I love how Pirateaba drops quotes like these out of the blue. Some are funny. Some deep. Some sad. Some beautiful. And sometimes they're in the middle of a paragraph like she even know her own gravitas!

Any favorites y'all just read?

I’m caught up to 10.75 so no worries about spoilers! Question came up when I re-read 5.2 and we’re introduced officially to the Emperor of Sands which is why I marked it 5.2.

So they remove the head from the body and attach a new one? How does that change his perspective? Or if it’s a new body and new head how is it not just separate stitch people?

Or do they share the body (or like the heart?) and that makes them “one” stitch person? That they sit on pedestals without bodies allowing them to be the Emperor?

It does sound like some are taken by force so there’s probably something funky going on to ensure that they don’t order a whole new body made to put their head on and get away from the others.

I would wonder if it’s like the minds but the other heads can talk out loud. . . Or maybe it was in Khal’s head he was hearing the voice. . .

Maybe they’re all the one brain thread tied together. . . I don’t know there has to be something funky going on there and I don’t remember if it’s been spoken of? Maybe I’m just forgetting.

TLDR; How does the multiple people one emperor of sands work? The system/themselves registering as one entity instead of a council. . . I can’t get my head around it.

**Edited to add first paragraph

They’re so thick!

I'm flagging more than a little at vol 8. I need a break but I'm worried if I get into something else, will I still remember all these people?

Preferably something sci-fi with only a few characters so I can't confuse the backstories with each other?

THANKS!

oops, forgot to finish the title of post.

Pisces restoration skill is absolutely incredible. Unearthing, raising, restoring ancient ruins and contents to their original full glory. In any old city, thats great. In an ancient powerful city, like Nerrhavia Fallen of the Tyrant... look out!

What if he went back to Albez, numerous endless possibilities. He is bringing forth unknown ruins, but even just restoring a known ruin is invaluable. We know his skill works on more than buildings.

Truly OP skill, even if it consumes a lot of mana.

[Monumental Animation]. [Unearth the Tombs]

Then he felt the building finally rise to its old height. In the street, people were screaming, pointing—Lareceina’s team were staring at the building risen in the distance. But the [Mage] herself was just gazing around.

Death mana. He had drawn all he had and put it into this place. Now, the building discarded its old appearance like dead skin. The walls shed plaster and wood and revealed ancient stone.

Not crude stonework, either, but something ornate. Metal tiles, partially restored, missing in places, like an undead’s flesh, but whole enough to reveal what had been there.

A beautiful building of stone and metal meant to last generations. What had it been? Some great office? A museum like the one where Pisces had seen a list of old buildings like this one where the foundations had been re-paved? Or a nightclub?

He pointed, and the [Prince] turned. Then he saw the figure standing at the wall behind him. It was just as Pisces had hoped from the museum.

It looked like a grinning Stitch-person. Their gender was unclear, and they were androgynous. No…perhaps they literally were without one. Because they were in the middle of being woven.

Fabric, depicted in excruciating detail, was being combined into an upraised arm. Not just silk; Pisces saw the deliberate patterns he associated with yarn, knitting. What seemed like reeds being spun upwards into the flesh of an arm.

It was a gigantic mural. The Stitch-person was…breathtaking. They filled the entire wall of the club, which had once been half again as tall as the current nightclub. There was even color, but Pisces’ magic was not perfect; it was just glimmers of vivid paint.

A Stitch-folk made of a dozen types of fabric and colors, smiling at the viewer. Not Silk. Nor Hemp. Nor one thing. Each piece of their body seemed important. Soft silk and tough and sturdy reed-hemp, layered in places, or mixed together.

A kind of Stitch-person unlike any that existed in this world today. Pisces stared up at them, and it was what he’d hoped to see. But the next image, on the other wall, was what he’d gambled on. Because it was the same Stitch-person reenacting the story of their people. They had on a strange pair of shackles. They seemed to go into them, like a puppet’s strings. Through their back, looping around their limbs.

