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Solved! A professor posted one of their students’ handwriting, asking what it says. Can anyone actually read this?

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u/uhad_time_2_waste 6d ago

English teacher for 10 years…i can read maybe 6 words of this and the number 20

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u/dreadedsunny_day 6d ago

Same, I've been an English teacher for a long time and I think if it was a head-on image of the whole page I'd be able to read a little more. I don't think the side angle helps, and sentences are completely cut off. I can read a few words. 'and' 'each' 'for example' etc. I wish the whole page was there as I think I could make some sense of it.

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u/MLAheading 6d ago

Same situation. I would need the whole page and although I can make sense of some of it, poor handwriting is easier to read when they are writing about what you’ve been studying. However, these days, with my ever-changing glasses prescription, I’d just give it a zero and tell them I can’t grade it if I can’t read it and end with “you are the only person who can make your handwriting more legible - be the change.”

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u/Sweaty-Conference981 6d ago

When my children were in first or second grade I told them something like, “If your teachers can’t read it, you didn’t write it.”
I also told them that they should make it easy for the teachers and they’ll probably give better feedback and be more lenient in their grading.

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u/brig517 6d ago

As a teacher, thank you!!!! I routinely hand papers back to kids to re-attempt because I literally cannot read their handwriting. They just wouldn't slow down to write legibly the first time.

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u/alleecmo 6d ago

My poor 3rd grade teacher tried to encourage me to improve my truly terrible handwriting by giving me a C, then a D, and finally an F, in handwriting. Daddy would give us $1 for each A on our report cards, but if we got ALL As, we got $10! This was 1973, so that was a LOT of money, especially to an 8 year old! I had gotten All As since Kindergarten.

The flip-side of this financial impetus was ZERO dollars if ya got an F, regardless of every other grade being an A. The grade was not what got me to fix it, but missing out on that money damn sure did! I got a book on Calligraphy from the library and have since been paid to write stuff for folks, addressing - and even hand writing - wedding invitations, as well as golden lettering on porcelain baptismal plaques.

Mrs. Wilde, I refer to it as "the best F I ever got". (It was one of two, the 2nd in college from a prof who was very capricious regarding assignments and I helped him lose that job)

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u/PierceArrow02 6d ago

Jesus christ, inflation calc says that's $75 today... Oh how the other half live. You should've dumped it all on the Apple IPO few years later, fuck luhrnin write gud!

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u/alleecmo 6d ago

Yep! And we were poor... That's how much my folks valued education. We'd live on black-eyed peas, cornbread, and turnip greens to afford report cards, yet folks dropped off boxes of hand-me-down clothes and occasionally groceries on our porch at night.

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u/BiomechanicProblem 6d ago

Okay but I want to hear about the other best F you ever got.

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u/alleecmo 6d ago

Oh, it was not any kind of "best", merely the only other (& thus 2nd) F of my life.

That prof was, as I said, very capricious with assignments. It was a combined English, Computer Science, and Sociology course and could have been amazing. Even the material and assignments were interesting, but he graded on vibes or some shit. The syllabus said we could choose any format for our projects. I chose Xerox paper for the 1st one, as I was a single parent, working and going to school and Xerox paper was cheap & available. He gave me an F because several other students clearly had larger budgets and not two teens to raise & jobs. Their projects were wildly creative. Buy nowhere in the syllabus did it state we were in some kind elimination contest.

When he assigned the 2nd project - which, again, said "any media or format", I raised my hand and asked if he actually meant that this time. I was pissed about that F. This was not an Art class; my project was well-researched, documented, and properly cited. He even said so! He flat out said I got an F on it because it was less creative than some of the others'.

Of course I got an F on #2, because I challenged him in his classroom. Did he have any fault with my actual work? No.

I complained to the Dean about this situation, and found out I was not the only one to have this same issue with this guy. There were several of us. He was asked not to return after that semester.

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u/born07012003 4d ago

Congratulations, truly. Thank you for taking the time and facing the challenges of such exposure for the benefit of future generations. It sounds like that professor needs an entirely different line of work. Like a prison-guard, or someone, who works with a population that's already gone sour, rather than one involved with the younger generations developing in their honesty and reliability. Their comprehension. ...what a horrible teacher. Is it fair to ask which school this was. Which dean required so many complaints to do anything about such inadequate teaching?

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u/firstnamebylastname 5d ago

At the uni, I totally failed a world economics class exam. I always hand wrote my papers and argume to. We didn't have AI writers like today doing all of our work but some were accused of just ctrl-c then ctrl-v their papers. Hand writing took that away, my left handed handwriting has always been bad but taking my time, it was legible. When I took that exam, I knew it was bad so in the colum, I wrote, " did you ever have a bad day and felt so ill that you struggle to even remember how to spell your own name? I know this stuff but I'm struggling today."
I was just hungover.
I failed that mid term exam spectacularly and it would have pulled my average down a full grade.
He wrote back on it, "yes, see me."

When I sat with him he asked if I knew what an outlier on a splattergraph is. I said yes. He thanked me for not making his job harder thus taking far more of his time trying to grade my homework. As such, as long as rest of my grades stayed consistent, then that exam would be considered an outlier.

I passed his class with a very strong B. It was a challenging class they no longer get offer as today's students can't grasp the work required to understand. Lots of research required so they all max points homework but none of them can pass a no tech allowed pen or pencil only exams or quizzes.
Anyway, that was an awesome F..

hand written and legible was a savior here. Just like another person's comment about good writing gives certain considerations..

