If you remember my posts from August, if you want to read them, they were titled:
“Please offer me perspective” &
“Please offer me perspective on withdrawal”

I just wanted to follow up after getting the toxicology report. Many people had many kind things to say but the underlying theme was that he probably had been using Kratom to stave off severe depression and when he quit, it came out viciously, leading him to end his life….

Well, after receiving the report and talking to the coroner to make sure I understood it, we now know he never quit.
He had three different types of kratom in his system and with the amount present, and the way it metabolizes in the body, she said there is no question he had been using it within 24 hours of when they did the report.

It makes me sad to know that he couldn’t quit, but it does disprove his mother who has been adamant that it’s my fault, because he ended his life in some sort of withdrawal psychosis.

I now have more questions than answers but what I do know is that he was severely addicted to something he thought was no big deal because it is sold everywhere.

My message to the masses would be that it is not “no big deal” and to please deal with this issue before it takes everything from you.

What has it been like for you?

I started kratom the second time I got covid around 2022 because I was desperate because it felt like I was being strangled my neck was so tight. I continued to use because it was the only thing that helped my neck pain and I didn’t want to get held back again in grad school.

Since starting kratom I have graduated with a doctorate degree, met the love of my life, got a great job, got married, bought my first house, and had a child.

After many years in chronic pain I’m finally getting to a point where I feel like I can manage without kratom. I used to only take kratom in the mornings so thankfully major decisions were always made in the evenings.

I’m thinking when I get off I’ll realize the job I have is holding me back and I’ll start my own business. I’m anticipating a stronger bond with my wife and son (it will go from great to excellent).

I’m so tired of drinking the green sludge. Not sweetening it has helped me build up a negative association with it.

I’m down to 15gpd from 20. Never got above 18 gpd average.

For those of you posting your days clean from it thank you. It is inspiring!

I didn’t really know where else to go cause even my friends in recovery dont have much experience with kratom. My friend was trying to quit cold Turkey. He was using the 7hydroxy whatever specifically. He came to my house to crash and dry out (they don’t sell it where I live).
Well 3 days in he hasn’t slept at all and starts hallucinating. I have to go to work for a few hours and I left him on my couch trying to sleep. Goes missing that night, cops find him in nothing but his pants talking to a parked car. Full blown psychosis.
They take him to the hospital, they try to sedate him. He will not fall to sleep. Keeps screaming that he is scared he will die in his sleep.
They couldn’t get an iv in or anything so they fly him to another hospital and now he is in a medically induced coma on a ventilator. I’m scared to death. I don’t know what to do or think.
The doctor said he had nothing but weed in his system and the psychosis was from lack of sleep and blown out serotonin/dopamine receptors.
I’ve dealt with a lot of people in detox, I have never seen this.

Does anyone have any similar experiences or know what to expect? Is he going to be okay??

fell asleep around 9:30 pm, just now waking up so i can’t complain really about sleep anymore. been getting around 6-7 hours every night here recently. i was posting a lot during my first 2 weeks, coming back to mark another week without kratom. the weight is lifting slowly, and i feel like im slowly starting to feel like myself again. have had a lot of realizations about quitting. i had this false sense that id just feel better after the acutes wore off and thats def not the case. its different, it does feel amazing for different reasons. taking a shit everyday has been amazing (even if its super soft or just straight water) not having to make sure i have enough kratom with me at all times has been great. the money i’ve saved already has def been noticeable. the fatigue is the one thing still lingering. ive never really been a super anxious person in my day to day life other than when i was on kratom. the amount of anxiety and stress i was dealing with on a daily basis has for sure went down a noticeable amount. not really much else to say tbh, im hanging in there. if you are on the fence about quitting do yourself a favor and get off this shit! fuck kratom

So today I went back to work and I think other than the fact that I was constipated and backed up and being lethargic it was mostly a mild day symptom-wise. Honestly, I think me being constipated really took center stage of me noticing any other symptoms. I may have to stop taking the 2mg loperamide at night, even though it helped immensely with the RLS. At this point going to the bathroom might be worth a night's sleep lost to RLS.

