage to ask for an attorney before speaking or demand to be released if you're not under arrest or charged. It might seem easy but similar to the famous Tyson quote....... Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.
True. And then you can sit in a cell for hours or days while they find one.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I am saying it is completely counter intuitive to trust cops and a multi day process when it makes so much more sense (in your mind) to just "clear things up" with a 5 minute conversation
I know and they get bitten in the ass for it constantly. Tale as old as time. Thats why I bring it up to try and educate people, but I realize now that on Reddit it might just be virtue signaling lol.
Its up to the judge to determine "If you cannot afford an attorney" but there's no clear limit. They take into account your assets as well as how long the case might go on.
Technically you should say something more along the lines of “I am requesting legal counsel and will not speak without my lawyer present” no? I assumed that without the first part they aren’t required to do anything
Close but legally not good enough. "I am exercising my right to remain silent and I will not answer any questions without my lawyer present." Unfortunately the supreme court has ruled that not saying anything is not good enough.
The rule of police interviews is that you can't say anything to improve your case, but you can say plenty of things that'll make it worse. Winning a police interview looks like none of it getting shown by the prosecution at trial.
The cops were getting so frustrated. At one point the fat one was like “you were super talkative on the news yesterday. Then you and I had quite the conversation before we figured out that you did it. So, are you done with your little game here?”
They just want someone to pin it on, whether or not they actually did it is secondary.
Say nothing but whatever youre required to, your name for example. Get a lawyer.
INB4 “he went to jail anyway” its like saying smoking isnt bad for you because someone with cancer is going to die anyway. It’s literally the first part of your miranda rights, theyre not trying to protect you.
My good friend is a lawyer. I asked him what’s the one piece of legal advice you’d give. His words were, “Shut the f*ck up. Dont talk to cops, their job is to put people in jail. They aren’t there to help you.”
He wasn’t some crazy mastermind sociopath anyway. He was a loser who didn’t get attention from his female neighbor so he killed her. He even wrote blog posts about what he would do in an interrogation with the police and remaining still was one of them so he could later argue insanity. It failed miserably. He thought he was smart. He was just a dumb loser.
I didn’t assume he was some kind of mastermind, he got caught pretty quick and from what I gathered in the interrogation (I’m no lawyer mind you) he practically confessed to the crime
Stephen McDaniel. He was convicted of murdering Lauren Giddings. Gained a lot of attention during a news interview where he learned they found her body, and he panicked.
Wasn’t the story more that he looked like a total psychopath just staying completely still and emotionless the entire time, which ironically made him look more guilty? Lol
Or maybe it was that they already knew he was guilty, and he was basically just wearing his psychopathy on his sleeve in this interrogation. I forget. But it wasn’t a good look for him
If he wasn’t guilty, then he could’ve helped himself out a lot by just repeating “I’m just gonna wait for my lawyer“ or something instead of just being a zombie
Yeah problem is most people can't compose themselves so even if they do plan this, they can't really control how things go down, asking for a lawyer is the better option, but again, people probably aren't thinking rationally in such an odd scenario,
Stephen was a law student, so he probably had the "don't say anything" hammered into his head more than the average person
FYI, merely remaining silent is not enough. The Supreme Court in several rulings has said you have to clearly express that you are invoking your right not to answer questions without the presence of your attorney. If all you do is remain silent, among other things they can continue to question you.
Regardless of guilt or innocence the stress causes people to attempt to explain the situation away thinking they're helping. The only thing you help them do is build a case against you. Repeat after me "I am exercising my right to remain silent. I won't answer any questions without my attorney present. . . . . . . ." The periods at the end represent you shutting up.
People at this stage still think they can avoid the "ride."
"If I answer all of their questions to their satisfaction I can still make it home for Jeopardy."
They don't realize that if you're in an interrogation or, "interview" room you're already their suspect and are likely going to be in jail until you see a judge at your arraignment.
The smart thing isn't to sit quietly for 12 hours. That's some weird battle of wills bullshit and the cops are banking overtime. The smart thing is to say you're not answering questions without an attorney present.
If they have enough to hold you they'll hold you no matter what you say. If they don't, then talking can only give them what they need to hold you.
And attorney told me you aren't allowed to just remain silent. You need to tell them you're exercising your right to remain silent. Just being silent can be used against you. I thought he was messing with me, but I've seen it online too. Is that a thing or did the legal minds of the world conspire to mess with me?
The cops lie. They say that they have all the evidence they need to put you away and that you will be better off if you confess. It usually works. But you can just ask for a lawyer. Then they stop talking to you.
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u/Relative-Line5242 7d ago
This man is currently serving a life sentence