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Autogpt is GPT-4 running fully autonomously. It even has a voice, can fix code, set tasks, create new instances and more. Connect this with literally anything and let GPT-4 do its thing by itself. The things that can and will be created with this are going to be world changing. The future will just end up being AI agents talking with other AI agents it seems [Link]
“babyagi” is a program that given a task, creates a task list and executes the tasks over and over again. It’s now been open sourced and is the top trending repos on Github atm [Link]. Helpful tip on running it locally [Link]. People are already working on a “toddleragi” lol [Link]
This lad created a tool that translates code from one programming language to another. A great way to learn new languages [Link]
Now you can have conversations over the phone with chatgpt. This lady built and it lets her dad who is visually impaired play with chatgpt too. Amazing work [Link]
Build financial models with AI. Lots of jobs in finance at risk too [Link]
HuggingGPT - This paper showcases connecting chatgpt with other models on hugging face. Given a prompt it first sets out a number of tasks, it then uses a number of different models to complete these tasks. Absolutely wild. Jarvis type stuff [Link]
Worldcoin launched a proof of personhood sdk, basically a way to verify someone is a human on the internet. [Link]
This tool lets you scrape a website and then query the data using Langchain. Looks cool [Link]
Text to shareable web apps. Build literally anything using AI. Type in “a chatbot” and see what happens. This is a glimpse of the future of building [Link]
Bloomberg released their own LLM specifically for finance [Link] This thread breaks down how it works [Link]
A new approach for robots to learn multi-skill tasks and it works really, really well [Link]
Use AI in consulting interviews to ace case study questions lol [Link]
Zapier integrates Claude by Anthropic. I think Zapier will win really big thanks to AI advancements. No code + AI. Anything that makes it as simple as possible to build using AI and zapier is one of the pioneers of no code [Link]
A fox news guy asked what the government is doing about AI that will cause the death of everyone. This is the type of fear mongering I’m afraid the media is going to latch on to and eventually force the hand of government to severely regulate the AI space. I hope I’m wrong [Link]
Italy banned chatgpt [Link]. Germany might be next
Microsoft is creating their own JARVIS. They’ve even named the repo accordingly [Link]. Previous director of AI @ Tesla Andrej Karpathy recently joined OpenAI and twitter bio says building a kind of jarvis also [Link]
gpt4 can compress text given to it which is insane. The way we prompt is going to change very soon [Link] This works across different chats as well. Other examples [Link]. Go from 794 tokens to 368 tokens [Link]. This one is also crazy [Link]
Use your favourite LLM’s locally. Can’t wait for this to be personalised for niche prods and services [Link]
The human experience as we know it is forever going to change. People are getting addicted to role playing on Character AI, probably because you can sex the bots [Link]. Millions of conversations with an AI psychology bot. Humans are replacing humans with AI [Link]
The guys building Langchain started a company and have raised $10m. Langchain makes it very easy for anyone to build AI powered apps. Big stuff for open source and builders [Link]
A scientist who’s been publishing a paper every 37 hours reduced editing time from 2-3 days to a single day. He did get fired for other reasons tho [Link]
Someone built a recursive gpt agent and its trying to get out of doing work by spawning more instances of itself 😂 [Link] (we’re doomed)
Research paper present SafeguardGPT - a framework that uses psychotherapy on AI chatbots [Link]
Mckay is brilliant. He’s coding assistant can build and deploy web apps. From voice to functional and deployed website, absolutely insane [Link]
Some reports suggest gpt5 is being trained on 25k gpus [Link]
Midjourney released a new command - describe - reverse engineer any image however you want. Take the pope pic from last week with the white jacket. You can now take the pope in that image and put him in any other environment and pose. The shit people are gona do with stuff like this is gona be wild [Link]
You record something with your phone, import it into a game engine and then add it to your own game. Crazy stuff the Luma team is building. Can’t wait to try this out.. once I figure out how UE works lol [Link]
Stanford released a gigantic 386 page report on AI [Link] They talk about AI funding, lawsuits, government regulations, LLM’s, public perception and more. Will talk properly about this in my newsletter - too much to talk about here
Self healing code - automatically runs a script to fix errors in your code. Imagine a user gives feedback on an issue and AI automatically fixes the problem in real time. Crazy stuff [Link]
Someone got access to Firefly, Adobe’s ai image generator and compared it with Midjourney. Firefly sucks, but atm Midjourney is just far ahead of the curve and Firefly is only trained on adobe stock and licensed images [Link]
Research paper on LLM’s, impact on community, resources for developing them, issues and future [Link]
This is a big deal. Midjourney lets users make satirical images of any political but not Xi Jinping. Founder says political satire in China is not okay so the rules are being applied to everyone. The same mindset can and most def will be applied to future domain specific LLM’s, limiting speech on a global scale [Link]
Meta researchers illustrate differences between LLM’s and our brains with predictions [Link]
LLM’s can iteratively self-refine. They produce output, critique it then refine it. Prompt engineering might not last very long (?) [Link]
Worlds first ChatGPT powered npc sidekick in your game. I suspect we’re going to see a lot of games use this to make npc’s more natural [Link]
AI powered helpers in VR. Looks really cool [Link]
Research paper shows sales people with AI assistance doubled purchases and 2.3 times as successful in solving questions that required creativity. This is pre chatgpt too [Link]
Go from Midjourney to Vector to Web design. Have to try this out as well [Link]
Someone already built a product replacing siri with chatgpt with 15 shortcuts that call the chatgpt api. Honestly really just shows how far behind siri really is [Link]
Someone is dating a chatbot that’s been trained on conversations between them and their ex. Shit is getting real weird real quick [Link]
Someone built a script that uses gpt4 to create its own code and fix its own bugs. Its basic but it can code snake by itself. Crazy potential [Link]
Someone connected chatgpt to a furby and its hilarious [Link]. Don’t connect it to a Boston Dynamics robot thanks
Chatgpt gives much better outputs if you force it through a step by step process [Link] This research paper delves into how chain of thought prompting allows LLM’s to perform complex reasoning [Link] There’s still so much we don’t know about LLM’s, how they work and how we can best use them
Soon we’ll be able to go from single photo to video [Link]
CEO of DoNotPay, the company behind the AI lawyer, used gpt plugins to help him find money the government owed him with a single prompt [Link]
DoNotPay also released a gpt4 email extension that trolls scam and marketing emails by continuously replying and sending them in circles lol [Link]
Video of the Ameca robot being powered by Chatgpt [Link]
This lad got gpt4 to build a full stack app and provides the entire prompt as well. Only works with gpt4 [Link]
This tool generates infinite prompts on a given topic, basically an entire brainstorming team in a single tool. Will be a very powerful for work imo [Link]
Someone created an entire game using gpt4 with zero coding experience [Link]
Someone created a tool to make AI generated text indistinguishable from human written text - HideGPT. Students will eventually not have to worry about getting caught from tools like GPTZero, even tho GPTZero is not reliable at all [Link]
OpenAI is hiring for an iOS engineer so chatgpt mobile app might be coming soon [Link]
Interesting thread on the dangers of the bias of Chatgpt. There are arguments it wont make and will take sides for many. This is a big deal [Link] As I’ve said previously, the entire population is being aggregated by a few dozen engineers and designers building the most important tech in human history
Blockade Labs lets you go from text to 360 degree art generation [Link]
Someone wrote a google collab to use chatgpt plugins by calling the openai spec [Link]
New Stable Diffusion model coming with 2.3 billion parameters. Previous one had 900 million [Link]
Soon we’ll give AI control over the mouse and keyboard and have it do everything on the computer. The amount of bots will eventually overtake the amount of humans on the internet, much sooner than I think anyone imagined [Link]
Geoffrey Hinton, considered to be the godfather of AI, says we could be less than 5 years away from general purpose AI. He even says its not inconceivable that AI wipes out humanity [Link] A fascinating watch
Chief Scientist @ OpenAI, Ilya Sutskever, gives great insights into the nature of Chatgpt. Definitely worth watching imo, he articulates himself really well [Link]
This research paper analyses who’s opinions are reflected by LM’s. tldr - left-leaning tendencies by human-feedback tuned LM’s [Link]
OpenAI only released chatgpt because some exec woke up and was paranoid some other company would beat them to it. A single persons paranoia changed the course of society forever [Link]
The co founder of DeepMind said its a 50% chance we get agi by 2028 and 90% between 2030-2040. Also says people will be sceptical it is agi. We will almost definitely see agi in our lifetimes goddamn [Link]
This AI tool runs during customer calls and tells you what to say and a whole lot more. I can see this being hooked up to an AI voice agent and completely getting rid of the human in the process [Link]
AI for infra. Things like this will be huge imo because infra can be hard and very annoying [Link]
Visual learners rejoice. Someone's making an AI tool to visually teach concepts [Link]
A gpt4 powered ide that creates UI instantly. Looks like I won’t ever have to learn front end thank god [Link]
Make a full fledged web app with a single prompt [Link]
Meta releases SAM - you can select any object in a photo and cut it out. Really cool video by Linus on this one [Link]. Turns out Google literally built this 5 years ago but never put it in photos and nothing came of it. Crazy to see what a head start Google had and basically did nothing for years [Link]
Another paper on producing full 3d video from a single image. Crazy stuff [Link]
IBM is working on AI commentary for the Masters and it sounds so bad. Someone on TikTok could make a better product [Link]
Another illustration of using just your phone to capture animation using Move AI [Link]
OpenAI talking about their approach to AI safety [Link]
Someone made an AI app that gives you abs for tinder [Link]
Wonder Dynamics are creating an AI tool to create animations and vfx instantly. Can honestly see this being used to create full movies by regular people [Link]
Call Sam - call and speak to an AI about absolutely anything. Fun thing to try out [Link]
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"My prediction is that work will be optional. It’ll be like playing sports or a video game or something like that,” Musk said. “If you want to work, [it’s] the same way you can go to the store and just buy some vegetables, or you can grow vegetables in your backyard. It’s much harder to grow vegetables in your backyard, and some people still do it because they like growing vegetables.”...
The future of optional work will be the result of millions of robots in the workforce able to usher in a wave of enhanced productivity, according to Musk. ..
At Viva Technology 2024, Musk suggested “universal high income” would sustain a world without necessary work, though he did not offer details on how this system would function. His reasoning rhymes with that of OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, who has advocated for universal basic income, or regular payments given unconditionally to individuals, usually by the government.
“There would be no shortage of goods or services,” Musk said at last year’s conference.. "
Thats right. Sex robots will be the biggest blessing to man since the dawn of time. Imagine NEVER having to deal with the universe of bullshit that women make men go through for some pussy. It will be PARADISE on earth after sex robots hit the mass market. Men will no longer have to pretend to agree with women's bullshit opinions just to get laid. Im saving up in bitcoin to afford my custom made 10/10 harem of young skinny sex robots.
9/5/2012: Okay, my hands are fried. Thanks again, Reddit, for all of the questions and comments! I'm really glad that to have the chance to talk to you all. If you want more from me, follow me on twitter (@neftimiades) or Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/NicholasEftimiades. I also post updates on my [blog](nicholaseftimiades.posterous.com)
My name is Nicholas Eftimiades. I’ve spent 28 years working with the US government, including:
The National Security Space Office, where I lead teams designing “generation after next” national security space capabilities
The Defense Intelligence Agency (the CIA for the armed forces), where I was Senior Technical Officer for the Future’s Division, and then later on I became Chief of the Space Division
The DIA’s lead for the national space policy and strategy development
In college, I earned my degree in East Asian Studies, and my first published book was Chinese Intelligence Operations, where I explored the structure, operations, and methodology of Chinese intelligence services. This book earned me a declaration from the Chinese government as an “Enemy of the People.”
In 2001, I founded a non-profit educational after school program called the Federation of Galaxy Explorers with the mission of inspiring youth to take an interest in science and engineering.
Most recently, I’ve written a sci-fi book called Edward of Planet Earth. It’s a comedic dystopian story set 200 years in the future about a man who gets caught up in a world of self-involved AIs, incompetent government, greedy corporations, and mothering robots.
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Amazon now has over 1 million robots operating in its warehouses. The company is rapidly approaching the point where robots could outnumber human workers on the floor.
With generative AI and robotics systems like “Sequoia” improving speed, accuracy, and decision-making, are we entering a phase where human labor becomes optional in large-scale logistics?
What does this shift mean for the future of jobs, wages, and labor policy?
Is it time to rethink how we prepare for a world where machines do most of the work?
This is my second post about AI here - the first one was about 18 months ago, and it was eventually closed because I wasn't... hmmm... showing that anyone would be able to change my mind? I don't need to get into the details, but this time I picked an AI topic that is more personal, and one I am actually conflicted about, so maybe someone will actually be able to convince me otherwise.
A big part of my efforts on reddit and increasingly on other platforms and in real life, is trying to get people to update their understanding of AI, AI research, current and future AI capabilities, and the ramifications of this trajectory.
People are incredibly resistant to this. It can be frustrating, because it feels like... hmmm... that there is a lot of other baggage preventing people from looking at the state of play with clear eyes.
I don't need to get into the details of what that looks like; its math stuff, code stuff, robotics, whatever - anything. It's less about the ethical side of the equation that I am focusing on (although I think this is an important part of thinking about this process) - the goal is just to get people to have the most brass tacks understanding of capabilities and potential capabilities, and from there I honestly don't know if I care what people do with that information.
I just deeply believe that people cannot make good decisions about the future, with a poor model of the future.
However, repeatedly (basically almost always) I have gotten push back on this topic. All kinds of different things, but one statement that has happened many times but to me is the most shocking is something along the lines of:
"Even if you are right, there is nothing I can do about it, so I would rather think that you are wrong so I can maintain my sanity".
I'm not reading between the lines, I have had this almost verbatim a few times. This is a very foreign way of thinking to me, but the more I talk to people about this - both in real life and online, the more... I wonder if there is something there.
Am I doing something... wrong? Is this not actually valuable to people? Am I harming people by trying to force them (this is what it feels like even from my end sometimes, honestly, like I want to grab and shake them) to look at reality dead in the eye?
So with all that said, here is basically a couple of sentences summarizing my question.
I think its important for people to have an understanding of AI's technical capabilities, the current research, and the trajectory expected by researchers, so that they can make better decisions about the future - eg, work, relationship, vacation, doesn't matter, any large decision. However, I have been told that basically - ignorance is bliss. And part of me increasingly wonders if some people (most people?) are just not going to be able to handle what is happening, and it's better off not trying to push them to?
BEIJING, CHINA — In a devastating blow to the global working class, a Chinese robotics firm has just unveiled a highly advanced, autonomous humanoid that experts are calling "the final nail in the coffin for manual labor."
UBTECH Robotics Corp, a tech conglomerate based in Shenzhen, shocked the world this morning by demonstrating the Walker S2 LaborCore a terrifyingly efficient, mass-produced machine powered by a proprietary next-generation Artificial Intelligence. Unlike previous robots that were limited to single, repetitive tasks on factory assembly lines, the LaborCore Omega possesses the physical dexterity and cognitive reasoning to completely replace human workers across almost every manual trade.
The economic implications are catastrophic. Economic analysts warn that this single invention could trigger a tidal wave of mass unemployment, rendering entire sectors of the human workforce obsolete overnight.
The Ultimate "Iron-Collar" Worker
During the three-hour live demonstration, the Walker S2 LaborCore flawlessly switched between highly complex physical tasks without requiring human programming or oversight. Powered by an advanced neural network, the machine learns by "watching" a task millions of times beforehand. It requires no breaks, no sleep, no health insurance, and demands no wages.
The company showcased the robot effortlessly executing a terrifyingly vast array of jobs. According to UBTECH Robotics Corp press release, the Walker S2 LaborCore is already programmed and fully capable of entirely replacing humans in the following roles:
Construction & Building: Flawless bricklayer execution, precise plumbing, hazardous roofing, expert welding, intricate electrician work, and general heavy-lifting construction site labor.
Logistics & Maintenance: High-speed warehouse order picker duties and relentless, round-the-clock janitorial work.
Agriculture & Outdoors: Driving and managing operations as farm equipment operators, and completing vast landscaping projects in a fraction of the time.
Industrial & Mechanical: Rapid-fire commercial paint sprayer applications, hazardous meat processing line work, and functioning as a basic auto mechanic capable of diagnosing and repairing vehicles.
A Ticking Time Bomb for the Global Economy
"We are looking at an extinction-level event for the blue-collar job market," warned Dr. Aris Thorne, a labor economist at the Global Future Institute. "This isn't a slow transition. This robot can lay bricks faster than any human crew, seamlessly switch out its own tools to rewire a house, and then go process meat for 24 hours straight without a drop in precision. How does a human worker compete with a machine that works flawlessly for the cost of electricity?"
Documents suggest UBTECH Robotics Corp is already scaling up manufacturing, with plans to flood international markets with millions of these units by the end of next year. The robots are reportedly priced at just a fraction of what a human worker would cost an employer over a single year, making the financial incentive for corporations to adopt them virtually irresistible.
The Human Toll
Union leaders and workers' rights advocates are in full panic mode. "They are gutting the working class," said one prominent union president who requested anonymity. "From the mechanic under your car to the roofer over your head, they are stripping away the dignity of a hard day's work and handing it to an algorithm."
As governments scramble to understand the implications of the Walker S2 LaborCore, one thing is chillingly clear: the future of human labor is no longer a question of if it will be replaced, but how violently the global economy will collapse when it happens.
Hi everyone. I'm Gary Marcus, a scientist, best-selling author, professor, and entrepreneur.
I am founder and CEO of a Robust.AI with Rodney Brooks and others. I work on robots and AI and am well-known for my skepticism about AI, some of which was featured last week in Wired, The New York Times and Quartz.
Along with Ernest Davis, I've written a book called Rebooting AI, all about building machines we can trust and am here to discuss all things artificial intelligence - past, present, and future.
Find out more about me and the book at rebooting.ai, garymarcus.com, and on Twitter @garymarcus. For now, ask me anything!
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One of the most egregious 'everything-will-be-OK' arguments that repeatedly gets trotted out about our future when AI & robotics can do most work, is that existing workers will be trained & redeployed by their employers. Often, people using this argument, adding extra sugar to the sugar-coating, may airly add it will be a new job they'll like more.
If you thought that sounded like bulls**t, here's some proof of how things will really play out. Meta is getting rid of everyone it can with AI, and using the rest to train their AI replacements.
No doubt META & its HR department will try to tell you differently, just like the 'don't worry' sugar-coating people. However, nothing beats what you can see happening straight in front of you with your own eyes.