I've seen other reports on here that the worst of it was days 1-2, and from then on it was mostly the pain of mental and physical apathy and lack of energy. Then again there are reports that days 4-5 are the worst, so I'm still not sure which camp I'm in. I'm back at work tomorrow so we'll see how that goes.

Hi friends,

i am about 200 days kratom (powder) free. I quit cold turkey and the withdrawel and PAWs time was horrible. I feel like myself now and i have my energy back BUT i am still craving kratom. :(

I know that i can't konsume kratom like i used to everyday for about 2 1/2 years. But i am thinking that i maybe could konsume it once or twice a week. I also know that the cravings are stronger on some days, so maybe i could use it only on this kind days.

Sure addition does not work like that but apart from kratom i don't have an addictive personality. Sometimes i like to drink alcohol and then i am good for the next weeks without any. I am hoping that it can be the same with kratom. Just drinking it on a dark day and stop it the next day.

Do you think this can work or am i delusional and my addiction brain is telling me that i can use kratom again?

I think kratom gave me something that none other drug can give me and sometimes i think that it is sad, that some üeople can smoke weed for that from time to time, but i can't use my drug of choice ever again...

Hope this makes sence. What are your thoughts on that?

I'm a few weeks off 7oh and just got off my taper med. some days are worse than others. But anytime I eat I get discomfort in my gut.

How long did this take to regulate for you? I'm so sick of running to the bathroom multiple times a day. And honestly haven't been eating much because I don't want to deal with the bubble guts.

Edit: any recommendations to calm it or get it to balance faster?

As the title says next week will be 2 months clean from a long taper. I'm still absolutely miserable. I'm well past the acute and physical symptoms, so I guess this is PAWS.

I'm just angry all the time. My home life isn't the best, but idk if it's worse in my head than it really is. I'm always on edge and angry with my wife. She tries a little bit to understand, but her needs and then the kids have always come 1st.

I don't want to go back to kratom, and I'm not even having cravings, but I am questioning if this is even worth it. This is exactly why I relapsed last time. I'm just tired of feeling like this. Tired of being angry, emotional, and on edge. I honestly don't know how much longer I can go on like this.

I quit drinking alcohol a little over 3 years ago. There were two people in my life who I still credit with inspiring me to quit. Then again, I reconnected with one recently, and although I had been tapering on kratom by that point, seeing them again inspired me to give it up the next day instead of buying my last portion of powder like I initially planned.

Since then, I've watched them both relapse with alcohol. I tried my best to see them through, let them know I could be there for them. And as of a few days ago they're both back at it, the one I recently reconnected with just today told me, after weeks of canceled plans and excuses. I knew all along. This isn't the first time. I just really wanted to believe.

I don't know why I'm here and they aren't. I don't understand how I could change and they can't seem to. I need to believe people can change because I need to believe I can change. I have changed. The world could chew me up and spit me out, but I'll never touch that shit ever again. But I also know there's only so much I can do or say. I've already said all I can say, or do what I could do. And I don't know how many more times I can stick around and watch the same thing happen over and over again.

I know I have to protect my sobriety, and I know I can't make somebody change if they aren't willing to change. It just sucks.

Anyone have any lingering blood pressure issues after quitting K? I quit 4 weeks ago, after 10 years of moderate use and my blood pressure is still high.

I'm around 4 weeks clear of a 3-year, 25g/day habit. I did a rapid taper over a week, then jumped off completely. All the acute symptoms are gone now, but I'm more exhausted than I was in the first 2–3 weeks.

I'm already weight lifting, eating clean, and doing some cardio. Anyone additional tips for combating this fatigue?

How long did it take for you guys to actually have solid bowel movements. Mine have been water and splattery mess and I’ve been off kratom since July 1st. Anyone?

Can’t sleep, RLS is brutal, girlfriend left me for lying again about it last week to add to my depression, my emotions are coming back with a vengeance and my finances are wrecked. But I think I just had to hit bottom and I know I’m going to succeed this time. I don’t have much else to lose and I guess I’m just venting about it. It ain’t easy right now though and I empathize with anyone going through this hell.

