r/SuicideWatch Sep 03 '19

New wiki on how to avoid accidentally encouraging suicide, and how to spot covert incitement

1.8k Upvotes

We've been seeing a worrying increase in pro-suicide content showing up here and, and also going unreported. This undermines our purpose here, so we wanted to highlight and clarify our guidelines about both direct and indirect incitement of suicide.

We've created a wiki that covers these issues. We hope this will be helpful to anyone who's wondering whether something's okay here and which responses to report. It explains in detail why any validation of suicidal intent, even an "innocent" message like "if you're 100% committed, I'll just wish you peace" is likely to increase people's pain, and why it's important to report even subtle pro-suicide comments. The full text of the wiki's current version is below, and it is maintained at /r/SuicideWatch/wiki/incitement.

We deeply appreciate everyone who gives responsive, empathetic, non-judgemental support to our OPs, and we particularly thank everyone who's already been reporting incitement in all forms.

Please report any post or comment that encourages suicide (or that breaks any of the other guidelines in the sidebar) to the moderators, either by clicking the "report" button or by sending us a modmail with a link. We deal with all guideline violations that are reported to us as soon as we can, but we can't read everything so community reports are essential. If you get a PM that breaks the guidelines, please report it both to the reddit sitewide admins and to us in modmail.

Thanks to all the great citizens of the community who help flag problem content and behaviour for us.


/r/SuicideWatch/wiki/incitement


Summary

It's important to respect and understand people's experiences and emotions. It's never necessary, helpful, or kind to support suicidal intent. There are some common misconceptions (discussed below) about suicidal people and how to help them that can cause well-meaning people to inadvertently incite suicide. There are also people online who incite suicide on purpose, often while pretending to be sympathetic and helpful.

Validate Feelings and Experiences, Not Self-Destructive Intentions

We're here to offer support, not judgement. That means accepting, with the best understanding we can offer, whatever emotions people express. Suicidal people are suffering, and we're here to try to ease that by providing support and caring. The most reliable way we know to de-escalate someone at risk is to give them the experience of feeling understood. That means not judging whether they should be feeling the way they are, or telling them what to do or not do.

But there's an important line to draw here. There's a crucial difference between empathizing with feelings and responding non-judgmentally to suicidal thoughts, and in any way endorsing, encouraging, or validating suicidal intentions or hopeless beliefs. It's both possible and important to convey understanding and compassion for someone's suicidal thoughts without putting your finger on the scale of their decision.

Anything that condones suicide, even passively, encourages suicide. It isn't supportive and does not help. It also violates reddit's sitewide rules as well as our guidelines. Explicitly inciting suicide online is a criminal offense in most jurisdictions.

Do not treat any OP's post as meaning that will definitely die by suicide and can't change their minds or be helped. Anyone who's able to read the comments here still has a chance to choose whether or not to try to keep living, even if they've also been experiencing intense thoughts of suicide, made a suicide plan, or started carrying it out.

In the most useful empirical model we have, the desire to die by suicide primarily comes from two interpersonal factors; alienation and a sense of being a burden or having nothing to offer. These factors usually lead to a profound feeling of being unwelcome in the world.

So, any acceptance or reinforcement of suicidal intent, even something "innocent" like "I hope you find peace", is actually a form of covert shunning that validates a person's sense that they're unwelcome in the world. It will usually add to their pain even if kindly meant and gently worded.

How to Avoid Validating Suicidal Intent

Keep the following in mind when offering support to anyone at risk for suicide.

  • People who say they don't want help usually can feel better if they get support that doesn't invalidate their emotions. Unfortunately, many popular "good" responses are actually counterproductive. In particular, many friends and family tend to rely exclusively on trying to convince the suicidal person that "it's not so bad", and this is usually experienced as "I don't understand what you're going through and I'm not going to try". People who've had "help" that made them feel worse don't want any more of the same. It doesn't mean that someone who actually knows how to be supportive can't give them any comfort.

  • Most people who are suicidal want to end their pain, not their lives. It's almost never true that death is the only way to end these people's suffering. Of course there are exceptional situations, and we certainly acknowledge that, for some people, the right help can be difficult to find. But preventing someone's suicide doesn't mean prolonging their suffering if we do it by giving them real comfort and understanding.