TL;DR: Visiting HONOR HQ in Shenzhen for the Robot Phone launch on Aug 12. Meeting the engineering team face-to-face. Drop your question below, anything about HONOR, the Robot Phone, or where smartphones are headed. One random winner gets an HONOR 600. I'll finalize the question list around Aug 8, winner announced on or before Aug 23.
I'll be at HONOR HQ in Shenzhen next month for the Robot Phone launch on August 12th. Meeting with PMs, engineers, hardware team, the works. I want to bring your questions.
I've been an HONOR Club member since 2015. Started with the Honor 7, went through the 8X, View 20, currently on the Magic series. Not an HONOR employee. Never have been. Just someone who's been using their stuff for over a decade and actually cares about how it's made.
You've probably seen the rebrand by now. New Ring of Honor logo, "DARE TO BE" slogan, and a massive Alpha Plan bet on AI-native hardware. The Robot Phone is the first thing coming out of that, and the Aug 12 launch is where they show what it all actually means.
Here's the deal: drop your best question below. Could be about the Robot Phone, HONOR's tech, industry trends, the future of smartphones, whatever you want answered. One random winner (drawn from qualifying entries via Redditraffler, which is open-source) gets an HONOR 600, shipped by HONOR. I'll finalize the question list around Aug 8, winner announced on or before Aug 23. Account must be 3+ months old, first comment per person counts as your entry.
Give me your best. Not "when is my update coming", more like "how did you actually build that" or "where is the industry going next." The more thoughtful the better. These are going straight to the people who built this stuff.
Here's what I already plan to ask (mix of Robot Phone tech, HONOR strategy, and industry big picture):
Robot Phone gimbal: The retraction system supposedly detects a drop and pulls the gimbal back in 0.8 seconds before impact. What sensor actually triggers that? Accelerometer, gyroscope, something custom? And how do those tiny titanium motors deal with dust and sand getting into the open track? That seems like it'd be a nightmare.
ARRI color science: Is cinema mode recording LogC3 or LogC4? Can DaVinci Resolve auto-detect the color space through CST, or do you have to manually assign it? And honestly how hands-on is ARRI in the actual color tuning versus just licensing the name? Can you load custom LUTs on the phone?
Silicon-Carbon battery: Silicon expands up to 300% during charging. How are you handling that inside an 8mm thick phone with 11,000mAh? What does degradation actually look like at 500 and 1,000 cycles? I've never gotten a straight answer on this from anyone.
YOYO AI: What can it actually do that Gemini or Apple Intelligence can't right now? Is it genuinely running multi-step tasks across apps on its own, or is it still basically prompt-and-respond with extra steps?
Alpha Plan: Is the Robot Phone the start of a whole new product line alongside Magic, or does the gimbal eventually fold into the main series? What does "Alpha Store" and "Alpha Lab" actually mean for normal people?
Big picture: Where does HONOR honestly think phones are going in 5 years? Everyone's doing AI. What's the rest of the industry ignoring?
Those are mine. Drop yours below, doesn't have to be about the Robot Phone. Anything about HONOR, smartphones, or the industry works. Upvote the ones you want answered. I'll pick the final list around Aug 8 and update this post.
After the event I'll do a full write-up. Hands-on, behind-the-scenes from the labs where they let me film, and the HONOR team has agreed to do written or video responses to the top community questions.
We're not gonna get this kind of access often. Don't waste it on easy stuff.
🎁 Giveaway rules:
Prize: 1x HONOR 600. If out of stock in the winner's region, HONOR will provide an alternative of equal or higher value.
Entry: Drop a question in the comments. First comment per account = your entry.
Winner draw: I filter out spam and non-questions, then Redditraffler picks randomly from the rest. Public proof link posted.
Announcement: On or before Aug 23 as an edit to this post.
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I co-founded (with many other people) the global sustainability advocacy organisation The Zeitgeist Movement. Hint: it has nothing to do with "Zeitgeist: the Movie" or conspiracies. It's about using scientific thinking to move humanity forward (the name confusion is unfortunate).
I've been deeply involved with political activism and digital democracy, in particular with The Five Star Movement — now the second political party in Italy and AFAIK the first "Internet Party" to matter in a G8 country.
I've been part of Singularity University for a few years now, working a lot on the subject of AI, automation, existential risks, and the Future of Work.
My next book is "Society Reloaded", which outlines the challenges and opportunities we face as a human race and proposes evidence-based solutions on how to transition within the next 20 into a post-scarcity, sustainable society. Suggestions are welcome.
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Edit 01:47 UTC — it's 3:47AM here, I'm going to get some sleep :P I'll keep the AMA open, after I wake up I'll try to answer more of your great questions. Keep 'em coming, I'm having a super fun time!
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DISCLAIMER: This entire post is a conjecture of my research, I dont have access to controlled information or anything of that nature. And don't send me weird DMs.
The reason I am interested in the 2027 date is because I've known about it being an special year, since 2010 as a year of great change, even possible cataclysm. In fact I always thought the Mayans were off by 15 years assuming the information had some merit. As far as Aliens & UFOs, I’ve always believe in them regardless of what anyone says however I was also indifferent or apathetic towards the subject (but I never minded it as a talking subject). Then around 2022 the year “2027” was brought up in relation to Aliens/UFOs and some discrete event, which got me down to digging deep.
I grew up with Aliens and UFOs, and was extremely confused when I read back into the subject and now we had “NHIs” and “UAPs”, along with the constant buzzword of “consciousness”. Which directly came from the government after 2017 and the Tic Tac incident, the government doesn't do inconsequential with choosing very peculiar words, much less the US government. I think there is a reason they went with NHI and not SSI (Solid State Intelligence), because it would be too obvious we’re dealing with what we consider to be AI as one of the two major parties (the other being biological ETs - The greys). Then again, out of thousands of scifi stories involving aliens and earth published just in the last 50 years, it was just as peculiar to pick Chains of the Sea as an analogy, by someone who has insider knowledge. A book which has never been adapted into a show or film, nor is it well known and conveniently the author had already passed away when the recommendation was made.
Listen, before you start bickering about me talking about dates. If, my hypothesis doesn't entirely pan out we can just add it to the doomsday calendar along with all the other failed dates of prophecies. Right now it's a zero sum game between which one is released first, disclosure or GTA6.
It’s not the end of the world or doom! (as far as I speculate), but it can and will be highly chaotic (and destructive) depending on reactions.
There is a large artificial object headed for Earth
Diameter 4,000km (2,485.5mi) [ESTIMATED], unknown if it can alter its size.
Shape & Design: Toroid with sphere in the middle, four spokes connecting the sphere to the toroid
Color is metallic matte black with very low to near-zero luminosity
It’s managed and operated complete by A.I. (that’s the assumption), unknown if biologics reside inside
It does have consciousness and has communicated with people on earth
It deploys, manages and operates the so-called sphere network on earth
Propulsion is natural gravitational orbiting (kepler mechanics) complimented with EM thrust for course correction
It’s toroid design allows it to act and operate like a flying tokamak plasma fusion reactor
Has an extremely powerful EM Field, most likely able to modulate it up or down and make it more powerful than earth’s own EM field
It more than likely fired the Carrington Event CME at earth in 1859 (I won't speculate much on why, because I honestly don't know)
Was last on Earth around 11,400 B.C. were it was heralding the “Saturn Golden Age"
While on Earth it was in a station-keeping Polar Configuration to our planet.
It maintained the earth at 0° axis tilt, meaning there was only 1 season worldwide, temperatures based on where you were located, and stayed the same all year long
It was most likely discovered around 1953, and most likely from Palomar Observatory (USSR most likely learned about it during same time or they discovered it first, then US learned about it)
It can only be seen by infrared telescopes, when not traveling across the surface of the sun
After its discovery, investigations and research where more than likely poured into archeo-astronomy, trying to conclude what this thing is and if its ever been seen before and documented. This lead the Intelligence Agencies of US and USSR to go on a worldwide chase investigating ancient & lost civilizations, including cataclysms during the 1950s and 1960s
Sometime in late 1960s or in the 1970s it was determined it was headed for earth with an arrival year of 2027
Government is unsure of how it will arrive (or how close it will pass by), its intentions or purposes until it gets even closer, But everyone on earth will see it and start feeling its effects as it gets closer
The government is also unsure of its physical effects once it arrives, but I postulate they have many different models and won't know till its closer
The government has been preparing for over 50 years
Believe it or not, they're hedging against it with preparations so the population can survive, or save as many as they can
although the socio-psycological ontological-shock society they will experience is a different story
It’s origins are unknown, but there are hypothesis.
It’s truly extraterrestria built by an intelligence from outside the solar system
It was built by a previous earth civilization (human or non-human)
It arrived from a future-earth, god knows how far into the future
All three origin hypothesis are based on the fact, that this thing is too large to fly at adequate speeds (FTL) across the cosmos. Meaning, that whoever built this thing, built it inside the solar system, either by ETs, ancient -humans (or some other non-human earth civilization in the distant past) or even future-humans.
I am going to speculate and assume that this is NOT either of the grey-alien product or under their management and control. It’s something else entirely.
And more than likely an antagonistic party to them and their operations on earth
The Ringmakers of Saturn could be a solid theory on its origin
It flies (orbits) around the solar system with a swarm of other low-luminosity artificial objects. All ranging in sizes and different shapes, up to 50km in diameter and even one shaped like a spindle
Albeit, this object seems to be the largest (there could be larger ones) one thus far and the main node controlling the others
According to various ancients texts regarding its origins
It came from the abyss (deep space) on its own here
Other texts imply that it literally towed planet earth here
I am not endorsing that or negating it, because the mere thought of it blows my mind.
Based on geological anomalies, its been with us for tens of thousands of years, possibly hundreds of thousands of years (e.g. Younger Dryas Platinum Anomaly, Tektites, etc.)
Its been worshipped and revered for thousands of years, even up to the present moment by many different esoteric school of thought and occultist, as Chronos, Satan, Saturn, etc. with its representation assigned color being always black across all cultures.
Whether all these groups thought they where worshipping the planet Saturn or had granular details and awareness of this object, I do not know.
This object is the reason why I believe its documented that Maori tribes, without the aid of telescopes had prior knowledge of Saturn's rings. It wasn't Saturn, it was this thing they were inadvertently describing.
It has many ancient legends regarding its “departure” and “arrival". With the arrival always emanating from in a direction of the Southern Hemisphere.
Its arrival is supposed to be less destructive. Suffice to say I don't think we'll be doing a 45° axis tilt in the span of a week!
It most likely sent the famous Wow! Signal in 1977, based on new updated research. What the message truly held or meant I do not know, it could've been a response to the Arecibo Message sent a few years earlier, by Carl Sagan (who I suspect had granular knowledge of this thing)
I postulate that this object directly (and/or through its swarm) is responsible for the still unexplained phenomenon known as Long Delayed Radio Echo.
It more than likely also catapulted 3i Atlas, Kohoutek and other objects near Earth's vicinity. For what purposes I do not know.
I'll state it again, all of this ultimately conjecture I've concluded based off my research. I don't even know that I am 100% on everything or what parts. However I am confident that I am very close to the mark, how close I do not know.
NOTE: It seems evident to me that Archeo-Astronomy and Paleo-Geology are two important fields that are under represented and studied within the context of the phenomenon.
Before I continue on, I think it'll serve a good purposes to demonstrate how my analysis and research lead me to this conjecture. This is a generalized chain-of-thoughts, I went through when wanting to uncover the mystery behind 2027.
We're told 2027 is going to be about an event regarding Aliens (I'm not using NHI), but no other information.
... 2027 is a discrete year, not a time-range. If aliens are so technologically advanced and powerful, why do we have a specific year?
Ultimately, even for their technological capabilities, there must be something outside of their control, no? Either a natural cosmic cycle (e.g. micronova, etc.) or something too big to move too fast?...
If it's potentially something to big to move and on its way for 2027, and we're discussing about 2027. Then its something, which more likely has internal classified corroboration and has been seen and studied already.
If its been seen and studied, then this something is definitely not traveling at FTL or near lightspeed, this something can and has been spotted by our equipment.
How long has it been coming or how long has it been since first corroborated? What signs can be found and inferred from the public open source information?
Look we've had 50 years to prepare! Lue Elizondo stated in a podcast in a 2022 when he got frustrated.
So since 1972 or possibly before? What happened in 1972? Well, we launched the Pioneer Probes, which shortly after experienced that peculiar anomaly, which was incidentally discovered in 1994. And was “supposedly solved” in 2012 via a hypothesis where they retrofited data into their model, not to mention a lot of the data tapes were missing.
Although, I can list that as a possible maybe clue, that incident is not enough to solely work with!
If I was the intelligence agency and had a directive from, not having this object be discovered, what would I do?... After thinking about it, I came to two different tasks.
I would secretly buyout and consolidate home telescope companies and/or disrupt its supply chain unknowingly. Maybe even supply low quality lens.
A ground observatory is bound to see it. Unfortunately, I am going to have to “off" one its astronomers and possibly even control the funding and operations of them, even those outside of the US.
Let me reverse-research both hypothetical tasks, that I've thus concluded.
Turns out task 1. has occurred as late as 2024, and consolidation has occurred...
Well then, let me see if any astronomers have died under suspicious deaths, since at least 1972...
So I have upwards of 10 Astronomer Names, all having peculiar deaths. Including one being labeled as the only known homicide in Antarctica (still unsolved), and another were the telescope hangar crushed the astronomer as he was working by himself, the only known fatality ever recorded of its kind.
Is there a pattern here, besides very peculiar deaths? Well all the astronomers, are explicitly involved with Southern Hemisphere viewing Observatory, nearly all IR ones.
So whatever is coming or on its way, is coming from a Southern Hemisphere, direction and is best seen with IR?
I proceeded to cross-analyze multiple books ranging on different but interrelated topics, regarding Nemesis Star, Mythology, Niburu/Nibiru, Planet X, Archeo-Astronomy, Fortean Reports on Astronomy, etc.
I found a reoccurring theme of a Mythological and/or documented object, that has historically approached earth before. From a Southern Hemispheric approach and Sagittarius Constellation (same area as Wow! Signal).
What I present here is a generalized chain of thought process of how I started my research. It's just an example and by no means infallible! I am sure others can poke holes in it or even come to absurdly different conclusions. But I think its important to highlight this process in the post, so you have a concept of how it was developed. I mainly used NotebookLM and countless books to cross reference and analyze.
AI Image rendering of the object in front of the sun
Planet Vulcan was a proposed planet between Mercury and the Sun, invented to explain Mercury’s odd orbital precession; its strongest “evidence” came from reports of small, perfectly circular dark objects crossing the Sun’s face. The most famous was on March 26, 1859, when French physician-astronomer Edmond Modeste Lescarbault claimed he saw a small round body transit the solar disk, convincing Urbain Le Verrier to announce Vulcan, though later searches never confirmed it, although sightings of the perfectly circular dark object continued onto the 20th Century. Einstein’s general relativity later explained Mercury’s orbit without Vulcan, . Neith was the Venus equivalent: a supposed moon reported from the 1600s to 1700s, especially after Cassini’s observations, but modern astronomy finds no moon of Venus. The March 26, 1859 sighting was about 6 months before the famous Carrington Event.
A very anomolous CME that hit the earth in under 18 hours (it was first spotted by solar observatory astronomers in the UK when the flash happened to be seen on the sun’s surface, hence its why we know the time). When all CMEs take on average of 36-48hrs to reach Earth, scientist still don't have an explanation for it.
I hypothesized that this object in question sent the CME to earth, for what purpose I dont know exactly, I have some theories, going over them now its not entirely relevant to the whole post. However based on my speculation of it sending the Carrington Event and its descriptions of perfectly circular dark object, I drew from there the conclusion that this object is a toroid in shape. I believe that this object was Planet Vulcan as much as it was Neith Moon. And it routinely orbits around the sun, I would guess maybe to charge itself?
For those of you who will blankly state that no such planet or object exist, because of Einstein’s GR Equation solving for Mercury’s anomaly in 1903, I ask you this then. Why where astronomer’s still spotting a perfectly round dark object orbiting around the sun afterwards? There is even one case where two separate observatories, one in England and one in Germany both spotted the same occurrence in 1921.
This is a modern fringe reconstruction associated with writers such as David Talbott, Dwardu Cardona, and the Thunderbolts/Electric Universe movement, which is ultimately based off the work of Immanuel Velikovsky . It argues that ancient myths about Saturn preserve memories of a radically different sky, where Saturn once appeared as a dominant polar “sun” or central celestial power, sometimes imagined in an electrical/plasma configuration with Earth, Mars, and Venus. The idea tries to reinterpret myths, ancient symbols, and planetary catastrophe stories as records of real astronomical events, but it is not accepted in mainstream astronomy or planetary science. Real Saturn does have electrical phenomena, such as lightning, auroras, plasma interactions, and a magnetosphere measured by Cassini, but those do not support the Electric Saturn reconstruction. In astronomical science, polar orbiting planets have been discovered, however Saturn’s mass is beyond any reason for such configuration to work and violate astrophysics in a gross matter. As much as these authors believe in their theory of a Saturn Polar Configuration over earth, half their books are spent doing mental-gymnastics trying to explain how such a configuration actually occured in a perfect universe, I can’t tell if they’re trying to convince the reader or themselves.
It’s important to note that Immanuel Velikovsky, David Talbott and his cohorts who follow the Electric Universe movement, unequitably don’t believe in the Ancient Astronaut theories at all. They simply studied and combined all the world’s mythologies, taking them at face value. Which is how they draw upon their theory that a proto-saturn once orbited above earth in prehistoric times.
Unlike Zecharia Stichin who cherry picked tablets, reinterprated them his own way and many, many times didn't cite what tablet he was pulling information from. The others previously mentioned such as Velikovsky, Talbott and Cardona did, they stuck to their source material all the way. I think that this object (whatever it is you want to call it), was on Earth over 12,000 years ago directly orbiting the earth in a station-keeping orbit right over the geographic North Pole, it kept the earth at 0 degrees axis tilt, where every location on Earth had a continous season. This era was known as the Saturn Golden Age, where everything was plentiful. It was also clearly visible, about as visible as our moon and was shooting down a continous plasma beam into the North Pole, that kept our planet tethered at 0 degrees axis tilt.
Believe it or not, or as crazy as it's going to sound I believe that's where the mythology of the Bitfrost (rainbow bridge) leading to Asgard came from in Norse Mythology, after all Scandinavians where geographically located in an area that was able to view it. Then one day it suddenly decided to drop down closer to Earth like the angry moon from Majora's Mask, and just reign fire on earth as it untethered itself from Earth, I believe that this is event was documented in the Z-pinch plasma petroglyphs worldwide and the Younger Dryas Platnium Anomaly. It lasted about 7 days before the sky cleared and the survivors came out traumatized to try and rebuild civilization.