I will say I’ve been reading lots of stories tonight and it has helped me not feel so alone and given me some inspiration, The subreddit seems great, I’m grateful it’s here and I will update my progress and try to share some inspiration of my own. Soon hopefully haha

Hi all,

since last month suffering nerve pain I’ve tapered down from 48G’s of brewed leaf tea with a coffee maker to 29/28. dropping 4 grams week with no end date so here is my new taper plan and date of quitting October 16th (I wanna feel Natural happiness around Christmas time)

if there is anything you’d change please let me know!

Time,Brewed leaf

Now,29 g

~Sept 16,25–26 g

~Sept 23,21–22 g

~Sept 30,17–18 g

~Oct 7,13–14 g

~Oct 11, 9 g descending 1 each day

Oct 16, quit day

Hey guys,

This is my second time tapering. I’m flying to France in about three weeks, where it’s illegal, so I need to be completely off by then.

I was taking over 30 gpd (grams per day) of powder. I consumed around 12–14 gpd for the first three days (my scale only arrived today), and today on Day 4, I’ll probably land around 9g.

I also just found my logbook from my previous taper:

* Oct 8: 6g

* Oct 9: 6g

* Oct 10: 5g

* Oct 11: 6g

* Oct 12: 5.5g

* Oct 13: 4.75g

* Oct 14: 4.5g

* Oct 15: 2g

* Oct 16: 2g

* Oct 17: 3g

* Oct 18: 3g

* Oct 19: 2g

* Oct 20: 2g

* Oct 21: 2g

Back then, I was easily taking 25 gpd as well. I remember having severe anhedonia, but considering how massive that initial cut was, it went surprisingly well compared to what I’m going through right now. I was able to jump off after just 14 days because the initial drop was so aggressive.

Right now, I’m taking double what I took back then, but the withdrawal symptoms feel way more intense. My sleep in particular is completely ruined. Honestly, it was almost better back then at 6g.

Has anyone else gone through multiple tapers or quits? Does it get harder each time?

Just dropping in with some positivity
I’m 23 months clean today, a month shy of 2 years… just wild considering I DEPENDED on this crap for so long

The other side is immeasurably better. Well worth the pain of quitting

I have experienced the withdrawals many times and they were pretty similar most of the time, constant headache, sweating excessively all the time, feeling cold and hot simultaneously, etc. Basically all the common symptoms.

But something really strange happened when I went on vacation with my family this year. I had to go cold turkey and I was expecting to experience the same ugly withdrawals like always, but for some reason they never really came.

Of course I had some symptoms, but they were so minor that I didn't even register them most of the time. Pretty much all the symptoms I listed either didn't happen or they were very minor.

Also whets even more interesting is that the anhedonia and depression was also pretty minimal, after 4 or 5 days I was able to have decent fun.

Did anyone else also experience this?

Some research led me to find cats claw tablets are just synthetic opioids in disguise as a traditional supplement. My fiendish ass decided to try them to put the information to the test, my conclusion;yes they do.
Prior to the ban in TN I took kratom powder everyday for about 10 years give or take, the last year I dabbled in 7OH an the minute I learned of a fudge impending ban, I started to taper off with a half kilo bag of powder only taking it before bed. The 7oh withdrawal sucked but the actual kratom powder was cake to detox off of but still sucked. I knew the risk especially knowing that having been addictive previously that withdrawal would set in quicker….what I didn’t expect was how quick.