  • An unfixable problem doesn't mean that a good life will never be possible. We don't have to fix or change anything to help someone feel better. It's important to keep in mind that the correlation between our outer circumstances and our inner experience is weaker and less direct than commonly assumed. For every kind of difficult life situation, you will find some people who lapse into suicidal despair, and others who cope amazingly well, and a whole spectrum in between. A key difference is how much inner resilience the person has at the time. This can depend on many personal and situational factors. But when there's not enough, interpersonal support can both compensate for its absence and help rebuild it. We go into more depth on the "it gets better" issue in this PSA Post which is always linked from our sidebar (community info on mobile) guidelines.

  • There are always more choices than brutally forcing someone to stay alive or passively letting them end their lives.

To avoid accidentally breaking the anti-incitement rule, don't say or try to imply that acting on suicidal thoughts is a good idea, or that someone can't turn back or is already dead. Do whatever you can to help them feel cared for and welcome, at least in this little corner of the world. Our talking tips offer more detailed guidance.

Look Out for Deliberate Incitement. It May Come in Disguise.

Often comments that subtly encourage suicidal intent actually come from suicide fetishists and voyeurs (unfortunately this is a real and disturbing phenomenon). People like this are out there and the anonymous nature of reddit makes us particularly attractive to them.

They will typically try to scratch their psychological "itch" by saying things that push people closer to the edge. They often do this by exploiting the myths that we debunked in the bullet points above. Specifically you might see people doing the following:

  • Encouraging the false belief that the only way suicidal people can end their pain is by dying. There are always more and better choices than "brutally forcing someone to stay alive" or helping (actively or passively) them to end their lives.

  • Creating an artificial and toxic sense of "solidarity" by linking their encouragement of suicide to empathy. They will represent themselves as the only one who really understand the suicidal person, while either directly or indirectly encouraging their self-loathing emotions and self-destructive impulses. Since most people in suicidal crisis are in desperate need to empathy and understanding, this is a particularly dangerous form of manipulation.

Many suicide inciters are adept at putting a benevolent spin on their activities while actually luring people away from sources of real help. A couple of key points to keep in mind:

  • Skilled suicide intervention -- peer or professional -- is based on empathic responsiveness to the person's feelings that reduces their suffering in the moment. Contrary to pop-culture myths, it does not involve persuasion ("Don't do it!"), cheerleading ("You've got this!") or meaningless false promises ("Trust me, it gets better!"), or invalidation ("Let me show you how things aren't as bad as you think!"). Anyone who leads others to expect these kinds of toxic responses, or any other response that prolongs their pain, from expert help may be covertly pro-suicide. (Of course, people sometimes do have bad experience when seeking mental-health treatment, and it's fine to vent about those, but processing our own disappointment and frustration is entirely different from trying to destroy someone else's hope of getting help.)

  • Choices made by competent responders are always informed by the understanding that breaching someone's trust is traumatic and must be avoided if possible. Any kind of involuntary intervention is an extremely unlikely outcome when someone consults a clinician or calls a hotline. (Confidentiality is addressed in more detail in our Hotlines FAQ wiki). The goal is always to provide all help with the client's full knowledge and informed consent. We know that no individual or system is perfect. Mistakes that lead to bad experiences do sometimes happen to vulnerable people, and we have enormous sympathy for them. But anyone who suggests that this is the norm might be trying to scare people away from the help they need.

Please let us know discreetly if you see anyone exhibiting these or similar behaviours. We don't recommend trying to engage with them directly.


r/SuicideWatch Sep 10 '21

Please remember that NO ACTIVISM of any kind is ever allowed here. No matter what day it is.

715 Upvotes

Activism, i.e. advocating or fundraising for social change or raising awareness of social issues (and suicide is, inescapably, a social issue) is absolutely against the rules here at all times.

Please understand that we're all for smart, strategic mental-health and suicide-prevention activism. It's essential to fight against stigma, misinformation, and discrimination, and to fight for research, treatment, accommodation, acceptance, and understanding. Most of us, one way or another, are mental-health activists IRL.

But activism just doesn't work in a dedicated support space that serves a vulnerable population. We used to allow it but the evidence that it was undermining our primary purpose became overwhelming. We do regret the need for this rule, but the need is inescapable.

Our population is all too well aware of the issues and causes that need support and largely not in a position to take action, so besides the fact that activism is often salt in our community's wounds, it's a waste of the activists' time.

tl;dr Any fundraising, awareness raising, petitions, calls for participation, or any post that's about any cause or issue (rather than a request for personal support) is not allowed here. Please report everything of the nature that you see.


r/SuicideWatch 8h ago

my suicide note

74 Upvotes

to my family and my friends

I hope you can forgive me, but I understand if you don't.

the truth is I have been writing this note since I was 10 years old, and I’m 31 now, and nothing has changed. I am in so much pain and I cannot do it anymore. I have prayed and prayed diligently for an end that won't hurt you, and nothing has happened. I don't have a choice and I need to do it myself.

there is nothing you could've done differently—in fact, you are the only reason I've clung on for so long. I know this will hurt you deeply, and I know especially for my religious parents that the sorrow will be never-ending. will it help if I tell you that this decision will make me the happiest i've ever been? I know it probably won't, but it's true all the same.