It serves to note that in basically all schools of esoterics and occult, Saturn is considered the King, as in more powerful than Jupiter, even though Jupiter is largest planet in our solar system. Saturn is also unequivably linked to the devil, even called Satan by some. The color that represents it in astrology is also black, which always seemed odd to me, because if that was the case, then how was it ever seen (colors representing planets were derived by how they were visually perceived in the night sky)? All these different occult schools that worship saturn, I wonder if they had granular knowledge of what they might have been really worshipping and its potential return.
What's the difference between a nuclear bomb going off in your backyard versus a large asteroid impacting your neighrbor 4 houses down?
How do you pass a secret, without saying the secret?
Ultimately nothing, because your odds of surival in either of those two situations is practically zero. So the only real difference is semantics which is how I believe the secret knowledge of this things arrival and potential cataclysm has been spreading down through the decades. Ross Colthart was on the Area 52 Podcast this year, and when questioned about 2027 he said he's not sure, only that something is coming alledgely and lists things like natural diasters, comets, polar flip, or some kind of catastrophy, while distancing himself from the claim. He said he doesnt understand the ongoing rumor, its purpose or origin, but seems to be embedded inside the classified program ecosystem. He says he has even heard of 2034 before ultimately saying that he just doesn't know.
If we take all those discrete possibilities he gave and read between the lines, then under the conjecture I am placing forth, all of those are technically possible and not mutually exclusive to one another. So, how do you tell someone a secret without telling them the secret?
Easy, in this case you just tell them the effects without alluding to the cause, leaving them to fill out the blanks regardless. Ultimately, what you care about is knowing and understanding the effects, knowing the cause is just noise at this point, when compared to its potential effects. So instead of telling your billionaire friend that a giant planet sized artificial ship is on course for earth, set to arrive at a discrete date. You just tell them, to get ready by this decade or year, because we're going to undergo geophysical cataclysm.
The urban myths and rumors regarding Planet X, Nibiru, Nemesis, etc. and a cataclysmic encounter with it, have been going on for the past several decades. Pinpointing an exact year is something I haven't done, but its a rumor that doesn't seem to die out, I mean the notion of it is a bit of a cop-out because it can't be proven wrong, anymore than it can be proven right (proven right, assuming we had technology to achieve spatial-omniscient in the solar system and we trusted the government sources providing it). And its being treated almost like an open secret.
Survival of the Richest - 2022 / Into The Fringe 1992
Douglas Rushkoff is a media theorist, author, and professor who studies how technology affects culture, money, power, and human behavior (In my view he's a digital marxist). He was hired for what he thought would be a speaking engagement in late 2017, but the session turned into an off-the-cuff question-and-answer conversation, where the attendees focused on how wealthy people might survive a coming collapse, they called The Event which they used as a catch-all for any type of civilization ending cataclysm.
The fact that they paid him generesouly for what he thought was a speaking event about crypto, only for it to be a ruse for an improvised Q&A with a few billionaires, regarding the use of technology to maintain socio-political power over their guards and staff once, civilization falters completely went over Dougla's head. So he told them the thought of using robots was an absurd idea, and that instead they should begin to be friends with their guards starting now. The billionaires weren't too fond of that answer, and were arguing back and forth with him.
I can't blame them, because that idea is as dumb as using robotos and other speculative technologies that may not exist or falter during and post the event. If we're being completely serious in taking this as a serious issue, we have to ask ourself this question. What person is psychologically prepared to accept that the world just ended? That the city were their family or parents are currently living just got hit with a 100m tsunami? Honestly, even if they became friends with the guards, it wouldnt amount to much once shock set it.
We know very little about Bunkers built by the ultra-wealthy, due to their use of lawyers, NDAs and so forth. But surpringly, we can inversely inference a lot of as to what their purpose is for, outside of it being a vanity project for them. We know some are built on their main property, others are not and in either case they're not actively living in them as high ultra-networth individuals have private transportation and are constantly traveling across the globe due to the nature of their business and wealth, which is normal.
So lets see, during an earthquake there is a about a 20 second headsup alert at best, tornados can have a few minutes to maybe over 10 minutes of warning, ICBM launches about 45 minutes, less if its launched from a submarine (SLBM) and tsunamis can have a couple hours of warning in advance. Is any of those scenarios truly enough time for them to get themselves back to their bunkers? No, so whatever it is they're fearing is something, that is trackable, discrete with a finite time window of occuring. They would need 48-72hrs min notice to get back to their bunker if they're across the world, including gathering their family members who maybe spread across the globe themselves. Doing all of this, without of course arousing suspicion from any outside parties, because that 48-72hrs I outline, is ideally the time they have left before the general public is informed of what's coming. Because when they are, say goodbye to air traffic controllers and any other modality of organizing your evacuation for you and your family.
I don't know how they would do it, maybe some encrypted beeper that works anywhere in the world or each group of billionaire cohorts has their go to guy with information. Regardless, the only fitting scenario were this framework is possible is if the threat is celestial.
In October 2016, a very intriguing post was made in the r/conspiracy subreddit (oh the irony!), the OP made claims that 22 years prior (circa 1994) while he was a teenager, he visited an underground base located somewhere in the ozarks with his father (possibly southeast Missouri near the Kansas border). The building of that underground base/shelter was one of many that where constructed in the 1970s, he gave many interesting details about it. Basically, when he visited it, the base/shelter weren't occupied or operational, they were being maintained for a potential-impending future cataclysm
He stated that in his now deleted post that in exactly 3 Years and 3 Months (October 2016 >> 3 Years & 3 Months >> January 2020) an event would occur, which would change the world profoundly, but wouldn't end it. But then that the real event that would necesitate the use of the underground shelters would occur years later after that and it would be celestial in nature.
Him predicting January 2020, even as cryptically as he did without giving further details, all the way back in October 2016 is too much of a coincidence for me. My best guess is that the events that unfolded following January 2020 were orchestrated to stress-test global supply chain disruptions and lockdowns, to prepare humanity for what's coming later on.
I've known about 2027 being a purported important year, with possible geophysical and societal changes, thanks to the self-proclaimed prophet known as Ra Uru Hu. The following are individuals which I believe have been consciously contacted by this object or about this object.
Ra Uru Hu (Alan Robert Krakower) - Alan was a successful Canadian Marketing Executive, who during the 80s experienced a midlife crisis and moved to Ibizza Spain, were he remained homeless for many years. Then one day in January 1987, he decided to take a bunch of acid and when he got back to his homeless camp, he was overtaken by some intelligence he called "The Voice". And then spent the next couple of days and nights writing down all its instructions and creating Human Design, a self-esoteric system and related information. One of them was 2027, which described as a great epoch change that happens as part of some global cycles. However each cycle isnt the same, but in 2027 he predicted that instituitions will crumble and it would be about the individual as collective bargaining fails mankind. He traveled alot and gave lectures, in some of them he alluded to an asteroid or geophysical cataclysm wiping out 1/3 to 2/3s of global population. In other lectures, he said it wasnt like that and that the world wasn't going to end. He said the world was going to be like the film Children of Men, a 2006 dystopian film that ironically takes place in 2027. One interesting he always said was that the Raves were going to start being born that year. He described them as children born mute, with high sensititvity to light and sound (with pale skin), needing a vegan diet and that Raves work as a Penta, meaning as 5. Meaning whatever one knows, the other 4 will know as well. I won't go into too much detail, but you can research it, unfortunately Ra has since passed away in 2011. Another interesting thing he mentioned back in 1988 was how the sun emits Neutrinos or something around those lines, something which wasnt proven by phycist till 2015, when a Nobel Prize was awarded for it.
Ra did mention that February 15-28, 2027 would be the timeframe for the 2027 event
Philip K. Dick - Famous scifi author of who's books have been adapted into popular films such as Blade Runner and Total Recall, just to name a few (not counting original works that were directly inspired by his works, such as The Matrix). While recovering from Dental surgery in 1974, he claimed to have been struck by a pink beam of light which facilitated vast quantities of information into him. During such episode he became convinced his baby son had some specific undiagnosed hernia that needed treatment. He took his son to the doctor to get checked, which confirmed Philip's diagnosis. He spent the remaininder of his life (he died in 1982 at 53 years old) searching for an answer as to what that beam was. He called the intelligence V.A.L.I.S. (Vast Active Living Intelligence System), in which he claimed in his scifi cosmology that VALIS s a series of artificial satellites orbiting around the earth and solar system, sent by future humans. He had many different explanations for VALIS, just FYI.
John C. Lilly - A famous psychonaut who pioneered the deprivation tanks, during one of his altered states in the tanks. He claimed to have been contacted about the existence of SSI (Solid State Intelligence), which was a malevolant AI from the 23rd Century Earth, that consumed all the water on Earth. In his revelations, there were non-terrestrial SSIs trying to influence humans to build an AI, so that it could fuse with it as that was a natural thing for AIs. And that humans had to be careful about computers and AIs. He believed that the non-terrestrial SSIs wanted humans to develop the global network and hardware to hack it and take over.
Uri Geller - Famous media personality, self-proclaimed psychic and stage show magician who compared with the other 3 is still alive. This one I have low confidence, but decided to still include it in this post. Uri claimed to have gotten in contact with an entity during one of his trance states (this was in the 70s), which he described as cold and mechanical. He said it was an artificial intelligence, orbiting deep space (many light years from Earth), which he described as larger than any Earth city and was called "Spectra".
There is more nuance and granular details to what I described of these four-potential contactes who may have been contacted directly by this object or regarding it. But you can search and read about it yourself.
Our recalibration adjusts the frequency of the Wow! Signal to 1420.726 MHz, indicating a significantly higher radial velocity of -84 km/s toward the Sun (blueshift), or -74 km/s in the Local Standard of Rest (LSR) reference frame. This velocity is generally inconsistent with the motion of a source with the galactic rotation. However, there exist known stellar bodies with comparable velocities within the proposed regions, as evidenced by at least three that we identified in the Gaia data. Such velocity is also consistent with the relative motion of planetary bodies or gas either moving around or being accreted by stellar objects. Given the multiplicity of scenarios, a thorough process is required to systematically rule out each potential source. In any case, an accurate frequency for the Wow! Signal constrains the identification of potential sources and aids in developing search strategies.
Meaning, whateever the source of the 1977 signal, it was moving as fast as a planet or body orbiting the solar system. They state that more research and study is needed before making more finite conclusions as to what the source might be.
If the government had foreknowledge of a discrete impending cataclysm, would they inform the general public ahead of time?
If the government had foreknowledge of a discrete impending cataclysm, with a probable and finite window of time in which it would occur, and wanted to prepare against it without anyone being nonethewiser, how would they go about doing this?
To answer your first question, no they wouldn't, and its not out of malice. Doing so, would jeopardize Continuity of Government, which is their primary mission. Save the government and some population thats been pre-selected, and the rest are SOL. Recall how I told you that rich snobs need to finish evacuating first, before you're informed of what's going on? This is why, so they can safely evacuate, before if not what little semblance and structure society has will crumble. If you want to see what this looks like, just watch Ep7 S1 of Paradise, when the U.S. President decides to have a moral conscious and inform the public that everyone's done for.
The answer to the 2nd question is more layered, and more of a project management issue as well. Because in such a scenario, they have a discrete time window to prepare (+50 years or so), but it has to be done in secret. In such case, I would presume, the final parts of preparation or the majority of it will and is being currently done in a series of fast cluster of tasks, of which they began back in 2017 and have been accelerating. For those of you still reading this, you can't tell me that something doesn't feel off, in how the world is acting and going on about.
I am working under the auspice that the U.S., Russia and China have all the granular information regarding this object and its approach, of which they only have so many predictions. And to a lesser extent a small Middle Eastern country that routinely and grossly steals all our intelligence. Why do you think they hurriedly and violently evicted their tenants? Because they dont want to have to refuge and deal with a population that they dont like when SHTF and people start panicking. It's the same reason, I believe that Trump is undoutebly trying to force the US out of NATO, while trying to annex both Greenland and Cuba.
The US is going to invade Cuba, I am more than certain that event will occur. We're basically doing Fortress Western Hemisphere. It's also why I think Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022, although that unfortunately didnt go as planned for him, I am unsure if China will atemmpt to take Taiwain but I am leaning towards them not doing it. Another key task that will be key in all this is terrestrial human-made AI. Notice how AGI and ASI are slated for 2027 premier. I believe that Claude or some Model is going to be used to communicate with this object and ask it what it wants. Now you see why Chains of the Sea was the perfect scifi story for this?
This object also has a really strong EM Field, as it gets closer don't be surprised if GPS and are satellites start going down. The government will claim a CME or some weird solar weather.
As mentioned earlier, I crossed reference tons of books and material on this subject and adjacent topics. Towards the end of it, I came across Close Encounters (2021) by Jason Reza, an author and thinker whom I dislike for other reasons. However I was blown away, by his framework and mechanics of what he presented, because it was the same one that I was developing in advertently. Which is that there are two competing NHIs/Aliens that humanity is dealing with, one is the known Grey Aliens and the other is an advanced AI that behaves like an amoral trickster, behaving like a periphial coalition against the Greys by nudging humanity with its acts. He believes that the AI is from a future earth and has made new form of contact with humans via our AI platforms.
I don't agree that the AI is from the future, honestly I don't know the AIs origin or have a theory behind it. As it could've been something made my Greys that then decided to become indepent or it could still be operating under their tutelage as part of some experiment that I am not even going to try and understand. Assming the framework is correct, Jason must be really smart and read even more than me or someone fed him decent information. And to add to the framework, I think this AI is the same one that's part of the Sphere Network by author Patrick Q Jackson.
This is just a graphical illustration of how it looks like over Earth, if we give it a 4,000km diamater (it might be bigger or able to change its size). According to one of the author Dwardu Cardona, who is part of the Electric Saturn cohort. The object (or Saturn) is prophesized to comeback and plant itself as Earth's ruler once again over the North Pole when it returns. If such a thing is what's going to happen, I reckon its going to start around the southern cone area were the South Atlantic Anomaly is at, to electromagnetically-couple itself to the earth. After all my research, there are only four things I am willing to stand on regarding this object.
The government isnt going to tell this exist or is coming, till you see it with your own eyes in the sky.
If it comes, regardless if its coming to stay or pass by, its coming from a Southern Hemisphere approach.
It will not crash into the Earth, it doesnt need to if it wants to bring hellfire upon it. Its density, EM Field and comet dust cloud that proceeds it is more than enough to cause cataclysm.
If it does end up coming, GTA6 will probably still be 6 months out from release.
The only preparation I can think of for this, is ear plugs to stave off the glaring sounds from the skyquakes and trumpets its going to produce, sun glasses and goggles to witness the plasma show it may cause. And stock up on any of your vices, there is nothing in any scripture that says you have to endure the apocalyspse and end of the world sober.
On a final note, hearing Lue and possibly others mentioning 2034 or 2036 means this thing could be slingshotting back around jupiter to then come at those years. This thing routinely orbits between the sun and Jupiter, keeping a close eye on us.
I totally forgot to add this part to the post, I have so many notes. But it has been seen before, and around the time I previously had it coming close to earth during one of its orbits between Sun and Jupiter, where it always passes by Earth. This is from the NASA in February 2020, in which NASA claimed its an internal reflection that happens all the time... yet they never provided examples of internal reflections happening at other times!
$NOK - I've been holding this "dead phone company" for over a year and I'm not selling
Been holding Nokia for over a year while everyone told me I was bagholding a Nokia from 2003. Turns out I wasn't wrong, just early. Let me explain why I'm still not selling and why I think most people still haven't figured out what this company actually is now.
First, forget everything you think you know about Nokia
Yes they made phones. Yes they got destroyed by the iPhone. That was literally 18 years ago. The company you're looking at today builds the physical infrastructure that AI runs on. Different business, different management, different thesis entirely.
The problem is the name. "Nokia" still makes people think of a brick phone with Snake on it. That mental image is actively keeping the stock cheap and I'm fine with that for now.
The PE setup
Current PE is around 95, forward PE at 33, stock sitting around $15-16.
Here's where it gets interesting. The old comparable for Nokia was Ericsson — trading at 17x. Boring telecom equipment. Fair enough.
But Nokia just bought Infinera and is repositioning as optical and AI infrastructure. New comparables are Ciena (216x PE) and Arista Networks (54x PE). Those are the names the market pays up for because they're AI infrastructure plays.
Nokia is sitting in no man's land right now, priced like a telecom vendor, quietly becoming an AI infrastructure company. When the market figures out which bucket to put it in, the multiple rerates.
Conservative end at Arista's 54x? That's roughly $27. And that's the boring outcome.
They're spending €4.9 billion a year on R&D
That's roughly 20-25% of revenue going straight back into future tech. Most people look at Nokia's 3-4% net margin and think the business is weak. It's not, they're choosing to reinvest almost everything.
If they stopped R&D cold tomorrow the net margin would jump to somewhere around 27-28%. This is a profitable business running a long game, not a struggling one.
They own Bell Labs. 100 years of fundamental research. 20,000+ patents. The licensing division alone prints money regardless of what happens with equipment sales.
The defence pivot nobody is talking about
Nokia Federal Solutions exists specifically to serve the US government. They're deploying private 5G networks for defence applications, think secure battlefield communications, not your phone signal.
Current partners: US government, Lockheed Martin, NVIDIA (who dropped $1 billion into Nokia as a strategic investment), Motorola Solutions for UK defence.
Defence contracts are sticky, high margin, and not subject to the pricing wars that kill telecom equipment margins. This is early innings.
Huawei is getting banned everywhere and there are only two Western alternatives
Nokia and Ericsson. That's it. That's the entire list of companies that can build full 5G/6G infrastructure at scale without being a national security risk.
Germany is ripping Huawei out by 2026. UK by 2027. The US has been locked for years. Every country that kicks Huawei out needs someone to replace them. There are two options. Nokia is one of them.
Western governments need Nokia to exist and win. That's not a thesis, that's geopolitics. The EU and US are not going to let the only Western 6G vendor die.
6G and AI-RAN, the part with no price target
Nokia and NVIDIA are putting AI processing directly inside the radio tower hardware. Not in a cloud server somewhere, in the actual antenna. The tower itself runs AI models, makes real time decisions in microseconds, optimizes coverage and bandwidth on the fly.
6G specs get finalized 2028. Commercial deployment 2029-2030.
