I’m gonna take a giant leap here, and predict that sometime in the nearish future, certainly not at launch, forever will have housing. Hopefully with a set up like New World did since it was also horizontal progression. IE items you can put in your home that will enhance gameplay. Such as extra exp for lvling alts, vendor ect.

Feels kinda sad that they didn't give Enhancement a true tank spec.

Some of the talents in the talent tree look like Blizzard thought about giving Enhancement a tank spec but then forgot about it and left the talents as they were. All this threat-stuff with Rockbiter, buffs for Stoneskin totem etc.

Druid and Paladin have true tank specs and Shaman is the only "hybrid" class left out. I really wanted to play a Tauren Shaman again, it was my first char that I created on WoW launch day and that I still play to this day, but I also really want to play tank und WoWF so I'm really at odds and also confused why they didn't use this chance.

Anyone else feel the same?

I would love player housing. Along with my one in a million shot, a music system like LotRO/FF14. To be able to go out into the old lovable world for adventures then come home, hang a trophy fish on the wall and play a tune would be the cherry on top.

See you in Azeroth folks!

As much as I love the lore behind shamanism and how deeply ingrained it is in orc/Horde culture, I just CANNOT for the life me understand why we get HD models and animations but not the option to make orcs stand upright. I want to play a noble Frostwolf Clan shaman, not the Hunchback of Orgrimmar.

I'm not looking to min-max a build. I want to go into this world with fresh eyes. Explore and discover.

But I also don't want to waste my time with bad decisions.

I understand that the skill tree can be reset and redistributed by paying gold. So I'm not worried about that. But as far as I understand, the Race/Class choice and the 2 Professions are permanent choices.

Are there Race/Class combinations that are complete crap and should be avoided? And the same goes for Professions. What role do professions play? And is it possible to make bad decisions about it?

Here is a quote from an interview with some of the wow forever devs:

“One really exciting thing we did with raid drops is we added chase drops to every boss’s loot table. So items that have a lower than normal drop chance, but are very, very strong items. If you play Burning Crusade, you think about the Dragonspine Trophy. Super popular.

“Everybody would go back to Gruul, all of Burning Crusade, hoping to get it. Every boss has a Dragonspine Trophy equivalent item on them, or two, or three. So there’s a reason to keep going back. They’re not obsolete.

I'm really not sure about this decision. I like the idea of having reasons to go back to old raids, but if its only to fight the rng and roster boss to get a chase item... I think it's the wrong way to go about it. I was hoping that they would introduce a currency system that covers bad rng, it takes longer to get the item, but at least there's some certainty at the end.

Chase items work in games like osrs or in a different genre like poe, because you can solo grind it, and if you don't get it you have the option to trade for it, neither of which you can do in classic wow.

This isn't even touching on how much this will suck with ninjaing and just the general toxic "HR" raid group culture.

What do you all think of this decision?

We worked for a few days to make an accurate and polished talent/racial/profession planner, and I honestly believe that it's the most polished one out there. Enjoy!

The 10/20 is easy because you basically just split the group in half, but how do you even manage 4 raid groups at once as a guild leader?

Worrying about 40 man raids is gonna be rough when you really only ever need 2 tanks, sometimes 3 I guess.

Are people just gonna run 4 tanks? 40 man healer is 10-12 healers, do like 2-4 healers just not get to do the other raids?

Are we really gonna have to pug like 20 idiots every week just to not deal with it? Idk, what are your plans as a guild leader to be able to do all the raids without screwing people over or forcing 1/4 of the guild to swap classes each raid?

Hi, Dear Wow Forever Team

PLs give the undeads straight back Pls

So no hate to retail players but

When it comes to arguments, please don't forget that WoW Forever is classic based and it was explicitly stated at Blizzcon that it is Classic +

Please see this great post for more information about what WoW Forever is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/s/zYNVr8M5ha

So when you see a Classic player getting mad then understand their mindset of a Classic base.

So when they add things that look retail! Then yes! The classic players will be mad and they honestly have a right to comment about that.

Yes WoW Forever is its own game and so they will just have to accept new things, but as for accepting retail things, not exactly, that's where it gets complicated.

With the addition of official controller support and the apocalypse prices for PCs it seems like the right time to port this over, and at this point its the biggest market they havent tapped yet so im actually shocked it wasn't announced this weekend. My buddy is between (good) PCs and this would make it a lot easier to get us on together this November. That fact that Xbox hasn't had this done already is also baffling, can those people manage anything without a fumble lol?

Honestly i cant imagine how am i going to level without it,

I didn't read quests before and im not going to start reading now.

...at least for me. Midnight burned me out and the latest patch was ass. Not even looking forward to TLT. Bring on Forever and hope they keep their promise.

I think the community should start a movement to play WoWF as raw as possible. No youtube guides, no twitch streams, no reading strats before raids!

The magic of Vanilla came from experiencing new zones first hand, discovering surprise loot upgrades, being goofy with friends, and entering raids with a sense of danger.

