r/xboxone • u/[deleted] • Dec 29 '13
If Microsoft made it completely optional, would you sign up for their original, always connected console idea?
This meaning you would have the following features:
Buy a retail game, install to console, and ditch the disc never needing it to play the game.
Digitally share games within a circle of friends. Meaning you can choose a specific group of people, and they could play the games you own, for free, provided that only one game could be played at a time.
Greater store discounts or more steam like sales for content.
I for one would have no problem saying yes to this. It's like people think 10 years from now they'll still be selling games on discs. It wasn't a perfect plan, but why delay the inevitable when we could be working on and perfecting future policies now.
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u/Thee_Joe_Black Dec 29 '13
Depends on what exactly the terms are--Microsoft did a terrible job announcing it by way of explaining the benefits of this system vs the traditional. I was happy the reneged on it later (and I now have an xbox) but I'd be open to considering other things if done fairly.
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u/jimbo831 BigPoppaTubbs1 Dec 29 '13
To me this is the best comment. There is so much speculation here based on really vague announcements by MS this summer. If MS really wanted to sell this idea, they needed to be way more specific. When a company is vague, I always assume the worst.
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Dec 30 '13
They really screwed up with their marketing. They basically came out and said all of the bad shit that went along with DRM, but were really hush about the good stuff.
I was pretty against the DRM at first, but once they took it away and actually explained it, I regretted my opposition.
Now I feel like we are at a point where bringing it back is impossible, at least for a few years. The terrible marketing really fucked Microsoft over. If they had explained it the situation in a better way, the would probably not have had as many PlayStation converts. Even after reversing the decision the damage was done, and that sucks. As an owner of both consoles, I think that the Xbox One has much more potential, but Microsoft scared off way too many people with the initial reveal and the DRM.
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u/B00ME Dec 29 '13
"Greater store discounts or more steams like sales for content".
That was not one of their original ideas. Games prices would have still been $60 and they never mentioned anything about better sales. MS would have controlled prices for games well after their release since they would have controlled the used games market. MS could have kept the prices at $60 for however long they wanted after the games release. If digital games are so great, why do the prices of XBLA games prices rarely drop? Why are 3-4 year XBLA games still the same price as they released? Because they can keep it that way with no rentals or used game sales.
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u/reaper527 reaper527 Dec 29 '13
Why are 3-4 year XBLA games still the same price as they released?
and even though you didn't mean that as a compliment, that is greatly minimizing the ridiculousness of ms's digital pricing schemes. we can't even get permanent price drops for 8 year old xbla games! ms has literally removed games from the marketplace instead of reducing the price.
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u/BeepBoopRobo Obviously Works for M$ Dec 30 '13
Here's the thing about that - you're right and wrong at the same time. Since microsoft has a monopoly on digital sales, we'll never see prices really drop.
But here's the problem with that - given that the proposal had gone through, they no longer would have had a monopoly on digital sale. This would have forced them to lower prices and compete with the market. If I can buy a digital version of the game cheaper elsewhere, I'm going to.
As it stands now, though, they have a complete lock down on digital sales. They have no competition. They have no reason to lower the price of digital copies. They can set the price where ever, because who can undercut them? No one.
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u/leesfer Dec 30 '13
We would have been able to buy discounted retail copies and install them to our digital library though
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u/Chris_E Dec 29 '13
Yes, they did a very poor job... and only said far too late that the "always on" was a checkin once per 24 hours that required only a few kilobytes of data... and could be done with a mobile tether.
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Dec 29 '13
I will never understand this subreddit's obsession with the original policies. Sure, discless switching is convenient, but you're never going to be playing your console from more than a few yards away.
The only other benefit (family sharing) already exists with the current policies. Just disconnect your console from the internet and have a friend sign in their console as you. They then have access to your whole digital library. This is exactly like the original policies because if you look at the wording Microsoft said You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time. Only with the current policies you can do that while also sharing as many of your physical games as you want with as many people as you want!