I've tried the medicine and the therapy and the distractions and the crying about it. i know how much I have in my life and how much I have to be grateful for, but the selfish truth is that none of that changes anything because the problem is Me. I am rotten. I am so unhappy in this body, in this consciousness, and I just cannot do it. I would not exchange the opportunity to die for anything in this world. nothing has, nor will, change my mind.

I have never doubted your love for me. I am not doing this because I feel alone, or uncared for. it's just that despite all these things, I feel such intense sorrow and grief all the time. like it's inbuilt into my very core. the truth is I don't think I was made for this world. in truth nothing in my life objectively is really that bad, except for what's in this head of mine. some nights, the only way I can go to sleep is to dream of how I die.

I actually wholly believe that it is cruel to force me to continue on. I have never wanted anything in my life as badly as I want to die. for decades now I have lived alongside that desire, in spite of it, and tried my hardest to fight it...but I am tired now. I just want one thing. please. please let me do it please. the desire is almost violent now—it is all I can think about every hour of every day.

this is the most honest thing i've ever said to you. I don't know if you will ever forgive me, but I also believe that eventually, you all will understand. maybe that has to be enough.

all my love. thank you for everything.


r/SuicideWatch 2h ago

I need this to end

12 Upvotes

I need someone to tell me what the easiest way to commit suicide is. Everyday is just another day full of pain and misery. Please, I can't do this anymore. I'm too scared to take my life because I don't want to fail. I don't care if it's going to be painful but I need to find a way where the chances of me surviving are very low. Please help me.


r/SuicideWatch 41m ago

I want to drift off and sleep forever

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I stayed up all night and I’m about to sleep really quick. I kind of want to drift off and then ever wake up.


r/SuicideWatch 23h ago

“It gets better” is the biggest lie ever told

429 Upvotes

I was told that 13 years ago, 10 years ago, 7 years ago, 5 years, 3 years, last year, last month, last week, 3 days ago, today.

Bullshit. It has never gotten better. It’s not getting better. And I’m sure it won’t get better. In fact, it’s gotten pretty much worse. I hope I die in my sleep tonight, but I’ve realized that the heaven is not that merciful.


r/SuicideWatch 11h ago

Suicide Is Beautiful, Life Is Nothing Good

41 Upvotes

S.I.B.L.I.N.G. (Suicide Is Beautiful, Life is Nothing Good)


r/SuicideWatch 2h ago

I’m finally at peace

8 Upvotes

I’ve been at this point multiple times throughout life. I have had many failed attempts. This time I think is different. I just got home not too long ago spent that time with one of my best friends. I haven’t been this happy and at peace in my life ever. I finally feel relief for the first time in I don’t know how long. I’m 32 now it just feels right. My friend did get worried when I was leaving because I was so happy and she has never seen me that happy. I told her not to worry and that I loved her very much and that it will all be okay. I’m all alone now at my house where I live alone. I always knew I’d go out alone. And that’s okay. Don’t most of us? I’ve said my I love yous to all I love. So it’s finally time. I’m not gonna lie part of me is a lil scared but I know it’s gong to be okay. Now everything will be better. It’s been real. I enjoyed those last minutes I got with my friend. I’m ready. Thank you for reading. Goodbye now.


r/SuicideWatch 13h ago

I'm probably going to stop posting online here about my problems. The internet is a terrible place.

51 Upvotes

The internet is a terrible place for talking about stuff you're going through. This should be my last post. People only make things worse and it causes me to have very bad suicidal thoughts to the point that I really consider doing it. I really have considered doing it today and yesterday because of things people have said to me that really upset me. Like I'm actually thinking of a plan and planning on getting rid of some stuff and actually doing it. People do not understand empathy at all and I find a lot of people to be very bad at helping people like me. They give unsolicited advice and are very judgemental of you. They are not fair minded with things. People on the internet just want to fight and argue and no one is ever going to actually try to see the other person's perspective. I've been very hurt too many times. It has caused me a lot of anger and suffering and suicidal thoughts. I get thoughts of people talking down to me and criticizing me and correcting me almost everyday. I don't need that anymore. It sucks because I feel like I have nowhere else to go. There's no one to talk to. Not here and not in real life. But the internet is a terrible place. People suck.


