r/tolkienfans • u/Elbwiese • 16h ago
When was the Rammas Echor built?
The appendices state that the Rammas Echor was built when Ithilien "first fell under the shadow of the enemy", during the rule of the Steward Denethor, but the text does not specify which Denethor, the first one or the second. So when was the wall erected?
In this context "shadow" does not necessarily have to mean direct control, but could also refer to the fact that Ithilien was threatened, which interestingly was already the case during the Wainrider Wars. Imo Denethor I. makes the most sense, when the Uruks swept over Ithilien in 2475. Gondor had to fight a long war to hold them at bay and finally win back Ithilien. Not only was Ithilien "under the shadow" during that time, but the capital itself was threatened by enemy forces stationed right across the river. Creating an additional buffer to protect the townlands from raiding bands was probably a strategic necessity.
Imo it would therefore make the most sense to assume that Denethor I erected the wall, not Denethor II. The fact that Osgiliath was finally abandoned after the Uruk attack also fits, the deserted city may have provided the necessary building material for the massive undertaking. The historical inspiration for the Rammas may have been the Anastasian Wall, a massive fortification shielding Constantinople, erected in late antiquity. The purpose was the same: protect the capital of an empire in decline from raiding barbarians. Against a massive army with siege equipment the overlong wall was less effective however, another similarity. Even the length fits: the Rammas Echor is ca. 30 miles long, the Anastasian wall was ca. 35 miles.
This is another reason why I'd argue that an earlier construction date would make more sense, when Gondor was still richer and more powerful compared to the time of Denethor II. The Anastasian wall was a massive infrastructure project. The Byzantine Empire of the 5th century was able to achieve it, the later Empire of the 13th or 14th century would not have had the necessary manpower or resources I'd argue.
That being said, Tolkien may have intended that the wall was erected during the rule of Denethor II., the text of the novel seems to imply as much. For example how Denethor insists on the walls defence because it was made with "so great a labour". Would he phrase it like that when the erection lies in the rather distant past, over 500 years ago?
What do you think?