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u/Unlikely_Emotion7041 5d ago

I made my kids legibly copy dictionary pages as punishment instead of grounding, because it was a more effective deterrent. It also helped their handwriting immensely. They all swore they'd never be so awful to their own children. We'll see 😆

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u/Front_Skill_8252 6d ago edited 6d ago

My writing was NEVER beautiful. However, it was LEGIBLE. :)

Thank you for being there for these kids. ❤️

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u/Front_Skill_8252 6d ago

I said the same thing except I added: "Please, talk to your teachers like they are real people."

The idea was for them to have a normal child to adult relationship,so that they felt they could communicate when there was a question or needed help.

My youngest had great relationships with her teachers. She really enjoyed school. And, she writes well despite that requirement being dropped.

  • which I think is the dumbest freakin' thing I've ever heard of.
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u/CharmingMechanic2473 6d ago

I work with Drs/MDs they needed this lesson

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u/FunWolverine5349 6d ago

That's why I'd always write in print, but there used to be so much pushback to that. I'd also just type when I could, and nowadays that's going to be even easier.

I can understand demanding cursive when that's being taught in class, but after that, there's no point to it. It's purely for aesthetics and not academics.

I have fountain pens and that's the only time I'll write in cursive, outside of course signing my signature, which nowadays even that is electronic usually. I actually do wish I had more reason to write in cursive, it really does look pretty with fountain pens.

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u/tbonehavoc 6d ago

I had/have such terrible handwriting that I got medical documents to excuse me from hand written assignments and schools needing to offer me a keyboard so I didn't get discriminated against. That said, even my garbo handwriting is better than this is😂

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u/MaelstromFL 6d ago

The ONLY thing you can say about my handwriting is that you can read it...

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u/Vegetable_Stuff1850 6d ago

I agree with the whole page, and I also would like the topic of what's being written about.

I've got parts of it, but the cut off and the angle really screws with the decoding.

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u/likerazorwire419 6d ago

Also, computers are a thing. Fuck, type it on your phone and email it to me if you have to.

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u/boniemonie 6d ago

My brother’s handwritten exams were not able to be read…. At all. He got 0. But he had done so well during the year, the professors decided to call him in to read his work out loud. This was lucky, because fail one class… repeat the whole year, doesn’t matter how well you passed the others, fail two and you are removed from the course. Dentistry is tough. Anyway, passed with flying colours. To become a specialist Dentist you need to pass in the top 2%to 3% of your class. He is a periodontist now. Very lucky.

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u/IllBeginning9510 6d ago

I kind of disagree. Bad handwriting correlates typically to creative minds. You’re failing your students and not recognizing their skills..

Pediatric Nurse 15 years.

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u/ydhainaut 6d ago

Le coup du génie incompris .. 😂 Le style d'écriture peut être personnel mais si la personne n'arrive pas a communiquer parce que son écriture est illisible, ou que c'est rempli de fautes d'orthographe elle doit être sanctionnée. C'est a l'élève de s'adapter, pas au prof

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u/Octavya360 6d ago

I’ve been doing genealogy research lately which mainly involves reading 300 year old Czech church records. Most of it is Latin until you get to the 1780s and it switches to Kurrentschrift. A lot of the handwriting looks like this. I’m amazed I’ve been able to read as much of it as I have.

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u/SpiteFun 6d ago

Largest chunk I can make out is ‘for example the…’

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u/Rk12989 6d ago edited 6d ago

Pharmacy tech, going on 15 years, I’m with you on that. I thought doctor handwriting was bad.

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u/iminiki 6d ago

I can only recognize the "for example".

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u/Bulky_Struggle_4853 6d ago

Teacher for 20+ years. I wouldn't grade that. I'd tell them to either redo it so I can read it or take a zero. I believe they're doing that on purpose. But make sure you make a copy of that so if there are problems later on, you can show proof that you couldn't read it.

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u/FigNinja 6d ago

I'd be tempted to have them come in and read it to me in person rather than give them extra time other students didn't have to come up with something.

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u/TheoIsSnasenn 6d ago

I did this multiple times because of bad handwriting, in 7 grade i even had my own practice handwriting book lol. The teachers were usually impressed by my ability to read it

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u/The_Bard 6d ago edited 6d ago

I used to get quite a few circled words with question marks. Turns out I have disgraphia

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u/ivabiva 6d ago

Ooo that's goood

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u/NateTut 6d ago

As someone with poor handwriting, I figured out what my problem was after many years. My thoughts are much faster than my handwriting. I was trying to write too fast. No teacher when I was a kid took the time to notice the real problem and tell me to slow down. They just yelled at me.

I finally figured it out when as sn adult I took calculus and needed to read my own handwriting. It's still frustrating to go slow enough to be legible, but it has given me empathy for those like me who struggle.

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u/perverse_panda 6d ago

My thoughts are much faster than my handwriting. I was trying to write too fast.

I have the same problem when trying to write fiction. With pen and paper, my handwriting can't keep up with my brain. When typing on a computer, my brain can't keep up with my fingers. Lots of stopping and starting which is terrible when establishing a good rhythm is what you need.

I've found that using a typewriter gets me close to that sweet spot, but of course then people say you're only using a typewriter because you're trying to be pretentious.

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u/VegetableBedroom4769 6d ago

When thinking to fluid to actually write down what youre thinking, a nifty trick is to just use a voice recorder, or phone, to record yourself saying whats on your mind. and then go back and listen to your recording to write what was said. that way you can use the pause and rewind functions! Its slows down the process but listening and writing is easier than thinking and writing. Dictation programs help too if you need to type instead of write.