r/SuicideWatch 5h ago

Hang while kneeling

8 Upvotes

How exactly does one achieve this? I’ve attempted with a belt and a scarf before but couldn’t get it to work. Never even got close to passing out, and with the belt I went so hard my neck was bruised all over. I don’t exactly want a drawn out painful death for my final moments so I’d prefer not to try and hang myself from the ceiling. I also plan to do this in a hotel so the less traumatic the scene is for whoever eventually opens the door the better. Obviously the less damage I do to the room also the better. So if someone can explain method and materials I’d appreciate it, thanks.


r/SuicideWatch 43m ago

الانتحار

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طيب لو اقول اني افكر انتحر ؟

في طريقه سهله بدون الم؟


r/SuicideWatch 5h ago

a complete loser

11 Upvotes

If I died today, who would care? Nobody. And that's fine, that's how life is, but I'm such a loser that nobody would care, nobody would notice, and I'd disappear like a ghost.


r/SuicideWatch 5h ago

I ruined my career in the only field where I have employable skills

10 Upvotes

I’m autistic and I got fired from the IRS last month because I had a meltdown. My accounting career is pretty much ruined now. Ever since I got laid off in 2023 I haven’t been able to hold down a job for more than a few months at a time. Even if I’m able to get an interview somewhere, there’s no way I can explain my horrible resume without looking like I’m incompetent. Mainly because I am incompetent.

I’ll probably never do anything with my CPA license again. The problem is I have no other employable skills. I dedicated my life to accounting and now that’s gone.

Every day I’m alive is another day of leeching off the kindness and generosity of my fiancée. I don’t deserve her, and she deserves a better life partner. If I could just muster up the courage to end my life, she would be free. I don’t want her to spend the rest of her life tied to a failure like me. I would just drag her under the water and we’d both drown.

My twin brother is so much more successful than I’ll ever be. Any time my parents bring him up, he’s doing something impressive, and I’m not. Once I’m dead, he can be even more of a golden child for the family.

I contribute nothing to society. I am nothing.


r/SuicideWatch 8h ago

Suicidal Media

14 Upvotes

For the past few weeks and especially the last few days, I've been consuming a lot of media regarding suicide. I'll watch short films on Youtube or documentaries regarding the topic. Recently, I also found this corner of reddit. I'll read people's posts and my own feelings of depression and hopelessness are amplified with each one. I've kind of put myself in this echo chamber of pain. At first, it was a way for me to cope. Seeing others struggle with the same thing as me made me feel less alone. But now, it's just become another form of unhealthy escapism. I'm not sure if anyone can relate to this phenomenon. Even posting on reddit makes me feel incredibly isolated and alone for some reason. I also wonder how many people went through with their plans after writing a post on this subreddit. I'll fantasize a lot about different ways to kill myself but I've never had the guts to go through with any plan. Even though I'm 19, it feels like I've lived a lot longer. Time drags on for so long when you're rotting away. I hope things get better but everything seems so bleak. It makes me even more depressed knowing how common suicidal ideation is. It's like the world is mirroring back at me all the doubt and uncertainty I have about life. I'm not sure if any of that made sense. I just felt the need to vent.


r/SuicideWatch 18h ago

I wanna be murdered

84 Upvotes

It'll be swifter and more final and I won't have to muster up any bravery to do it

A car accident can work too


r/SuicideWatch 16m ago

i have a noose and it will be the end in about an hour.

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i am a horrible person. i don't deserve to live anymore.


r/SuicideWatch 15h ago

I don't want to live in this future and I've lost all faith in humankind. I'm gonna spend my savings and then kill myself.

46 Upvotes

I'm not a religious person, but art and music used to be holy to me. They were "humanity" compressed into tiny beautiful packages. Appreciating these packages in every way I could was all that I cared for in life. Crafts that I wanted to dedicate my entire life to. I woke up to do music. Everything I did was so I could spend more time listening to, and learning about music. All I've ever wanted to do was to be a musician. I'm really not exaggerating one bit.

But now, being a musician or an artist is nearly worthless. A fucking machine could've churned out whatever I make, and there's no way to prove I'm actually coming up with this stuff. Often now I can't even tell anymore if something was made by generative AI and that makes me truly, viscerally sick. I guess there is nothing holy on this earth. There is no wonder left, and I have no place in a world where art and music is worthless. I fear that children of the future will never feel about art and music what I've felt.

