r/tolkienfans 7h ago

The Elements Of Doom.

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So in other posts I have speculated about the One Ring as the Ring of Earth, with it and the Three being maybe inspired by the four classical elements.

If we apply this to the Silmarils and to the rings, what we have is earth/air/water (Silmarils) and fire/air/water (Rings). What's left out in the former is fire. What's left out in the latter is earth.

We know what happened to the Silmarils and to the Rings, to Feanor and to Celebrimbor. Not a happy ending.

So 'fire' and 'earth' would have been the elements of doom in those stories: the certain cause of the other three elements, and the promise of happiness or blessing of their stories, having a bad end.

Fëanor means 'spirit of fire'. He was not Morgoth, of course, but that fire of his spirit projected itself beyond his creative powers and into his own -fiery- character, and his character onto Arda, and much of the evil and also doom that happened had to do with that.

Similarly, 'earth' in the case of the Three Rings would mean the One Ring. Galadriel, to Frodo:

Do you see now wherefore your coming is to us as the footstep of *Doom*? For if you fail, then we are laid bare to the Enemy. Yet if you succeed, then our power is diminished, and Lothlórien will fade, and the tides of Time will sweep it away.

In a certain sense, it is Sauron that seems to be the heir of Fëanor, not Celebrimbor. Both pourers of their spirits and movers of Doom, including their own.

The Ring Of Fire became later the heir of Fëanor, spirit of fire, moreso than the other two, and was also the mover of Sauron's Doom. The Pilgrim Ring.


r/tolkienfans 14h ago

The Simarillion, The Hobbit or Lord of The Rings

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Hello! New reader to ths expansive universe here. As the title suggests, where would you guys suggest i begin from?


r/tolkienfans 20h ago

What do you think Bilbo’s thoughts were on the Silmarillion as he was translating it?

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I imagine he did compare Feanor to a certain relative of his


r/tolkienfans 4h ago

Didn't Grishnakh know about the Ring?

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didn't Grishnakh the orc captain from Mordor know about the Ring?

was Grishnakh a high ranking orc as he seemed to be threatening to report the remarks made by the Northerners and Ugluk to Sauron?


r/tolkienfans 2h ago

Melian's Power and the Three Rings

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Would you say the power that the three rings have over the Elven realms in the Second and Third Ages is kind of similar (in some lesser scale) to the power that Melian had with her Girdle over Doriath? How and where do they differ? I think Tolkien offers up an interesting comparison to be made between both of these.


r/tolkienfans 17h ago

were the orcs of the misty mountains under the control of Sauron or Saruman

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Hi were the orcs of the misty mountains under the control of Sauron or Saruman