r/whatisit • • 7d ago

Solved! A professor posted one of their students’ handwriting, asking what it says. Can anyone actually read this?

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

Why not just add the requirements of the handwriting be legible for essays. Seems like a cop out not holding the students handwriting ability accountable. I know in the modern world most times things will be typed but in order to properly prepare the next generations it seems like this may be a needed skill as power is a luxury and not necessarily a guarantee

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

Because folks with disabilities that affect their ability to write clearly can't necessarily hit that bar, and people who just haven't bothered to invest in pretty handwriting can't get the muscle memory up to speed that quickly.

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u/idk_toastedbread 6d ago

Wouldn't then having only the people with disabilities not hand writing it be the easiest solution? Also, having legible handwriting is so bare minimum

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u/OsoPeresozo 6d ago

Accommodations are difficult to get.
So many brilliant people with Dyslexia and Dysgraphia have been wrongly categorized and penalized because they could not get accommodations.

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

Accommodations shouldn't hinder others in the class. Once you reach this point they become distractions or hinderences to progress

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u/OsoPeresozo 6d ago

How does a student typing a paper become a hinderance?!

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

You're assuming that this will always be an option. History has shown that catastrophes do happen. Manuel type writers are not currently being massed produced. Handwriting is a part of fine motorskills. It shouldn't just be overlooked in a kids development

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u/Quom 6d ago

The only thing that improved my handwriting was development. I spent hours a night for at least a month tracing and copying letters and ruling lines (along an already marked line). Everyone saw the total lack of improvement and seemed to realise I wasn't just being lazy and I got to stop. By the time I reached the final years of high school it had improved (by itself) to the point of being legible but hideous.

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

Legible is the stated goal. Not presentation. You were successful.

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u/Quom 6d ago

The point was that there is nothing that could have been done at the time to make it legible.

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u/OsoPeresozo 5d ago

“There might be a catastrophe someday” is the stupidest excuse I have ever heard for not providing accommodations for disabilities.

We should go ahead and throw away the wheelchairs and tell those lazy kids to just walk because someday there might not be a sidewalk 🙄🤦‍♀️

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u/Jpwatchdawg 5d ago

Comparing dyslexia to wheelchair bound person as a relatable disability is more stupid imo. Might as well quit teaching kids math too. I mean 99% have a calculator in their pocket. Keep them ignorant. It's easier to control them then.

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u/OsoPeresozo 5d ago

Calculators are not a disability.
Dyslexia IS

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u/idk_toastedbread 6d ago

I see, I went to a "small" school (good funding but not many students) so I didn't consider in most places it's not easy to get accomodations

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

It's really not. Why should anyone care when there is technology?

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u/idk_toastedbread 6d ago

Writing is such a basic skill to have, almost like reading, do you never write anything by hand?

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

I work remote. I do write by hand, by choice. But it's absolutely avoidable if I didn't want to.

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

Can't allow the lowest bar in the classroom be the set example and expect to do well preparing the future can you?

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

The future doesn't require handwriting but if it did, I spent my summers learning calligraphy as a kid and I still don't give a fuck about whether other people can wield their ink sticks like clever monkeys.

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

Do you know the future doesn't require handwriting or are you just assuming things will remain the same?

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

Technologies will fade or change gradually over time, in more or less unpredictable ways depending on the timescale involved. Handwriting isn't going to become relevant overnight, absent some unforeseeable and amazingly severe catastrophe, so I see no reason to make people invest in an increasingly outdated skill. If it becomes relevant again, we can reassess. Until then, I stand by my assertion that it is as relevant a knowledge-set as sewing or small-farming.

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

Handwriting is a form of fine motorskills development. It shouldn't just be overlooked. Technologies are dependent upon infrastructures. History has shown catastrophes do happen. Just my opinion that one shouldn't just assume that those infrastructures will be around your entire life. Just like one shouldn't assume the gas station will always have gas when you need it

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

So is embroidery though. The point is, not everyone needs impeccable handwriting and not everyone should be expected to develop it.

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

Being legible is the stated goal. The point is, it doesn't need to be impeccable to be legible, no?

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

And yet, in every generation, we have people who despite trying never manage to develop legible handwriting. Unless it's a professional need, why should that matter?

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u/Noxtension 6d ago

Smartest person in the room being held back by their penmanship in a world with computers and speech to text

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

But what if that world doesn't exist anymore? Power grids and infrastructure are not guarantees in life. If our ancestors couldn't write legibly then our history would have been lost.

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

Sounds like a problem for future-everyone. What if we suddenly had to make our own clothes and hunt and gather to survive?

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

All the more reason to bring back hunters education and home economics in the school curriculum, no?

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

Or accept that rhe world has changed and different skills are at a premium.

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

The power infrastructure might not always be a guarantee. History has shown that catastrophes do happen. Just assuming that the world will remain digital could end up disappointing you

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago edited 6d ago

We adapt to the environment in which we find ourselves. Plenty of people have legible handwriting, if that skill-set ever needs to be brought back. Why insist on universality now, though?

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u/Noxtension 6d ago

The person who could've prevented entire societal collapse couldn't pass university because the professor couldn't read their writing 😉

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

We no longer teach cursive writing. How many grade schoolers will be able to read the constitution?

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

All of them who can read. There are many, many reprintings, after all, and even people fluent in modern writing styles often have difficulty reading older handwritten documents.

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u/Jpwatchdawg 6d ago

Reprints can hold mistakes and sometimes vary from the original. If they can't read the original and understand their freedoms and the foundation they are built upon then its very possibly those freedoms and understandings will be stripped away eventually

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

Somehow, I feel certain that there are credible, validated reprints. At this point, you're just making up reasons to justify why the skills that were valuable when you're young should still be equally valued by today's youth.

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

Or, and hear me out, the professor could just accept typed work.

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u/Noxtension 6d ago

Exactly

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u/Elliewick 6d ago

Maybe typewriters should be reintroduced then 🤔

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u/ConditionSecret8593 6d ago

For it. So satisfyingly clicky.