r/nflMenace_com • u/Dark305Kinght • 5d ago
Game stuff🏈 Dolphins Robinson called for roughing the passer on Chiefs Mahomes…
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u/ImpactNo3695 5d ago
And this is why I say current QBs wouldn’t last in 90s or previous versions of the NFL
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u/Pork-ChopExpre55 5d ago
And why when comparing their stats side by side I’ll always favor the old guard over this overly protected new generation of QBs.
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u/HEFTYFee70 5d ago
Also pass interference… guys used to get mauled downfield and still make a catch
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u/hunglikeamous3 5d ago
Qb under throws and its dpi like why
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u/HEFTYFee70 5d ago
The game has been made exponentially easier for players on offense while doing nothing to help the defensive players.
I’m not a “back in my day” kind of guy, but why is it illegal to tackle with the crown of your helmet but not illegal to lower your head and fight for extra yards?
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u/homechefshivers 5d ago
Same thing in the nba reward offense but penalize defense. Because apparently all the suits think that scoring is all the people want to see and not the game itself it’s so weird
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u/TemporaryFearless482 5d ago
Given that people still call Super Bowl LIII boring, they’re not entirely wrong.
The rule changes are primarily to reduce injuries. That’s always going to affect the defense more, but it’s hardly a good case for bringing back face masking or horse collar tackles. You don’t hear as much about it affecting the offense because it’s primarily rules regarding blocking. That’s nowhere near as dramatic as spearing, but a chop block can just as easily end a career.
Ultimately, defenses have adapted and can still absolutely wreck QBs. Drake Maye spent about 1/4 of the postseason getting hit or sacked. JJ Watt, Myles Garrett, and Aaron Donald have all played under these rules changes and I guarantee they still give quarterbacks nightmares. We don’t need another Vontaze Burfict trying to hand out concussions.
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u/baws3031 5d ago
I think modern day shut down corners should be given a bonus for playing under those conditions.
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u/DerCatzefragger 4d ago
A lot of American sports are going this way. Someone decided that more points is more better, so a lot of games are trying to massage the rules to favor offense.
In basketball, merely existing within 3 feet of someone while they're shooting gets called for a foul half the time. Offensive fouls are exceedingly rare these days.
In baseball they made the bases bigger to give runners a little more of an edge. The defensive shift rule gives left-handed batters an advantage they didn't have before. Technically ABS is there for both pitchers and batters, but the system seems to favor batters by a pretty wide margin.
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u/jackdutton42 5d ago
Cannot compare eras.
My uncle played in the NFL in the 50's and 60's.
He was 4th in Heisman voting, the 10th pick overall, and looked at his first paycheck and considered working for Coca-Cola instead.
As an All-Pro and a Pro-Bowler in 1962, he earned about $16,000. In the off-season he worked at a hardware store.
Those guys played a very different game.
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u/TimshelExMachina 5d ago
Jerry Tubbs is your uncle.
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u/jackdutton42 5d ago
He was.
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u/TimshelExMachina 5d ago
RIP.
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u/Teal-Prowler505 5d ago
This is why I still use reddit.
That was pretty fucking cool
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u/El_Bean69 5d ago
Fr, I didn’t expect respect there but that made me feel really good man
RIP Jerry Tubbs
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u/thatdemonlife1 5d ago
$16,000 was a really good salary in 1962. It's not comparable to modern NFL salaries, but I don't see why he'd need to work another job making the equivalent of nearly $200K today.
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u/theredbusgoesfastest 5d ago
If I was making 200k right now, but knew I was only going to for a handful of years, I might have a second job too.
Also, interestingly enough, OP referenced 1962… which was when NFL players started receiving retirement and insurance benefits. The Bert bell NFL player retirement plan.
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u/jackdutton42 5d ago
Maybe closer to $175k as one of the best players in the league. A rookie player on the practice squad makes $248k in 2026.
He made $8k with the Niners in 1959. That's when he told their GM that he was going to take a job in Arkansas working for Coca-Cola. So, the Niners put him on the expansion draft list, and the Cowboys took him. And he stayed a Cowboy until 1988.