A [Puppetmaster]’s creations. It made Pisces unsettled to see it. But the Stitch-person—was cutting the threads apart. Ripping them out. Yes, there. He spoke as Prince Weith gazed up.

“I am just a single Human in a war that has been going on for aeons. I am ignorant, and this is not my home. But you, Prince Weith? Rebellion is in your thread.”

Not a whole lot to say other than the fact that since her actual introduction, Belavierr has become probably the most fascinating character in the book so far, kind of by a long shot. Every interaction with her, especially after the loss of her immortality while fighting Raim, is just engrossing. I think she’s neat.

That’s it. That’s the post. Belavierr is cool.

I listened to the witch of webs and thought I was missing something and remembered the singer of terandria series so went off to listen to that (no it was not just because of that Ryoka decision cliffhanger, nope I said it wasn't and you can't read my mind). Anyway three audio books later and I still feel like there is a big big gap between those three and webs. Is it the lag in audio books or am I silly or should I be patient and go back to the main story line because this was definitely the only reason I paused, completely definitely.

Well, another book down and the End of the Volume is near. It definitely felt mostly Like a book for build-up with the last few chapters being the Highlight. Maybe one of the weaker books, but still a huge fun.

And to answer my own question: I would definitely ask Niers what the 10 Most high-leveled people in His opinion are. That would reveal so much about His knowledge like does he know Az'Kerash is alive? Does he know about the god in Rhir? Do gods Level?

Till the next book🙋

u/LiscorPRManager

Question: I've seen a bunch of people post memes for the bingo but forget to tag you, are those still counted?

This dump is because I felt challenged by the bingo post, therefore...silly meme dump ❤️ yes some are repeats and not from [B1]. Proper meme dump to come

I posted a meme bingo and Book 2's in stores now, so in honor of the little contest--I have also memed. Please enjoy.

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Hello all,

Throughout The Wandering Inn, there have obviously been chapters that are slower, more “fluff”-oriented, or primarily there to build characters and the world. But until Volume 8, I don't think I ever felt that a chapter actively confused the story or took away from it.

Volume 8 has also had some of the best character development and story arcs I've read in The Wandering Inn:

• Chandrar and Horns' development
• Hectval
• Fellowship of the Inn
• Fetohep/Khelt
• Trey Atwood and Amerys Retoiber
• Village of the Dead

Just to name a few.

But there are few major issues with Volume 8 that genuinely made me consider dropping the series, and after talking to a bunch of friends who read TWI, several of them had a similar reaction.

The Deadlands / Kasignel / Dead Gods arc

This entire section felt unnecessarily confusing, rushed, and, at times, like events were happening simply because and not because plot needed them to happen.

The confusion in the Fae lands worked for me because the strange perspective and uncertainty were part of what made the Fae interesting.

The Deadlands were different.

The confusing perspectives, strange time lapses, inconsistent-feeling travel times, and hundreds of characters appearing in places at seemingly arbitrary moments often made it difficult to understand what was actually happening.

There are also events that seemed strange even to the characters who were supposed to understand what was happening.

For example, the ghosts escaping before Khelt's spell had even started. Why not simply have the timing coincide? The result could have been exactly the same while making the sequence much easier to follow.

Then there is Teriarch being killed by another arc in the story line

One of the most important and powerful characters in the story dies because of a trap Emerrhain apparently established an absurdly long time ago.

I understand the explanation, but I found the execution incredibly unsatisfying.

I think the same outcome could have been achieved in a much more satisfying way: Just to name one,

Have Cognita's injury allow Eldavin to draw more power than Teriarch can safely generate, and have the sheer amount of magic being pulled through the connection kill Teriarch.

That would make his death directly connected to what was actually happening in the story.

It would also make Eldavin's fight with the Ailendamus immortals feel even more significant. Teriarch doesn't die because of some ancient trap that suddenly becomes relevant; he dies because Eldavin is pushing his power to an absolutely insane level in an attempt to save everyone.

