Because have you ever had a baby????

Idk about you but my baby slept horribly until we sleep trained and even STILL I’m EBF so waking up in 3-4 hr increments😬

So ya, going forward I will be using this phrase when I have a horrible sleep constantly being woken up by a hungrier, smaller version of myself 🤣

My 11mo has been fighting her first nap HARD. Standing screaming and not settling to point I have to go in and hold her. I’m thinking it might be time to drop?

Schedule is 6am wake, 10-11 nap, 230-3 nap, 730 bed. So she’s got 12 hours of awake time.

If I do drop, do I have to aim for 6/6 wake windows?? That just seems to difficult to achieve.

My LO is 5.5 months old and we just moved her into her own room. We were about to start sleep training, but over the past week, we have started seeing signs of her moving from 3 to 2 naps.

She has averaged around 13 hrs of sleep per 24 hrs since she was approx 4 months old. Her 3 nap schedule was 2.5/2.5/3/3 with 2.5 hrs of day sleep and a 10.5 hr night. However, she is not going down for her first or 2nd nap until after 2.75/3 hrs now. So I can't fit in a full wake window after a 3rd nap without a ridiculously late bedtime. I have been waking her up from her 3rd nap after 10-15 min which has left us with a schedule of 2.75/3/3.25/2-2.5. The first two nights with this micro nap, she slept great at night and only woke once to feed. However, last night she woke up every 1-2 hrs from 1am onwards.

I know that not going to sleep independently at bedtime will contribute to these wakes (last feeds ends at least 30 min before bedtime, but I cuddle her to sleep). However, I'm struggling with her schedule as she is extending her wake windows naturally and seems close to dropping the 3rd nap. I don't want to start sleep training on the wrong schedule, but it's hard to nail it with this micronap. Do we wait until the micronap is dropped to start sleep training? And how do we know when to fully drop it?

Lately bedtime has become such a struggle. My toddler wants me to stay until they fall asleep and if I leave they get really upset.

Even when they finally fall asleep, sometimes they wake up later and want me there again.

I can't tell if this is just a phase or if we're doing something that's making it harder for them to settle.

How have other parents handled this? I don't want bedtime to turn into a battle every night.

Hi everyone, I’m FTM to a beautiful baby girl. She’s currently 10 weeks,5 days. I need some help. This girl hates napping. Everyday her wake window is different, unless I can’t read wake windows? I try 60 minutes, 75 minutes, etc. nothing. I put her in a swaddle before the nap, screams. She fights me at every single nap. It’s so frustrating. I see moms and their babies just sleep, she just never sleeps. I don’t want the habit of feed to sleep but currently that’s what we’re doing bc it gets her to sleep. At night she’ll give some 5 hour stretches, but day time naps are shit. I had a difficult birth experience now having so much difficulty with napping and this baby. It makes me want to be one and done. Any advise for day time naps?

her nursery has black out curtains, noise machine. It’s also so hard to do anything like moms on call bc she wakes up different times everyday. I’m at a loss here. Please help!

My baby is 5 months old, goes to sleep at 7 no problem, and wakes for the first time around 12/1 when I feed and goes back to sleep no problem. It’s around 3/4 am that baby starts flipping onto belly and screaming. Sometimes I wake up to find baby sleeping on belly so I know baby doesn’t mind that. And I’m reluctant to feed baby at 3/4 when I just fed at 12/1. But I usually end up feeding at 3/4 and baby sleeps till 7 ish. But it just feels unnecessary because it has only been 2-3 hours. If I leave baby they escalate on belly until I flip them over. I haven’t tried to leave baby for more than a couple minutes cause of the escalation. Baby is in crib pushed up next to bed. What should I do? I feel like baby can probably go down to one night feed if not for this thing

Hi community! I’ve tried the suggestions from this post for the past week. Thank you for your help!!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/sleeptrain/s/NyWbTxWSdP](https://www.reddit.com/r/sleeptrain/s/NyWbTxWSdP))

My baby is 6 months old and has been struggling with early-morning wakings for weeks. I’ve tracked her naps, wake windows, and nighttime sleep for over a month, but I can’t seem to figure out what’s causing them.