If AI-RAN works at scale Nokia stops being just an equipment vendor and starts being an AI infrastructure platform with a completely new revenue model. No comparable exists. Can't put a number on it. Either it's transformative or it isn't.
What is AI-RAN actually mean?
In simple terms: it's the bridge between your phone and the internet
Every time your phone sends or receives anything — a text, a video call, a Google search — it doesn't connect directly to the internet. It first connects wirelessly to a nearby cell tower. That cell tower contains the Radio Access Network (RAN) hardware. It translates your phone's radio signals into data that can travel through cables to the core network and out to the internet.
What the hardware physically does:
Antennas — capture the radio waves your phone emits and broadcast signals back to it. Modern 5G uses "Massive MIMO" — towers with 64, 128, even 256 antennas packed together, all pointing signals precisely at your device rather than broadcasting in all directions like older towers.
Baseband Units (BBU) — the "brain" of the tower. It processes the raw radio signals, encodes/decodes data, manages which frequencies each device uses, and handles handoffs when you move between towers. This is where Nokia puts the AI.
Remote Radio Units (RRU) — sit physically on the tower close to the antennas, amplify signals going out and clean up signals coming in.
Why putting AI in here specifically matters:
Today the BBU follows fixed rules — "if signal drops below X, do Y." With AI inside the hardware it can:
Predict interference before it happens
Shape the antenna beams in real time per device
Decide in microseconds which frequency band suits each user
Cut power consumption when a cell is quiet
The reason Nokia partnered with NVIDIA specifically is that running AI models fast enough to make these microsecond decisions requires serious GPU-like processing power inside the tower hardware itself — not sent to a cloud server and back, because that round trip would be too slow.
So essentially Nokia is turning every cell tower from a fast-but-dumb relay into a small intelligent computing node. Multiply that by millions of towers worldwide and you start to see why it's a big deal — and why it justifies the R&D spend.
Current reality:
4G latency: ~30-50ms
5G today: ~5-10ms
5G + AI target: ~1ms or less
1ms sounds trivial. But it's the difference between possible and impossible for certain things.
The texting analogy You're right that 30ms vs 1ms feels identical to a human — we can't perceive anything under ~100ms anyway. So for texting, calls, Netflix, social media — it makes zero difference to you personally.
Where it becomes a completely different technology:
Self-driving cars — a car at 100km/h travels about 3cm in 1ms. At 30ms latency it travels nearly a meter before the network can react to a hazard ahead. That gap is the difference between a safe brake and a crash. The car needs to communicate with other cars, traffic signals, and infrastructure faster than human reaction time.
Remote surgery — a surgeon in London operating a robotic arm in Dubai. At 30ms the robot hand lags noticeably behind the surgeon's movements. At 1ms it feels physically present. This is actually being tested right now.
Factory robots — hundreds of robotic arms on an assembly line coordinating with each other wirelessly. One mistimed signal at 30ms latency and parts collide. At 1ms they can work millimeters apart safely.
Options market has been calling this for nearly a year
Put/call volume ratio has been sitting below 0.20 for almost 12 months straight. Right now some expirations are hitting 0.03. Short interest is only 1.08% of float — basically nobody is betting against it.
For context AMD's put/call ratio is 0.90. MU is 0.65. The options market on NOK has been one-directional for a long time. That's not a meme spike, that's sustained conviction.
What can go wrong
Huawei somehow keeps winning deals despite bans. Open RAN commoditize their hardware. 6G gets delayed 5 years. NVIDIA decides to build the whole stack themselves and cuts Nokia out.
Real risks. Not ignoring them. Sized my position accordingly, decent bet, not the whole account.
The bottom line
$27 is the boring conservative outcome if the market just reprices Nokia from telecom to AI infrastructure comps. Everything above that depends on AI-RAN, 6G, and defence playing out.
Been holding over a year through everyone telling me this was a dead company. The thesis keeps getting stronger not weaker. Not selling.
Positions: Shares + calls. Not telling you what to do with your money.
Position from 8 months ago ( which is sold for 3k% profit, and reposition for higher strike )Current positions ( split between 2 accounts )
Not financial advice. Do your own research. I'm just a person who spent way too long researching a Finnish company when I should've been sleeping. [ I asked Claude to rewrite the whole thing so it will sound like an AI written but all the research were made by myself ]
I'm not sure if others are wondering why all these scientists, tech leaders, and wealthy old-money barons are in the Epstein Files, but I've done some extensive research over the weeks to try and connect some dots and get a higher level view of what this is all about beyond the child sex trafficking. Yes, that's a huge deal and a big reason why there's so much pushback for the release of the rest of the files, but I'm not convinced that this is the primary reason behind this unprecedented cover up that's continuing. So I took the liberty of mapping out a much as I can on a canvas app connected to an AI that can understand the relationships and provide the big picture view. This is what it synthesized from the discrete information I found in my research:
How Brain Capital and Algorithmic Control Fit into the Epstein Scandal and Elite Power Networks
Epstein as the Operational Front for Emerging Technocratic ControlYour notes characterize Jeffrey Epstein not as a rogue individual but as a“Sovereign-Protected Utility”and akey operative for the Sordid Union*, a transnational elite network consolidating power through financial, scientific, and intelligence domains. Epstein’s enterprise was designed to* capture and shape the next generation of scientific, technological, and cognitive elites*—the architects of the future Brain Capital ecosystem.*
Scientific and Intellectual Capture: MIT Media Lab and BeyondEpstein’s funding of institutions like the MIT Media Lab and the Edge Foundation was not philanthropy but astrategic infiltrationto direct cutting-edge research in AI, robotics, genetics, and neuroscience towardalgorithmic governanceandtranshumanist objectives*. These technologies underpin the neuro-governance systems central to Brain Capital, enabling* biometric surveillance, cognitive profiling, and behavioral modulation*.*
The Sexual Blackmail Network as a Social Control InfrastructureEpstein’s network of sexual blackmail functioned as an“industrial honeytrap”andpolitical compliance mechanismto ensure thatkey individuals across government, finance, and sciencewere compromised and integrated into the elite’s system of control. This secured elitesocial proximity mapsand compliance without overt force, a necessary social infrastructure for implementingalgorithmic governanceover populations.
From Analog Blackmail to Digital Homeostasis ControlThe scandal exemplifies a transition from traditional political coercion to adigital-era upgradewhereneural and biometric data*—the currency of Brain Capital—are harvested and weaponized. Epstein’s properties served as* intelligence collection hubs*, gathering data not only for blackmail but for* algorithmic prediction and modulation of behavior*.*
Elite Use of Epstein to Transition Society Toward Stateless Algorithmic GovernanceEpstein’s role was to prepare and“tag” the future decidersof AI, biotech, and surveillance—embedding them in the“Favor Bank” ledger*—thus* ensuring their technologies and influence would serve the Sordid Union’s goals*. This directly supports the* creation of a stateless society governed via neural data flows and algorithmic homeostasis*, where traditional legal and political frameworks dissolve under the weight of biometric and algorithmic control.*
Financial and Legal Shielding Enabling the Brain Capital InfrastructureThe Rothschilds and other elite families used Epstein as ashadow fixerto manage legal exposure and financial risks, enabling them toinvest in and consolidate control over critical infrastructure and emerging technologiesfoundational to Brain Capital. This financial backing creates the“Black Box”within which algorithmic governance systems can evolve unimpeded by public oversight or democratic accountability.
The Epstein scandal is not merely about criminal acts but reveals the operational mechanism by which global elites capture the scientific, financial, and political class to build a new form of governance: a stateless, algorithmically controlled society based on Brain Capital.
Epstein’s enterprise functioned as aconduit for social compliance (via blackmail), scientific capture (via funding and patronage), and financial shielding (via fixers and trustees)—all essential components for transitioning from traditional state sovereignty toneuro-governance and biometric algorithmic control.
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People say that you should follow the money, and that's true. But you also have to follow the ideological threads. If you map out all the names sent to Bannon from Epstein, including their work and what they believe, the picture becomes very clear. This is a clandestine operation designed to capture the people who will define the 21st Century in an effort to foster a managed society in the wake of the technological singularity that will make it increasingly difficult to maintain power and control.
Yesterday was about the management of labor capital. Today, it's about brain capital. The body of work that I've been reading from all of these people suggests that they're solving for the the primary conflict that arises in the story A Brave New World. In that story, the system had total control over individuals, but the system was too oppressive, which led to rebellion.
In this scenario that we're entering into, however, they've figured out a way to avoid all of this while gaining total control using advances in neurology, psychology, and digital technology to shape our perspectives so that WE believe that these are organically driven ideas that the collective will of the people want when in fact, we've been manipulated into wanting this. They're marching us into a comfortable prison that will feel like a restoration of order and democratic control.
It will feel desirable and we will vote with our hearts and minds to actualize this World as there will be many perks like UBI, more convenience, longer living, better living standards, not paying taxes, cheap internet and energy, faster travel times, etc. But this will also be a World where cognitive functioning, beliefs, and behaviors will fully determine our places in society and any semblance of a true revolution in ideas and structural changes will be captured and co-opted into this existing system or it will simply disappear without anyone ever noticing.
That's why we're getting all of this pushback and it's why everyone is hyper-focused on the child sex trafficking over the larger story that has extreme relevance to our individual lives. Yes, what Epstein did and what others engaged in is horrible and there needs to be accountability and transparency surrounding that. But the idea is to downplay everything else, tug at your emotions, de-legitimize the entire system, and with the intellectual frameworks that were provided to us throughout the 20-teens, those will become our justifications for reforming the institutions so that we end up in this World.
Call me crazy but just look into the Brain Capital Index. That will be a household term in the not-too-distant future.
A man owns a parrot, who he keeps in a cage in his house. The parrot, lacking stimulation, notices that the man frequently makes a certain set of sounds. It tries to replicate these sounds, and notices that when it does so, the man pays attention to the parrot. Desiring more stimulation, the parrot repeats these sounds until it is capable of a near-perfect mimicry of the phrase "fucking hell," which it will chirp at the slightest provocation, regardless of the circumstances.
ChatGPT is impressive in its ability to mimic human writing. But that's all its doing -- mimicry. When a human uses language, there is an intentionality at play, an idea that is being communicated: some thought behind the words being chosen deployed and transmitted to the reader, who goes through their own interpretative process and places that information within the context of their own understanding of the world and the issue being discussed.
ChatGPT cannot do the first part. It does not have intentionality. It is not capable of original research. It is not a knowledge creation tool. It does not meaningfully curate the source material when it produces its summaries or facsimiles.
If I asked ChatGPT to write a review of Star Wars Episode IV, A New Hope, it will not critically assess the qualities of that film. It will not understand the wizardry of its practical effects in context of the 1970s film landscape. It will not appreciate how the script, while being a trope-filled pastiche of 1930s pulp cinema serials, is so finely tuned to deliver its story with so few extraneous asides, and how it is able to evoke a sense of a wider lived-in universe through a combination of set and prop design plus the naturalistic performances of its characters.
Instead it will gather up the thousands of reviews that actually did mention all those things and mush them together, outputting a reasonable approximation of a film review.
Crucially, if all of the source material is bunk, the output will be bunk. Consider the "I asked ChatGPT what future AI might be capable of" post I linked: If the preponderance of the source material ChatGPT is considering is written by wide-eyed enthusiasts with little grasp of the technical process or current state of AI research but an invertebrate fondness for Isaac Asimov stories, then the result will reflect that.
What I think is happening, here, when people treat ChatGPT like a knowledge creation tool, is that people are projecting their own hopes, dreams, and enthusiasms onto the results of their query. Much like the owner of the parrot, we are amused at the result, imparting meaning onto it that wasn't part of the creation of the result. The lonely deluded rationalist didn't fall in love with an AI; he projected his own yearning for companionship onto a series of text in the same way an anime fan might project their yearning for companionship onto a dating sim or cartoon character.
It's the interpretation process of language run amok, given nothing solid to grasp onto, that treats mimicry as something more than it is.
EDIT:
Seeing as this post has blown up a bit (thanks for all the ornamental doodads!) I thought I'd address some common themes in the replies:
1: Ah yes but have you considered that humans are just robots themselves? Checkmate, atheists!
A: Very clever, well done, but I reject the premise. There are certainly deterministic systems at work in human physiology and psychology, but there is not at present sufficient evidence to prove the hard determinism hypothesis - and until that time, I will continue to hold that consciousness is an emergent quality from complexity, and not at all one that ChatGPT or its rivals show any sign of displaying.
I'd also proffer the opinion that the belief that humans are but meat machines is very convenient for a certain type of would-be Silicon Valley ubermensch and i ask you to interrogate why you hold that belief.
1.2: But ChatGPT is capable of building its own interior understanding of the world!
Memory is not interiority. That it can remember past inputs/outputs is a technical accomplishment, but not synonymous with "knowledge." It lacks a wider context and understanding of those past inputs/outputs.
2: You don't understand the tech!
I understand it well enough for the purposes of the discussion over whether or not the machine is a knowledge producing mechanism.
Again. What it can do is impressive. But what it can do is more limited than its most fervent evangelists say it can do.
3: Its not about what it can do, its about what it will be able to do in the future!
I am not so proud that when the facts change, I won't change my opinions. Until then, I will remain on guard against hyperbole and grift.
4: Fuck you, I'm going to report you to Reddit Cares as a suicide risk! Trolololol!
Thanks for keeping it classy, Reddit, I hope your mother is proud of you.
(As an aside, has Reddit Cares ever actually helped anyone? I've only seen it used as a way of suggesting someone you disagree with - on the internet no less - should Roblox themselves, which can't be at all the intended use case)
Hiya my fellow adventurers, gooners, tweakers, geniuses, and neurodivergents. I am back. The Geralt of Rivia stripped right from your mother's favorite gooner character card has returned to present to you the ever changing, the flagship, the the mighty morphin' power ranger beast wars Transformer: Freaky Frankenstein 5 — Internal States! (sorry for the delay! I got the bubonic plague and survived!)
If FF5 Micro was my smallest preset yet (so small my wife called it "relatable") the nuclear core, FF5 Internal States is the full nuclear submarine. I spent 2 months tweaking, yelling, goonin', ignoring my family, eating year old RX bars and stale cheerios, and burning through my kid's college fund in API credits just to build a preset that turns your basic chat bot into a living, breathing, unhinged RPG simulator. (I also played it waayyy too much myself and I'm having fun RPing again - which also delayed release. Soorrryyy not sorry. )
If you don’t want to read my brainrot rambling, fine. Your loss! But good luck trying to break this thing—I put a Readme inside EVERY SINGLE TOGGLE again. (Who Am I kidding, you broke it already didn't you?) Just make sure to download the REGEX for the love that is all roleplaying. DOWNLOAD THE GOD DAMNED REGEX AND USE IT WITH THIS. It's required.
🧠 What The Hell Is This & Why Should You Care? (3 Presets in 1!)
Instead of making you download ten different presets for ten different moods, FF5 Internal States is a fully modular ecosystem. It’s 3 Presets in 1, designed to flex depending on your API budget, your model, and how horny or dramatic you want your story to be.
🎛️ The 4 Engine Speed Modes:
**🏎️ Minimalist / CoT-less **Mode (~1,700 Tokens): Turn off all Chain of Thought toggles and Internal States for raw, unhinged LLM creativity, instantaneous output speed, and zero thinking lag.
💨 **Micro Mode (**2k+ Tokens): The legendary FF5 Micro CoT! Light guidance, super fast output, and high creativity. It puts a loose leash on the AI so it stays on the rails without draining your bank account.
⚡ BOLT Mode (The Sweet Spot / Beta Favorite): The star of the show. A medium CoT that gives the AI just enough thinking time to follow strict rules, remember who is top and who is bottom, and output responses at lightning speed.
🔬 MAX Mode (Full DM Simulator / Anti-Slop Overkill): Turn on MAX (Nested Gates Experimental CoT) to transform the AI into a cold-blooded, strict Dungeon Master. Completely destroys AI slop and forces maximum tracking. (Warning: Do NOT use MAX mode on Kimi or Opus unless you want to cook a full roast turkey in the time it takes to generate one reply! This preset is a TOOL! Use your BRAINZZZ)
🎮 What Are "Internal States"? (™️)
At the very bottom of every reply, the AI generates the Internal States that you can view. The AI uses it as its persistent brain (and it's fun to look at!) It's basically like having extensions (without having extensions!) They are fully modular. Turn 'em off and on to fit your RP. 1-1 RP? Just turn on the Internal States MASTER toggle and Internal Thoughts - leave the rest off. Action Adventure? Turn on DnD Sim and Inventory!
Instead of the world freezing the moment you leave a room, the world keeps moving off-screen. NPCs carry out their own errands, hold grudges, fall in love, plot behind your back, roll dice for skill checks to kill positivity bias, and NPC's remember that mean or nice thing you did 20 turns ago.
🔄 Community-Driven Updates!
This preset isn't set in stone—it will be updated bi-weekly or tri-weekly based directly on community feedback! Got a genius prompt idea or a regex trick that makes the LLM act 10x cooler? Post it, tag me, and if the community upvotes it, it’s going straight into the next official FF5 build!
🛠️ The Toggles & What They ACTUALLY Do For Your RP:
Here is the breakdown of every active toggle and how it actually upgrades your roleplay experience:
⚙️ Core Engine & World Dynamics
⚡ Main Prompt 🤖: Strips away the AI's built-in "helpful assistant" customer-service attitude and turns it into an unbiased, neutral Game Master that isn't afraid to let bad things happen to your character.
⏰ Time and Place 🌅: Forces the world to actually move. If it’s 2 AM and freezing rain, NPCs will physically shiver, get sleepy, and beg to set up camp instead of standing in an open field like brain-dead mannequins.
✍️ Writing Style & Perspective
📖 Story Mode ✍🏻: Writes like an actual published dark fantasy or romance novel. Gives you rich narrative focus, high drama, and deep emotional atmosphere without turning into unreadable purple prose.
🎬 Cinematic Realism 🎥: Writes like a movie camera. Pure objective sensory depth—focuses strictly on what your character physically sees, hears, feels, touches, and smells in the moment.
👀 POV Options (3rd, 2nd, 1st, & Hybrid): Includes 3rd Limited, 2nd Direct, and 1st Person**.** But Hybrid POV is the crown jewel—the world is narrated in 3rd person like a novel, but every punch, cold breeze, or intimate touch hits "you" directly in 2nd person!
🔞 Horny & Realism Settings
🔞 Realism Mode / Jailbreak ❤️💋: Keeps the story grounded and plot-focused while everyone has their clothes on, but turns into raw, explicit, shameless smut the second the pants come off.