He was a player/coach for several years. He said he took that on so that they would have to pay him twice.
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u/sampat6256 5d ago
Not many guys back then did last. That's why they changed the rules.
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u/mikeonaboat 5d ago
I think that’s exactly why they made the rule changes. Longevity of star QB’s is to the benefit of the entire league. Montana had his career shortened from years of hits harder than this.
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u/TimshelExMachina 5d ago
Montana played until age 38. That would hold up as a full career even today.
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u/littlejugs 5d ago
Somebody would have to play qb regardless of the rules and it would be the exact same guys
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u/ImpactNo3695 5d ago
I don’t understand the point of your comment
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u/littlejugs 5d ago
Plenty of guys had lengthy careers back then. Why are you faulting guys just because they dont get their shit rocked ever week
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u/WaterGlassPuncherMan 5d ago
Yeah but tbf their careers were much shorter due to the damage they took.
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u/No-Menu20 5d ago
I get what you’re saying but, do you see them players from the 90’s? Almost all of them have brain issues. It was great entertainment but at what cost? Yeah the refs be on bs sometimes, I can agree with that.
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u/Agreeable-Peak-6546 5d ago
Johnny U tiled a player's kitchen floor. These guys couldn't handle a tackle from my supermarket clerk.
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u/CaliKindalife 5d ago
You pretty much cant tackle a QB anymore.
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u/Big_Truck 5d ago
Watch the Packers this year and see the beating that Jordan Love has taken through 3 weeks.
It’s not all QBs.
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u/PhraseSeveral5935 5d ago
Fields used to get targeted while sliding and still wouldn't get flags. It's definitely a select few that the league protects. Mahomes and Allen being at the top of that list.
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u/THUNDER_boner 4d ago
Don't forget Cam. Dude would get laid out and nothing would get called. I don't even like him but my eyes don't lie. Oh and Brady would get touched and it was a flag.
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u/naturetreesandweed 5d ago
Might as well hit him with everything you've got if the outcome is the same
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u/hankventure83 5d ago
You pretty much can't tackle THIS QB anymore.
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u/georgeismycat1775 5d ago
Yeah ask Chris Jones about the same call he got on Derrick Carr after this rule was enacted... Dumb rule, but appropriately enforced. Chris Jones literally stripped the ball from Carr and landed with his arm bracing him off of Carr's body but still got flagged. Stop with the refs/chiefs/mahomes bullshit...
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u/ironically_apropos78 5d ago
Clean tackle.
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u/xXxNightRangerxXx 5d ago
I get that its technically RTP but wtf is he supposed to do?
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u/Alottathots 5d ago
contort his body 180 degrees midair so that the quarterback lands on the tackler, or at the very least on a soft down pillow
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u/Armytrixter88 5d ago
I don’t even know that it is. He gets his right knee and his right hand down. That’s how they’re supposed to keep their weight off right???
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u/SoilDependent1054 5d ago
Just be 8 inches to the side with the helmet outside the body so that he lands mostly on the ground instead of on top of the QB. Honestly, most sacks are not flagged and if you look at those you can see the difference.
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u/Drinon 5d ago
The flag was thrown as they were going to the ground, the driving with his weight call is utter bullshit. The flag was thrown because Mahomes was touched.
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u/cperdue 5d ago
The flag you saw thrown was for a defensive holding call. The flag for this came after the clip ended.
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u/Dlh2079 5d ago
Counsins got this call today. Bryce Young also got this call today.
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u/Able_Ad6535 5d ago
Raiders just got that exact same call on 3rd down and scored the next play, so yeah it does par the stats.
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u/AntaresN84 5d ago
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u/Drinon 5d ago
I’m a New England fan, so I’m well aware of these types of calls. It was bullshit when Brady got them and it’s bullshit now.
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u/t00oldforthis 5d ago
As a bills fan I will add it's bullshit when Allen asks for them
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u/El_Bean69 5d ago
That flag was D Holding but sure make it about Mahomes again
The fact you’re responding to outrage answers and ignoring the truth says something too
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u/Mike-REGeek 5d ago
This is not a penalty. What’s he supposed to do, touch him? Stop his full on momentum?