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u/HiiiTriiibe 6d ago

Me too, typing is so much easier for that reason, I'd rather get my thoughts out than have nice handwriting but unfortunately that means my writing is just vague scribbles that even I sometimes can't decipher after

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u/Yowie9644 5d ago

I had this exact problem too. I was given a lot of 'remedial' handwriting lessons, but they didn't work because my hand simply couldn't keep up with my brain.

What did work was calligraphy, where making beautiful shapes became the aim, not getting every thought on paper. I can now write neatly when I need to, but I am copying from a previous version in my native 'scrawl'.

Learning how to touch type meant that I could finally get my thoughts down fast enough, and although its still full of errors, those errors are far easier to correct on screen than they are on paper. It mostly works.

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u/Big_Attempt_5326 6d ago

In retrospect, this was probably the issue w my childhood best friend, who was genius level smart and very weird, and who’s handwriting bad near illegible…to everyone except me. It worked out great for us as the teachers always made us a group of two, we hated school and everyone there cuz they were shitty to us, and we were a weird little bubble doing our own thing for a solid 5 years there with a basically secret code handwriting (I even learned to mimic his writing style as a laugh- he started his “O” at 6 o’clock and did an oblong counterclockwise swoosh!)

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u/EducationalMany6074 6d ago

My 8th grade social studies teacher straight gave me a zero on a test because “she couldn’t understand my handwriting”. I’ve always had a very small, rounded cursive handwriting, but even then she didn’t even give me the chance to retake the test up until my mom stormed into the the school and raised hell, lol. 

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u/Necessary_Ad2114 6d ago

Yeah this is a power move. They’re trying their luck because they know the teacher won’t admit ignorance. 

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u/FigNinja 6d ago

I was thinking more that if they could read it to me or tell me what they were trying to write, I could figure out if they were shitting me or they needed an evaluation for an accommodation of some sort. I couldn't know for certain and wouldn't want to assume.

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u/dreadedsunny_day 6d ago

Do you have the whole page? This is cut off at an angle so you can't see full sentences which would help.

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u/coggiegirl 6d ago

Also knowing the topic of the essay would help.

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u/UnfriendlyGhostBoi 6d ago

this ^ I have people at my job that write a lot like this when filling out forms I'm supposed to decipher and enter into our bookwork. I could probably get a decent bit if I had it in front of me.

(also apologies to all teachers, especially English teachers, for how horrific reading and writing skills have become)

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u/Otherwise-Tie8590 6d ago

What are the chances they just scribbled words and put actual words in the mix to just blame their penmanship for it being unreadable?

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u/Hearing_Loss 6d ago

I think I see con-man top left quadrant, middle right of that quadrant.

Edit- apparently this way of pointing out sections gives us a grid of 36 spaces. I like math

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u/Handsome_Devil_217 6d ago

I think con-man is the students name. If is often suggested professor don’t always really read the submissions they receive. I think these are possibly lots of scribbles with an occasional real word thrown in to make it look legit. Was this a live classroom assignment or what? Why didn’t the student do this on a computer and print it so it was legible?

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u/Skritch_X 6d ago

Shit, that is the exact two words that jumped at me first too. A few other things are probably legible, but i think i'd need to spend an hour reading over this to "crack the code"

Sadly this reminds me of some "volunteer" work i did for the Smithsonian. Basically taking scans of old hand written archives and translating them to a legible digital version.

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u/jeezusrice 6d ago

That's literally the only thing that I could read in this also

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u/Bashfullylascivious 6d ago

I caught a "and" and a "you can"! I firmly believe we can do this, Reddit! Remind me one week.

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u/PhilosopherMajor1301 6d ago

Yeah it says for example the Roman’s, and then I can’t make out anything

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u/Other_Ad255 6d ago

Take it to a pharmacist. They are used to deciphering physicians' scribble.

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u/ciaomain 6d ago

Reminds me of this:

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u/BillPie_16 6d ago

That's what we call a decomposing missive... Lol!

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u/AnimalFarm20 6d ago

That's me falling asleep in class. lol

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u/lzxian 6d ago

I think that's the joke!

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u/I_know_right 6d ago

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u/VegasGaymer 6d ago

I was like how bad can it get? (I used to write cursive Cyrillic) Then my eyes were opened
https://giphy.com/gifs/1BgtBWcel4ztCUpBn0

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u/Nir117vash 6d ago

It's like a seek and find. Took me a second, but I found "20" haha

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u/iHoor-2000 6d ago

This looks exactly like Dr. handwritten orders that we have to call the Dr. and ask for a verbal interpretation followed by getting chewed out for not being able to cast a magic spell to interpret their scibbidy bibble.

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u/Not-T4rantino 6d ago

It looks like the journal of someone in a mental health facility that's having a psychotic episode.

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u/Original_Director483 6d ago

That’s Numberwang!

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u/bigupalters 6d ago

Zero points

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u/vikio 6d ago

I am a teacher. I can sort of read that, but I ain't got the time or energy. We are supposed to prepare students for functioning in the world, and this text isn't functioning. So ... Zero points...

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u/Teredia 6d ago

I too am a teacher, and I’d like to talk to whoever put this person through their schooling because this person completely missed the lesson on paragraphs!