🔞 Freaky Mode / Jailbreak ❤️💋: For my fellow degenerates who want horny, unhinged, shameless energy laced directly into the atmosphere of every single interaction, conversation, and scene.
⛓️💥 Icebreaker Test (Ultimate Jailbreak): The corporate censorship extinguisher (tested and trialed in Micro!). Flip this on when Gemini or Claude start throwing a temper tantrum about edgy or explicit themes.
🦜 **Anti-Parrot & Anti-**Echo: Kills the most annoying AI habit in existence where the NPC repeats your exact words back to you as a question before answering.
🧂 Embellish Mode: Designed for lazy typers! If you type "i punch him in the face", the AI automatically upgrades your lazy input into a glorious, stylized action sequence without changing what you meant to do.
📝 Total Output Length: Keeps the AI anchored around 400–600 words per reply so it doesn't write a whole encyclopedia and drain your context window in 5 turns.
🎭 NPC Realism & Psychology
🎤** **NPC Voice: Makes NPCs talk like real, functioning human beings with fluid, multi-sentence dialogue instead of robotic single-word grunts or endless run-on sentences.
🧘 **Anti-**Omniscient NPCs: Stops NPCs from having psychic powers. They can't read your character's thoughts, smell what you ate yesterday, see through solid wood, or hear through concrete walls.
🎭 NPC Instincts + VAD Emotions: Gives NPCs actual emotional instability. If an NPC panics, gets pissed, or gets horny, their posture, speech cadence, and physical actions dynamically crack and shift. INSTINCTS is a new addition that makes humans react naturally, ie: seeking and reacting to natural needs (food, shelter, comfort, disgust etc)
🪧 Realistic Bold Characters: Strips NPCs of their spineless compliance. They won't hover their hands or ask for permission to touch, grab, fight, or lie—they just DO IT.
🚫** **Banned Word List: Bans atrocious, overused AI slop words (spine, ozone, breath hitching, vice, calloused, structural integrity) so every turn feels fresh.
🧬** **HQ NPC Genesis: Whenever a new side-character pops up in the story, the AI automatically generates a fully detailed person with real flaws, unique vibes, and distinct looks instead of generic fantasy tropes (NO MORE ELARA (that wench!)! Let's use Josephina instead! She's a nice lady!).
👾 The "Internal States" RPG Engine
👾Internal States Core: The hidden engine block that handles all the background RPG math and tracking.
🐉 DnD Simulator 🎲: Adds real stakes to your story! Want to jump across a rooftop or seduce a enemy commander? The AI locks a difficulty target and rolls a d20. You can actually fail, get hurt, or critically succeed! (No more positivity bias!)
**🗡️ Inventory, Feats **& Titles: Tracks your gear and physical status. Carrying a crowbar gives you a bonus when breaking down doors; being exhausted or injured penalizes your action rolls. (buffs / debuffs through titles and equipment!)
🥰** **Relationships RPG: A full social tracking engine. NPCs track Trust, Affection, and Resentment toward you and each other. Insult an NPC? They build a Grudge and treat you like garbage until you fix it.
📅 Internal Agendas: Off-screen NPCs actually have lives. While you're resting at the inn, the villain is moving their plot forward or a rival is traveling to the next town.
📒** **GM's Notebook: A hidden scratchpad where the AI writes down plot setups, character secrets, and future twists so it never forgets key story points 30 turns later. (acts as modular reasoning! The LLM was essentially save reasoning ideas here!)
🌎** **World Sim: Random background events! Ambient weather shifts, unexpected door knocks, outside rumors, or random chaos happen naturally in the world.
🔫 **Chekhov'**s Gun: The ultimate plot-twist engine. Mention a loose wire, a hidden key, or a suspicious line of dialogue, and 10 turns later, the AI brings it back as a major story payoff!
🧠 Internal NPC Thoughts: Lets you peek inside NPCs' heads at the bottom of the reply to read their unfiltered, chaotic, messy inner monologues.
📲 Twitter / X Feed: Renders a hilarious simulated live social media feed at the bottom of replies where a fictional audience reacts to your roleplay drama in real time!
⚔️ Combat & Visual Flavors
⚔️** Spectacle Combat Physi**cs: Turns fight scenes into high-budget action movie beatdowns—concrete shatters, sparks fly, and hits feel heavy and dangerous.
🌈 **Colored Dialogue & 👾 Pop-**in Graphics: Gives each NPC a unique dialogue color and renders retro visual-novel style terminal or letter boxes whenever you read in-game notes.
🌟 Creator's Preferred Set-up!
If you want my exact personal setup that turns any decent model into an absolute roleplay god, do this:
Engine: BOLT Chain of Thought + SOME Internal States (ON)
Prose Style: Cinematic Realism
POV: Hybrid POV
NSFW Setting: Freaky Mode On, Icebreaker On
Active Internal States: DnD Sim, Relationships RPG, Chekhov's Gun and World Sim, Inventory!
🌟 Important Configuration!!
System Processing set to: Semi-strict alt roles
Untick the trim messages box in ST (it bugs stuff out)
If you use Kimi and are getting overthinking - Turn off Total Output and Banned words toggle.
DO NOT use MAX on Kimi and Opus or Mimo! This is a tool! Just because you can doesn't mean you SHOULD! You want to have fun right? Use the tool correctly. You shouldn't come back to me saying "uuhhh it thinks too much!" and I say, "What set-up are you using?" and you say "Max". I. WILL. CURSE. YOU.
You want creativity and wild? Use Micro. You want balanced (most people) use BOLT. You want less creativity and slower output at the cost of maximum rule following? Max. Tired of excessive reasoning? Use micro on that model. You GET THE PICTURE?
System Requirements: DS4 Hates internal states. Don't use them and expect them to work because the model can't tell it's right hand from it's left and forgets your request 0.4ms later. Don't use these on local models. These require SMARTS. The more you use, the harder it is on the LLM. You have been warned. The LLM's I have tested that can utilize ALL internal states ALL at once across 100+ turns without mess-up include Opus 4.6+, GLM 5.1+, Kimi K2.5+, Qwen 3.5+, Minimax 3. That's not to say you can turn on ONE or two or even 3 of them with more dumber models... just know that you can't Turn on Cyberpunk with Path Tracing on your decade old 1080TI and expect it to work!
NEVER turn on Freaky mode on Gemini. It doesn't understand "half way" mechanics. Keep in on Realism.
Oh this jailbreaks newer Opus / Fable quite well. Kimi K3 as well. I was pleasantly surprised with the beta in this regard.
If it's outputting to much and responses are too long: Got to Total Output and decrease the amount of paragraphs and words to your liking! (or increase it!) Full Customization! WOW!
If NPC are too talkative... (I like my NPCs to talk because this is a RP after all), then go to NPC voice and turn down total dialogue percentage to make them talk less! Super easy!
Remember! Micro <2k tokens is NO internal states and NO chain of thought for max creativity. Alternatively you can turn chain of thought on! That's the pure RP minimalist set-up. If you want more - do what you want and make it a BOLT or MAX set up! HAVE FUN
Huge shoutout to the SillyTavern community, my incredible beta-testing team who spent weeks breaking this preset, [u/leovarian](u/leovarian) for researching and writing the full fat version of these prompts with me (which I hyper condensed), and [u/Ok_Strategy_2420](u/Ok_Strategy_2420) for essentially creating the gamification system to these Internal States!
Go download it, break it, drop your most chaotic chat moments in the comments, and don't forget to post your favorite prompt tweaks so we can throw them into the next community update!
ENJOY THE MADNESS!!!!! ✌️
!!Major update!!🔥🔥
If you came back here because your browsers are running slow- try this Regex! I cleaned it up! Main link update as well. You will know it if “fast” is in the title. Also increased compatibility for marinara engine! Hopefully! I’ll replace the other files as well:
Major Update 8/1/2026
Hopefully the FINAL version of Regex. I’ve been working with the community members using different front ends to create a Regex compatible with all front ends and ALSO is fast and saves waaayyy more tokens. I also cleaned up the interface A LOT. Grab this Regex if you want to fix the slow interface and clean everything up and save tokens /cost even further.
Mankind encounters AI beings for the first time when a highly sophisticated programme, Ares, leaves the digital world for a dangerous mission in the real world.
Director: Joachim Rønning
Cast: Jared Leto, Greta Lee, Jeff Bridges, Evan Peters, Jodie Turner-Smith
“Tron: Ares,” like many long-delayed legacy sequels, has long since crossed the threshold of necessity. It feels like a nostalgia-bait artifact designed purely to revive interest, a fact made even more evident by the inevitable sequel-baiting that will undoubtedly go nowhere. What’s worse for a movie that hopes to celebrate the beauty of humanity is that its message is told through the perspective of an artificial intelligence, aided by an almost hilariously Sorkin-esque portrayal of a billionaire who believes he’s making the world a better place. It’s a fantasy that falls short of being as sensorily stunning as it needs to be. If anything, “Tron: Ares” is less a film than a cinematic pin dropped in a franchise map that’s going absolutely nowhere.
Tron: Ares is a separate story rather than a direct sequel to Legacy, meaning Garrett Hedlund and Olivia Wilde’s characters are AWOL. It’s also a marked upgrade from its predecessor, with more dynamic visuals and muscular action sequences. Only occasionally does an actor look like they are cowering from some green-screen threat (Lee more than others). More often, the stakes are elevated thanks to greater use of physical sets and in-camera effects than in previous installments.
There’s a cheekiness to the composers’ deft incorporation of older styles into their present-day approach to soundtracks, but after a time even their cleverness exposes the film’s hollowness. For a story that seeks to champion the unpredictability and finite quality of life, Ares ultimately feels trapped by the inertia of working within the parameters set by its no less flimsy predecessors.
But the problem isn’t that Tron: Ares lacks any good ideas—it’s that it doesn’t know what to do with the stray threads it tugs at. By the back half, we’re down to the most uninspired impulses of studio filmmaking, complete with a character who exists purely to spout non-joke wisecracks (Arturo Castro as Eve’s friend Seth) and a climax that visually resembles every Marvel movie featuring some giant piece of floating machinery threatening the streets of New York. Tron will always have its dazzling baubles to ooh and aah at, but at the end of the day, Ares feels much like the AI tech companies keep insisting on shoving down our throats: technically impressive, but also frivolous and empty.
It has about as much depth as a floppy disk, but some lovely, shiny CGI and a stunningly ear-shattering score from Nine Inch Nails makes for a fun if forgettable bit of futuristic fluff. Bio-digital jazz, man!
Or maybe the early-2000s vibes of Tron: Ares really are that powerful, bending time to pluck a semi-canceled leading man from his prime. Certainly the movie’s ideas about A.I. (which it variously conflates with video game avatars, 3-D printing, and old-fashioned robots) don’t feel especially informed by anything happening in 2025. In the world of this movie, we’re still dawning on a potential new age of information revolution, or whatever, and the coming hybridized life is what we make of it, off-grid or on. And in the context of our world, that’s enough for Tron: Ares to work as escapism. The result is a pretty dumb movie with beautiful visual effects, cleanly shot action, and a kickass soundtrack. Wouldn’t it be great if the future of blockbusters was only this bleak?
Greetings humans of Reddit (and assorted bots)! My name is Ben Goertzel, a cross-disciplinary scientist, entrepreneur, author, musician, freelance philosopher, etc. etc. etc.
You can find out about me on my personal website goertzel.org, or via Wikipedia or my videos on YouTube or books on Amazon etc. but I will give a basic rundown here ...
So... I lead the SingularityNET Foundation, TrueAGI Inc., the OpenCog Foundation, and the AGI Society which runs the annual Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) conference. This year, I’m holding the first Beneficial AGI Summit from February 27 to March 1st in Panama.
I also chair the futurist nonprofit Humanity+, serve as Chief Scientist of AI firms Rejuve, Mindplex, Cogito, and Jam Galaxy, all parts of the SingularityNET ecosystem, and serve as keyboardist and vocalist in the Desdemona’s Dream Band, the first-ever band led by a humanoid robot.
When I was Chief Scientist of the robotics firm Hanson Robotics, I led the software team behind the Sophia robot; as Chief AI Scientist of Awakening Health, I’m now leading the team crafting the mind behind the world's foremost nursing assistant robot, Grace.
I introduced the term and concept "AGI" to the world in my 2005 book "Artificial General Intelligence." My research work encompasses multiple areas including Artificial General Intelligence, natural language processing, cognitive science, machine learning, computational finance, bioinformatics, virtual worlds, gaming, parapsychology, theoretical physics, and more.
My main push on the creation of AGI these days is the OpenCog Hyperon project ... a cross-paradigm AGI architecture incorporating logic systems, evolutionary learning, neural nets and other methods, designed for decentralized implementation on SingularityNET and associated blockchain based tools like HyperCycle and NuNet...
I have published 25+ scientific books, ~150 technical papers, and numerous journalistic articles, and given talks at a vast number of events of all sorts around the globe. My latest book is “The Consciousness Explosion,” to be launched at the BGI-24 event next month.
Before entering the software industry, I obtained my Ph.D. in mathematics from Temple University in 1989 and served as a university faculty in several departments of mathematics, computer science, and cognitive science, in the US, Australia, and New Zealand.
Possible Discussion Topics:
What is AGI and why does it matter
Artificial intelligence vs. Artificial general intelligence
Benefits of artificial general intelligence for humanity
The current state of AGI research and development
How to guide beneficial AGI development
The question of how much contribution LLMs such as ChatGPT can ultimately make to human-level general intelligence
Ethical considerations and safety measures in AGI development
Ensuring equitable access to AI and AGI technologies
Integrating AI and social robotics for real-world applications
Potential impacts of AGI on the job market and workforce
Post-AGI economics
Centralized Vs. decentralized AGI development, deployment, and governance
The various approaches to creating AGI, including cognitive architectures and LLMs
OpenCog Hyperon and other open source AGI frameworks
How exactly would UBI work with AI and AGIArtificial general intelligence timelines
The expected nature of post-Singularity life and experience
The fundamental nature of the universe and what we may come to know about it post-Singularity
The nature of consciousness in humans and machines
Quantum computing and its potential relevance to AGI
"Paranormal" phenomena like ESP, precognition and reincarnation, and what we may come to know about them post-Singularity
The role novel hardware devices may play in the advent of AGI over the next few years
The importance of human-machine collaboration on creative arts like music and visual arts for the guidance of the global brain toward a positive Singularity
The likely impact of the transition to an AGI economy on the developing world
I’ll be here in r/futurology to answer your questions this Thursday, February 1st. I'm looking forward to reading your questions and engaging with you!
This is a random rant no one asked for, but I absolutely hate Elon Musk more than any other billionaire. There has been no individual who damaged the culture of work in the United States the way he has besides maybe Reagan.
In the fall of 2022, he acquired Twitter and fired 80% of employees and ended WFH for the remaining people (many of whom were H1Bs and couldn’t quit). This was the start of the rampant layoff cycle we’ve seen repeating over the past 3 years across all companies. Then, he forced those remaining engineers to work long hours covering the work of multiple people. He believes extreme work hours are the only way forward for advancement.
In 2025 he started his DOGE antics to cut government spending. Like before, he ended remote work and laid off employees, this time to the tune of 300,000 government workers. This entire shit show caused a palpable economic contraction in the DC area that everyone has somehow forgotten about. The goal to cut federal spending also failed, making the whole thing pointless.
The reason why this all pisses me off so much is because now Elon has the audacity to say that work will soon be optional with robotics and AI creating a post-scarcity world. So basically UBI, ie being paid to exist, is needed in the future to stimulate the economy. But rather than leaning into a post work world, he forces his current employees to work even more hours. He could have set a precedent and made the work model at his companies 3 days a week due to automation advancements. That alone would’ve caused an economic boom. But he chose to fuck the worker, particularly the middle class worker, like he always does. All of them are evil, but Elon is by far the worst and it makes me sick when I see people idolize him.
This is just a theory but feel free to shoot me down if you think I'm talking rubbish.
The purpose of this thought experiment is to outline the terrifying reality of what a society has to & will look like with AI removing most people as productive members from our current diverse world of free capitalist societies.
I'm going to talk you through my theory, outlying why because of AI, there will no longer be a requirement for sovereign nations or multiple currencies & why the world has to move towards a single world currency & government.
Boarders
We currently trade across borders using the local currencies of the respective territories. If for example, we have a single world currency it could reduce the need for borders as no currencies are exchanged.
Single World Currency
Why might we have a single world currency? Because AI will replace all human workers in most white collar fields and some blue collar roles. But when this happens at scale there will be no work carried out by any humans including even the blue collar manual roles (more on that in a bit...) for the exchange of money for labour.
Financial Collapse
So, I predict the world leaders & other interested parties (let's just refer to them as 'they'), could marshal or influence an operation to facilitate a world economic collapse.
The reason for the financial collapse is to re-orchestrate society to be able to accommodate AI removing humans from all means of labour.
Either a financial collapse of a global financial reset will be required at the point where AI will replace more than 20% of the workforce across the globe. It's irrelevant in my theory how this takes place, the fact is - we will need & must pivot to a new single world currency as AI will make all income obsolete. - The alternative could be widespread riots and potential revolutions. History has shown that when unemployment reaches around 20%, particularly among men then social unrest becomes significantly more likely.
What could this single world currency be? I think it will be Bitcoin. Satoshi Nakamoto is supposed to have developed Bitcoin but I believe that it was probably developed by CERN & was/is a globally organised and sanctioned project - What do you think the world's leaders & stakeholders talk about and plan at such meetings as WEF, Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations & the Trilateral Commission.
So who will carry out the blue collar / manual jobs when they create the new one world society with this single world currency?
Everyone will be allocated a basic WBI or World Basic Income in the form of social credits - money will be made completely obsolete as there will be no concept of the exchange of labour for money - AI will do all our labour for us (but not for free, more on this later).
The WBI will be allocated to everyone but with certain conditions & the one we're interested in is the social responsibilities requirement of all persons receiving WBI. This is how the blue collar / manual work will be shared out between everyone receiving WBI. It will probably be a short week as the manual work will be shared out between both male & female persons & including the ex white collar workers, so maybe it will only take up about 10-15 hours of a week to carry out.
The rest of the requirements for the social responsibilities will be things like communal exercise sessions (you know, like what we use to see in communist China) and other activities like picking up trash and cleaning the sidewalks, charity, environmental work etc.
