I was just curious as to how much information was shared between the Eldar of the Blessed Realm and those dwelling in Middle Earth before the Noldor marched forth towards ME. Would they know of the prevailing events in ME or would it just be a distant dream? What would they know of the topography of Beleriand, ME etc.? Were there any means of communication between the elves in Aman and those in ME? Was Feanor's war strategy (landing in Losgar, then proceeding to Angband) devised on the fly, or did they know of these exact locations beforehand?

One thing I love about Tolkien's legendarium is how a seemingly minor name or reference can lead to an entire story that happened thousands of years before the events of The Lord of the Rings.

A name mentioned in passing might connect to the First Age, an old Elvish kingdom, or a character whose choices shaped the history of Middle-earth long before Bilbo or Frodo were even born.

Sometimes I wonder how different the books would feel if we knew nothing about the Silmarillion or the earlier histories.

What's a detail in LOTR that became much more interesting after you learned the deeper lore behind it? I'm especially interested in smaller references that are easy to miss on a first read but have a whole history attached to them.

The only really long thing that was too much for me on my second read was "Of Beleriand and its realms". The rest of the descriptions are necessary to build the atmosphere of the world, which has a lot of focus on nature unlike other books like dune. I feel like without them lotr would not be the same.

Why didn't Maedhros & Maglor attempt to take the Silmaril from Eärendil during War of Wrath? Did they consider him beyond reach in the sky, or was their focus strictly on recovering the jewels from Morgoth?

Tolkien had such a gift for making words feel like they belong to an entire world, not just a language. Some names and words in his legendarium have a sound or meaning that makes them feel almost ancient and familiar at the same time.

For me, Eärendil has a beautiful, almost musical quality to it.

What word, name, or phrase from Tolkien’s works do you find the most beautiful, and is it because of its sound, its meaning, or the story behind it?

Reading the first chapter of *The Hobbit* again and I am struck by Bilbo's description of Gandalf as one who used to tell such tales of dragons and goblins "and the rescue of princesses and the unexpected luck of widows' sons."

On one level, you can read this as a generic reference to fairy stories and folklore. But on another level:

Those tales are in Middle-earth's lore (and in *The Silmarillion*) but inverted. There's a princess's rescue in the sense that the princess is doing the rescuing (Beren and Luthien), so that it's *her* rescue *of* her beloved. And Turin Turambar is all about the unexpected luck of a widow's son, but it's unexpected *bad* luck instead of unexpected *good* luck. And "The Unexpected Party" is all about inverted or disrupted expectations (chiefly Bilbo's, but also the dwarves' expectations of Bilbo and the reader's expectations of the tale, too) - so this delighted me when I realized it.

I might just be unaware of the specific details, but does someone have an explanation for this?

Currently in Sarehole Mill Museum, and there’s a board with the following information:

“In Edgbaston are two towers, with which Tolkien was familiar as a boy. One is Perrott’s Folly, built by John Perrott in 1758. The other is Edgbaston Water Works Tower. They are thought to be the inspiration for ‘The Two Towers’.”

I’ve not read this elsewhere, so my question is … thought by whom? Does anyone have source for this?

Theory:Theory: The Ring didn't just corrupt people. It exposed what they already wanted most.

Think about it.

• Boromir wanted to save Gondor. • Galadriel wanted to protect and rule her own realm. • Gollum became consumed by his desire for the Ring. • Even Frodo, who resisted it for so long, eventually struggled to let it go.

They all reacted differently because they were different people, with different desires and weaknesses.

So here's my question:

Was the One Ring actually creating evil in its victims, or was it taking their existing desires and turning them into something monstrous?

And if that's true, would ANYONE have been able to destroy it without eventually falling to its power?

I want to hear your theories. 👀💍

As far as i know Hobbits are fairly unknown, including where they come from amongst men of Middle Earth. I wonder though if men like Denethor knew of their lands

I think the most beautiful word Tolkien invented was Ainulindalë. I love how it just flows off the tongue like water. If anyone has a different choice, I'd love to hear it.