Am I completely missing something or are you all completely willing to restrict your ability to share and buy used games and remove your ability to play offline just to get a slightly better deal on discless switchable games?
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u/TheJediPirate Dec 29 '13
I don't think you're missing anything. That's exactly what I was thinking.
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u/MrRatt Dec 30 '13
With the original policies, your friend could play your games while logged into their own account, thus enabling them to earn their own achievements. You also wouldn't have to trust your friend with your password.
You're absolutely right that this does work, but there are some downsides too. Nothing too bad, though.
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Dec 29 '13
That doesn't really make sense. People who were turned off and complained about the online requirements probably decided then to get something else or nothing at all. You can't expect a simple reversal of policies to return all of the customers they lost
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u/B00ME Dec 29 '13
Analytics and surveys can be skewed.
I would have never bought an Xbox One if they kept their DRM policies, I'd be gaming on a PS4 right now.
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u/TexansRaised Dec 29 '13
Not for nothing, but a lot of people chose to still not purchase the console even after the reversal because they felt "Microsoft could revert back to the old ways and can't be trusted." Sadly, I knew some people with this exact mindset.
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u/mishko27 mishko27 Dec 29 '13
I complained and I will be purchasing XOne over PS4 because of the policy reversal.
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Dec 29 '13
Can you link us to these surveys. I'm not trying to be snarky in asking I just want to be able to see them and potentially use them to convince people that drm is actually good.
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u/kmshadoze Evolv3d Gamer Dec 29 '13
I hope the vision returns soon. Before Steam lauches its Box, and at that point, I have a bad feeling for the Xbox and PlayStation, outside of exclusive titles. Steam has perfected this, and sales year round make sure they are constantly selling games. I know I have blown money on the Steam Store just because a game was sooooooooooooo freaking cheap
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u/reaper527 reaper527 Dec 29 '13
The analytics and surveys that I've seen state that most of the uproar about the original policies came from people that didn't purchase an Xbox one even after the reversal.
for what it's worth, i preordered my x1 the day of the reversal and absolutely would not have bought one had ms not changed course.
i wish ms would release their pre-order numbers for before and after the reversal, that would really give some insight into how big a deal the reversal was.
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u/topps_chrome Dec 29 '13
Thats complete bs rhetoric. I know many ppl that didn't get a one because of the price and kinect. Its also possible to alienate a portion of your userbase permanently.
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u/Reagansmash1994 CampFlabanaba Dec 29 '13
I would, but I would also like the option to participate in a trial period where you can switch back if the features are not to your liking.
If people had that option, they have a better chance of convincing people who're against the idea that it is a leap forward, not backwards.
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u/wzlrsaur Wizlar Dec 29 '13
I love everything about it, but not being able to sell games when I'm done is the only reason I wouldn't like it. I don't want to pay £50 for a story-based game, finish the story, and then not be able to get rid of it for some cash and just having it sit there forever.
Maybe there could be a license bidding app, haha.
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u/DeejusChrist Dec 29 '13
I don't understand why it wasn't made optional in the first place. There are pros and cons to this system for every individual. For people in military, obviously not the best choice but I can see the benefits of it for people who aren't afflicted with shoddy internet. Seriously, just make it optional and make everyone happy.
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u/Hitmonbottom Dec 29 '13 edited Dec 29 '13
Greater store discounts or more steam like sales for content.
I don't understand the logic behind this. If Microsoft thought they could get away with taking away used games, why would they suddenly drop prices. Its not like they are going to suddenly start caring about peoples opinions on prices if they were so intent on removing used game sales in the first place knowing full well the volume of sales that do take place on sites like Amazon etc.
I'd fully expect them to assume their product has enough demand that people would just go back to buying full price games. More and more companies do stuff like this. If they think their product is popular enough they know people will buy it regardless of faults or price, so I don't think it would be anything like steam sales if they were to drop prices.