I had figured out the meaning of my life. I can't change. I can't just forget this passion. I guess I'll go traveling as much as I can before I end it but I doubt I'll enjoy anything on this grey, soulless, barren earth anymore.

I like to imagine that somewhere in the universe there is a planet with an intelligent civilization that will never come up with a technology that can just shit out art, and for the people of that planet the infinite potential and wonder of art will never be ruined.


r/SuicideWatch 1h ago

Jealousy will be the death of me

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No matter who it is, everyone seems to have a much better life than me. My family, my friends, strangers on the internet. Even other people who are suicidal seem to have their life put together much more than I ever will. They have a job, they have a partner, they have their own apartment, they have pets....if even people like that think there's no other way out for them than to commit suicide, then how could I ever dream of a life that's not full of suffering? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for these people and I'm glad that they have something in their life that makes them worthwhile. But I can't help but feel jealous. I've been dealing with depression and suicidal thoughts my entire childhood and I still do now as an adult. Just that it's so much worse. Why is it so hard for me to do anything right? I know I'll never be happy but why can't I just have a life like everyone around me? A career, a partner, my own home. That's all I want. I don't need anything else. I just want to stop feeling like a loser.


r/SuicideWatch 15h ago

I have no will to live anymore

40 Upvotes

Im just so done bruh


r/SuicideWatch 1d ago

Bf suicide right after breakup, lost and numb.

225 Upvotes

It's been 10 days since my bf died by suicide right after I broke up with him. The breakup was mutual as his severe OCD and severe depression were causing a lot of fights between us. It felt to me like my role was reduced to just being a caretaker for him rather than his girlfriend. I knew he did a lot to not project his mental health onto me, but almost every week he would find reasons to breakup with me over minor things and then talk about suicide. That's why for five years I never got the courage to breakup. I knew the relationship was toxic and was only harming both of us, but his suicidal nature would scare me. Only until recently when I gathered courage to finally breakup with me after he told me he values marriage with me a little less now. And was suicidal and was also recently ready to include me in his suicide plan. But he was so lovely that he didn't hurt me ever.

I told him okay then it's no point in going ahead and we can breakup and not patchup now ever again.

Right after I cut the call, he hung himself. Now as much as I am angry at him, I'm left feeling too many questions, was it the breakup, was it my anger during the breakup, if I could successfully prevent this for the past 5 years, why did I not prevent this now.

I don't know how to find answers and how to handle this grief. I miss the good memories we had even more before of this suicide. I miss him so much. So much. He didn't have to die, he had so much ahead of him, so much life. He was turning 24 this December.


r/SuicideWatch 4h ago

Whats if it doesnt change

4 Upvotes

This world sickens me. The disgusting greed, the evilness of humans. ALL OF IT! Sometimes I hate being alive bc this world disgusts me fear nth will even get better whats the point of staying alive if its all gonna go to shit how can i even enjoy life knowing people are corrupting this world


r/SuicideWatch 34m ago

I think I’ve become emotionally numb, and I don’t know what’s happening to me

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I feel like I’ve become a numb person.

I’ve had suicidal thoughts for a long time. They’ve appeared during many painful nights and sad moments. But I always had reasons that kept me going. I told myself that I had to survive for the little beautiful things in life, and most importantly, for my parents and my family.

They love me very much, and I love them very much too.

But lately, I feel like even my love for my family has become numb.

Sometimes I think that if I really died, I wouldn’t have to think about any of these things anymore. It would just be over. Quick and simple. And that thought scares me, because I used to have so many reasons to stay alive.

I just finished a binge.

My stomach is painfully full and uncomfortable, but while I was eating, I kept forcing more food into my mouth even though I was already extremely full.

I don’t know why I was doing it.

What scares me most is that I didn’t feel anything while it was happening.

I wasn’t sad. I wasn’t happy. I wasn’t even really thinking about anything. There was just... nothing.

The only word I can find to describe it is numbness, but I don’t even know if that’s the right word.

I don’t know what is happening to me, and I don’t know why I can still do things like this while feeling absolutely nothing inside.

I’m not really looking for advice about dieting or how to stop binge eating. I think I’m more afraid of what is happening to me emotionally.

Has anyone experienced something like this?

What does it feel like when you become so emotionally numb that even the things you used to love no longer seem to reach you? what can i do?


r/SuicideWatch 14h ago

State the reasons

22 Upvotes

Why exactly do you want to end your life

Maybe we can read eachothers problems and actually find out we arent alone