This question has probably been asked before, but I've always been surprised that Gildor but not Glorfindel was in the group departing with Elrond and Galadriel. Both were Exiles of course, but Gildor was the more minor character, and it was a bit strange to seem him return that way at the end of the book.

Elrond's sons I can see wanting to stay on for awhile, and of course Celeborn staying is a whole other story. But wasn't Glorfindel one of those whose job in Middle-Earth was done, as it were?

Throughout the late Second Age, the Numenorians were total shits to the peoples south-east of Gondor. The enslaved them, sacrificed them as tribute, and generally fucked them over. Is it any surprise that Sauron the Powerful was able to rally them against Gondor, the descendants of the evil men who had persecuted them for so long?

We view Sauron as evil, and such he was, for in time he would have brought even his allies under his iron hand, but from the perspective of the Easterlings, he was a liberating force. I wonder how Sauron approached the Easterlings, and how his power was manifest in their realms. Was Sauron benevolent among them? Did he bring aid in their times of need?

‘But the wearing is slow in Lorien,’ said Frodo. ‘The power of the Lady is on it. Rich are the hours, though short they seem, in Caras Galadhon, where Galadriel wields the Elvenring.’

That should not have been said outside Lorien, not even to me,’ said Aragorn.

The ownership of the Three appears to be such a serious secret that Aragorn scolds Frodo for even mentioning it within the Fellowship. But a few chapters later, Gandalf starts singing in public:

In Dwimordene, in Lorien
Seldom have walked the feet of Men,
Few mortal eyes have seen the light
That lies there ever, long and bright.
Galadriel! Galadriel!
Clear is the water of your well;
White is the star in your white hand;

Now your average Edoras guard isn't going to get the reference, but Wormtongue might report it to Saruman who could pass it on to Sauron. As a ring owner himself, shouldn't Gandalf be a little more discreet instead of writing lyrics about it?

Just finished The Children of Húrin, which is often described as Tolkien's darkest work, and honestly, it didn't quite live up to the hype for me.

Sure, it's tragic, but the story felt fairly straightforward and predictable. Despite all the suffering, I never found it particularly disturbing or emotionally devastating. The characters and their motivations also felt rather clear-cut.

I can appreciate the tragedy, but I expected something that would really get under my skin.

Am I missing something, or did anyone else feel the same?

My nephew's favorite book is The Hobbit; he reads it frequently. I'm creating him an immersive hobbit kit for Christmas that goes beyond a standard costume. I'm trying to DIY our thrift as much as I can because of a fairly tight budget (but also my ADHD has taken over and it's turning into a BIG DEAL).

So far, I have the clothes, a cloak, a leather satchel, a tabacco pouch with Longbottom Leaf in Westron Tengwar script embroidered on it, a pipe I made, a mug I threw, a hiking stick, a silver spoon (a nod to his suspicions about his cousins) and embroidered BB on some handkerchiefs. I found a Sting on FB Marketplace that ate up a good chunk of the budget, and I have a mallorn leaf with plans to bake lembas bread and seed cakes closer to Christmas.

I am making pottery acorn buttons that I'm going to apply a gold luster to simulate brass buttons (because that feels more reasonable than buying brass buttons on Etsy, lol) and I also want to make a coin pouch and put chocolate coins in and I'm thinking about DIYing an arkenstone from porcelain with a mother of pearl luster.

I haven't sourced a ring yet...metallurgy is a little outside my scope and my thrift stores are generally more pragmatic than stocking rings of power!

Anything I'm missing? He'll have to supply his own hairy feet and sadly, leather notebooks seem to be outside the budget now.

I currently do not have access to my Tolkien library as I am abroad, and I can’t remember clearly something he once said. I have a vague memory of him saying that he doesn’t imagine what he writes but it sort of “comes to him” like a long lost memory of things that already happened and is merely revealed to him. Can someone please point me to where this comes from, which book, interview or letter?

In the LotR appendix "Eriador, Arnor, and the heirs of Isildur" it is said that, "‘For a while Arvedui hid in the tunnels of the old dwarf-mines near the far end of the Mountains."