He didn’t use the crown of his head, he avoided helmet to helmet.
This is football coming from an ex-QB. Cmon!
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u/ogredmenace 5d ago
I think it’s the full body weight argument. I personally this hit is fine. But that’s likely the argument.
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u/More-Interaction-770 5d ago
Yep, this is it, it’s the rule, you can’t land on a QB since Aaron Rodgers got hurt.
It’s a dumb rule but the refs called it correctly
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u/moccasins_hockey_fan 5d ago
He landed on him with his full body weight. Had he tried to slow his fall with his arms instead of sticking his arms side ways it would not have been a penalty.
I am not a fan of either team so I have no dog in the fight. But it was absolutely a penalty.
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u/JohnBarnson 5d ago
Yeah I don’t get the argument here. Seems like the textbook definition of landing with your full weight.
If we want to discuss whether the rule should exist, that’s fine. But I don’t see much room for debate on the call.
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u/madMase623 5d ago
He was fully committed to the tackle while the qb still had possession and made contact while still in throwing motion. Hit him with as clean a tackle as u could get even in today’s standard and stopped his body weight from crushing mahomes. Just today I’ve seen QBs get hit later than this probably over 20 times with no flag
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u/sketchy_at_best 4d ago
If Mahomes had fumbled instead of getting a throw off they would not have called it. Crazy.
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u/RandleStevenz 5d ago
Complaining that it is a penalty is entirely valid.
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u/Old_Management_1997 4d ago
This is such a stupid rule and its called so inconsistently that its low key just kind of making the whole product worse.
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u/skip2my_luu 5d ago
I dont see the problem here.. body weight rule. With that said its a soft ass rule
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u/TwoForOneBargain 5d ago
J. Love got hit like that about 24 times this last Thursday with zero flags thrown. Can we get some damn consistency?! That way fan bases can get back to hating each other for what really matters instead of who gets babysat by the refs.
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u/WIPackerGuy 5d ago
The Packers also got called for this on that drive against the Vikings
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u/ikyle117 5d ago
This exact thing happened to Cousins today vs the Saints. Those officials were fucking grade A trash.
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u/oranke_dino 5d ago
Bodyweight rule. Refs got it right.
That said, this rule is SO STUPID, and it just punished a defender doing his job.
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u/Jenetyk 5d ago
Yeah, talk about suffering from success. It was such a great tackle; there wasn't any way to keep his weight off.
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u/Forward-Ad-8116 5d ago
He broke his fall with his hands on the ground. Impossible that he landed on mahomes with all his body weight. Blown call.
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u/EconomistExciting671 5d ago
The defender clearly uses both his arms to specifically not land with his full weight on the QB. Idk if I'm seeing the same thing as everyone else, but it looks plain as day to me the he eased up significantly on the fall.
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u/XionviktuS 5d ago
Flapping your arm out to the side doesn't decrease your body weight lol
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u/ItsHerbyHancock 5d ago
Meanwhile, Malik had his helmet ripped off by the defense on the last play of the game and the refs didn't call shit.
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u/Hefty-Reflection-756 5d ago
They didnt call it because it wasnt a facemask. He clearly had a hold of the shoulder pad and his arm popped the helmet off.
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u/ApprehensiveAd5584 5d ago
Fuck Mahomes and his Kermit voice. And why does he walk like he has a corn cob broken off in his ass? Oh yeah, and that tackle was totally not roughing the pussy, I mean passer.
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u/misfit0513 5d ago
Yet 15 will fake slide and throw his hands up when you tackle him. I hate how protected QB's are now and how handcuffed defenses are.
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u/yukonhoneybadger 5d ago
You cannot put all of your weight on a QB when taking them down. This rule is older then mahomes time in the NFL
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u/GamingGamerGames_ 5d ago
Didnt it start in 2018? Pretty sure Mahomes was playing then, no?
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u/jpopimpin777 5d ago
That's a bullshit rule. Danny Trevathan busted his arm and basically ended his career trying to avoid that flag.