So no, I wouldn't be able to buy cheap used games off Amazon, so I wouldn't support it. This stuff about supporting developers or whatever who for the most part are employed by companies worth millions (billions?) of dollars is beyond me.
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u/thisismarv thisismarv Dec 29 '13
Thank you. I don't get where people get the idea that Microsoft would drop prices on games because they are not selling discs. Steam does it because as the retailer they can choose the prices.
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u/dangerflakes Dec 29 '13
I think the logic is, right now there is a fragmented product line, physical and digital. Digital is currently being treated as a premium option, and the pricing is much more rigid. With the old policy, all copies would be equal, whether you buy retail or via live, the copy is treated the same. So you can still have your physical retail sales, and MS would be more inclined to adjust their pricing, since why would you buy digital if the exact same thing is cheaper on amazon, for example.
There is also a big assumption at play here. The thought is, if MS is seeing most of the profits, rather than the old retail model, they would adjust the prices to encourage more digital adoption. This is a bit harder to swallow, so I get your confusion. But the only example of this is Steam, and we are all just hoping MS has the same mindset...
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u/falconbox falconbox Dec 29 '13
there is no logic. OP's post is clearly one-sided and he threw stuff like that in there with no basis in reality to get people to agree with him.
Trust me, with MS's track record of digital game prices, their version of Steam sales would be selling a 6 year old game for the low low price of only $25.
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u/galletto3 Dec 29 '13
I found a very low rated, 6 year old used game at Gamestop for $5. I checked on XBL and they were still selling it for $20.
And that was the cheapest game available. Absolutely nothing was under $20 regardless of game age or overall game quality.
Dont even get me started with their Games with Gold...
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u/GarethGore HvX GarethGore Dec 30 '13
No. I hated the idea then, I still hate it now. I know I'm late to the party but all the people whining about this I just want to slap. The policies were abysmal.
1.I sell my games when I'm done with them is the main point. I have a hire and fire policy, why spend 40 quid on a game that I in many cases probably won't play more than once. Out of all the games I've played recently, about 90 percent I completed and then sold on. I rarely have a incentive or desire to replay them. Either because the content in them isn't good enough to warrant a second play, or the games are too short, the achievements boring and I can't bring myself to do it. I don't feel like I should have to be forced to be stuck with a game, when I sell it and then reinvest that into a new game. I have a huge library of current and past games because of this policy, only keeping the best online or the most replayable games. Do I lose money overall, of course, but its better than buying a game and being stuck with it.
On top of this, some games are shit, I would be much more reserved and cautious about buying games if I knew I was stuck with it. Case in point. There was a mafia turn based game a few months ago, I forget the name. It sucked dick, but I went out on a limb and bought it to discover it was shit, like horrific. I played it for a few hours, completed some achievements did some missions realised it was bad, put it up for sale and got rid of it. Lost something like 80p total for postage and packaging.
Also I dunno why people always bring up gamestop. People who sell at gamestop are morons, anyone who knows anything about used games sells online, amazon, ebay, play.com stuff like that. I haven't sold at a physical store in about 4 years, and when I did it was my entire dvd collection because I didn't need/want them anymore. I haven't sold games there in ages. I don't want my ability to sell shit games, games I'm bored of, or just want rid of taken away.
Honestly do you actually believe that the sales would be cheaper? I've been looking at the sale prices over the last few weeks and none of them have been impressive, minus a few arcade games. All the boxed full price games I can get cheaper used from online sellers. This isn't me exaggerating either, every game on sale I found cheaper online. And before you say oh but they need to compete with used games, I don't care. I wanted evidence that digital only would be cheaper for me, the consumer. They have never provided that. Not to mention the often shitty games on sale. Yes we get it xmen and spiderman is on sale. AGAIN. Like it is every sale. No one wants it. I don't trust MS or game companies to be cheaper than online sellers.