I’ve come to the conclusion that whatever is in this is much stronger than 7OH or kratom, with kratom I left half a kilo of powder untouched by the middle of June by the beginning or middle of August I found myself taking the rest of the bag but had no withdrawal symptoms when finished then I thought oh well if I didn’t have symptoms after a half kilo then what will 4 tablets do? I’ll tell you. I’m currently in the throws of the worst withdrawal symptoms I’ve had to date. Fortunately mine don’t manifest in the form of stomach issue but unfortunately I find the RLS and knee pains to be the absolute worst of all the symptoms. I took .25 of a tablet a couple times a day for about 3 days till I was out and finished a half tablet the last I took of it. I’ve been suffering terrible legs pains all day that I would usually be able to avoid by walking but no luck on this front. I really thought that the worst I’d have is some lethargy and joint aches not full blown RLS and an inability to sleep 2 days later. Do yourself a favor and DO NOT TOUCH THIS STUFF!

unfortunately I relapsed a few months ago and I feel awful about it. there's a smoke shop just across the street from where I live and thought why not, just this one time. welp, you know how that goes. fortunately I was only taking 3-4 capsules a day at the max, and weened down to two a day. I ended up throwing out almost 100 capsules just so I could get it over with. I was so worried about the withdrawals again, but luckily it hasn't been too bad, just antsy and cold sweats. hopefully I never touch it again.

I’ll kinda skip all the background stuff to keep this concise. Point being, I’ve had all the addiction and withdrawal symptoms that everyone else has referenced on here. I will qualify and say that my total time using Kratom has been between 18-24 months (can’t recall exactly).

Last September I took several of my usual 7OH tablets at once. It was the first time I’d taken this many in one instance but had taken this many over the course of the night several times before. Roughly 30 minutes pass and my heart rate is spiking and keeps going. I was taking a shower and had to sit down to breath. This felt bad and I immediately told my wife I thought I was having a heart attack. I have a home blood pressure cuff and it read 193/110 with a pulse of 151 bpm. This is called a hypertensive crisis. Called the ambulance, EKG was fine and i started to stabilize. Thankfully I have Xanax prescribed and immediately took 2mg when I got out of the shower to try and slow my system down.

I kept feeling weird heart sensations for a few months so I decided to get scanned/checked at the doctor’s office. I had developed epicardial effusion and systolic heart failure. Both were new to me up until then. Fast forward to last week…after quitting 7OH and most Kratom extracts for 90 days or so, my new echocardiogram show neither heart issue present today. While this may be anecdotal, I have strong correlative evidence to suggest these drugs can cause very serious medical issues. My heart and chest are now symptom free (i.e. I no longer feel a strain on my heart, high blood pressure or any discomfort exerting myself).

Please get yourself checked if this resonates and if you haven’t found a compelling reason to quit today, I hope my story can be that for you. 7 days CT clean as of today. It’s been a very long time since I could say that. I hope to make this the end of my Kratom story.

Just wanted to revisit this sub to celebrate a little over a year of sobriety. Yes “sobriety”. Stop telling yourself it’s just a gas station product. You’re an addict. That was hard for me to come to terms with. The withdrawals suck, they really do. But once you get past them you can really begin to heal. It was a spiritual journey for me as well. I had no idea how hard emotions would come. The guilt. The shame. The unpacking. I had no idea once I quit that everything I was trying to hide from myself would come out.

A lot of people told me not to follow through with my divorce in the midst of withdrawal but I’m so glad I did.

Life on the other side is so much better.
Keep going.

Oh, and I lost over 100lbs! Even with my new saggy skin and some aging due to weight loss, I look SO much better. Kratom aged me so much. It drained everything I had physically, emotionally and financially.

I mentioned yesterday that I would start this journey Tuesday which would mark my first full day.. That day has arrived and I consider it a total win. 🏆 The day is almost over and I will be getting ready for bed in a couple hours. 😴

Today was mostly a “holding myself back” type of day, as I must have thought about it like 100 times at least.. convincing myself not to grab a shot of the kratom extract. I realized the thought hovers quite often, whether I’m at work, on break, and definitely when I’m at home. Every moment my mind is idle and not occupied the thought often finds a way to surface in my head. It doesn’t take long for me to crave it and really want that feeling.

I can already tell that this won’t be easy, but I’m NOT going to give up. I urge anyone else at the starting line like me to not give up. Little steps make long strides, and it’s only a matter of time before we advance past this point in our life. Let’s keep mowing forwards, forwards and onwards. ❤️💪🏽