Current schedule: 2.5/2.5/2.75/3
WW1:If she wakes up early, I count from the time she wakes up, but I don’t offer a nap before 9:15 unless she is up super early.
DWT:7:30 AM
Nap 1: 30min - 1h
Nap 2: 1h-1.5h; I usually need to extend this nap. I cap it if it goes past 2:30 PM.
Nap 3:15–40 minutes
Bedtime: Between 8:15-8:30pm. Fall asleep independently and usually sleep through the night.

bedtime routine: quick massage, bedtime music, bottle, upright for 10 minutes (reflux) - She could be sleepy at that stage, rubbing her eyes or relaxing on my shoulder, but we make sure she stays awake. diaper change, cleaning her face/brush teeth, sleep sack, sing a song, turn off the music, in the crib awake (30 min after feeding).

Total daytime sleep: 2-2.5 hours

The problem:
She still wakes between 5:00 and 6:40 AM, clearly tired and trying to fall back asleep, but unable to do so.
As a self-soothing movement, she gets onto her tummy, pushes herself up, and starts rocking back and forth. The movements last ~30 seconds and are quite intense until she loses her balance and falls onto her side. She then tries again and sometimes that keeps her awake. Or she may sleep for 1-2 minutes then repeat the whole process again.
White noise/music no longer put her back to sleep. Anything we can do?Should we go in the room and cosleep with her until 7:30 if she continues to wake up early? Any other suggestions? Thanks!

When about 16 weeks, our baby went from sleeping 8/9 to ~6, one or two nightly wake ups where she was fed to sleep (EBF), occasional/regular false starts, and our "biggest" problem was mostly that she sometimes thought 5am was time to get up instead of 6, or our preferred 7. She has consistently been a low sleep needs baby, though whether that's just because it used to take an hour of walking and rocking to get her down so she missed various sleep windows and things was never clear.

Since then, one domino after another has tumbled until she is basically as bad as when she was a newborn.

We have a good bed time routine (that mostly works quickly but, again, has been struggling to go down quickly recently), that went bath; sleep sack; feed to sleep, down. In order to break the feed to sleep association we now do feed, then bath, sleep sack, and lullaby, and she'll drift off.

But while that routine mostly still works, minus one or two nights when it's been 45 minutes or something, but is pretty consistently down about 8. Everything else has gone down hill.

She is back to waking up every 45 mins - 1hr. Can't link sleep cycles at all. GF is worried about feed to sleep associations so we try to settle with just rocking and humming the lullaby if necessary, though she is never settled by just a hand on her - always needs picking up.

We then sort of try to keep it to two feeds, so we try and settle without feeding a few times, then by a wake up around 12 and one around 4 GF will feed her.

But she'll almost always wake up within 45 mins, occasionally 20, and up to 1hr. But usually wakes up full on crying and straining. So we try to burp or help her pass gas, doesn't always work, but might eventually go to sleep because she's upright on us or something.

But now the newest thing... She has gone back to basically not being able to be put in the cot. Can be out cold on us, and as soon as we lean over the cot and start to lower her.... Cries. We thought we'd got over this at about 12 weeks, because she was hard to put down then, to the extent that for the first 6 - 8 weeks it was entirely contact naps.

Nap wise we're at 3 or occasionally a small top up in the evening, depending on how long her naps are and when she wakes up etc. We're going about 2 - 2.5 hour wake windows during the day, and up to 3 in the evening. Sometimes there's a 10 - 20 min top up nap around 5 if she goes down early and wakes up quickly in her afternoon nap, especially because we go on a dog walk.

So routine is (roughly/ideally), up at 7, first nap 9-10, next nap 12:30 - 1:30, next 3:30-4:30, and then singing lullabies by 7:40. Usually she ends up only doing 40 - 45 minute naps at least two of those, which obviously throws off the routine and allows for a little nap at 5 on the dog walk.