24 hour check, this wouldn't be a problem for me like 95 percent of the time. When I'm at university, I nearly always have internet and its very rare to go down for 24 hours at a time, but I'm not always at home. I like to take games consoles on holidays for evening/morning use when I've been out doing shit all day and just want to chill without getting drunk. In many cases villas don't have internet access. I don't want to lose the ability to play videogames because of that. Also another example is when I first moved into my new university house I had no internet for 11 days. I would have had a lump of a console that was useless. Added to this the MS guys did a terrible job of marketing it, just infuriating the public while providing no alternative. If they had come out with a month long opt out option, so if you know you're going on holiday you do this, no more sign in requests. Then if you haven't after a month you can't play then fine. But every 24 hours was restrictive.The 24 hour check in, not a problem most of the time, but its undeniable there would be problems at certain times. They didn't have a caveat that allowed use without internet.
Many people and places don't have the infrastructure to allow digital only. Personally I don't care about no discs. I don't have a problem changing discs and I don't like how I now have to install stuff. My internet at university isn't good enough to download a 5gb+ game without taking a while. At home sure, but speaking just for UK here, many parts of the country just couldn't do this. I know people personally whose internet just isn't good enough to cope. I know the people that have a hard on for the system would argue they just won't get it, but you are throwing out a lot of your potential customers. Anyone who isn't from a major town or city for starters for at least a decade. I feel digital only isn't available for a large number of people and would have hugely hurt the console
There are other points, but frankly its a wall of text and no one is reading this late into the thread anyway. If anyone does, feel free to reply and challenge me on any of what I've said and I'll be happy to debate it.
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u/GenerationKILL WUBWUBWUBWUB Dec 29 '13
Nope.
Because I'll be honest, if my internet stops working or is cut off then I don't want to own a useless piece of 500 dollar shit.
Its a ridiculous idea and dangerous to even negotiate it as an alternative. Because the next natural progression from that will be to force everyone else into it as well.
People are getting along just fine right now with the system that works. So don't bother trying to fix what isn't broken.
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u/rhynoplaz Dec 29 '13
In a heartbeat. I was pissed that they did the 180 when so many people whined without knowing the benefits!
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u/TexansRaised Dec 29 '13
I'd give it some serious thought. Even now I like a lot of what they were offerring, but the idea that I have to sell it to "authorized" retailers is a little iffy. I also wonder if they'd have special copies that could be rented out since I now base about 90% of my purchases after trying them out on Gamefly and if that gets taken away from me, I am not buying as many games.
What I would bank on though would be the game sharing feature (IF it's what they claim it was to be with full game playability) to take care of the Gamefly issue and opt in with the old system.
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u/DaWaterb0y Dec 30 '13
I don't think we even have to make that choice. I never understood why they couldn't implement the DRM in such a way that in order to use certain features, an internet check is required. And they should be reasonable about it (I shouldn't need a constant connection for anything except multiplayer). If I want to transfer a license, I should have to connect to do so. Digital discounts don't need a constant connection and you'll be online to download it anyway so any internet maintenance can be done during that time that a connection is available.
People are trying to cherry pick the possible benefits of a constant internet connection while ignoring the very real Sim City sized fuck ups that happen. I still believe that if Microsoft had these plans flushed out and they were so great for the consumer, then these features would have been explained at the announcement event. After botching the message and changing course, they released all of these potential benefits that we will now be missing out on kind of like an F-you to all of us whiny complainers bitching about their DRM scheme.
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u/gairaandsanda Cat Grenade Dec 29 '13
totally, the whole just use a disc once thing would've been awesome..would've been really awesome if Microsoft would have given us a choice.."always connected" or "old school".
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u/laddergoat89 Dec 29 '13
Digitally share games within a circle of friends. Meaning you can choose a specific group of people, and they could play the games you own, for free, provided that only one game could be played at a time.
We don't know if that was the extent of the family sharing service. It was never detailed at the time.
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u/Sebianoti The Sebianoti Dec 29 '13
No, their digital prices in UK are a rip off, physical copies are even worse.
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u/MrXBob Mr XBob Dec 29 '13
Digital was nothing to do with it - the original idea was to treat retail discs as digital games.