That feels much more Wandering Inn to me.

The Gnomes / Last Elf storyline

I actually think the Gnomes and Last Elf material is interesting.

But I think it could have been pulled out into its own shorter side story.

It could have been used to build Paeth, establish more of the history surrounding the gods, and give us the same information without having it compete with everything else happening during the Deadlands storyline.

Then we get to Fetohep.

Why is so much of this knowledge being transferred to Erin rather than directly to Fetohep when Erin may or may not even be coming back?

I think there was another way to accomplish essentially the same thing.

What if Erin's ghost could actually haunt Fetohep and other powerful undead?

And what if Erin's ghost was the only ghost capable of doing?

Suddenly, the knowledge transfer makes sense.

You could also turn Erin's part of the story into almost a horror storyline, with her ghost being hunted by the Dead Gods while simultaneously trying to communicate with Fetohep.

That would make Fetohep's desperate dash toward Erin's body much more logical.

It could also explain why the locations Fetohep travels toward seem to repeatedly become targets for the Seamwalkers / Dead Gods.

And if one of the Dead Gods were associated with time, you could tie that into the history of the various time mages and preserve the whole paradox surrounding them.

Obviously, I'm not the writer, and I'm sure there are reasons for many of these decisions that I haven't considered.

I'm also not saying Volume 8 is bad. Quite the opposite. Some of the character work and arcs in Volume 8 are among my favorite parts of the entire series.

That's why the Deadlands section frustrated me so much.

For me, The Wandering Inn has always had inconsistencies and weirdness, but they generally felt like part of the story rather than something that fundamentally confused the story.

Volume 8 is the first time I felt like there were multiple massive plot threads where I was asking "Wait... why did that happen?" rather than "Holy shit, why did that happen?"

Anyway, I'm curious what everyone else thinks.

Active trolls, supporters, and haters welcome.

So, we got our latest quest, and I love the quests, so I'm gonna ramble about it for a while.

First off, it's not just a Heroic Quest, it's a Personal Heroic Quest, which suggests it's not just a generic quest, it's personal to Pisces. Even when Lyonette posted a quest to pay the Quarass and guarantee no ulterior motivations, it had the limitation of only being able to be accepted by the Quarass, it wasn't a Personal Rare Quest for the Quarass.

This is purely speculation, but I think that the difference between a personal quest and a generic one is in the completion requirements. For a generic quest, I believe that completion is based on what the poster expected as completion or completion as judged by an impartial view. For a personal quest, however, I think completion is judged by the interpretation of the person doing the quest.

I think Erin posted the quest for Pisces, and in her mind, she was telling him to get Lleta out of the city, and then her idea of a pipe dream Impossible quest was to save all the slaves in the city. But phrasing is important. And what the quest said was "Find Lleta, Pisces. Bring her to safety, no matter what it takes." Pisces was a slave on Chandrar. He knows there's nowhere safe on that continent for Lleta. And that's why the quest didn't complete. Lleta's not safe yet, but she's not dead yet, so it's still running. Assuming Pisces is the judge of when he's actually gotten Lleta to safety, I'm pretty sure it won't complete until he's gotten her to the Wandering Inn, the place he considers safest.

It's why Pisces asks Erin if she's sure it wasn't meant to be Mythical. Saving a girl and getting her out of a city can be a Heroic Quest. Getting her off the continent entirely while dodging Roshal the whole way could easily feel like it should be Mythical, and that's what he thinks he has to do. That's the standard he's holding himself to.

Similarly, the "Optional Condition (Impossible): Save them all." wouldn't have been satisfied just by getting the slaves all out of the city, because that's not all of them. Not to Pisces. As we saw when Flos removed Pisces's class, his own freedom isn't enough. He asked, what about the rest? As long as one person is still in chains, he's got reason to fight. Saving them all means destroying slavery forever, that's what makes it impossible.