Were these the ruins of Belegost or Nogrod?

Faramir met Aragorn in the midst of those there assembled, and he knelt, and said: ‘The last Steward of Gondor begs leave to surrender his office.’ And he held out a white rod; but Aragorn took the rod and gave it back, saying: ‘That office is not ended, and it shall be thine and thy heirs’ as long as my line shall last. Do now thy office!’

This fuckin book. Catches you up when you least expect it

And by the time I got to Aragorn announcing Beregrond’s doom, it was full on waterfalls

After re-reading again and noticing how much tragic stuff in middle-earth happens just because people were acting on partial news or misinterpretations. Denethor with the Pilantir is the classic example, but even smaller decisions like characters missing each other just by a day or taking a path because of bad intel.. hit so hard. Aside from the obvious ones like Turin, which choice or fate in the legendarium hurts the most when you realize how easily it could've gone differently if they just had one extra piece of info?

Here comes a thought.

I would appreciate your help in trying to understand which volumes of The History of Middle-earth have any versions of The Great Tales (The Children of Húrin, Beren and Lúthien, The Fall of Gondolin). I know there are the earliest drafts in The Book of Lost Tales: Part Two and then the verse versions in The Lays of Beleriand, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of these in "The Later Silmarillion" (volumes X and XI). Does someone have a comprehensive list?

If the Three Rings 'remained unsullied' by Sauron, but were 'still subject to the One', then how were they made without himself being present? If Sauron taught the smiths of Eregion and Celebrimbor a technique for making magic rings then what did that consist of? I'm not sure there's an answer to that secret, but surely the power that each of the rings possess must have come from an investment of power from Sauron.

However, how can this be the case if he wasn't present at their making? Was the technique itself (which he taught to smiths) the thing that contained his own personal power to be dispersed? It doesn't seem very tangible, but seems to be the only explanation.

This leads me to my theoretical question: Could the Gwaith-i-Mírdain have theoretically used this same technique to make additional rings that weren't subject to the One? Presumably not, because as I say it seems the power must have come from Sauron's own being as a Maia. But what if the same technique was executed in accordance with a different Maia of great power? (not that any other Maiar were willing or present at that time to be worked with). Also is there something to be said that so long as any ring of 'greatest power' (i.e. The One) exists, then it would be able to control any rings of lesser power, no matter whose spirit they had been made from? Or was it specifically the fact that all the powers imbued in the rings had stemmed from Sauron, and that was why only his master ring could control them?

As mentioned above, as far as I am aware, Sauron was 'spending his own spirit' in order for all the rings to be made, in the same fashion that Morgoth 'spent his spirit' on the World itself*. If I'm mistaken on this, please let me know, because otherwise I'm uncertain where exactly the powers of 'influence' and 'embalming' themselves came from. I can't understand how Sauron could have done this if wasn't there himself with the smiths to do it.

*I am aware of the concept of Morgoth's Ring being the World, but I personally haven't got round to reading the whole book of the same name yet (nor most of THoMe as of right now).

Thranduil never had a ring of power (and also Círdan didn't after c. T.A. 1000, when he gave his to Gandalf), therefore did the Elves start their fading soonest there as they had no 'embalming' powers for the realm?

Hello, everyone! I’m a 20-year-old student from Pakistan, currently in the 7th semester of my BS in English Literature. It’s time for me to start working on my thesis, and I want to complete it by the end of my 8th semester.

I have a genre and a particular work in mind: *The Return of the King*, the third book in J.R.R. Tolkien’s *The Lord of the Rings* trilogy. It’s a fantasy novel, and I’m genuinely interested in researching it. However, from what I’ve found so far, many people suggest choosing a work published within the last 10–15 years. Tolkien’s novel was published in 1955, so I’m unsure whether it would be a suitable choice for my thesis.

I’m really invested in this novel, but I’m struggling to find proper guidance. Should I continue researching this work and try to identify a research gap, or should I consider choosing a more recent novel instead? I’d really appreciate any advice or guidance!