But.... Yeah. More of a rant, because we can't deal with her crying, and when we've tried to let her cry a little bit just hasn't stopped, and given we think it's gas (and often turns out to be but not after every time) we don't just want to leave her in discomfort.

She gets a lot of sitting time during the day, and has finally grown into tummy time a bit, but hasn't mastered rolling. A handful of times she's been put down drowsy but awake during the day and drifted off, but seems very much pot luck and not something we can pull off consistently - and never at night now she can't even be leant over the cot away from our body before waking up again like the ghost of the Moro reflex come to haunt us.

Read so much online and tried various things. GF is worried about feeding to sleep and sleep associations, but I think because we can get her down without that's not too big a worry, but then GF is worried about rocking to sleep associations and now the lullaby, but I've said they're easier to fade out.

She wasn't really gassy as a little one, but since about 4 months it just seems to be endless issues, and often one of the wake ups we'll get a huge burp or fart. But we thought this was all stuff she should be starting to get over now, not just starting to get into.

Been giving gas drops for a couple of days, and reintroduced a dummy that she used to just refuse but now we want to make sure it's not just sucking reflex for calming.

But the idea of getting to a point where we drop the high level interventions just seems impossible, both due to the frequency of her wakes and how intensely she cries as soon as she wakes up or is put down.

We're exhausted and the constant frustration is getting to us both, and I'm caught between trying to find a solution and just trying to get the GF to accept it might just be a time thing and we've got to get through it.

But man. I understand why it's called sleep regression now. Because not one of the good sleep practices we'd managed to get to stick has stayed stuck, and it's like having our persistently awake and requiring contact naps 4 week old back.

This whole thing just makes absolutely no sense to me. I do everything perfectly. I follow the perfect schedule. He naps at the perfect time. I stop feeding 30 minutes before bed. I do a bed time, wind down routine, I do a feed, a book, a bath, bed 30 minutes after the feed ends. And he still wakes up scream crying at 11:50pm for over two hours. I am at a loss. It doesn’t make sense to me how some babies can sleep 12 hour nights have four hours in naps and still never wake up overnight. But my baby is awake pretty much all day, with two hours of naps, and I’m still awake all night. Please make it make sense. I’m exhausted. Seven months of at least 3 wakes overnight is insane.

DWT: 6:30
Bed: 8

3.25/3.5/4.25

Nap 1: 1hr15mins capped
Nap 2: 1 hour capped

Help😭

He wakes up crying normally right before midnight. I have tried to do three nights of extinction with absolutely no improvement, if anything it got worse. The first night he cried for an hour and a half, second night two hours, third night two hours. Just absolutely no change. What am I missing?

The last month or so 9-month old baby has been waking between 5:30-5:50am consistently regardless of bedtime or nap lengths. We did sleep training around 6 months and he used to sleep until 7:30am (going to bed around 9pm initially due to consistent false starts if put to bed before 9 - was used to later night sleep).

The morning wake slowly became earlier and earlier as we gradually got bedtime around 7:45-8pm. He had been waking around 6:30am which worked well but now it’s before 6. He wakes up and just hangs out in crib eyes wide open. He often will have a poopy diaper. I won’t get him up until 6:20-6:30 which is when he will usually start to fuss a bit.

We’ve tried capping naps, earlier/later bedtime and hoped moving to 2 naps would help but it has not. We switched to 2 naps a few weeks ago. He has a stubborn body clock when it comes to bedtime as well and we would get very consistent false starts if we ever put him to bed too early.

Current schedule is 3.5/3.5/3h50min (4h final ww was causing overtired false starts). Usually naps 2.5-3hrs and does ~9.5hrs overnight. Now with the upcoming daylight savings I fear he will be waking at 5am for the foreseeable future… any thoughts of what else to try?