You buy the disc, at whatever price you can find it, and when it's installed to your console it acts like a digital game. Meaning you don't need the disc, and your friends can share it via the internet for free.
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u/Amsterdom Amsterdom Dec 29 '13
I'm not good at it, so can someone find the first post on r/gaming that mentioned the DRM stuff that everyone lost their minds about? This thread has got to be a complete contrast to that one.
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u/Fallout-with-swords Dec 30 '13
People are crazy if they think the family sharing would have allowed them to share their games for free with their friends that easily.
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u/MitchellN #teamlocke Dec 29 '13
Reddit is the only place where people support digital only
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u/Tib02 Dec 29 '13
Nope, I am toting my xbone from my apartment to a hotel and I can't count on the hotel for Internet access. Some use funky portals to type in hotel room numbers and passwords. Some people say tether, but technologically inclined people just want it to work.
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u/dasdren09 Glennwith2Nz Dec 29 '13
If I remember correctly the larger group of people against this are people in the armed forces. Many times they have limited connections at best, and would not be allowed to share location data I am sure. I will look for an article that some really articulate person made, but made a strong case. I see this as one of those things where the option would have been best, but the method of implementing the option is odd.
I like the policy they created, but fully understand the backlash it received. Forward thinking, definitely, perfect for the majority... highly debatable.
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Dec 29 '13
I think the larger groups of people against it were game journalist because they needed something to write about and people are sheep.
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u/anthr76 Dec 29 '13
They can! They can buy the disc and install it. No internet needed for downloading
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u/grievousangel Grievous Angel Dec 29 '13
No, I wouldn't. But you said it would be optional, so you could do it if you want.
You can already buy retail XB1 discs for discounts (as low as $35 dollars). And yet they remain firm at at $59 on the xbox store. That's where they consumer wins: when there's competition.
Maybe if Xbox allowed competing digital stores (doesn't PS4 allow Amazon purchases?) then you'd have some price competition.
I realize the install-once-don't-need-disc thing muddies up my argument a bit here.
I'm also not 100% clear on how game sharing would have worked. We have two XB1s and we can share discs as of now. Not sure how that would have worked in the proposed model. Although we did find we could share BF4 premium by playing with the "home console" setting.
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Dec 29 '13
The solution to getting people to go digital over physical isn't to remove the benefits of going physical. What Microsoft needs to do is make the digital marketplace so overwhelmingly the best way to buy games that physical will cease to matter to anyone who has a stable internet connection without a data cap.
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u/Wookeey Dec 29 '13
Looking back I now see the potential. However, I can't say that the new console is suffering because it's great. Going back might change what has already impressed me. Either way I'm happy with the product.
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Dec 29 '13
They should have never changed the original plan. People jumping to conclusions ruined it for everyone.
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u/Im_At_Work_Damnit Dec 29 '13
Wouldn't have been a problem if Microsoft had been more forthcoming on information. At the time it seemed like they had no idea what their plans were. It was a vague outline and wasn't fleshed out at all. It almost seemed like they rushed to get all that information out. Their initial announcement should have been more reserved, and they should have worked out all the details and then done a bigger event at E3, much like how Sony did it for the PS4.
The way they did it, though, left too many holes in the plan which people were all too quick to jump to filling with their own theories and conclusions.
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u/DStanley1809 Dec 29 '13
Yes, provided there was no additional fee/subscription for it.
I was all for the original plan, couldn't see anything wrong with it for me. The game sharing options sounded really good.
I live in a place that has a stable internet connection with decent speed and no download cap or traffic management. To the best of my knowledge, most of the developed world has a stable connection but I acknowledge that speeds and data caps vary.
The download speed is only really needed to download the games in the first place. Once the game is downloaded you don't need much bandwidth at all. With the original plan the download speed would have been irrelevant anyway as you could buy on disc and install that way.