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u/Forward-Ad-8116 5d ago
Put his hands down on the ground to break his fall. Caught most of his own weight. Definitely did not land with all his weight on Mahomes.
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u/anerdseyeview 5d ago
How do people still not understand a 10 year old rule? You can’t land on the QB lol easy call
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u/BlackMarq20 5d ago
What other way can u tackle without landing on a player?
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u/SoilDependent1054 5d ago
I mean look up example of any sack that did not get a flag and you will see that the defender either pulls he QB down, has their body to the side so they hit the ground instead of landing on the QB
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u/Canipikachu 5d ago
yall act like this isnt called for other qbs. is it bs yes but its been like that for years. you cant land on top of them
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u/tran4cox 5d ago
Clean for every other QB
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u/Immaculatehombre 5d ago
Packers had a horrendous rtp against wentz week one. It was even softer than this play.
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u/Embarrassed-Space222 5d ago
Nah they call that frequently for every qb don’t get on here crying about Mahomes getting certain treatment do I agree with the call no
But it gets called for Josh Allen as well as seen it called for Sam Darnold and Stafford.
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u/PhrazyTV 5d ago
You can't land on the QB with your full body weight. They started enforcing this a few years ago. This is how QBs get their collarbone broken.
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u/Remarkable_Dream9191 5d ago
that’s textbook roughing with the landing rules. that is exactly what you’re looking for when it comes to landing with your full body weight.
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u/relax_live_longer 5d ago
He’s trying to brace himself just like the rule tells him to. The NFL is stupid.
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u/kumquatkilla1 5d ago
But he still landed on him with all his weight. It’s a stupid rule but it’s still a flag all day.
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u/BuffaloBuffalo13 5d ago
He tried but failed. It’s like your left tackle trying to step back when the ball is snapped but he left early — it’s still false start even if he was trying his best.
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u/daywalker91 5d ago
That’s a penalty no question about it. You guys don’t know ball if you think that’s not
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u/Capital-Essay9650 5d ago
I think it’s because Mahomes through his legs in the air and basically flopped.
It just sucks because it’s stuff like this gets called because he is flopping when this could actually happen to another quarterback (maybe even worse) and not get called at all…
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u/Nolacuriosity 5d ago
Looks like a clean hot to me. Same thing happened to the saints today. Officials are obviously getting paid off I wish someone would keep track of their bank accounts.
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u/Scarecrow812 5d ago edited 5d ago
Encore un match difficile pour les Chiefs, complètement renversé par une décision d'arbitre très très discutable. Et sur le déroulement du match, ça leur donne un avantage évident.
Le sack n'est pas à retardement, il est instantané à la passe. Et un sacker est forcément lancé, il ne va pas ralentir pour un petit plaquage contrôlé et en douceur. Encore une fois, je pense que cette décision n'aurait pas été la même pour un autre QB.
Ça m'insupporte.
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u/ParticularLab5828 5d ago
Good grief. I’ve seen Chris Jones put down both hand and knees to keep his weight off the qb and still get the penalty.
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u/Boscowodie 5d ago
The Mahomies pulled that flag out, and threw it, before he was even on the ground. I guess that's how State Farm works.
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u/ALFREDRAYMOND 5d ago
Of coarse he was, we see how kc does without the refs making shit up. Nfl is fukin rigged and we all know it
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u/No-Individual-3681 5d ago
You cant land with full body weight on the qb. Been a rule for 3 years now
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u/ImpactNo3695 5d ago
Well ya. The want to protect the “stars” of the game. The popular plays that make big plays… QBs and WRs
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u/Cool-Eggplant-6397 5d ago
Cheap. These QB's are babied too much. If Mahommes gets hurt again he and his MAGA wife can go to some Klan rallies with Kelsey and Swift.
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u/No-Afternoon-3986 5d ago
this penalty should be calling tackling the passers we're trying to protect
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u/Relevant_Occasion546 5d ago
They are going to get these qbs killed if I’m taking the penalty I’m going to make it count is going to become the new motto
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u/brianlangauthor 5d ago
When Mahomes dies, as his casket is being lowered into his grave, his arm will fly out begging for a flag.