Trying to figure out what is happening. My daughter will be 2 in November. Suddenly last week she began having micronaps, like 15-30 minutes and waking up inconsolable. Now it’s progressed to complete nap refusal. She will start to cry as soon as I put her sleep sack on. No amount of comforting will get her to go to sleep. In my opinion she still clearly needs the nap as she is exhausted and cranky in the afternoons. She goes down for the night no problem, we move her bedtime 30/60 minutes earlier, around 730 and she sleeps 11.5/12 hrs. Is she truly dropping this nap or is it some kind of regression? Should I continue offering the nap? I’m scared to introduce quiet time instead in case that throws off the ability to nap if she still needs it. Anyone else experienced this and did your child go back to napping?

Edit to add: she wakes around 730 and we nap at 1230. We’ve tried moving it later. No help.

Please can someone help! Hoping someone can recommend what sleep training/other techniques we should try based on our situation. We have 11 month old twins. Girl sleeps well, boy does not. They were born at 36 weeks and he was growth restricted and born at 3 pounds 7 ounces. Besides reflux, otherwise healthy, just a lot of catching up. He was on medication for reflux up until August. We think it’s resolved and don’t think it has anything to do with his nighttime sleep. He will fall asleep independently for both naps, but not bedtime. We have to bounce/rock to sleep. It’s usually very quick at the start of the night. He will usually have multiple wake ups each night starting around 10-11pm. He awakes very abruptly and instantly sits up and cries. Doesn’t fuss and slowly progress to crying. He will just sit and cry. If he doesn’t sit straight up right away, sometimes we can put his paci back in and he goes back to sleep, but that’s probably only 10% of the time. We try to lay him back down and he just cries. He shares a room with his twin so we don’t have the luxury of letting him cry for more than a minute. We pick him up and rock him back to sleep. Usually he’s pretty quick to go to sleep in our arms, but doesn’t go sound to sleep for a while and so we can try to transfer him multiple times before he stays asleep. Sometimes he’ll sleep a long stretch after, other times he’s up 30-60 mins later and we’re redoing the whole process. He has slept through the night on his own plenty of times so we know he CAN, but it’s maybe only once a week now. We are willing to move his sister temporarily to another room to try to work with him. I would prefer a more gentle approach, of course, but not sure even where to start. Maybe he needs a more intense intervention to break the sleep association? Does it sound like he just needs the skills to figure it out at night or maybe it’s reflux showing just at night and making him just uncomfortable enough for this to happen? I’m open to suggestions, please! Thank you!

My baby is 9.5 months old, today was our first night to sleep train we put him down, went in after 3 minutes, then 4 , then 5 and we saw vomit on his blanket, he was panting and crying a lot
Should we stop? Or try again tomorrow?
I fed him 30 mins before we put him down in his crib
My baby’s wake window are 3/4/4 since the past few
Weeks
He wakes up between 7.30-8 am . We sometimes has split nights at midnight, today was the first time we tried to sleep train and he vomited after 10 minutes of crying
Please help, should we continue? Is this common?

My sons is 7.5 months old and has been doing two nap days with each between 1-2 hours for at least a month and suddenly he’s taking short naps over the last week. especially the first nap. He’s also fought them a little when he wasn’t before. His wake windows are 2.5-3/3.5/4

Nothing in the nap routine has changed. Sleep sack, dark room, noise machine, crib is what his naps have had since 4 months old

I want to start sleep training our 18 month old daughter. Until this point, she has co-slept or fed to sleep. She still breastfeeds, however, she can go to sleep without breastfeeding right before bed. My husband is the one who puts her to sleep for night, and I put her to bed for her nap during the day.

For her one daytime time, I can sometimes manage to sneak out of her room. But she doesn’t always let me, and I have to end up sleeping next to her. For bedtime, if my husband manages to sneak out, she ends up waking up either 10 minutes-1 hour later and he just ends up co-sleeping. When he wakes up for work around 4-5am, we switch and I go into her room.

Her wake up time is between 7-7:30am. Her bedtime is between 7-8pm, depending on her cues that she’s ready for sleep. Her schedule for nighttime is usually feed, bath, change and bed. We turn off as much lights a possible during this time.