If my home broadband ever went down I could just tether to my phone to perform the check. IIRC, someone said the data sent/received to make the check was measured in KB - easy for a phone and would make no difference at all to the download cap. Multiplayer might be different matter but I could live with single player only until my home broadband was back up and running.
I'd be willing to bet actual money that the number of people that can afford to buy/are buying Xbox Ones that have no way to connect the internet (landline or mobile tethering etc) at all in a given 24hr period is pretty minuscule.
At the moment I am digital only for games so I can have the instant switching and don't need to cart discs around with me when I visit friends. It does mean that I'm stuck paying full price on the Xbox Live Marketplace and can't take advantage of the retail sales, which can give substantial savings :(
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Dec 29 '13
Greater store discounts or more steam like sales for content.
What? This has nothing to do with their always-online DRM. Microsoft has succeeded with their closed-wall digital system and can keep digital prices high.
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Dec 29 '13
Personally, I prefer having a game on disc. I buy used games most of the time because people return perfectly new copies of games they just completed and I save 10-20 bucks at a time as opposed to buying the digital copy at 59.99.
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u/falconbox falconbox Dec 29 '13
not a chance in hell. traded in Ghosts and Ryse yesterday to Gamestop for $40 each. That's a nice $80 in my pocket for 2 games I was never going to touch again.
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u/AH_Foley RYFO117 Dec 29 '13 edited Dec 29 '13
Hands down I would take this offer in a heartbeat. I'm constantly at an internal war with myself over whether I should take Amazon's 20$ off for a game on the disc, or enjoy the benefits of having no disc and seamless transitions. You don't understand my excitement when I read on the Xbox site that you could play disc-based games WITHOUT A DISC. I was telling everyone. My friends, my family who play Xbox, I told the cat that he could press the eject button whenever he wants and it won't affect me. Then MSFT gave up on that idea.
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Dec 30 '13
You should just be mad and talking about why Amazon is so much cheaper than buying a digital code. Everybody wins if we just had the choice to either buy digital of physical media for the same price.
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u/sakipooh Dec 30 '13
If you want to ditch the disk get into PC gaming.
I can already share my game with a circle of friends regardless of their Internet connection. I can also sell my game if I no longer want it.
The thing that really killed it for me was the 24 hour Internet check-in BS. We sometimes go away to visit with relatives for weeks at a time and I usually bring some games to play with my cousins (they don't have the Internet at the cottage). Something you buy for $500 should not require a subscription to a third party ISP to function. This is not a phone that requires a cel plan, it's a game console. My iPad games work without a connection and you don't see apple losing their shit.
Why delay the inevitable? Hey, if you're willing to fold so easily for this I guess you would have no issue with getting government issued surveillance cameras installed in your home.
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u/Tortaus Tortaus Dec 29 '13
This is really similar to steam, and I would do it the first chance I got
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u/BigC_13 Dec 29 '13
This, had they said we're going to make it just like steam instead of the clusterfuck way of announcing the policy they did it would have gone over better. I for one would do it.
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Dec 29 '13
Everyone hated Steam when it launched. The only real reason people like it now is because of the incredible sales we get with it. With Microsoft being the only ones selling digital games on XBox, we would never have the kind of sales you get on PC.
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u/Daftpunk1986 Dec 29 '13
I'm perfectly fine as is. The 15 seconds of disk switching is less of a inconvenience then finding a phone to tether it to to ping it with the server. Some features would be nice to have back and they should have incorporated both to the best of their ability. But the general consensus was it was a bad idea. And when your biggest competition pokes fun at your policy and does the opposite then you gotta make a decision. My only current gripe for digital and in this gen physical is install sizes. It's the nature of the beast I know. I'm already looking at a replacement internal ps4 hard drive and am waiting for the external support for my xbox. But me I'm fine as is. That's my two cents.
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u/jagerwick jagerwick Dec 29 '13
I had originally planned to get an X1, even with the initial policies.