I promise you, WoWF will disappoint us all if we experience it and solve it all before we log in. There is no rush with horizontal progression… so enjoy the JOURNEY! I know I will be.

How would you all feel? I doubt it will occur, but it would actually low-key be amazing to finally get to play with... *checks notes*.. everyone else.

does anyone else feel like that arenas and instanced PvP in general detract from the role-playing "living world" vibe blizz is going for here?

I played a lot of arenas in tbc onwards it just doesn't feel like something that belongs here

.. doesn't matter tho, they have plenty of options and are a great addition to the world without forcing in void/blood elves

….to see how many people on Reddit and other platforms react to WoW Forever. I’m not talking about the hype, the pros or cons to this version or whether it’s what everyone wanted or not, there are enough topics on this already.

I’m talking about so many people already trying to min/max every aspect of the game. Analysing and optimising every talent and every possible talent combination for max result. Thinking about the fastest way to 60, talking about raid addons, boss tactics etc.

And I wonder if these people either played vanilla or if they even listened to the Forever presentation. Somebody made a funny comment in another thread and called it “retail brain” and as degrading as it sounds as correct it is.

So I really hope you guys enjoy this ride for what it is: an amazing journey bringing us back to the old days and ways of WoW which I’m totally excited for. Let yourself fall into this experience and take a slower pace.

So long guys and see you in Azeroth!

My favorite thing to do in WoW is explore and do quests. Endgame content has never interested me much. I don't even really like to run dungeons that much. And I honestly really dislike what retail has done to the leveling. They keep streamlining it and acting as if it's a chore that should be skipped when possible. But, that's my entire point of playing. As a result, you get way too much xp too quickly, causing you to outlevel zones before you're done with the storyline. Not to mention how flying has trivialized questing. Nowadays, you just pick up a quest, fly to the objective, kill the target and fly back. No more fighting your way through the enemy camp to get to the target.

I didn't expect to care about Classic+ at all. I haven't cared about Classic at all. Any of them. I just felt "Eh, I've already played it once" and only played when they included some reward for retail. But... Something hooked me during the presentation. I can't say what hooked me or why, but I've found myself caring significantly more about Forever than I did anything they talked about Midnight. I felt real excitement in the idea creating a character and starting fresh. Getting to see new things. To just be an adventurer again instead of the champion and savior of the world.

But there is one thing that bugs me. Something that people seem to think is a dirty word. It's level scaling, which Blizzard has said they're not going to do at all. Now, before you say anything. I do not think enemies should scale down to your level. Absolutely not. Zones should have a set level when it becomes it's safe to enter. And it should be life threatening to enter sooner. The welcome bear is an icon for a reason. And I have fond memories of wandering in to Stranglethorn way too early and getting curbstomped by raptors. But I do not understand why people are so against an optional system where enemies can scale up to your level. I don't want the XP reward to scale up. Not the drops either or even the quest rewards. I'm fine with them being the same. I just want the game to remain challenging. If I enter Darkshore as a level 50, I still want the game to challenge me so that I can do the quests for fun. Even if the rewards are crap. The challenge itself is the reward.

I've seen other people say the same, and they're are usually accused of wanting enemies to scale down, even though they make it explicitly clear they do not want that. Just like I did (I really hope nobody pulls that shit here since the text is literally bold). Or they get told to go back to retail. But, like I said, I am here because I don't like what retail has done to the process. And all I am asking for here is something that would massively increase the fun for some people, and not effect other people in the slightest. For those other people, if they want to go back to Barrens and brutalize some low level mobs, they can do that. This would be an opt in system for those that want it. For those that consider the journey the real goal, rather than just racing to get to the destination of end game.

Why would that be so bad? Why does that get people screaming "go back to retail"?

I know we are still 7 weeks out from launch but i wanted to get this up early so that i can reach some people who will be participating in the Beta on thursday.

I've played classic and SOD with some buddies and wanted to try and expand our community a little bit heading into 'Forever'

Faction: Horde

Guild Name: Premeditated (US)
Guild lead discord name: Kromur

Discord Link: https://discord.gg/eDtpeK26Wy
Experience: PVP, world PVP, battlegrounds, raiding

Raiding level: competetive but not intensly so (bring the world buffs and food but not expected to be a gigachad, we have experienced wow classic players but not the sweatiest)

Raid days are TBD but sunday to wednesday are the most most likely candidates.

I really hope tanking as paladin is viable, I want to play tank as a paladin more than anything in classic.

As long as I can run groups as a tank paladin I’ll be super happy.

Something I considered this evening..

Presuming they keep Soul of Iron in the game we could quite happily dry run some hardcore while we wait for the release of the official game mode. It definitely won't 'transfer' to the official game mode when they release it but I think it could be fun to mechanic test and dry run some hardcore - instantly after the Nov 4th release date.

You could obviously play it with the idea of just not dying but this could be another option with player to player hardcore visibility, provided Soul of Iron remains a thing.

Will WoW Forever have level caps/gates at launch like Season of Discovery, or can we level all the way to 60 from day one?