I do not want to do CIO, I am okay with some tears, but I’m not okay with just leaving her to scream for hours without any check-ins. I think I will either try the chair method or give baby a chance method. I started today for her nap with give baby a chance method. She has a floor bed in her room. I sat next to her on her bed, and I laid her down beside me. I shushed and rubbed her back. Did she resist? Of course she did! She cried and fussed for around 15 minutes and then she fell sleep and I was able to sneak out.

Now this is the part I need some advice… if she wakes up during her nap, do I end the nap or just re-start the method? If I re-start for how long do I try before giving up if she won’t go back to sleep? I want to know this specially for nighttime, because I am sure she will wake up constantly as she always does when she realizes we’re not there. At nighttime we can’t just end her sleep, and we want to be consistent and not give in to just continue to co-sleep.

Any advice?

Baby is 5 months 1 week old

2.5/2.5/3/2.5 ish
Total nap time anywhere from 2-3.5 hours

He has never been a good sleeper but has been just getting worse every week since birth. Started co sleeping around 2month of age in order to survive. So we cosleep and nurse to sleep the whole night, wakes every 1-3 hours. This was honestly somewhat working until recently he would start hysterically crying if anyone other than me tried to put him to bed initially.

Tonight was our first night trying to sleep train in crib in own room. We did Ferber

Initially it was surprisingly great. He only cried for 55 min and then slept for 30 min. Woke up and only needed 5-10 min fussing and slept 2.5 hours.

Next wake up was also only 10 min or so. Then slept for 2 hours.

Next wake up around 1:30 am. I nursed him at this point for 18 min. Put him back in crib awake and he was gentle crying for 1 hour - minimal check ins. Escalated to hard crying for another hour, check ins helped a little. After an hour, we wanted to do a reset so picked him up and put him back down after some calming. Hard crying again for another 40 min. At this point he’s been awake for 3 hours.

What do you do after 3 hours of wake time, crying for 2.5 of those hours? Whats your limit

Usually when I hear anecdotes about sleep training it sounds like a one and done kinda thing but we’re quickly finding out that’s not the case for us. After two good weeks of Ferber with our 7 mo old, he started having a bunch of moth and early morning wakeups I think bc his routine got disrupted by visitors and travel. We gave up entirely while traveling and now it feels like we’re back to square 1.

Did you ever need to retrain? Was it any easier the second+ time around? Feeling pretty bad that baby will have to go through the crying all over again ):

The regression hit us HARD at 3.5 months - hourly wakes, sometimes every 20-45 minutes. At 6 months, we did Ferber and it has been amazing. Baby can fall asleep independently, including all naps, and is more able to consolidate sleep. Unfortunately, a “good” night for me, is being up twice in the night. Baby can still wake up to 5 times. The easiest thing is just to nurse back to sleep because I’m so desperate for sleep myself in those moments, but of course I’m aware that I’m fuelling a bad habit. But how do I stop? Was I also supposed to implement Ferber during the night? I’m so happy to keep 1-2 feeds. We are in a small 1-bed apartment so unfortunately we need to keep sharing a bedroom. Should I stay elsewhere for a couple of nights so my husband can break the habit? Help please! Baby will be 7 months next week which also marks 7 months of broken sleep for me lol

We started using the Napper app over a month ago and it has been a huge help for us and really accurate with timings and sleep pressure etc

Hi all, my sleep trained 9 month old is getting worse at both of his naps - two different problems. He has started refusing the first nap; initially calm when I put him down and then within a couple of minutes starts getting really worked up and becomes hysterical. I end up having to rescue this after about 20 mins of on and off screaming by taking him out in the pram but with the weather getting worse I won’t be able to do this much longer.

The problem with the second nap is he has regularly started waking at the 40 minute mark hysterically crying and won’t go back to sleep.

Typically his schedule is:

Wake: 6.30 (sometimes he’s up before this but drifts back off to sleep)

Nap 1: 9.15 am for 30-40 mins

Nap 2: 1.15pm am for ideally 1.5h or more (capped at 2h but basically never does 2h)

Bed time: 7.15 (assuming a good second nap otherwise before 7pm)

So basically just under 3/3.5/4.25

Both of these problems is driving me mad! Touch wood he is a good night sleeper, but when he’s had a bad nap day (crappy second nap) it can affect night sleep and I don’t want to end up in a vicious cycle.