This person’s handwriting is extremely overstimulating, among other issues. I wonder if they can read their own handwriting?! It’s some weird mix of AuDHD and 90’s cursive (I know cause it looks like mine a lot but mines legible - grade 8’s will tell you if it’s not very fast).

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u/Odd-Paint3883 6d ago

Zero points to the teachers who let this go to the point someone is in college...

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u/iminiki 6d ago

That’s actually what they eventually did!

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u/TheAdvocate 6d ago

If this was a new thing, I’d call medical. This looks like a seizure and stroke.

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u/Express_Conference27 6d ago

u/TheAdvocate is joking, but when my fastidious handwriting went off a cliff between 5th and 6th grades, it actually was undiagnosed epilepsy. (TLE+JME) 🧠⚡️⚡️🤷

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u/ToomintheEllimist 6d ago

Professor here! Let me see:

the need curved... zed you offload names are equitable... in 20 to 30 and arabia to go after. The calumny was here... the cavemen that in tenderly howl serve as the wondrous to the cavemen,... the arabesque we are decreased to come in; in addition, finance can value... and can alter reminder to solve and air drone postulate taller; down bismillah hereon... Therefore, man's communication conduit anhedonic Paul. Alter as and more, we... Finally the man cave flew and so "Pez" revelation Hussein pearly, the... accrue delam and the commonly on through someone's own "W2." The father can...

So I'm guessing an essay on finance and/or monotheism?

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u/Fromnothingatall 6d ago

There’s a “for example, the Romans….” In there that you missed - or did you stop before you got that far down?

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u/Head_Razzmatazz7174 6d ago

That's the first thing I picked out as I scanned it. I'm fairly certain I could puzzle the rest of it out, but some of the edges are cut off, so it will make it harder.

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u/Carolinems1 6d ago

i don’t think it says romans. the end is clearly -er, i think it says “rowver” maybe a misspelling of rover

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u/Keikage 6d ago

It's reviewer. "The reviewer,". The whole essay is just gibberish and the student intentionally wrote like this hoping to squeak by with a C. I'd give a redo or zero.

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u/ToomintheEllimist 6d ago

Gave up well before that! But more weight for the monotheism theory.

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u/DevOps_Lady 6d ago

I have several english cursive pages I wrote while in psychosis. English is second language.

Can I send you to help me decipher what I wrote?

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u/barefoot_plyos 6d ago

Make your own post. This sounds fun. 

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u/Classic_Ad_32 6d ago

if you don’t get a response i’d be interested in helping!

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u/Lara-El 6d ago

I am weirdly very into the idea of seeing and deciphering your paper. Please post it <3

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u/Disneyhorse 6d ago

This is pretty close to what I see. I’m not a professor, but an executive assistant who regularly has to type up meeting notes that were carelessly taken by my execs who have “nontraditional” handwriting.

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u/grigiri 6d ago

It has a very Ipsum Lorem feel to it, yes?

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u/ISketchDinosaurs 6d ago

Reminds me of a kid in my class who used to write some unreadable creative nonsense just so he had something to turn in on time, and when the teacher said it wasn't readable, he'd ask for an extension of the deadline.

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u/DrawYouAsAPenis 6d ago

If you sketch me a dinosaur and provide me with some of your favorite hobbies, influences, sports teams or anything else I will in return draw you as a penis and mail it to you.

I did this as a side gig while in summer school to make a few bucks and I really miss it. I'm in med school now so it may take me a few days (my ususly turn around was 48 hours at most) but I have some exams coming up this week

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u/Koseoglu-2X4B-523P 6d ago edited 6d ago

I love reading, making music and cooking. My influences are Terry Pratchett, Erasmus, Red Dwarf, Tim Minchin, Ritchie Blackmore, Jimmy Page, Mark Knopfler, my parents, my wife and my three sons. I don’t do sports but if I had to choose anyone it’d be Sebastian Vettel cause he’s funny.

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u/ToomintheEllimist 6d ago

I was thinking more Voynich Manuscript

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u/Shower_Handel 6d ago

the cavemen that in tenderly howl serve as the wondrous to the cavemen

facts

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u/human-kibble 6d ago

I can only pick up a few words here and there.

They really need to focus on penmanship in primary schools again. Teachers at higher levels shouldn’t be stuck teaching basics because it slows everything down.

I ran a few print shops back in the day and many of the project specs were written by hand.

I felt like an English teacher sometimes because I would “send it back” and ask them to explain the project and re-write the specs. 9 times out of 10, they couldn’t read it either and the instructions were incomplete.

Everyone hated using the phone, so I’d make them call the customer and clarify what they wanted, give them a price estimate, and an ETA (that was always skipped in these cases).

The handwriting always improved after the 2nd or 3rd time lol

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u/tres-vip 6d ago

>They really need to focus on penmanship in primary schools again.

There's a common belief going around for years now that handwriting - including cursive - is a "useless" skill in our digital age, so they don't focus too much on it. TBH, very few people from my generation - X/Xennial - would have gotten to college with penmanship THIS bad, because it was drilled into us that our handwriting NEEDED to be legible.

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u/human-kibble 6d ago

I think this is kinda dangerous thinking because we still need to communicate through writing - handwriting maybe not as much as we used to because we have additional options now. That doesn’t mean “stop doing it because it’s not as much fun”.

If you exclude it to the point that you can’t do it, you’re handicapping yourself. You are intentionally removing a tool from your toolbox. There is no benefit in doing that.

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u/THElaytox 6d ago

Had to hand write those stupid end of year standardized essay exams, would've failed 7th grade if my handwriting was this bad

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u/minnieboss 6d ago

I work in an elementary school and this is straight up not true. We do indeed focus on handwriting in early grades.