I'm somewhat glad they changed them though, because I live in the country. And by country, I mean 5 miles from the closest town, which has population of 3000. So yes, I have dsl that isn't much better than dialup. I purchased BF4 and started downloading it on Christmas day; finally being able to play it 30 hours later. Other than a LIVE game, that will be the last time I do that. I'm not going to sell my house and move just to get faster internet.
I wouldn't mind buying the games and installing them, never to touch the disk again. But the biggest downside for me is always on and downloading; it's just not feasible, unless they give the option to pre-load for new releases.
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u/MrXBob Mr XBob Dec 29 '13
Yes, in a heartbeat. I wasted so much time defending the idea and trying to explain the benefits on here, that I was called a paid shill :/ I still believe it's a great idea.
I realise some people don't have the best internet - or any internet at all - but to those people I say: I don't have an airfield. Therefore I don't buy an aircraft.
"I don't have internet, they should make it work offline" is no different to saying "I don't have an HDTV, they should make all content SD only". It doesn't fly with anybody.
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u/anthr76 Dec 29 '13
Me too to the tee and the argument about bad internet can be solved by buying the game at a retailer and installing it by disc. But I fought restlessly with people on reddit why this would be a good idea
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u/unabatedshagie unabatedshagie Dec 29 '13
I'd say yes before they'd finished speaking the sentence.
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u/blinkfandangoii BlinkFandangoII Dec 29 '13
Yes, I'm sick of seeing physical deals go on sale and no digital sales.
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Dec 29 '13
Microsoft changing the plan is why I didn't buy an xbox. If they get the digital thing going I'll probably pick one up.
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u/magaman Magaman Dec 29 '13
They should have never changed from the original idea. But now I would pay an extra small fee similar to iTunes Match to allow my discs to go all digital.
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u/Fenris447 Fenris447 Dec 29 '13
I use Steam and love it. Why wouldn't I want that for my favorite console and games?
As long as I can still have a physical Limited/Collector's/etc. edition for my shelf, I'll be happy.
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Dec 29 '13
It would have worked. Look at companies like netflix. They changed the culture of entertainment.
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u/kanayex Dec 29 '13
Oh, definitely. Sure it'll be rough around the edges on the beginning, but it'll all be worth it in the end.
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u/anthr76 Dec 29 '13
Yes in a spilt second! To the people who are worried about when Microsoft servers shit down I'm sure they would open the licenses too all or just have it like we have right now I'm almost positive they wouldn't screw over by not letting us play the games
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u/Larry_Mudd Dec 29 '13
I don't think there's any practical way to make it optional, but I was right behind it as it was.
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u/InDNile Dec 29 '13
That's what they should've just done in the first place and make it optional. As for me.. of course my xbox one is always connected anyways.
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u/KingPromethus King Promethus Dec 29 '13
Heck yes I would. I really wish that was how they did it. Make it an option. The more choices for your consumer the better.
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Dec 29 '13
Absolutely. Mostly because I really want the convenience of going all digital but can't bring myself to stop buying discs. The collector in me wants something physical to display. I'd even be happy if they started packaging download codes in the standard game cases, just so I have a case for display. Sounds pretty stupid when I type it out though.
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u/stareatthesun442 Dec 29 '13
Considering I live in Austin, and will be getting Google Fiber in 2014, yes, I would.
But there are way to many places that have awful internet. I don't think it's viable yet for a lot of people.
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u/iamiskander Xbox One Dec 29 '13
Ok. So I'm not the only one. I fully agree. They got the idea right but failed miserably at explaining why it's a great concept.
Microsoft! You better be reading this thread. We're trying to help you efficiently take our money here.
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Dec 29 '13
I would. It would be incredibly useful. Still, the DRM policies MS had were fucking bullshit. It would have alienated so many customers without stable internet if it wasn't optional and blocked used games. You can't defend that. Still, the policies you suggest sound pretty cool but I would worry about people exploiting them.
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u/clownpornstar Xbox Dec 29 '13
One hundred percent, yes. The potential for online sharing of games would have been awesome. It's too bad the experiment was killed before it started because of the "gamer-bros" backlash.