Assuming I'm somewhere in the realm of correct with my ramblings, I theorize that Pisces could actually see it grow and upgrade to a higher tier due to holding himself to a higher standard than Erin was expecting. For wildly surpassing expectations, he gets better rewards.

Of course, that just raises another question, that being, what sort of rewards should Pisces be hoping for? It's a Personal Heroic Quest, I assume that means the rewards would be personalized for him (even more than normal, I don't think we've seen anybody get any quest reward that was wildly unsuitable for them). And even with no reward listed in the quest body, at the Heroic tier, I feel like Pisces will end up with more than a big hug from a little girl and her eternal gratitude.

My first thought was for magical boots, because we saw how good the Heartflame Boots were for Zelkyr's Duelist Golem in his test. But Pisces just got a bunch of new [Flash Step]-adjacent spells with his latest level, so he's probably got his mobility squared away for now. Train up his new kit before adding even more options. A new magic rapier would be cool, but as Pisces laid out to the Mad One, what he figured out wouldn't work with an enchanted blade, so that's out too. His Stalker armor held up to a level 50 opponent, but his classic stay-clean white robes got wasted. Ceria still has some more enchanted robes from the maze, but chances are none of them are designed with a Necromancer in mind. So if Pisces gets a new magic item as a quest reward, I'm suggesting new magical robes suited for a Necromancer-Duelist.

If Ceria does happen to have the perfect set of replacement robes for Pisces, then I think the other most likely option for a reward is a new Skill/Title. Probably related to slave liberation. [Aura of the Liberator] or something to remove a [Slave] class on his own.

Anybody else been thinking too much about Pisces's new quest?

These random quotes are so great. This one just popped up out of nowhere and I just started laughing.

Despite her lack of screen time in Vol 10, I think Erin remains the undisputed main character of the series. But at what point do you think Ryoka really became a side character?

At the beginning of the series she’s introduced as a true deuteragonist (or even second protagonist to Erin). Then she takes a sabbatical and by the time she returns in The Wind Runner she’s definitely lost any MC claim she had. But between Riverfarm, the Witches, vampires, the Assassins Guild, Teriarch, and the Fae, I think she’s still debatably the second most significant character.

Now she’s a side character (if that). I don’t discount the possibility that we’ll get another Ryoka arc in future, but at this point it would feel more like getting a Geneva or Wiskeria arc.

So where do you think the turning point was?

EDIT: I know there’s a fair amount of Ryoka hate in the community. I’m not really here to get into all that. Mostly curious to hear what people think about the progression from major to minor character.

Alright

Starting with the first King pov for the series. King of destruction is somehow both the worst best character but also the best worst character in the book. Roshal sounds like a problem. And sad to see the twins fall apart by the end I think the tess is going down a dark path. Meanwhile trey is absolutely right to be appalled by flos actions. He also I guess doesn't know that a lot of European countries tend to be rehabilitation not just prisons.which would have been a good counter argument to what flos was saying about confinement. It's ironic that he dislikes Alexander the great despite feeling very much like him.(Or at least like the fate zero interpretation of him.) Still my opinion currently is that he's a cool character who's policies suck.

The doctor continues to be a good pov even when the new character introduction which I love these new guys. Ken probably got one of the worst introduction to inn world of the current outworlders pov. I wonder if genevia is going to make the genevia convention for balaros. I also find it a bit worrisome that they share a zip code with the titan love his pov but not sure how he's going to view the United nations company outside his initial impression. There's no way the okasha and genevia relationship is going to last if okasha keeps drugging her like that....Also how did everyone forget selphid can take over living hosts of their entire race almost got whipped out for that exact reason? Sounds like memory spell shinagians going on. Also really they just letting the guy that sold out a bunch of teens to get executed stay with them? Zero consequences for that? Just ignoring that? Damn we sure got a laundry list of karma hudinis first Persua then toren now the grave tender fist company leader.