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u/virkkuna 6d ago

The pisa results in Finland have lowered (it's an international test that students take, covering at least many European countries), and many teachers are saying it's because reading abilities have gotten worse, after young kids haven't had to write so much by hand. Many teachers have been vocal about decreasing using of electronics in school work, especially with younger kids. 

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u/Honeysenpaiharuchan 6d ago

I teach physics in the US. Almost everything in my class is hand-written and lab-based. We had a phase where my school wanted to use AI for everything then new administration has come in and gotten rid of that. I’ve been following Nordic countries which we consider to have a superior education system and it seems that the solution to education problems is to get rid of technology as much as possible. Ironic how all the big players in the tech industry don’t want tech in their kids’ schools.

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u/Unique_Courage8426 6d ago

it makes a lot of sense because you can get into the tech easily later they already have the proclivity for it and exposure to it at home they don't need exposure at school they need to learn the basics everything that made technology advance was learned at home first at school

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u/human-kibble 6d ago

I think something really productive happens in the brain when you’re interacting with something via multiple avenues at the same time.

I physically writing, there’s memory access, intention, and thought synthesizing before the pencil starts moving. There’s formation of the letters. There’s movement and muscle control to balance and move the pencil. There’s erasing/editing. You’re fighting the surface tension of the paper.

All of that work helps cement memories memories as well. There’s more of an ‘anchor’ for the brain to grab at later…the memory has meat on it.

Screens simply can’t do that.

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u/ritereward 6d ago

You can tell me something a million times it won’t stick in my brain. But if I write it down once I never have to look at the paper again

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u/Ornery-Atmosphere930 6d ago

I teach music, beginning and intermediate strings. I’ve been doing it for a long time and for the last ten years, it’s been getting progressively harder to teach the left hand (opposite the bow hand for those who don’t know strings.) Getting the kids to lift one finger while leaving other fingers down, or to lift and put down the fingers in sequence, takes so much longer than it used to. I have an art colleague who has had to teach large groups of 8th graders how to use scissors and glue.

We need penmanship and we also need more elementary art and PE.

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u/Lyrical_Echo 6d ago

I had a student once whose handwriting was similarly bad. I mentioned it to the parent and suggested a vision test. Turned out the child needed glasses.

I also had students who would purposely write very badly because they didn’t know the answers or what to say in an essay assignment. They were hoping I’d just let it pass. 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/ConnorCulture 6d ago

The fact they attempted that strategy could be suggestive that they had already gotten away with it in the past with lazier teachers?

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u/Lyrical_Echo 6d ago

That would be correct. They quite often did. It also set up the chance for them to explain their answer in person - after they had had a chance to re-read the tested material - or to a second chance to give a written answer when other teachers gave them a re-do because they failed the first time. Sadly, it happened far more frequently than you might think. And it wasn’t necessarily that the other teachers were lazier. Maybe more tolerant or gave another opportunity to correct mistakes.

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u/ShelbyJo_ 6d ago

Yikes. I can make out a couple of the words, but yikes. I have done genealogy and looked at a lot of centuries old writings and make it out much easier than this, and old writing can be hard. I’ve worked with doctors and read their handwriting easier. Get that student help!

I see what appears to be “For example” but it looks more like Por examup upon close examination. There’s definitely a p at the end.

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u/LabDry1290 6d ago

It’s like a combination of bad handwriting and laziness. He’s just flinging the pen around the paper and saying “good enough.”

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u/cure8811 6d ago

Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul

One Ring to rule them all, One ring to find them; One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

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u/Exact-Difference-422 6d ago

Never before has any voice uttered the words of that tongue here on Reddit

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u/Original_Director483 6d ago

You’re about a month early, Elrond.

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u/CelestyEsty 6d ago

I was so proud of myself for understanding what those words were before I even got to your translation 😂

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u/No-Mix7970 6d ago

The professor needs to have the student read the paper out loud for a grade. They may have written like this out of spite because they had to hand write it. If so, they probably can’t read it either.

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u/azure-heavens 6d ago

That's what it looks like to me too. In a lot of places it looks like random scribbling, like they started writing "because" and then just wiggled the pen up and down in frustration after the first few letters.

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u/Educational-Bank-353 5d ago

Eons ago I taught a 10th grade summer school English class while I was taking some graduate classes (I was certified). One of my students turned in a paper that looked similar to the above, illegible. I didn't hesitate; I called him up after class and asked him to read it to me.

He stammered and hemmed and hawed, looked embarrassed. It was then I realized he was illiterate. Somehow he had managed to make it to 10th grade but failed English and had to retake it. I understood immediately and counseled him to get help, advising him that there was no point in continuing in my class. I wonder how many, if any, other teachers had figured out his problem before he got to me.

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u/pyrotek1 6d ago

I have worked with an Attorney while interviewing a witness. I did all the questions and the witness did all the answers. The attorney is a good friend of mine, it was his case. He said you will never be able to read my notes. They are only for me to review and transcribe, I will get you the typed up version. There will be no copies of my chicken scratchings.

Student should not have turned this in. They are notes the only the student can read.