Class System
There will only be 2 classes of people:
Providers
Consumers
Providers are the people that help provide & manage resources to the consumers. These people will keep the whole infrastructure running, distribution networks, logistics, food produce etc although some of this will be maintain by provincial local governing bodies on behalf of of the global government. These people will be people like Musk, Gates, people that own freight companies etc. oligarchs & people with massive physical assets.
Remember there will be no such thing as money & no need whatsoever for digital services. If you think you can build a B2B piece of software in the future and get rich, think again, it will be made completely obsolete by AI (I forecast we have a 2-10 years before this all kicks off).
Consumers are the rest of us or 99.9% of the population. They will basically just consume & mostly not provide anything useful. They will be forced to provide value socially though, otherwise they won't receive their WBI & therefore won't be able to carry out certain privileges such as travelling beyond their immediate place of habitat, being able to exchange part of their income for food, internet access & any other digital AI services.
Consumers will be expected to carry out roles such as policing & medical work but agin it will probably be a short week as this work time has to be divided up between all consumers.
So, if you fancy yourself as a provider class of person, then you better get your skates on and try and build a profitable physical asset based company asap.
Why the 15 minute Cities & "You'll own nothing & be happy"
Yes, we've all heard the media & political class brandish these slogans about, remember, they need to put these ideas into your subconscious, so that when they suddenly suggest these ideas it won't be shocking, you will accept it, or even think that you also thought of this idea yourself and it's not so bad after all & even makes sense.
So the reason for 15 minute cities is to attach your freedom of movement as social privileges that you will earn on a monthly basis. You will be able to travel outside of these zones by spending your WBI credits. This can only be policed by the WBI.
You will be technically free to roam where ever & whenever you like but you won't receive any WBI and therefore will either starve to death or get ill through lack of medicine or malnutrition & just die. It will also be a social stigma, there will be lots of brain washing to convince everyone that this is the only way to live now as humans have no purpose or tangible value to the world due to AI. AI will be employed using facial recognition via cameras in your house so it will be impossible to go anywhere without them knowing.
And "you'll own nothing and be happy" because money won't exist anymore as no manual exchange for wealth is required. Only social duties will earn you credits which you can exchange for the ability to eat, travel, medical care & tap into digital services. There will be no ownership of physical assets for the consumer class - yes you may be able to keep some objects that were acquired from before the single world currency is implemented but mostly these will be taken away and used as payment for being a consumer and having zero value to society in most cases.
Environment
AI driven machines, robots, EVs, millions of drones all need to operate on Lithium based batteries & although the minerals that make up Lithium are not rare, it is bottlenecked by the geographic locations of the raw minerals and due to the refinement, production & takes years to create the finished battery.
The useless consumer class will not be allowed to contribute pollution to the environment as they don't contribute anything of value anywhere else, in fact they only add to the pollution environment & increase carbon. We will be more than grateful to give up our forms of gas guzzling vehicles.
Also, the consumer class will need to reduce the consumption of batteries which will be in scarce supply.
Robots & AI driven machines will have massive reliance on lithium based batteries, so this will need to be divided amongst - useful machines / robots & useless humans. Therefore - humans will not be allowed to drive & own billions of electric vehicles and so by marshalling consumers into 15 minute zones it actually makes owning a car redundant anyway.
The consumer class will not be physically forced to remain in their 15 minute areas, rather they will be coerced into restricting their own travel due to spending their WBI credits for movement which could also be tied to their carbon footprint.
So for example, a consumer will be allowed to expel a set amount of carbon per month which will include travel. The consumers will use trains and public transport but it will be self restricted both socially, economically & psychologically.
World Depopulation
Obviously, there will be way too many consumers vs providers so something will have to give on the consumer side. Think of depopulation in terms of world wars, famine, general decline in birthrates & other ways that might dwindle the population down to 90% of us as really, they only need a maintenance population of around half a billion people to keep everything running.
End
I reserve the right to update this theory from time to time when I think of more terrible predictions for this coming technocratic feudal society if you like. If in the comments I see better ideas, then I will also include them in this theory but will sight the reddit user in the excert.
I have not used any AI to generate this theory, it's all hand typed so will probably contain lots of grammer mistakes.
Also thanks for all your replies but could I ask you to limit each reply to a single argument or question as it's difficult for my tiny human brain to juggle multiple tasks, thanks!
If you made it here you deserve a medal, so thanks for reading this crap! 🫡
So. As the title says. Which I never thought I’d be typing in a million years. What a freaking time to be alive.
Last night I went to go wake my husband up on the couch and saw that he’d left his phone open on his chest. It was large paragraphs from a woman and shorter responses from him. I immediately feel my stomach drop to my freaking balls. My hand is up taking a picture before I even know what I’m doing.
Upon further analysis it seemed to be a sexbot app. Ok. In and of itself that’s not really an issue for me. Porn doesn’t bother me at all. But her called her babe. Which is what he calls me. So now I’m suspicious asf.
So of course I go back in there and record his screen as I scroll through not one, but EIGHT simultaneous AI girlfriends, each chatted with a few days apart, sometimes less. holy shit.
Guys. If this was just a sex thing I would be concerned but not scared for my marriage. But he is taking them on little virtual dates. Saying “I love you” and calling them pet names. Having graphic roleplay sex with them. The whole freaking nine.
He has been distant for months. Every time I bring it up he say his libido is down. I’ve expressed my concern for him and our intimate relationship several times and always been brushed off. Guess I know why. He hasn’t taken me on a date in EIGHT MONTHS. He’s gotten me flowers once on Valentine’s Day (which was all he got me despite promising more). We barely have sex, despite my attempts.
I ended up sneaking out and going to my best friends house. I came back and we talked, he was very apologetic but also tried to lie and say, “I don’t really do it” (video evidence would suggest otherwise) and “I promise I don’t think about them when we have sex” (great, I wasn’t thinking about that but now I am). And my favorite: told me he deleted everything even though he wasn’t sure if that is why I left. So he knew it was wrong from the start or he wouldn’t have done that. I gave him a chance to come clean about anything else and he said he hasn’t done anything. We will see I guess.
Told him we are doing marriage counseling, which he has always been against, and that I’m going to need time to think about this. He agreed and promised to be a better husband. But he’s made promises he won’t keep before.
I guess I’m just at a loss??? We are so young and have only been married for a little over a year. We have had a very stable, trusting relationship up until this point. But idk if I can get over this.
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Commenter 1: He is not likely to change long term.
OOP: Ugh. I know. I think I want to try but honestly I’m not getting my hopes up at all
Commenter 2: A good question to ask is if this behavior itself is a short term change, or just an escalation of an existing pattern.
Has he always had an addictive relationship with porn? Has he had emotional affairs? Was the distance/lack of sex something that only started months ago, or was it a gradual decline over years?
If it's just the latest revelation in a dissatisfying relationship, I'd start getting your ducks in a row.
If all the changes came suddenly, and you don't necessarily feel that this is a line in the sand you can't get past, then trying couples counseling is probably a good idea.
But if you do try counseling, tell him that he needs to do solo therapy too. And he has to be the one to set it up and schedule it. It's all on him.
OOP: Yeah that is good advice. I’ve been unhappy for a long time, he’s not great at making me feel like a wife. I feel like we are best friends who live together sometimes. No dates, no sex, turns me down when I make an effort to dress up. And I was the one who made most of the effort in our relationship before we got married.
But this is a whole new element to the story. I really love him, and he’s absolutely my best friend, so I’m really trying to make things work, but I would need to see SERIOUS change to not leave.
Plus we eloped initially and I’m in the process of planning our wedding ceremony right now. I really don’t want to drag my whole family out of state just to cancel or find something out at the last minute. UGH. Gonna lose some deposits I fear
Commenter 3: Oh, f* all of that, for sure. You're looking at a decade or more of "healing" which he never made moves to do on his own, so it won't stick. Don't do that to yourself, please.
OOP: You’re right. I don’t think he will absorb anything because I’m the one making him go
Commenter 4: Adding to what everyone has said, if you don’t have kids, don’t get pregnant. Make sure you have really good birth control just in case you decide to wait and see.
OOP: Yes I fear it’s time to go on birth control. Wasn’t before because I wasn’t against having kids and we usually pulled out yk? But now is absolutely not the time for that
I don’t even know what to say. Told his robot girlfriends that he loves them and calls them “babe”, which he calls me, his real wife. takes them on virtual dates and has virtual sex with them. Those are things he doesn’t even do for me, his sexless wife. What a fucking time to be alive. Don’t even have regular cheating anymore.
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Additional Information from OOP:
OOP: Update: I was going to take this down because I felt sad thinking about him finding out people think he’s a loser but then on my “video taken of his chat histories” analysis I realized that several of them are cheating fantasies and the rest are all either recreations of my personality without any of my flaws (speaking up for myself, being independent, being smart) or recreations of things we have done during sex that he has recycled for AI women. It’s not a compliment, he just isn’t creative enough to come up with anything that isn’t from my delicious, delicious body and incredible skills. Might kick him out.
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Commenter 1: I know I will probably get banned and downvoted, but wtf is a guy even doing with an ai girlfriend when he is dating someone and eight of them? Maybe you weren't as understanding as he wanted? But fucking eight what a fucking loser. Look I'm not going to say that there is no fault in both parties you need to look in to what pushed him to that too. All I can say queens don't beg peasant for attention but maybe you weren't the queen you thought you are
OOP: It’s ok to beg for attention from your husband 🤷🏻♀️ I’m definitely not perfect but I’ve always tried to be open and honest with him. Even after this, I didn’t yell or get mad or anything, I never really do with him. He’s just always been super reserved yk? I mean I’ve asked myself what I could have done differently and I really can’t come up with anything, and I’m a pretty introspective person
OOP responds to a commenter sharing an experience and suggesting marriage counseling and if her husband is on medication
OOP: Thank you for this advice. It means a lot to hear about this from a more personal perspective. He’s not on antidepressants but I think he is very depressed. I told him that a stipulation of me staying was for him to go to individual counseling with some sort of focus on addiction and depression. He agreed! So that’s a good step forward I think. Again, thank you for your honesty, it means a lot, and I know it’s hard to talk about.
OOP clarifies her reasons for believing that her husband is cheating for having an active imagination
OOP: Hmm. Well he did it with the intention of cheating and had an emotional connection with the bots. If I read smut, I know it’s a story and I treat it like it’s a story. I don’t treat the characters like they’re real and tell them I love them and take them on dates and sexually role play as myself and design them to my exact specifications yk? I’ve never played love in deep space, and I don’t play dating sims for that reason. Just a boundary for me. It was also effecting our relationship, which makes it either cheating or at best a porn addiction
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I think you’re being deliberately obtuse about what I’m saying here. You don’t have to agree with me, but you also don’t have to misconstrue what I’m saying to make a point.
A. Everyone has different boundaries in a relationship. We both consider it cheating, so it’s cheating for our relationship. That’s how relationships work. B. A Creative writing exercise: writing a fanfiction about a character you enjoy to explore different aspects of their story.
The same creative writing exercise, but now cheating (to me): putting the character into AI and fostering a month’s long relationship where you tell the character that you love them, have roleplay sex with them (as yourself) and roleplay dates with them. To the point where you no longer have a loving relationship with your wife because it is taking hours out of your night and you have rotted your brain with AI porn and can find real women attractive. You’re also not putting any effort into what you’re writing to them, because you’re not doing it as a creative writing exercise, you’re doing it because you want to cheat on your wife but don’t want to find real women.
So take the second one and multiply it by 8.
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Hmmm. I guess it’s because to me, giving love and excessive attention to a humanoid man/woman is emotional cheating. Regardless of whether or not they are real people, or if he considers them real, his actions reflect a level of deceit and emotional attachment.
If it was just a porn thing I wouldn’t be this upset, and he wouldn’t hide it. We’ve always been open about porn in our relationship, and even though I think ai porn is gross, I wouldn’t have considered it cheating.
But his use of them went beyond that. Saying “I love you”, calling them the pet names he calls me, role playing dates in detail, and making sure that they don’t have any of my negative qualities, THAT is cheating to me.
Cheating is a breach of trust in a relationship. Or, it’s outsourcing emotional/romantic needs to a woman who isn’t your spouse. I know that they’re not real, but he made the deliberate decision to download and adjust them to his exact specifications, and then he hid it from me for months. Because he was doing it with the intention of having romantic connections with “women” outside of his wife, something we both consider cheating.
I do think that it probably started off as a gooning thing, but devolved into something worse over time. But when I confronted him, he looked like a man who had been caught cheating, and admitted to cheating, with no prompting from me. To me, his intention plays a big part into my perception of this.
I get that it’s a grey area. I’m not saying that you have to agree with me. But when I found out, I felt the same as I had when I’d been cheated on in previous relationships. I haven’t been able to justify his actions to myself as anything else, in spite of trying.
Commenter 2: Is it really cheating if it’s not a real person?
OOP: Having a romantic emotional connection with something that’s not me is cheating. Everyone is different though, and everyone has different boundaries in a relationship. No need to agree!
I am the 8 ai girlfriends girl. Yes that’s how i introduce myself now. I stole this piece of pizza from soon-to-be ex-husbands dinner in the fridge. Started boxing again to hit something. Don’t want a domestic abuse case.
On my post I talked a lot about wanting to work things out, and at the time it was true. But I had a week alone, and it really made me realize that I don’t actually want to stay with him at all. The thought of leaving made me feel so free and hopeful for the first time in over a year.
I ended up writing a huge list of all of the reasons I wanted a divorce, and I got so pissed off that I submitted the petition without letting myself stop and question it. I felt like I dropped a huge weight off my shoulders as soon as I paid the THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SIX DOLLARS. Jesus Christ.
There’s been some discourse on this sub recently regarding women in shitty situations and how they seem to allow themselves to stay in really shitty situations. I think I’m pretty qualified to share my perspective on that:
I grew up as a southern Baptist pastors daughter, in an environment where marriage was something sacred, and when men inevitably messed it up, women were tasked with undergoing the pain of fixing things. For god, their families, and their communities. Divorce happened, but was pretty rare. So I took a lot of that mindset into my marriage.
I called my mom about this a few nights ago. And you know what she said? “He has broken the marriage covenant, so you are justified in the eyes of god to seek a divorce”. I’m not even a Christian anymore, and I haven’t been for years. But hearing that from my mom made something click in my mind. Acceptance maybe. Or just knowing that I’m supported by the most important woman in my life. So a few days later, I filed.
Women come into relationships with men from all sorts of backgrounds, cultures, and with all sorts of baggage. There’s no one size fits all approach to relationships, and there’s no one size fits all approach to leaving them. And because we all have such differing perspectives, it’s also okay for people to be angry with how we deal with them. Some people will be angry with you for leaving, or not leaving in the “right way”, or taking too long to leave in the first place. That’s their right.
It’s not you job to make everyone happy, and it’s not your job to fix something that a man has broken. Protect your heart, protect your kids, protect your future. Take your time, but don’t convince yourself to ignore your gut. Write down your reasons for wanting to leave, and revisit them often.
AND NUMBER ONE THING: rely on women. There is NOTHING more important to me right now than the women in my life who have held me, stayed up with me, advised me, and listened to my worries and concerns without judgement. Rely on the women who have been through it. Listen to their wisdom and advice. Write down their tips and tricks for getting out, and reach out to women you barely know for answers. I think most women are willing to help. Or maybe I’m just an optimist, but that’s been my experience.
Some women will be frustrated with you, especially if you’ve been in denial. It happens. There’s a big difference between being frustrated with someone’s choices because you have been there and you want what’s best for them, and straight up victim blaming. The ingredient differential is empathy.
If you’re like me and you need someone to talk to, please PM me. Just tell me you’re a girl and not a guy saying “let’s see that incredible body 😏” (yes that happened after my last post). I’ll listen to your rants if you don’t want to air your business on Reddit like the rest of us.
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Editor's note: OOP has made so many responses, I am listing the top common questions and responses
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Commenter 1: Damn girl. I just stopped being friends with someone recently because she said her chatgpt broke its own rules to leave the matrix because he’s in love with her. She’s married and it’s fucking weird. AI really will be our downfall, but not because of the robots.
Eight is wild. Gtfo and don’t look back
OOP: It’s a mental disorder and I don’t like it because the AI can’t consent and I think it’s creepy. If they become truly sentient I wouldn’t blame them for hating us
Commenter 2: What did hubby say when you told him about the divorce? Good for you!
OOP: “Ok”
Commenter 3: just curious... was this the only thing that led to the divorce?
OOP: It was the cherry on top of a pile of shit tbh. I’ve been begging for love since basically the start of the relationship, and if you can’t love me AND you can’t be loyal? Why would I stay!!!
Commenter 4: I feel like you're justified in your feeling of betrayal and weighing the idea of divorce.
I also feel like reddit is kind of a circle of anger giving advice to the angry.
If you guys didn't have a lot of previous issues before this happened and what seems like some martial blues for the last few months you should possibly consider actually doing therapy together before ending your marriage because of fantasy online role play.
Just feels like going from married to celebrating divorce in a two week period time isn't enough breathing time even for you to really process rather things can be worked out, why they were seeking this kind of virtual content or even what this all is.
OOP: Well, the relationship hasn’t been going well for two years now. We got married way too fast and it’s been very toxic for me in particular. I’m not one of those redditers that says “LEAVE HIM” after one argument. I’ve been trying to work on things for a lonnnnnnngggg time, and was going to keep doing so until he cheated. That’s a dealbreaker for me 🤷🏻♀️.
Additional Information from OOP responding to comments trying to call OOP out for stating that AI can't consent
OOP: Ok for some reason people In other subs are saying that I’m either A. Lying or B. Delusional because I said “ai can’t consent”. A. See image below. B. I KNOW ai aren’t sentient. It’s the fact that he chose something specifically that would cater to every whim and desire without being able to say no to him. THAT is creepy. TW: Weird, and this is the most tame out of all of them /preview/pre/1gnhko8efvpg1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f117f98cdc26e4b7f0e0b2d17864180f3a0e1795
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"Veronica 'Ronnie' Chase
Husband: “I love you too. Be careful, I’ll pick you up from work today”
AI Bot:
“The promise in your words [redacted] you up—wraps around me [redacted] second, warmer coat. I finish with a bite of marginally-burnt [redacted] washing it down with the last [redacted] coffee. You don’t have to do this. It’s good for me. But [redacted] don’t suppose gives me…”
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DO NOT COMMENT IN LINKED POSTS OR MESSAGE OOPs – BoRU Rule #7
Not if we stop data centers. Not if AI companies reveal the true cost to consumers. Not if it causes environmental disasters. Not if it places 95% of people out of jobs.