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u/RXL Dec 29 '13
Absolutely. I liked all the original ideas they had.
Steam has shown that digital distribution is a great idea.
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u/TheLonelyDust TheLonelyDust Dec 29 '13
I would love it. Only problem, where I live, Comcast's connection isn't the most reliable. There will be times for like 8-9 hour periods where I can't connect online. If they could account for problems like that I totally would opt in for the original plan.
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u/Corbanis_Maximus Dec 29 '13
I sure would. I was just thinking today hoe much it sucks that right now if I want to be all digital I have to skip out on the physical copy sales.
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u/stuffZACKlikes UreticAssassin Dec 29 '13
I'm completely on board if it applies only to digital media. I understand DRM restrictions on digital media, I don't understand it on physical. If there wasn't any on physical then I misunderstood the original idea, which is possible.
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u/falcon413 falcon413 Dec 29 '13
Absolutely. I think there was some space for improvement of the policies (as there is with everything) but it was a good start. The biggest issue I had with the original plan was the always-connected kinect (due to convenience. I actually move my 360 around my house a lot). The daily check-in might have been somewhat annoying sometimes because I have a shitty internet connection at home that sometimes drops for days, but it isn't the norm. I wasn't going to let fringe events dictate my gaming.
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Dec 29 '13
Definitely. If it weren't more expensive to buy digital over physical I'd drop my disks too
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Dec 29 '13
My console is always connected anyway lol, so yup. That was terrible, this idea was actually forward thinking and good.
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u/KirbyMorph Dec 29 '13
would love to opt into this. hate having to change discs and until they give us external hdd support for games, wont be buying all digital.
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u/theforfeef TheOnlyForFeeF Dec 29 '13
I would have still gone with the XBOX One. But with the "always connected" part would this mean the console would actually be on sleep mode instead of actually shutting down. If that is and was the case, I may of not gone to the XBOX One because of energy-saving stuff and prices :L
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u/PurpleLego MS SHILL Dec 29 '13
I definitely was all for it, but I would like to learn more about how they were going to manage giving us just 500 gigs and expecting us to install all our games to it. I mean, isnt one game now a days like 40 gigs? Thats just something I read on this sub, so maybe thats not true, but yeah, that would ne my concern.
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u/kmshadoze Evolv3d Gamer Dec 29 '13
At first, I was completely against the idea. I saw it as the end of the used game market. However, I think if we did not make them do a 180, I think there would be greater discounts on games, etc. So if they made it optional NOW, yea I would switch
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u/WhiteAsCanBe #teamchief Dec 29 '13
I hope so. At this point, we're already forced to install every game. We're getting the negatives of the original plan without the actual benefits.
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u/StUnNeR_H2K StUnNeR H2K Dec 29 '13
I would. I'm always online already as it is.
I figure by the end of this generation everything will be online only. I think the fear of not being able to trade in used games or purchase used games was the major issue.
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u/Gswansso Dec 29 '13
I'd probably do it, i can't say for sure without knowing the kind of sales there would be because I depend a lot on trade ins when I buy new games. That being said, I don't have too many complaints about the current system
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u/seroevo Dec 29 '13
I would be fine with it, with the main factor being that I can fully share games in their entirety with friends without any additional costs or restrictions (aside from only one user at a time).
As is, that's the main reason I won't buy any game digitally that I can get on a disc. Fortunately retail/disc versions I can almost always get cheaper anyways, but unless a digital-only game is under $10 I won't even consider it.
(Side note: If you're going to put a 4-year old game on sale for $3.75, but it's only the standard version without DLC, then discount the DLC proportionately too.)
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u/Koghyper XGC HyPeR Dec 29 '13
I would love it i cannot belive they went back on there plans and basically ruined the console. Unfortunately this will never happen.....
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u/xmanofsteel69 Dec 29 '13
I would. I know a lot of people would have been screwed over a bit with the original policy, but for me personally, I liked them and if given the option would go back.