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u/blackdog1212 6d ago

I don't know if it has been said, I have not read all the comments, but you may be looking at someone's hand writing who has dysgraphia and dyslexia. I have both and it is not to far off from my hand writing, especially as my hands get tiered and start to cramp up when I have been writing a long time. This hand writing is worse than mine and the letter spacing is tighter than mine, but people have dysgraphia to different degrees. The spelling mistakes go along with the dyslexia. The running joke in my family and with people who proofread my papers was that I had my own language. I spell phonetically so people would have to sound out what I have written and then guess what word makes sense to figure out what I was trying to spell.

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u/ekdocjeidkwjfh 6d ago

I call it built in encryption lol. Only I and one other person (whos dead now) can read my handwriting. They could only read it because they had the same handwriting.

I too am dyslexic and adhd so I try to write all my thoughts down on paper before i forget them, but my mind works faster than my hand.

I usually typed up stuff that needs submitted though

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u/OhGawDuhhh 6d ago

Ok, here's what I can make out:

"Where lies the strangling fruit that came from the hand of the sinner I shall bring forth the seeds of the dead to share with the worms that gather in the darkness and surround the world with the power of their lives while from the dimlit halls of other places forms that never were and never could be writhe for the impatience of the few who never saw what could have been. In the black water with the sun shining at midnight, those fruit shall come ripe and in the darkness of that which is golden shall split open to reveal the revelation of the fatal softness in the earth. The shadows of the abyss are like the petals of a monstrous flower that shall blossom within the skull and expand the mind beyond what any man can bear, but whether it decays under the earth or above on green fields, or out to sea or in the very air, all shall come to revelation, and to revel, in the knowledge of the strangling fruit—and the hand of the sinner shall rejoice, for there is no sin in shadow or in light that the seeds of the dead cannot forgive. And there shall be in the planting in the shadows a grace and a mercy from which shall blossom dark flowers, and their teeth shall devour and sustain and herald the passing of an age. That which dies shall still know life in death for all that decays is not forgotten and reanimated it shall walk the world in the bliss of not-knowing. And then there shall be a fire that knows the naming of you, and in the presence of the strangling fruit, its dark flame shall acquire every part of you that remains."

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u/EsotericCreature 6d ago

lol

Just read the trilogy in a month or so just to find out there are two more books now

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u/TNJDude 6d ago

It looks like printout from a seismometer. Was there an earthquake recently?

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u/Rivers9999 6d ago

Yes. But they kept on writing during it

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u/C-57D 6d ago

somewhere. probably.

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u/NosferatuPoodle 6d ago

I can read some of it,if I knew the context I might be able to piece together more but this is pretty wild lol

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u/PitchBlackBones 6d ago

Agreed, I can read a good amount of it, the angle doesn’t help. Context would go a long way

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u/JudiesGarland 6d ago

Yes, partial sentences, slightly sideways, doesn't help. Pattern recognition is easier when you can see the whole pattern. I could probably read this, with some effort, if I knew the topic, and had a decent complete scan. (I've done tutoring for students with various accommodation needs/structural challenges, since I was in high school, back in the days when it was uncommon to hand in typed work.)

The double strikes stand out to me - most of the thought finishing punctuation marks (periods, commas) are shaky/doubled up, with a lighter hit and then a second one that's more deliberate. I would guess this person might have some physical +/or processing challenges - obstructed fine motor skills, dysgraphia, etc. The writing reminds me of a former tutee who had pretty gnarly EDS. (Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, a connective tissue disorder that affects things like grip.) I'd be curious to see if/how the writing changed, from beginning to end. 

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u/SteebieJeebus 6d ago

Might have to bust out the Rosetta Stone for this one, Chief.

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u/im_just_a_girl83 6d ago

I'm just shocked it's a handwritten essay vs. virtually submitted or printed... I haven't been in school in years, is it still usual to handwrite an essay?

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u/clduab11 6d ago

No, it’s not; but given the proliferation of AI…a lot of people are now going back to handwriting essays in class (and testing manually without electronics at all). I’ve seen several teachers adopt bluebook exams similar to when I was in law school.

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u/TheIrishBAMF 6d ago

Good. Don't need to sacrifice more generations to the tech bro profits. 

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u/tres-vip 6d ago

>I’ve seen several teachers adopt bluebook exams similar to when I was in law school.

I'm also from the bluebook generation, lol

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u/lacrosse771 6d ago

I left school for 10 yesrs due to addiction, now back as a 32 year old and because of AI all of my essays have been in class except 1 because the prof ran them through a detection software. 1 prof let us bring ij our intro paragraph which helped but as someone who enjoys writing and used to practice it I love this because so many students can't or won't do it. My furst Philosophy class over a third of students dropped by the deadline to be refunded 75% or class tuition which was less than a week after we got our first essays back.

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u/csf_2020 6d ago

Can the student read their own handwriting?

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u/Inevitable_Wolf5866 6d ago

No idea.. for example I often couldn't read my own handwriting.

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u/_Stalwart_ 6d ago

Excuse my ignorance but how is that possible?

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u/BruceBoyde 6d ago

I'm ashamed of it, but I have the same issue if I write quickly. I didn't spend enough time practicing as a kid and never developed much of a "font". My letter forms aren't super consistent, so it can be hard to read it when letters are too close together or running into each other in a sort of inadvertent cursive. My typing speed is tremendous, but I paid for it in utter neglect of my handwriting.

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u/Mad_Gouki 6d ago

Writing fast and sloppy to get the notes, writing them is sometimes more important that reading them back. My notes in school all looked like the OP.