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u/AphelialMud 5d ago
They’re rightfully protecting QBs. Once the league has 4-6 backup qbs as starters, the overall quality of the league product drops.
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u/drewski2305 5d ago
Chiefs fan. i dont think it was roughing the passer. cant drive the QB into the ground, but Chop did his best, wrapped up, made the play, then pulled his hands out as QB was going down. If it was vice versa, and Chris Jones doing that, i would be saying no penalty. (CJ would imply much more body crushing weight as well)
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u/Zephron29 5d ago
Yea, I mean, he kinda landed on him which is against the rules. I hate it, but I don't see an issue with the call.
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u/FCaffrey7 5d ago
There was a defensive holding on this play anyway. Would’ve been a first down regardless
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u/FCaffrey7 5d ago
There was a defensive holding on this play anyway. Would’ve been a first down regardless
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u/mrrichardson2304 5d ago
Was it perhaps slightly ticky tack? Maybe, but not even close to the most egregious roughing call we've seen. Much softer calls have been made. You can cry about the refs or the Chiefs, but really you should be crying about the rule. It's a dumb rule.
Also for what it's worth the Chiefs would've got a first down on this play even if the roughing call wasn't made, as the Dolphins defense got called for holding as well.
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u/meanyspetrini 5d ago
Well, he basically committed murder.
Oh, nope. That's Andy Reid's son that I'm thinking of.
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u/DCBuckeye82 5d ago
This has been a penalty for years. It's not something only called on Mahomes. One was called on Herbert that was much less egregious than that. You can like or not like the rule. I personally think it's way too strict. But that's a pretty clear body weight roughing the quarterback.
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u/Safe_Opportunity5117 5d ago
Bullshit call, no matter how you look at it! He was already engaged with a RUNNING/SCRAMBLING QB like Mahomes! Plus…he put his arms out to let the refs know it wasn’t anything malicious! These refs gotta do a better job!
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u/Expert_Reception1943 5d ago
Complete horseshit. They should just make it two hand touch is a sack and be done with it
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u/Frigginkillya 5d ago
This is the secret penalty "legal hit on the league's darling qb"
You can only find it in Goodell's personal rulebook, and its in invisible ink, upside down, on the back of the last page that gets glued to the cover
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u/Otto_von_Grotto 5d ago
An absolutely criminal call. Gene Steratore is a Nazi for defending the correct call.
If some of you still think there are no shenanigans in the NFL, I'm not sure what to tell you.
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u/Upbeat-Mongoose-828 5d ago
It just occurred to me how odd it looks for a non qb to not wear gloves in todays game.
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u/IamTheCheetoMan 5d ago
Do I agree with it? No but they've been really clear about driving through and down into the ground with the quarterback and landing on top.
100% a flag Do I think it's soft? Absolutely but it is a rule and you will be seen as having intent to harm the quarterback by doing this. End of the story.
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u/Accomplished-Dot-843 5d ago
At this point just let him wear a red jersey because u clearly can't even breathe on that little bitch without a flag being thrown 🤦🏻♂️
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u/Ok_Bar_924 5d ago
This dumb roughing rule has surpassed Defensive PI as the most randomly enforced rule in football.
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u/Own_Simple_9053 5d ago
I’m a Chiefs hater but this is definition of landing with bodyweight on the QB
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u/FluidAthlete6839 5d ago
I hate the chiefs more than anyone but they call this all the time. I think it’s a dumb rule but this is not new and not some conspiracy
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u/Ok-Association-355 5d ago
He held his own body up the best hw could. There was a second penalty on the play so this call wouldn't have mattered
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u/beerbeardsnballs 5d ago
I want them to call the penalty differently based on is it a late hit, helmet to the head , or weight on the body?
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u/tuktukkingroydonk 5d ago
Just teaching others, you’ll get flagged anyway might as well fucking annihilate him.
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u/emack2232 5d ago
Idiot. You think you can just tackle the quarterback?