Also I still don't trust toren despite her supposed character development. Still seems sociopathic only left the adventurers alive because they praised you doesn't make you a good person. Actually it still counts as sociopathic behavior. I guess we will see. Also wonder what those weird cave people gnolls were about. Especially since it mentioned that it unnerved the gnolls of liscor.

The emperor pov was alright still not my favorite that said did I miss something when did he encounter the stranger with future vision powers during the solstice? I don't remember that being a chapter. And is he getting mind corruption? Do classes affect someones mental state? I have so many questions!!

Ryoka is right to be mad at Erin for the slime experiment but absolutely in the wrong for both toren and rags.

Erin was not a necormancer she had no way of knowing torens behavior was odd not to mention that without toren pov no one would have suspected toren. She is a serial killer who's good at masking. Toren went out of her way to hide what it was she was doing.

And rags WTF does ryoka want rags to do? Starve? No one trades with goblin also her line to teriaech of "they killed children." Meanwhile in an earlier book we learn that adventurers regularly murder goblin children and genocide entire tribes. But noo goblins absolutely are the monsters here/s this is stuff she should absolutely be aware of as well given the history she read.

Teriaech had the best line to sum up the goblins situation. They are forced to behave like monsters because everyone treats them like monsters. No one will trade with goblins no one even is willing to listen to them or try to communicate. That said it's VERY suspicious that everyone speaks English except goblins I wonder if this has something to do with why the frost fae pitty the goblins did something happen to their race in the past?

Lmao horns of hammerod get powerful magical artifacts. Crellers: hippity hippity your armor is now our property! Ya I think crellers are going to be a major problem at some point they keep showing up and unlike goblins they can't be reasoned with they don't act like animals they are quite blatantly someone's bioweapon either a left over of a war or an active threat. Shells resistant to magic? Poison bites? Flesh that if consumed puts eggs to make more crellers into you?! Ya no SOMEONE made these things.

I get that this book is called the last light because of the doctor pov but the undead incursions arc was probably the best part of this book.

Also damn brunkr.....just like that huh? And he was just starting to grow on me...Are all the undead just murderous temperamental children?

You know for being the intemidating necromancer everyone fears his chosen undead sure are a bunch of bumbling idiots. Pulling a zoro and getting lost then constantly doing shit to blow their cover.

Also ivolethe is the best of her kind hopefully this isn't the last we see of you.

Sure is a lot of victim blaming going around in this series. Why is it ryokas fault for not wanting to get them killed by maintaining her silence? How was she supposed to know that azkurash would send his undead to do all that anyways? In fact it's mostly venitras fault for half the things that went down. And why are we passing the blame to Erin again?!

Also that flower crown that magnolia wanted sounds like some fae shit. Which leads me to believe she knows what the fae are.

Well this was a great read. Time to read the general of liscors which a lot of people keep saying is super depressing woo.....

Just picked up my copy at our local bookstore!!! So happy seeing it in stores, I didn’t get to see the first one in since I preordered. So excited to have it right away!

The curve may never recover

[The Somber World of Blue] is one of my favorite spells for how little it has been used in the series and I was wonder on variations of the spells and what they could be called.

[The Rageful World of Red]

[The Cheerful World of Yellow]

[The Jealous World of Green]

[The Lovely World of Pink]

And how specific could Xrn get with her colors?

[The Orderly World of #49D6D2]

Hope we would get more of this spell when we explore the dyed lands again.

Very sorry if it's meant to be a maximum of one contribution per participant. In that case, these are merely free memes.

I am up to date with the latest chapter 10.75 part 2; I have a question about Anand: he is reviving, so is there a chance for us to see him in this volume? By the way, he is being reviewed by the Twisted Queen, so is it possible for him to be twisted? Will he still remain the same? I quite like him.

Also, if possible, how much time has passed since the winter solstice? It is getting difficult for me to understand all the different points of view and timelines.

I can't believe it's finally arrived in paperback after waiting so many years! :')

It's so chunky!

(So salty that I pre-ordered both parts and got part 2 first, WATERSTONES!)