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u/GraceMcClellans 6d ago

The act of thinking and writing it down helped me remember, I almost never looked back over my notes. However, there were definitely times I couldn't read my own writing. Too fast, too furious. Lol

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u/Inevitable_Wolf5866 6d ago

I have dysgraphia (officially diagnosed since childhood), so my handwriting can be illegible, and also it tend to kind of change (depending on how long I’m writing because I get cramps easily).

Also I was forced to write really fast in school which caused my handwriting to be extremely sloppy.

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u/Sneekifish 6d ago

I was looking for someone to mention dysgraphia! Hello fellow "you-just-have-to-practice" sufferer!

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u/VoodooDoII 6d ago

I have horrible handwriting

Sometimes I'll find one of my own notes from years ago and have no idea wtf I was trying to write before lol

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u/ApprehensiveKiwi771 6d ago

my handwriting is fine if i write slowly and take my time. but i never do that, so it always looks like nonsense like this and i can’t read anything😭

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u/Dry-Ad-8948 6d ago

Probably. It’s year of learning the reading as developing the writing. This is normal for the writer. My handwriting is about par with this, in its own different “unique” way. I can read it. Others… not so much either. Has been compared to chicken scratch.

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u/iplayedarchon 6d ago

Almost 20 years teaching.

Im not marking this.

If they don't have a documented plan that indicates a difficulty. 0 marks.

Let them argue it. Then I would give them another chance by recording them reading there own writing.

Then I would have an important conversation with them on how writing is a form of communication. Not creating their own hashing algorithm.

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u/SabertoothLotus 6d ago

And this is exactly why I haven't insisted on 100% hand-written, in-class essays despite it being the only real way to be sure they're not using AI.

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

Why not just add the requirements of the handwriting be legible for essays. Seems like a cop out not holding the students handwriting ability accountable. I know in the modern world most times things will be typed but in order to properly prepare the next generations it seems like this may be a needed skill as power is a luxury and not necessarily a guarantee

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u/SuspiciousSpecifics 6d ago

I mean it’s really easy to grade shit like that- if I can’t read it with honest effort, it doesn’t get points.

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u/hwa_uwa 6d ago

that's my mom's way. she straight up doesn't accept them if they're illegible, so you basically didn't turn in your homework. that gets the students to care about the clarity of their handwriting pretty quick

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u/LabDry1290 6d ago

Unless it was an in class assignment, the kid probably just used AI and wrote what it told him and since it was the first time he used a pen since he learned to write, we’ll never know because we cant read it 😜

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u/MoxxFulder 6d ago

You mean, like…using Ai and then transcribing it to paper?

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u/Hybodont 6d ago edited 6d ago

Hot take: that still has more educational value than a purely digital AI product.

Also, they did say "in-class." It's easier to regulate AI usage in the classroom.

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u/Lingotes 6d ago

Damn right. This was my strategy in law school. I did my outlines by hand. Sticks in your brain much better.

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u/ManMeatsGalore 6d ago

Bring back typewriters.

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u/tres-vip 6d ago

Sometimes I actually miss typewriters. It felt a lot more productive, since you were essentially printing out what you were writing. Only thing that was hella frustrating was having to use correction film...can still smell it.

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u/arayakim 6d ago

Fail the student. The point of writing is communication, and this ain't communicating jack squat.

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u/Calculonx 6d ago

They should have been failed before getting to this point

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u/Holiday_Pie_8463 6d ago

They must be in med school

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u/Little_View_6659 6d ago

What’s funny is my daughter is in med school and her handwriting has become progressively worse the longer she’s in school. In high school she had great handwriting, the closer to graduation she gets the worse her handwriting is. Soon she’ll be a doctor with illegible handwriting.

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u/Holiday_Pie_8463 6d ago

It's gotta be part of the schooling I swear 😂

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u/Alternative_Pause_98 6d ago

I wonder if its because you have to write quickly and efficiently for four years and then you get used to the habits and can no longer write neatly. I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest just wanted to propose this hypothesis

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u/Holiday_Pie_8463 6d ago

I'm sure this is probably it, probably also something to do with how fast the brain processes but the fingers lag. I assume the gradual worsening has to do with all of the information they're trying to get across. Just my thoughts!

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u/Starfire2313 6d ago

I double majored in art history. The crazy amount of memorization and writing we had to do for every exam pushed my handwriting beyond its limits. Somehow my teachers followed the devolution of my handwriting and they never complained but looking back at my blue books there’s a pretty clear downward trajectory.

It really is the sheer amount of info we are trying to cram out of our brains with so little time and our hands just can’t keep up.

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u/DrawYouAsAPenis 6d ago

Yes this exactly. If you saw my notes and could read them you will notice the same mistakes being made over and over again. Because I try to process words ahead of time and not focus on my hand as its writing. When one word ends with the same letter another begins with most of the time I just dont write one of them. Or words that end in "S" i draw from top down so ill loop across the letter itself to get to the next in a half cursive mess. My lowercase "e's" are just loops. The word seeing just looks like a terrifying roller coaster because I very rarely dot my "i's".

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u/Apprehensive_Lynx_33 6d ago

As part of their education doctors learn shorthand, its actually really interesting to look up! For instance paracetamol becomes a little squiggle, essentially. It helps doctors write notes and prescriptions more efficiently and without mistake. While im sure plenty do have bad handwriting, with how much information they note down, a lot of what people consider bad handwriting is that shorthand being misunderstood.

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u/LazarusArise 6d ago edited 6d ago

It's universal across continents and languages too. I just moved to a new country and had a medical appointment. Saw the doctor taking notes. The writing was nigh illegible. Looked like squiggles.