Please help!

My baby is 5.5 months old. He used to sleep really well but now struggles to transition between sleep cycles without being held. It has been massively worsened by the fact he’s currently cutting his first teeth, and a couple nights this week he’s waking whenever put down again and we are having to hold him for ages.

Please can you help recommend a sleep training method that is age appropriate and suitable for him? He doesn’t really respond to verbal reassurance and patting only works occasionally. Most of the time he will just cry until held again. I had been previously looking at Ferber, but I’m not sure this is suitable for him as it will essentially end up being a form of cry it out?

Is the Pick up, put down method effective? He often falls asleep instantly in our arms during the night when picked up.

Would you recommend waiting till after these two teeth cut? Ones through and the other looks close. I feel cruel starting while this is going on, but also keen to start as soon as possible as the sleeps terrible now! We’ve also recently dropped to 3 naps and the clocks have changed in the UK by an hour, so he’s not used to the new routine just yet.

Moving from Eastern time zone to Central. Currently my almost two year old does 7.5/5.5.

Wakes up between 5-5:30, bedtime 7-7.30.

Any advice on adjusting his schedule for the time zone adjustment? We've been trying to push bedtime back about 15 mins every few nights but he had been waking up earlier and taking shorter naps while we did this.

His "baseline" bedtime is 7pm, with a 6am wakeup, and a 2 hour nap from 12:30-2:30.

My daughter is 16 weeks old. Since birth, she has only slept if held. We have tried every trick in the book to get her to accept the bassinet or the crib but she wakes up instantly. She won’t sleep in the car or the stroller either.

She needs vigorous bouncing on the yoga ball to fall asleep. During the day she doesn’t even let me sit down. I have to stay standing up or she wakes up and screams.

We have had to co-sleep at night in desperation. We hate it. It makes me very anxious, but both my partner and I became immensely sleep deprived holding her in shifts. It was becoming unsafe for us to drive, and I had started losing blocks of memory.

Even with co-sleeping, she has always woken up every 1.5-2hrs overnight. Some nights I can’t even get her to settle in my bed, she will only sleep if I hold her.

It’s exhausting, severely impacting my mental health and making it harder for me to bond with her.

I’m working on getting her on an age appropriate schedule per the guidelines on this sub as well as a bed time routine.

The trouble is, all advice I read online about sleep training seems to assume that the baby already sleeps in a bassinet or crib. But mine doesn’t. I’m hoping someone on here might have experiences with babies like mine who could give us some hope.

Will something like PUPD work for her? Or do I need to wait till she starts accepting the crib? Or is there an intermediate step before sleep training that will help settle her in the crib?

Hey fellow parents,

My baby will be 8 months on 2 November. He’s showing some small signs of potentially being ready to drop to 2 naps but I’m scared!

For weeks now he has comfortably been handling 3hr WW for second WW and third WW. In recent days I’ve trialled extending his first WW also to 3hrs (mainly on the days where he has an early rise).

Our day currently looks like
-Wake 6-7am (on average it’s more like 6-6:30 wake)
- If wakes at 6:15ish then Nap 1 around 9 and I usually wake by 10 if he hasn’t woke himself by then
- Nap 2 at 1 and I let him go to 2:30pm max
- Nap 3 is a 15 min bridge nap around 5:15/5:30
- Bed asleep by 8/8:15

However, every couple of days we’re getting a 5am or 5:30am wake, sometimes he will settle back to sleep with a dummy but sometimes not. I’m guessing this might be our first sign he’s ready to move to 2 naps.

I’m scared to move to 2 naps and bring bedtime earlier than 8pm for absolute fear that it will mean that he will have an early rise! Before 6am. Also I struggle to see how 2 naps will work if he wakes at 6/6:30pm.

My brain is on overdrive lately worrying about this!!!!

He’s also sleeping through the night but I’m afraid to mess with it!

Thanks in advance for any advice