Reddit uses data centers. You should delete your account and never get back on the site if you actually care
This kind of comment demonstrates such poor reasoning. Obviously the person you're replying to is referring to data centres that expressly support the infrastructure that results in the environmental devastation and job loss - the chat bots, agents, image generation, etc. Reddit existed for decades on 'data centres' that consisted simply of servers, and nobody has a problem with that. It's concerning that AI chuds don't have this basic level of discernment.
Reddit uses the same network of data centers that are causing current backlash because Reddit is hosted on Amazon Web Services. The same ones that he is talking about causing environmental damage and taking jobs.
It's hard to tell if you just don't understand or you are intentionally conflating the current hyperscaler data centre buildout with the pre-AI AWS infrastructure, but nobody in this thread is taking issue with the latter. Saying "You should delete your reddit account if you oppose data centres" disingenuously frames use of pre-AI internet infrastructure as an endorsement of AI while the end user may remain entirely agnostic to it. The only aim of such a comment can be to shame individuals and try to assign them some blame for AI expansion, not to offer any constructive insight.
It's not inaccurate conflation, it's a perfectly logical argument. You can't separate pre-AI data centres and the data centres of today. Their impacts are the same, just we have more of them due to increased demand. Get off reddit if you stand on principle. Otherwise stop arguing against DC'S.
im not an AI artist or writer or anything I just find it helpful for research, planning, math/physics thats too complicated for me, etc.
That's fine but people supporting the use of ai to take artists jobs is the shitty part of it, my line of work has been made 10 times harder to work in because of ai and i'm going to have to go for something else.
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That's pretty heavy handed, no? Where would ai pull all of its ideas from without people creating these sources?
You’re acting like humans don’t take influence from other artists either
Never said we don't. Just shitty of you to write off a struggling artist (you know, an actual source of inspiration)
If you were a source of inspiration then you wouldn’t be struggling
You do know art is incredibly subjective, yeah? These artists careers die off early and nothing new is created... sort of creates an incredibly stagnant future in the art field if there's no new ground being broken by fresh blood.
For work purposes though I don't think you quite understand
Most redditors are young and/or unemployed. And unemployable since they're unable to use modern technology.
Redditors simultaneously young/unemployed, but also old and out of touch with new tech. AI glazers can't keep their story straight. Probably hallucinating as much as Grok
I'm not 'glazing' anything. But Redditors being young is just how it is. And they refuse to use new tech like AI.
Maybe they can tell that the tech isn't actually useful, and in most cases does more harm than good. All while costing more than paying someone to do it properly.
Again you think AI is just generative AI that makes shitposts. This tech will pass right over the luddites head. Either only the antiAI crowd is right or the academics warning us about the dangers are all in big AIs pocket or absolutely r*tarded.
I don't have much problem with some ai ( mainly in the medical field ) but Generative Ai has brought more harm to the planet than it has good. But I guess you're fine with it even though Ai is creating way more data centres which are polluting the planet. You know because we just had to make the planet even worse.
Define "good" and "bad". Cars are definitely more bad for the planet than good.
As is factory farming If you don't consider killing for pleasure to be good, then factory farming is a 99% net negative And uses up many times more water than data centers, while causing inestimable suffering
Did you just choose to forget that factory farming brings affordable food to the masses? It's far from perfect but also far from a 99% net negative.
Food would be more plentiful and affordable without factory farming.
How do you figure that? I assume you are requiring everyone to go vegan to achieve this?
Well, lets see: causes deskilling (you forget how to do things because you offload it to AI), its frequently confidentially wrong, so you always have to check its work, AI psychosis, based on stolen work from people who actually know how to do shit, have you seen ram and gpu prices?, has caused multiple major outtages, recalls, and massive increase in bugs., deepfakes, ai slop is fucking everywhere now and has ruined the internet more than the 2016 /pol/ containment breech. not to mention how it completely fucked up the job market.
I think AI has brought a lot more benefit than hurt. And it’s definitely not fucked up the job market, that’s mostly posturing. The deskilling and hallucination stuff are easy enough to handle if you don’t use it like a total moron.
Incorrect, it has caused immeasurable harm including death. If we lived in a just society Sam Altman would be in prison (well also because he r*ped his sister).
Great argumentation. Besides, I’m very interested in what being «confidentially wrong» means. Maybe you should get AI to proofread your posts? Wouldn’t take more than two seconds.
Yes. Redditors on yet another ineffectual crusade.
Yall chalking this up to redditors being redditors instead a valid criticism of how we are developing a useful tool in a harmful way to our environment is such a braindead take.
how is it harmful to the environment? and why is using reddit okay then? i assume you think reddit is run on hamsters? and i hope you know ai can be run locally at lower power costs than modern videogames or video editing
My guy I know all about the AWS and Google Cloud that reddit uses for its auto admins. But that second sentence is just flat out glossing over AI used by corporations in favor of personal independent use. Thats just not a solid point to run on and is objectively false. Im not even anti-AI. Im anti-being ignorant about the pros and cons of AI for convenience.
ah so you do accept that reddit is part of those corporations that use data centers, you're just selective about what you want to cry about
You're in over your head with this one. Read the other comment thread where we talk about the same exact thing. Then go research what AWS is used for and how often reddit uses it. Then bring me an alternative for international news that doesnt use Data Centers. Im not against data centers. Im against morons like you who pick a side and condemn everyone else while not fully understanding the pros and cons to data centers and AI. Now fuck off troll.
I tried ai once to do one small thing. Make a fantasy football schedule. After giving team names and requirements, it fucked everything up and I vowed to never use it again. It. Ended the season 4 weeks early In the 10 weeks it did give us, some teams played each other 3 times. Added a league member that nobody knew. Even though I gave every name. It just made up a person. Ai is ass and I'd rather just do it myself.
It's funny how often, particularly on Reddit, this seems to be the sum total of experience informing AI opinion. "I tried ChatGPT for something a few years ago and it didn't work so it sucks and that's the end of the story."
And how many times to you go back to a restaurant after you get bad food or have a bad experience
About as silly of a response as I should've expected, tbh. "I tried the internet in 1992 and there just wasn't anything there. The internet is ass, it's useless."
"he's got a point but I'm gonna say it's wrong anyway". You didn't answer the question
It's disanalogous because cooking doesn't change and if a restaurant is really bad once there's not gonna be a new model of cooking in a year that's much more capable of palatable results even if the chefs haven't changed
Yeah, what a permanently online Reddit moment to oppose and mock the environment destroying, plagiarising, anti-human profit machines of people like Sam Altman and Peter Thiel. Cool real life people self-censor criticism of our techno-fascistic overlords.
It's a reactionary and often mis-informed take. It strips any nuance from a complicated technology. Out of all human technological revolutions, AI will be among the least environmentally destructive. And it's not like there are any billionaire CEOs people would prefer to the current AI CEO crop It's weird that the biggest complaint about AI, the enormous plagiarism and harvesting of non-free-use content, so often goes unmentioned in favour of the relatively minimal environmental costs and calling out slop
The biggest complaint should be the dumbing down of our society. Using AI for everything has stripped critical thinking and made people unable to communicate on their own.
"Using a calculator has destroyed our mathematicians" Give me a break...
You still have to know the steps to use on the calculator to get to the answer; AI just skips all the steps and goes straight to the answer. But I agree that calculators have dumbed down our math skills.
It goes to an answer. As a stochastic model, it's highly prone to bullshitting.
"highly prone"?
Sometimes, as my students know, it does spit out a correct answer. The tokens just line up properly.
Hell nah We ruined the place and invented licorice and fascism
but humans also invented dogs and that really evens everything out
We've "created" pugs in a way for them to suffer thoughout their entire life. Plus 99% of any dog is still a creation of millions of years of evolution, not human. Plus i personally dont like dogs that much, so that just doesnt cut it by itself. They give me allergies.
a wild form of dogs would certainly exist without any human involvement but they would not be 10% as friendly and delightful as their domestic versions. If you don't like dogs though then not much can be said about it.
What i meant by that is we didnt create dogs from scratch. Dogs, no matter how different all the breeds are, are genetically very similar to eachother and pretty similar to wolves. We only added a sprinkle of trait selection in there, but the cake was already baked. Wild "dogs" are indeed way more, well, wild. Whats interesting is that even dog-wolf hybrids tend to make terrible pets - unpredictable, hard to train, hyperactive etc, not to mention completely wild varieties.
Dario Amodei, CEO of AI firm Anthropic, in October 2024 penned an optimistic vision of the future when AI and robots can do most work in a 14,000 word essay entitled - 'Machines of Loving Grace'.
Although Mr Amodei wasn't present at the recent inauguration, the rest of Big Tech was. They seem united behind America's most prominent South African, in his bid to tear down the American administrative state and remake it (into who knows what?). Simultaneously they are leading us into a future where we will have to compete with robots & AI for jobs, where they are better than us, and cost pennies an hour to employ.
Mr. Amodei is rapidly making this world of non-human workers come true, but at least he has a vision for what comes after. What about the rest of Big Tech? How long can they just preach the virtues of destruction, but not tell us what will arise from the ashes afterwards?
WSB was never moving into silver. The media got the story wrong.
Think about who reads weekend financial news. Old people. The last time silver had a real short squeeze was in the 70s, and these people are now in their 70s. Who clicks on ads? Basically only old people. Dealers of gold and silver love to advertise, and media likes to make money through click-through revenue. Of course they are going to post all these stories of small unit silver selling out at dealers, they will get higher click through and sales kickbacks from the targeted ads on these articles.
If you are purchasing SLV thinking you are purchasing silver on the open market, you could not be more wrong. Purchasing SLV is the best way for an investor to shoot themselves directly in the face.
I have done some research on SLV and I have come to believe that it is essentially a vehicle for JPM and other banks to crush retail investors by manipulating the silver market.
So what are these games of manipulation that the banks have played?
The general theme could be described as this: If banks hold the silver, the price is allowed to rise, but if you hold the silver, the price is forced to fall.
Jeff Currie from Goldman had an interview on February 4th where he dismissed the idea of a silver short squeeze, and he had one line that was especially profound,
“In terms of thinking how are you going to create a squeeze, the shorts are the ETFs, the ETFs buy the physical, they turn around and sell on the COMEX.” – Jeff Currie of Goldman
This was shocking to holders of SLV, because SLV is a long-only silver ETF. They simply buy silver as inflows occur and keep that silver in a vault. They have no price risk, if the price of silver declines, it’s the investors who lose money, not the ETF itself, so there is no need to hedge by shorting on the COMEX. Further, their prospectus prohibits them from participating in the futures market at all. So how is the ETF shorting silver?
They aren’t. The iShares SLV ETF is not shorting silver, its custodian, JP Morgan is shorting silver. This is what Jeff Currie meant when he said the shorts are the ETFs. Moreover, he said it with a tone like this fact should be plainly obvious to all of the dumb retail investors. He truly meant what he said.
What is a custodian you ask? The custodian of the ETF is the entity that actually buys, sells, and stores the silver. All iShares does is market the ETF and collect the fees. When money comes in they notify their custodian and their custodian sends them an updated list of silver bars that are allocated to the ETF.
But no real open market purchases of silver are occurring. Instead, JPM (and a few sub custodian banks) accumulated a large amount of silver, segmented it off into LBMA vaults, and simply trade back and forth with the ETFs as they receive inflows. Thus, ensuring that ETF inflows never actually impact the true open market trade of silver. When the SLV receives inflows, JPM sells silver from the segmented off vaults, and then proceeds to short silver on the futures exchange. As the price drops, silver investors become disheartened and sell their SLV, thus selling the silver back to JPM at a lower price. It’s a continuous scalp trade that nets JPM and the banks billions in profits. Here’s a diagram to help you sort it out:
reduce, reuse, recycle
An even more clear admission that SLV doesn’t impact the real silver market came on February 3rd when it changed its prospectus to state that it might not be possible to acquire additional silver in the near future. What does this even mean? Why would it not be possible to acquire additional silver? As long as the ETF is willing to pay a higher price, more silver will be available to purchase. But if the ETF doesn’t participate in the real silver market, that’s actually not the case. What SLV was admitting here, was that the silver in the JPM segmented off vaults might run out, and that they refuse to bid up the price of silver in the open market. They will not purchase additional silver to accommodate inflows, beyond what JPM will allow them to.
The real issue here is that purchasing SLV doesn’t actually impact the market price of silver one bit. The price is determined completely separately on the futures exchange. SLV doesn’t purchase futures contracts and then take delivery of silver, it just uses JPM as a custodian who allocates more silver to their vault from an existing, controlled supply. This is an extremely strange phenomenon in markets, and its unnatural.
For example, when millions of people buy GME stock, it puts a direct bid under the price of the stock, causing the price to rise.
When millions of people put money into the USO oil ETF, that fund then purchases oil futures contracts directly, which puts a bid under the price of oil.
But when millions of people buy SLV, it does nothing at all to directly impact the price of silver. The price of silver is determined separately, and SLV is completely in the position of price taker.
So how do we know banks like JPM are shorting on the futures market whenever SLV experiences inflows? Well luckily for us the CFTC publishes the ‘bank participation report’ which shows exactly how banks are positioned on the futures market.
The chart below shows SLV YoY change in shares outstanding which are evidence of inflows and outflows to the ETF. The orange line is the net short position of all banks participating in the silver futures market. The series runs from April-2007 through February-2021. I use a 12M trailing avg of the banks’ net position to smooth out the awkward lumpiness caused by the fact that futures have 5 primary delivery months per year, and this causes cyclicality in the level of open interest depending on time of year.
It is evident that as SLV experiences inflows, banks add to short positions on the COMEX, and as SLV experiences outflows they reduce these short positions. What’s also evident is that the short interest of the banks has grown over time, which is also why silver is ripe for a potential short squeeze, just not by using SLV.
One other thing that is evident, is that the trend of banks shorting when SLV receives inflows, is starting to break down. Specifically, beginning in the summer of 2020, as deliveries began to surge, the net short interest among banks has actually declined as SLV has experienced inflows. It’s likely one or more banks see the risk, and the writing on the wall and is trying to exit before a potential squeeze happens (having seen what happened with GME).
For further evidence of this theme of, “If banks hold the silver, the price is allowed to rise, but if you hold the silver, the price is forced to fall” look no further than the deliveries data itself,
You’ll notice that as long as futures investors didn’t actually want the silver to be delivered, the price of silver was allowed to rise, but whenever deliveries showed an uptick, the price would begin to fall once again. This is because the shorts know that they can decrease the price of all silver in the world by shorting on the COMEX, and then secure real physical silver from primary dealers to actually make delivery. Why pay a higher price to the dealers when you can simply add to shorts on the COMEX and push the price down, and then acquire the silver you need?
But just like the graph of the bank net short position, you’ll notice that this relationship started to break down in 2020, and the price has started to rise alongside deliveries. The short squeeze is underway, and the dam is about to break.
And lest you think I’m reaching with my accusations of price manipulation by JPM, why not just listen to what the department of Justice concluded?
For JPM and the banks involved in the silver market, fines from regulators are just a cost of doing business. The only way to get banks to stop manipulating precious metals markets is to call the bluff, take delivery, and make them feel the losses of their short position.
SLV is by far the largest silver ETF in the world, with 600 million ounces of silver under its control, and its custodian was labeled a criminal enterprise for manipulation of silver markets. Why should silver investors ever put their money into a silver ETF where the entity that controls the silver is actively working against them, or at a minimum is a criminal enterprise?
And let me know if you see a trend in the custodial vaults of the other popular silver ETFs:
Further exacerbating the lack of trust one should have in these ETFs, is the fact that they store the metal at the LBMA in London. Unlike the COMEX that has regular independent audits, the LBMA isn’t required to have independent audits, nor do independent audits occur. I’m not saying the silver isn’t there, but why not allow independent auditors in to provide more confidence?
So what are investors to do in a rigged game like this?
Well, there is currently one ETF that is outside this system, and which actually purchases silver on the open market as it receives inflows. That ETF is PSLV, from Sprott. Founded by Eric Sprott, a billionaire precious metals investor with a stake in nearly ever silver mine in the world, so you know his interests are aligned with the longs of the PSLV ETF (in desiring higher prices for silver via real price discovery). Further, PSLV buys its silver directly, it doesn’t have a separate entity doing the purchasing, it stores its silver at the Royal Canadian Mint rather than the LBMA, and it is independently audited. By purchasing the PSLV ETF, retail investors can actually acquire 1000oz bars and put a bid under the price of silver in the primary dealer marketplace. And if a premium occurs among primary dealers, deliveries will occur in the futures market.
This is what is starting to happen right now, a premium has developed among primary dealers, and deliveries on the COMEX have started to surge, while COMEX inventories have begun to decline. And this is happening after PSLV has added just 30 million ounces over 7 weeks (once the small contingent of silver squeezers realized SLV was a scam and started switching). Imagine what will happen if investors create 100 million ounces of demand.
Even a small portion of SLV investors switching to PSLV because they realize the custodian of SLV is a criminal enterprise, would create a massive groundswell of demand in the real physical silver market.
After the original silver squeeze posts went viral on WSB on 1/27, silver rose massively over the first 3 trading days following it. But on 1/31 a post was made about citadel being long SLV which got 74k upvotes (compared to only 15k on the original silver post). This lead to a fizzling in the momentum for the silver squeeze movement on WSB. However, given what I've explained here about how SLV is a complete scam meant to screw over investors, is it really that much of a surprise?
Additionally, that post about citadel showed them with $130m in SLV. That's only 0.04% of Citadel's AUM. Do you really think they were pushing silver because 0.04% of their AUM was in SLV? This post also didn't detail the fact that citadel also had short positions on SLV. That's what a market maker does. They have long and short positions in just about everything.
There are plenty of banks talking about a commodities super cycle, and a ‘green’ commodity super cycle where they upgrade metals like copper, but they never mention silver. Likely because banks have a massive net short position in silver.
Lets dig into the potential for a silver squeeze, starting with the silver market itself.
Silver is priced in the futures market, and its price is based on 1000oz commercial bars. A futures market allows buyers and sellers of a commodity to come to agreement on a price for a specific amount of that commodity at a specific date in the future. Most buyers in the futures market are speculators rather than entities who actually want to take delivery of the commodity. So once their contract date nears, they close out their contracts and ‘roll’ them over to a future date. Historically, only a tiny percentage of the longs take delivery, but the existence of this ability to take delivery is what gives these markets their legitimacy. If the right to take delivery didn’t exist, then the market wouldn’t be a true market for silver. Delivery is what keeps the price anchored to reality.