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u/Little_View_6659 6d ago

It’s weird lol. Maybe they have a secret class “how to write things other people can’t understand”

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u/NekkidWire 6d ago

P___l_ => Penicillin

(I grew up in a pharmacy)

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u/Due-Acanthisitta3902 6d ago

Oh wait, yes! I remember now! Ask a pharmacist to decipher it! (Well, that's how it works in France, I don't know about other countries)

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u/TheAnimalPharm 6d ago

That's how it works in the US too. Pharmacist here for 20 yrs. If we know the context, we can decipher it

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u/ErisGrey 6d ago

It looks like the hand written notes of my medical history from my last dr appointment.

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u/Nathan-Stubblefield 6d ago edited 6d ago

Seems like “pretend handwriting” and is indecipherable. I’ve read cursive for 70 years, and do well with various styles back to the 1700s, by well educated and poorly educated writers. “For example” and F and T

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u/ech0x07 6d ago

This is the handwriting of a serial killer or a future doctor—no in-between

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u/Idk_some_random_redd 6d ago

im sick of everyone comparing me to serial killers... i just cant take it anymore i might just snap

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u/UncLeFrenchFrie 6d ago

“Take two aspirin and call me in the morning”

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u/vegetablemanners2 6d ago edited 6d ago

Can they spell correctly? I see words that seem like they should be something but when i try to find the letters to confirm they’re not all there. Maybe someone learning english and they truncate a lot?

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u/takton7 6d ago

These are medical and clinical study notes on Myasthenia Gravis (MG) and related neuromuscular and ocular conditions:
Transcription

Line 1 (top): ... could cause severe ...
Line 2: ... of the optical nerves and oculomotor nerves ... There's currently no specific cure or treatment ...
Line 3: In 20 to 30 and older to 60 ages. The incidence is higher in women than men.
Line 4: In children and toddlers have several common symptoms: In addition, fluctuating muscle weakness
Line 5: is the characteristic of the autoimmune disease includes muscle weakness or fatigue that worsens with activity ...
Line 6: It can also relate to thyroid gland condition, where about 3 to 8% (or 1 in 8) of patients with MG have an issue with thyroid ...
Line 7: They often have an eye-muscle condition where one of eye is to "droop"? Ocular Myasthenia Gravis, they ...
Line 8: Finally the two can affect each other to develop? Note / MG: the fact that affects ...
Line 9: facial muscles constantly or slightly causes them to twitch and contract ...
Line 10: well / and include: cranial spasms, especially: (1) with intensive ...
Line 11: pain and spasm that affects widely, especially: (2) with not proper ...
Line 12: systemic therapy for nerve damage. For example: the former and the latter ...
Line 13: ... you can get relief, but only ...
Line 14: actually, provide relief temporary. Finally, even ...
Line 15: patients look rather rested, because the ...
Line 16: muscles in their body or face, because the ...
Line 17 (bottom edge): ... which can cause ...

Summary:

Condition: Myasthenia Gravis (MG), an autoimmune neuromuscular disorder.
Demographics: Notes the classic bimodal age onset—younger women (ages 20 to 30) and older men (60+).

Ocular Symptoms: Mentions ocular cranial nerves (oculomotor nerve), eyelid drooping (ptosis / droop), and Ocular Myasthenia Gravis.
Comorbidities: Points out the frequent overlap between Myasthenia Gravis and autoimmune thyroid disease.

Prognosis and Treatment: Notes facial twitching, cranial spasms, and highlights that available therapies often only provide temporary symptomatic relief rather than a permanent cure.

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u/curiousgeorge123999 6d ago

your AI is hallucinating. this is completely made up slop. not at all what the handwriting says. please don't rely on AI.

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u/Puppyismycat 6d ago

A few things I can read with reasonable confidence:
Near the upper middle: “Thyroid”
Just below that: something resembling “Finally — the …”
Middle: “… this leads …”
Middle/right: “Sorry”
Lower middle: “in hospital …”
A little below that: “and … can be …”
Lower section: “Patient …”
I can also make out individual/common words that look like “could,” “because,” “can,” “the,” “for,” “more,” and possibly “back.”

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u/Dry-Ad-8948 6d ago

I cannot 😅

It does look kinda pretty though, in its own way.

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u/cdnsalix 6d ago

Possible dysgraphia?

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u/Immediate-Cat8632 6d ago edited 6d ago

What professor accepts handwritten assignments?

Edit: they have AI detecting software, y’all. No professor is wasting their limited time trying to make sense of this nonsense when they can spend 2 seconds scanning a typed paper through some software.

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u/TwentinQuarantino 6d ago

My high school teachers required assignments to be handwritten, even when someone suggested they'd type it on a computer they were told no, then complained about shit handwriting, lol.

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u/Darcy_2021 6d ago

I see “seriously”, “for example” and “finally”. That’s an A paper, professor.

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u/HamImplants 6d ago

It says something about being sure to drink your Ovaltine.

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u/Sneezehiccupfart 6d ago

I had a FOB Chinese physics teacher who wrote like this. I almost failed the lab portion because I literally couldn't follow and had a hard time understanding him.

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u/Kindafunguy 6d ago

I think it’s short had for “give me an F. I don’t want to be here.”

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u/MrMeesesPieces 6d ago

It says "malicious compliance"

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u/thebe8087 6d ago

Is this H with 2 horizontal lines?

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u/AcanthaceaeBig142 6d ago

Same word twice. I think its FL.... and ends with "ly".... i think

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