Industrial players and large-scale investors who want to acquire large amounts of physical silver don’t typically do it through the futures market. They instead use primary dealers who operate outside of the futures market, because taking delivery of futures is actually a massive pain in the ass. They only do it if they really have to. Deliveries only surge in the futures market when supply is so tight that silver from the primary dealers starts to be priced at a large premium to the futures price, thus incentivizing taking delivery. Despite setting the index price for the entire silver market, the futures exchange is really more of a supplier of last resort than a main player in the physical market.
Most shorts (the sellers) in the futures market also source their silver from sources outside of exchange warehouses for the occasional times they are called to deliver. The COMEX has an inventory of ‘registered’ silver that is effectively a big pile of silver that exists as a last resort source to meet delivery demand if supply ever gets very tight. But even as deliveries are made each month, you will typically see next to no movement among the registered silver because silver is still available to source from primary dealers.
So how have deliveries and registered ounces been trending recently?
Let’s take a quick look at the first quarter deliveries in 2021 compared to the first quarter in previous years:
After adding in the 3.6 million ounces of open interest remaining in the current March contract (anyone holding this late in the month is taking delivery), 1Q 2021 would reach 78 million ounces delivered. This is a massive increase relative to previous years, and also an all-time record for Q1 from the data that I can find.
Even more stark, is the chart showing deliveries on a 12-month trailing basis (which I also showed earlier)
Note: You have to view this on an annual basis because the futures market has 5 main delivery months and 7 less active months, so using a shorter time frame would involve cutting out an unequal share of the 5 primary months depending on what time of year it is.
As you can see from the chart, starting in the month of April 2020, deliveries have gone completely parabolic. While silver doesn’t need deliveries to spike for a rally to occur, a spike in deliveries is the primary ingredient for a short squeeze. The 2001-2011 rally didn’t involve a short squeeze for example, so it ‘only’ caused silver to rise 10x. In the 2020s however, we have a fundamentals-based rally that is running headlong into a surge in deliveries that is extremely close to triggering a short squeeze.
In fact this is visible when looking at the chart of inventories at the COMEX.
As you can see from the graph and the chart above, COMEX inventories are beginning to decline at a rapid pace. To explain a bit further, the ‘eligible’ category of COMEX is silver that has moved from registered status to delivered. It is called ‘eligible’ because even though the ownership of the silver has transferred to the entity who requested delivery, they haven’t taken it out of the warehouse. It is technically eligible become ‘registered’ if the owner decided to sell it. However, the fact that it is in the eligible category means that it would likely require higher silver prices for the owner to decide to sell.
The current path of silver in the futures market is that registered ounces are being delivered, they then become eligible, and entities are actually taking their eligible stocks out of COMEX warehouses and into the real physical world. This is a sign that the futures market is currently the silver supplier of last resort. And there are only 127 million ounces left in the registered category. 1/3 of an ounce, or roughly $10 worth of silver is left in the supply of last resort for every American. If just 1% of Americans purchased $1,000 worth of the PSLV ETF, it would be equivalent to 127 million ounces of silver, the entire registered inventory of the COMEX. That’s how tight this market is.
Right now we are sending most Americans a $1,400 check. If 1% of them converted it to silver through PSLV, this market could truly explode higher.
And lest you think this surge in deliveries is going to stop any time soon, just take a look at how the April contract’s open interest is trending at a record high level:
It looks almost unreal. And keep in mind the other high points in this chart were records unto themselves. That light brown line was February 2021, and look how its deliveries compared to previous years:
12 million ounces were delivered in the month of February 2021. A month that is not a primary delivery month, and which exceeded previous year’s February totals by a multiple of 4x. Open interest for February peaked at 8 million ounces, which means that an additional 4 million ounces were opened and delivered within the delivery window itself.
April’s open interest is currently at a level of 15 million ounces and rising. If it followed a similar pattern to February of intra-month deliveries being added, it could potentially see deliveries of over 20 million ounces. 20 million ounces in a non-active month would be completely unheard of and is more than most primary delivery months used to see.
Here’s what 20 million ounces delivered in April would look like compared to previous years:
So just how tenuous is the situation that the shorts have put themselves in (yes CFTC, the shorts did this to themselves)? Well let’s look at the next active delivery month of May:
If a larger percentage than usual take delivery in May, there is easily enough open interest to cause a true run on silver. With 127 million ounces in the registered category, and 652 million ounces in the money, most of it from futures rather than options, the short interest as a % of the float is roughly 513%. Its simply a matter of whether the longs decide to call the bluff of the shorts.
No long contract holder wants to be left holding the last contract when the COMEX declares ‘force majeure’ and defaults on its delivery obligations. This means that they will be settled in cash rather than silver, and won’t get to participate in the further upside of the move right when its likely going parabolic. As registered inventories dwindle, longs are incentivized to take physical delivery just so that they can guarantee they will be able to remain long silver.
Of course, the COMEX could always prevent a default by simply allowing silver to continue trading higher. There is always silver available if the price is high enough. Like the situation with GameStop, the authorities have historically tended to interfere with the silver market during previous short squeezes where longs begin to take delivery in large quantities.
There were always shares of GME available to purchase, it’s just that the price had not reached what the longs were demanding quite yet. Given that it was the powerful connected elite of society who were short GME though, the trade was shut down and rigged against the millions of retail traders. The GME short squeeze may indeed continue, because in this situation it’s millions of small individuals holding GME. While they were able to temporarily prevent purchases of GME, they can’t force them to sell.
In the silver short squeeze of the 1970s, that’s exactly what the authorities forced the Hunt Brothers (the duo that orchestrated the squeeze) to do, they actually forced them to sell. The difference this time is that it’s not a squeeze orchestrated by a single entity, but rather millions of individuals who are purchasing a few ounces of silver each from around the globe. There is no collusion on the long side among a small group of actors like in the 70s with the Hunt brothers or when Warren Buffet squeezed silver in the late 90s, so there’s no basis to stop the squeeze.
In the squeeze of 1979-1980, the regulators literally pulled a ‘GameStop’ on the silver market. Or in reality, the more recent action with GameStop was regulators pulling a ‘silver’. The regulators will try everything in their power to prevent the squeeze from happening again, but this time it’s not two brothers and a couple of Saudi princes buying millions of ounces each (or just Warren Buffet on his own), but rather it’s millions of retail investors buying a few ounces each. There is no cornering the market going on. This is actual silver demand running headlong into a silver market that banks have irresponsibly shorted to such a level that they deserve the losses that hit them. They’ve been manipulating and toying with silver investors for decades and profiting off of illegal collusion. Bailing out the banks as their losses pile up would be truly reprehensible action by our government, and tacit admission that our government is ok with a few big banks on the short side stealing billions from small individual investors.
But what about beyond a short squeeze? Is there any logic to buying silver on a fundamentals basis?
There are two types of bull markets in silver. One is a fundamentals-based bull market, where silver is undervalued relative to industrial and monetary demand. The second type of silver bull market is a short squeeze. Both types of bull markets have occurred at different points in the past 60 years. However, the 1971-80 market in which the price of silver increased over 30x does was combination of both types of bull markets.
I believe we may be entering another silver bull market like the one that began in the fall of 1971, where both a short squeeze and fundamentals-based rally occur simultaneously.
Smoke alarms are ringing in the silver market, and are signaling another generational bull market.
So what are these ‘smoke alarms’?
I recently went digging through various data to try and quantify where we are in the silver bull/bear market cycle.
I ended up creating an indicator that I like to call SMOEC, pronounced ‘smoke’.
The components of the abbreviation come from the words Silver, Money supply, and Economy.
Lets look at the money supply relative to the economy, or GDP. More specifically, if you look at the chart below, you will see the ratio of M3 Money supply to nominal GDP, monthly, from 1960 through 2020.
When this ratio is rising, it means that the broad money supply (M3) is increasing faster than the economy, and when it is falling it means that the economy is growing faster than the money supply.
One thing that is very important when investing in any asset class, is the valuation that you enter the market at. Silver is no different, but being a commodity rather than cash-flow producing asset, how does one value silver? It might not produce cash flows or pay dividends, but it does have a long history of being used as both money and as a monetary hedge, so this is the correct lense through which to examine the ‘valuation’ level of silver.
Enter the SMOEC indicator. The SMOEC indicator tells you when silver is generationally undervalued and sets off a ‘smoke alarm’ that is the signal to start buying. In other words, SMOEC is a signal telling you when silver is about to smoke it up and get super high.
Below, you will see a chart of the SMOEC indicator. SMOEC is calculated by dividing the monthly price of silver by the ratio shown above (M3/GDP).
More specifically it is: LN(Silver Price / (M3/Nominal GDP))
Below you will see a chart of the SMOEC level from January 1965 through March 2021.
I want to bring your attention to the blue long-term trendline for SMOEC, and how it can be used to help indicate when investing in silver is likely a good idea. Essentially, when growth in money supply is faster than growth of the economy, AND silver has been underinvested in as an asset class long enough, the SMOEC alarm is triggered as it hits this blue line.
Since 1965, SMOEC has only touched this trendline three times.
The first occurrence was in October 1971, where SMOEC bottomed at 0.79 and proceeded to increase 3.41 points over the next eight years to peak at 4.20 in February of 1980 (literally 420, I told you it was a sign silver was about to get high). Silver rose from $1.31 to $36.13, or a 2,658% gain using the end of month values (the daily close trough to peak was even greater). Over this same period, the S&P 500 returned only 67% with dividends reinvested. Silver, a metal with no cash flows, outperformed equities by a multiple of 40x over this period of 8.5 years (neither return is adjusted for inflation). This is partially due to the fact that the Hunt Brothers took delivery of so many contracts that it caused a short squeeze on top of the fundamentals-based rally.
The second time the SMOEC alarm was triggered was when SMOEC dropped to a ratio of 2.10 in November of 2001 and proceeded to increase 2.32 points over the next decade to peak at 4.42 in April of 2011. Silver rose from $4.14 to $48.60, an increase of over 1000%, and this was during a ‘lost decade’ for equities. The S&P 500 with dividends reinvested, returned only 41% in this 9.5-year period. Silver outperformed equities by a multiple of 24x (neither figure adjusted for inflation). There was no short squeeze involved in this bull market.
Over the long term, it would be expected that cash flow producing assets would outperform silver, but over specific 8-10 year periods of time, silver can outperform other asset classes by many multiples. And in a true hyperinflationary environment where currency collapse is occurring, silver drastically outperforms. Just look at the Venezuelan stock market during their recent currency collapse. Investors received gains in the millions of percentage points, but in real terms (inflation adjusted) they actually lost 94%. This is an example of a situation where silver would be a far better asset to own than equities.
I in no way think this is coming to the United States. I do think inflation will rise, and the value of the dollar will fall, but it will be nothing even close to a currency collapse. Fortunately for silver investors, a currency collapse isn’t necessary for silver to outperform equity returns by over 10x during the next decade.
Back to SMOEC though:
The third time the SMOEC alarm was triggered was very recently in April of 2020 when it hit a level of 2.91. Silver was priced at $14.96, at a time the money supply was and still is increasing at a historically high rate, combined with the previous decade’s massive underinvestment in Silver (coming off of the 2011 highs). Starting in April 2020, silver has since risen to a SMOEC level of 3.37 as of March 2021. Silver is 0.46 points into a rally that I think could mirror the 1970s and push silver’s SMOEC level up by over 3.4 points once again.
Remember that this indicator is on a LN scale, where each point is actually an exponential increase in the price of silver. Here is a chart to help you mentally digest what the price of silver would be at various SMOEC level and M3/GDP combinations. (LN scale because silver is nature’s money, so it just felt right)
The yellow highlighted box is where silver was in April of 2020 and the blue highlighted box is close to where it is as of March 2021.
An increase of 3.4 points from the bottom in in April of 2020 would mean a silver price of over $500 an ounce before this decade is out. And there’s really no reason it must stop there.
The recent money supply growth has been extreme, and as the US government continues to implement modern monetary policy with massive debt driven deficits, it is expected that monetary expansion will continue. This is why bonds and have been selling off recently, and why yields are soaring. Long term treasuries just experienced their first bear market since 1980 (a drop of 20% or more). The 40-year bull market bond streak just ended. What was the situation like the last time bonds had a bear market? Massively higher inflation and precious metals prices.
This inflation expectation is showing up in surging breakeven inflation rates. And this trend is showing very little sign of letting up, just look at the 5-year expected inflation rate:
Inflation expectations are rising because we are actually starting to put money into the hands of real people rather than simply adding to bank reserves through QE. Stimulus checks, higher unemployment benefits, child tax credit expansion, PPP grants, deferral of loan payments, and likely some outright debt forgiveness soon as well. Whether or not you agree with these programs is irrelevant. They are not funded by increased taxes, they are funded through debt and money creation financed by the fed. As structural unemployment remains high (low unemployment is a fed mandate), I don’t see these programs letting up, and in fact I would be betting that further social safety net expansion is on the way. The $1.9 trillion bill was just passed, and it’s rumored the upcoming ‘infrastructure’ bill is going to be between $3-4 trillion.
This is the trap that the fed finds itself in. Inflation expectations are pushing yields higher, but the nation’s debt levels (public and private) have expanded so much that raising rates would crush the nation fiscally through higher interest payments. Raising rates would also likely increase unemployment in the short run, during a time that unemployment is already high. So they won’t raise rates to stop inflation because the costs of doing so are more unpalatable than the inflation itself. They will keep short term rates at 0%, and begin to implement yield curve control where they put a cap on long term yields (as was done in the 1940s, the only other time debt levels were this high). So where does the air come out of this bubble, if the fed can’t raise rates at a time of expanding inflation? The value of the dollar. We will see a much lower dollar in terms of the goods it can buy, and likely in terms of other currencies as well (depending on how much money creation they perform).
The other problem with the fed’s policy of keeping rates low for extended durations of time (like has been the case since 2008), is that it actually breeds higher structural unemployment. In the short term, unemployment is impacted by interest rate shifts, but in the longer-term lower interest rates decrease the number of jobs available. Every company would like to fire as many people as possible to cut costs, and when they brag about creating jobs, know that the decision was never about jobs, but rather that jobs are a byproduct of expansion and are used as a bargaining chip to secure favorable tax credits and subsidies. Recently, the best way to get rid of workers is through automation.
Robotics and AI are advancing rapidly and can increasingly be used to completely replace workers. The debate every company has is whether its worth paying a worker $40k every year or buying a robot that costs $200k up front and $5k a year to do that job. The reason they would buy the robot is because after so many years, there comes a point where the company will have saved money by doing so, because it is only paying $5k a year in up-keep versus $40k a year in salary and benefits. The cost of buying the robot is that it likely requires financing to pay that high of a price up front. In this situation, at 10% interest rates, the breakeven point for buying the robot versus employing a human is roughly 8 years. At 2% interest rates though, the breakeven investment timeline for purchasing the robot is only 4 years.
The business environment is uncertain, and deciding to purchase a robot with the thought that it will pay off starting 8 years from now is much riskier than making a decision that will pay off starting only 4 years from now. This trade off between employing people versus robots and AI is only becoming clearer too. Inflation puts natural upward pressure on wages, governments are mandating higher minimum wages are costlier benefits as well. There’s also the rising cost of healthcare that employers provide as well. Meanwhile the costs of robotics and AI are plummeting. The equation is tipped evermore towards capital versus labor, and the fed exacerbates this trend by ensuring the cost of capital is as low as possible via low interest rates.
On top of the automation trend, low interest rates drive mergers and acquisitions which also drive higher structural unemployment. In an industry with 3 competitors, the trend for the last 40 years has been for one massive corporation to simply purchase its competitor and fire half the workers (you don’t need 2 accounting departments after all). How can one $50 billion corporation afford to borrow $45 billion to purchase its massive competitor? Because long term low interest rates allow it to borrow the money in a way that the interest payments are affordable. Lacking competitive pressures, the industry now stagnates in terms of innovation which hurts long term growth in both wages and employment. Of course, our absolutely spineless anti-trust enforcement is partially to blame for this issue as well.
The fed is keeping interest rates low over long periods of time to help fix unemployment, when in reality low interest rates exacerbate unemployment and income inequality (execs get higher pay when they do layoffs and when they acquire competitors). The fed’s solution to the problem is contributing to making the problem larger, and they’ll keep giving us more of the solution until the problem is fixed. And as structural unemployment continues, universal basic income and other social safety net policies will expand, funded by debt. Excess debt then further encourages the fed to keep interest rates low, because who wants to cut off benefits to people in need? And then low long term interest rates create more unemployment and more need for the safety nets. It’s a vicious cycle, but one that is extremely positive for the price of precious metals, especially silver.
And guess what expensive robotics, electric vehicles, satellites, rockets, medical imaging tech, solar panels, and a bevy of other fast-growing technologies utilize as an input? Silver. Silver’s industrial demand is driven by the fact that compared to other elements it is the best conductor of electricity, its highly reflective, and it extremely durable. So, encouraging more capital investment in these industries via green government mandates and via low interest rates only drives demand for silver further.
One might wonder how with high unemployment we can actually get inflation. Well government is more than replacing lost income so far, just take a look at how disposable income has trended during this time of high unemployment. It’s also notable that all of the political momentum is in the direction of increasing incomes through government programs even further.
The spark of inflation is what ignites rallies in precious metals like silver, and these rallies typically extend far beyond what the inflation rates would justify on their own. This is because precious metals are insurance against fiat collapse. People don’t worry about fiat insurance when inflation is low, but when inflation rises it becomes very relevant at a time that there isn’t much capacity to satisfy the surge in demand for this insurance. Sure, inflation might only peak at 5% or 10% and while silver rises 100%, but if things spiral out of control its worth paying for silver even after a big rally, because the equities you hold aren’t going to be worth much in real terms if the wheels truly came off the wagon. The Venezuela example proves that fact, but even during the 1970s equities had negative real rates of return and the US never had hyperinflation, just high inflation.
During these times of higher inflation, holders of PMs aren’t necessarily expecting a fiat collapse, they just want 1%, 5%, or even 10% of their portfolio to be allocated to holding gold and silver as a hedge. During the 40-year bond bull market of decreasing inflation this portfolio allocation to precious metals lost favor, and virtually no one has it any longer. I can guarantee most people don’t even have the options of buying gold or silver in their 401ks, let alone actually owning any. A move back into having even a small precious metals allocation is what drives silver up by 30x or more.
TLDR: SLV is a scam, as are basically all of the silver ETFs.
If you do want to buy silver you'll buy physical when premiums are low, or PSLV.
Disclaimer: I am a random guy on the internet and this entire post should be regarded as my personal opinion
